Also, people seem to be focused on how crazy and psychotic Kenny is. Did they notice Jane actually thanks Clementine for kicking that family… more out? If she was sooo pure, she would reprimand Clementine for her actions.
Beating a guy who lies about you stealing him and shoots a child is terrible. Kicking a kid starving to death out of your place is totally okay.
Kenny-hatets logic.
Jane is as crazy as he is. Shooting Troy's balls and leaving him to be devoured by thousands of walkers was utterly unnecesary. That's pragmatism? No, lol.
Kenny killing Larry is pragmatism. See, I do admit that what he did to Carver was a bit over the line.
If you pay attention it's implied that Troy is a sexual predator. It's obvious he's a sadist. Kenny had a laundry list of irrational behavior going back to season 1.
Jane is as crazy as he is. Shooting Troy's balls and leaving him to be devoured by thousands of walkers was utterly unnecesary. That's pragm… moreatism? No, lol.
Kenny killing Larry is pragmatism. See, I do admit that what he did to Carver was a bit over the line.
Except he wasn't. Jane deliberately did the one thing she knew for certain would make Kenny lose his shit. On purpose. Intentionally. By design. Premeditatively. Knowingly, by choice, calculatingly...
If you pay attention it's implied that Troy is a sexual predator. It's obvious he's a sadist. Kenny had a laundry list of irrational behavior going back to season 1.
Except he wasn't. Jane deliberately did the one thing she knew for certain would make Kenny lose his shit. On purpose. Intentionally. By design. Premeditatively. Knowingly, by choice, calculatingly...
I'm talking about his comments toward Clem and Sarah by the truck when they went to use the bathroom. Not to mention being a prison guard and using your authority to get sexual favors is predatory.
That's unused audio. In the game, it is only implied they had an arrangement.
Seemed rather simple to me:
* Troy was helping Jane get out of the pen in exchange for sex.
Unused audio does not count. Focus on what really happened.
Except he wasn't. Jane deliberately did the one thing she knew for certain would make Kenny lose his shit. On purpose. Intentionally. By design. Premeditatively. Knowingly, by choice, calculatingly...
I'm talking about his comments toward Clem and Sarah by the truck when they went to use the bathroom. Not to mention being a prison guard and using your authority to get sexual favors is predatory.
You don't understand the concept of group power dynamics, do you?
The difference between you and I is that I gave Kenny plenty of chances. I tried to reel him in from the beginning. You clearly never gave Jane a shot.
Why would you mix that up with Jane's situation?
Who doesn't realize he used his authority and power? Hell, it's not impossible thay he a… morectually came up with that idea and Jane still accepted.
Buuut, after what she did with Luke, I wouldn't be surprised if she made the offer.
Who does she abandoned actually? she left for a bit but she changed her mind and returned,just like what she did to Rebecca,you must've misread it as "killing your provocative friend" as it was Kenny who insult Jane as a selfish nobody in the first place which in fact are totally wrong,this just even prove further that ever since season 2 Kenny always fucks up every group he join,who cares what method she use if it's for the good of Clem's group,so yeah,best life lessons from the thoughtful Jane,none from wrathful Kenny.
She taught us the most valuable lessons, like abbandoning those in need, killing your provoked friends, using sex to get what you want, and constant care for #1. Great life lessons
You think you know me soo well, but you don't. I actually defended Jane throught the whole argument. (FAIL!) Until she decided to lie and manipulate me so she could take me all for herself.
You don't understand the concept of group power dynamics, do you?
The difference between you and I is that I gave Kenny plenty of chances. I tried to reel him in from the beginning. You clearly never gave Jane a shot.
You clearly never gave Jane a chance.
You think you know me soo well, but you don't. I actually defended Jane throught the whole arg… moreument. (FAIL!) Until she decided to lie and manipulate me so she could take me all for herself.
You don't know a damn thing about me.
She proposes leaving Sarah.
And then she leaves her to be eaten alive.
Leaving pregnant woman is not justified no matter what.
Or every group fucks him up? He thought of the greater good and is ready to go against anyone opposing the good of Clem and AJ.
The others were selfish as they have proven.
Who does she abandoned actually? she left for a bit but she changed her mind and returned,just like what she did to Rebecca,you must've misr… moreead it as "killing your provocative friend" as it was Kenny who insult Jane as a selfish nobody in the first place which in fact are totally wrong,this just even prove further that ever since season 2 Kenny always fucks up every group he join,who cares what method she use if it's for the good of Clem's group,so yeah,best life lessons from the thoughtful Jane,none from wrathful Kenny.
Dude, you've been saying he's a crazy maniac that you were happy to kill for half an hour.
These comebacks of yours.. they... Just forget it, pal. Great comeback! You're making a lot of sense here.
You replied to him, but I'm gonna respond anyway.
Weird. I never saw that.
I did see Jane suffering like a beaten pig, though. Asking … morefor help cause' she couldn't end what she started in the first place. Aw, poor Jane. At least she's with Luke now and me and Kenny walked right into the sunset. Everyone is happy.
That's not what you've implied to far. If that was the case, you wouldn't be so passionate about ending Kenny because you know he's not evil at heart. You've expressed hate, blood thirst, and all kinds of despicable thoughts.
If you really don't see him as evil, go and take some english classes for free at high school. Your wording is way off the mark.
When will people accept other people's point of view on this whole situation... You can't say one or the other is right because Telltale can always write it how they want to see it. This is what they want to happen smdh...
Not long enough to really like and know her, but that's a problem of the whole season for me, there aren't enough characters I really liked, unlike season 1. Bonnie even might be the best of them. The only one we know for long is Kenny and I don't like him since the Larry scene. If they only hadn't killed off Omid and Christ so fast....
That's not what you've implied to far. If that was the case, you wouldn't be so passionate about ending Kenny because you know he's not evil… more at heart. You've expressed hate, blood thirst, and all kinds of despicable thoughts.
If you really don't see him as evil, go and take some english classes for free at high school. Your wording is way off the mark.
Because the situation is the same like her own sister,Sarah simply don't have the will to survive at the trailer park,Jane will help Sarah at the museum all she could if you tell her to,but the scenario says Sarah should die anyway.
She already told Rebecca that she'll be fine if she just walk slowly,and she's with clem,not alone,but Rebecca's still too afraid to move,which later Jane use a technique that can be learned by clementine.
No,Kenny just keep insisting that his idea is the best and ignored anyone suggestion,which causing Mike & Bonnie betrayal,now that you mention "the good of AJ" you'll actually found a supply of baby formula if you go to Howe's with Jane,compared with other option where there's no chance to find proper food for AJ,going with Jane is the best option.
She proposes leaving Sarah.
And then she leaves her to be eaten alive.
Leaving pregnant woman is not justified no matter what.
Or eve… morery group fucks him up? He thought of the greater good and is ready to go against anyone opposing the good of Clem and AJ.
The others were selfish as they have proven.
I've never denied how I feel about Jane after she manipulated me, though. If anything, at least I'm honest. That automatically puts me above mediocracy an all levels. What about you?
You see the thing is, I've provided clear examples to justify why Jane isn't as pragmatic as you think. Just a maniac like Kenny. You only keep repeating "Kenny is crazy and I want his head on my dinner table, but he's not crazy!"
Come back a bit later, okay? Maybe you'll have new ideas by then.
Shooting Troy was pragmatic. He caught them by surprise and she maneuvered herself into a position where she could shoot him.
One instance does not change the entirety of her character.
However, Kenny was in constant conflict with everyone around him - starting with Lily, Lee, Ben, and Chuck in season one to Clem, Mike, Bonnie, Luke and Jane in season two.
Jane shot one man through the balls - a person we all know deserved it.
On a scale she is far more pragmatic than Kenny ever was. She was far more agreeable than Kenny ever was. Kenny was a wedge to whatever group he was in. Everything he touched turned to shit.
I've never denied how I feel about Jane after she manipulated me, though. If anything, at least I'm honest. That automatically puts me above… more mediocracy an all levels. What about you?
You see the thing is, I've provided clear examples to justify why Jane isn't as pragmatic as you think. Just a maniac like Kenny. You only keep repeating "Kenny is crazy and I want his head on my dinner table, but he's not crazy!"
Come back a bit later, okay? Maybe you'll have new ideas by then.
Yet will scream, and call out for Clem in disbelief after being left.
Ben too in belltower wanted you to drop him, but if you do he screams and calls for help
Because it is. And Mike and Bonnie didnt go because of Kenny, if they were they wouldnt take all the supplies and the car, and not invite others. They sentenced everyone to death.
Found a supply of formula? A single can is a supply? With no means to get more since Carver hoarded everything and his place got looted?
Nice, thats a safe place certainly.
They found proper food, he survived for 9 days. And he got them to Wellington where there is no such problem at all.
Because the situation is the same like her own sister,Sarah simply don't have the will to survive at the trailer park,Jane will help Sarah a… moret the museum all she could if you tell her to,but the scenario says Sarah should die anyway.
She already told Rebecca that she'll be fine if she just walk slowly,and she's with clem,not alone,but Rebecca's still too afraid to move,which later Jane use a technique that can be learned by clementine.
No,Kenny just keep insisting that his idea is the best and ignored anyone suggestion,which causing Mike & Bonnie betrayal,now that you mention "the good of AJ" you'll actually found a supply of baby formula if you go to Howe's with Jane,compared with other option where there's no chance to find proper food for AJ,going with Jane is the best option.
And why are you trying to change this into a "Who had better reasons to be pragmatic" argument?
All the way until now you've acted as if Kenny is the biggest piece of shit ever and Jane had nothing but good intentions. Jane shooting Troy and the head would've been pragmatic. Making him suffer like that was wrong. Just like Kenny was wrong in putting everyone at risk for the sake of revenge.
Again, honesty is playing a huge role here. I'm admitting Kenny's mistakes. You're treating Jane like Queen Elizabeth.
Shooting Troy was pragmatic. He caught them by surprise and she maneuvered herself into a position where she could shoot him.
One instanc… moree does not change the entirety of her character.
However, Kenny was in constant conflict with everyone around him - starting with Lily, Lee, Ben, and Chuck in season one to Clem, Mike, Bonnie, Luke and Jane in season two.
Jane shot one man through the balls - a person we all know deserved it.
On a scale she is far more pragmatic than Kenny ever was. She was far more agreeable than Kenny ever was. Kenny was a wedge to whatever group he was in. Everything he touched turned to shit.
Bad analogy, Queen Elizabeth was brutal. I never said Jane didn't make mistakes. You're acting like I'm saying she was a saint - she's not. But by and large regardless of his good intentions Kenny was emotionally unstable, he drove the group apart with his behavior, and he ran out of chances with me at the truck argument. I tried to talk sense into him but if you don't agree with him he doesn't want to hear it.
And why are you trying to change this into a "Who had better reasons to be pragmatic" argument?
All the way until now you've acted as if … moreKenny is the biggest piece of shit ever and Jane had nothing but good intentions. Jane shooting Troy and the head would've been pragmatic. Making him suffer like that was wrong. Just like Kenny was wrong in putting everyone at risk for the sake of revenge.
Again, honesty is playing a huge role here. I'm admitting Kenny's mistakes. You're treating Jane like Queen Elizabeth.
And why are you trying to change this into a "Who had better reasons to be pragmatic" argument?
All the way until now you've acted as if … moreKenny is the biggest piece of shit ever and Jane had nothing but good intentions. Jane shooting Troy and the head would've been pragmatic. Making him suffer like that was wrong. Just like Kenny was wrong in putting everyone at risk for the sake of revenge.
Again, honesty is playing a huge role here. I'm admitting Kenny's mistakes. You're treating Jane like Queen Elizabeth.
So was Jane. If she really wanted what was best for everyone, she would've just stopped the fight and talked about it with Clementine later on. However, she wanted Kenny out of the picture. It was a selfish move on Jane's part. That makes her crazier than Kenny on all levels.
Kenny said it himself:
"She wanted a fight. If she wanted it to stop she could've just said Alvie was okay."
Kenny is a maniac in an honest, sometimes protective way. Jane is a maniac in a "I'm lonely" way.
Bad analogy, Queen Elizabeth was brutal. I never said Jane didn't make mistakes. You're acting like I'm saying she was a saint - she's not. … moreBut by and large regardless of his good intentions Kenny was emotionally unstable, he drove the group apart with his behavior, and he ran out of chances with me at the truck argument. I tried to talk sense into him but if you don't agree with him he doesn't want to hear it.
So was Jane. If she really wanted what was best for everyone, she would've just stopped the fight and talked about it with Clementine later … moreon. However, she wanted Kenny out of the picture. It was a selfish move on Jane's part. That makes her crazier than Kenny on all levels.
Kenny said it himself:
"She wanted a fight. If she wanted it to stop she could've just said Alvie was okay."
Kenny is a maniac in an honest, sometimes protective way. Jane is a maniac in a "I'm lonely" way.
And that'a why Jane is selfish. She could've ended the fight at any moment, but she wanted Kenny dead. Why? Because she knew Clementine would most likely see right through her stupid plan and stick with the guy who would bash people's faces to protect her.
Jane used you. She didn't think you had the right to an opinion.
As I said before - Jane was slow on the draw. I wanted to handle the situation earlier. Kenny was like Lily - they had good intentions but were constantly on the verge of a sudden act of violence. It was smart to get rid of Kenny before Jane ended up like Carley/Doug with Lily. It was only a matter of time.
And that'a why Jane is selfish. She could've ended the fight at any moment, but she wanted Kenny dead. Why? Because she knew Clementine woul… mored most likely see right through her stupid plan and stick with the guy who would bash people's faces to protect her.
Jane used you. She didn't think you had the right to an opinion.
I don't agree with that. If they really hated each other so much, why not just let Clem decide for herself? Jane took that away from us. No one had to die. And, it was Jane who made the situation worse with the baby prank. Their argument was humorous at first.
"I spy with my little eye, an asshole! Your turn."
As I said before - Jane was slow on the draw. I wanted to handle the situation earlier. Kenny was like Lily - they had good intentions but w… moreere constantly on the verge of a sudden act of violence. It was smart to get rid of Kenny before Jane ended up like Carley/Doug with Lily. It was only a matter of time.
The argument didn't get really heated until Kenny put his hands on Jane. I would have been satisfied with turning the truck around and leaving him but I never got the option.
I don't agree with that. If they really hated each other so much, why not just let Clem decide for herself? Jane took that away from us. No … moreone had to die. And, it was Jane who made the situation worse with the baby prank. Their argument was humorous at first.
"I spy with my little eye, an asshole! Your turn."
"Grow up."
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She's pragmatic, not pure. Nobody's pure. Kenny was unstable and could be set off at the drop of a hat.
Jane is as crazy as he is. Shooting Troy's balls and leaving him to be devoured by thousands of walkers was utterly unnecesary. That's pragmatism? No, lol.
Kenny killing Larry is pragmatism. See, I do admit that what he did to Carver was a bit over the line.
If you pay attention it's implied that Troy is a sexual predator. It's obvious he's a sadist. Kenny had a laundry list of irrational behavior going back to season 1.
Except he wasn't. Jane deliberately did the one thing she knew for certain would make Kenny lose his shit. On purpose. Intentionally. By design. Premeditatively. Knowingly, by choice, calculatingly...
That's unused audio. In the game, it is only implied they had an arrangement.
Seemed rather simple to me:
Unused audio does not count. Focus on what really happened.
But... B-but.. Kenny is evil. ;-;
I'm talking about his comments toward Clem and Sarah by the truck when they went to use the bathroom. Not to mention being a prison guard and using your authority to get sexual favors is predatory.
He was already set to lose his shit. It was only a matter of time. If she delayed she probably would have ended up like Carley/Doug.
I never said Kenny was evil, did I?
Why would you mix that up with Jane's situation?
Who doesn't realize he used his authority and power? Hell, it's not impossible thay he actually came up with that idea and Jane still accepted.
Buuut, after what she did with Luke, I wouldn't be surprised if she made the offer.
You don't understand the concept of group power dynamics, do you?
The difference between you and I is that I gave Kenny plenty of chances. I tried to reel him in from the beginning. You clearly never gave Jane a shot.
Who does she abandoned actually? she left for a bit but she changed her mind and returned,just like what she did to Rebecca,you must've misread it as "killing your provocative friend" as it was Kenny who insult Jane as a selfish nobody in the first place which in fact are totally wrong,this just even prove further that ever since season 2 Kenny always fucks up every group he join,who cares what method she use if it's for the good of Clem's group,so yeah,best life lessons from the thoughtful Jane,none from wrathful Kenny.
You think you know me soo well, but you don't. I actually defended Jane throught the whole argument. (FAIL!) Until she decided to lie and manipulate me so she could take me all for herself.
You don't know a damn thing about me.
You don't know a damn thing about me.
But you insist that I think Kenny is evil. FAIL.
She proposes leaving Sarah.
And then she leaves her to be eaten alive.
Leaving pregnant woman is not justified no matter what.
Or every group fucks him up? He thought of the greater good and is ready to go against anyone opposing the good of Clem and AJ.
The others were selfish as they have proven.
Dude, you've been saying he's a crazy maniac that you were happy to kill for half an hour.
These comebacks of yours.. they... Just forget it, pal. Great comeback! You're making a lot of sense here.
Not all maniacs are evil. Good people can be maniacs when they experience severe emotional trauma like Kenny, genius.
I didnt get that ending. Are you saying she asked for help when Kenny stabbed her?
It's before you make the decision. Kenny is about to stab her and she starts to beg for help.
I don't know about you but I didn't hesitate to shoot him so maybe you had to wait a little longer to hear it.
I feel sorry for the OP.
That's not what you've implied to far. If that was the case, you wouldn't be so passionate about ending Kenny because you know he's not evil at heart. You've expressed hate, blood thirst, and all kinds of despicable thoughts.
If you really don't see him as evil, go and take some english classes for free at high school. Your wording is way off the mark.
How do you know? I have to ask.
When will people accept other people's point of view on this whole situation... You can't say one or the other is right because Telltale can always write it how they want to see it. This is what they want to happen smdh...
Not long enough to really like and know her, but that's a problem of the whole season for me, there aren't enough characters I really liked, unlike season 1. Bonnie even might be the best of them. The only one we know for long is Kenny and I don't like him since the Larry scene. If they only hadn't killed off Omid and Christ so fast....
I was going to tell you the same thing.
Synonym - crazy.
Because the situation is the same like her own sister,Sarah simply don't have the will to survive at the trailer park,Jane will help Sarah at the museum all she could if you tell her to,but the scenario says Sarah should die anyway.
She already told Rebecca that she'll be fine if she just walk slowly,and she's with clem,not alone,but Rebecca's still too afraid to move,which later Jane use a technique that can be learned by clementine.
No,Kenny just keep insisting that his idea is the best and ignored anyone suggestion,which causing Mike & Bonnie betrayal,now that you mention "the good of AJ" you'll actually found a supply of baby formula if you go to Howe's with Jane,compared with other option where there's no chance to find proper food for AJ,going with Jane is the best option.
I've never denied how I feel about Jane after she manipulated me, though. If anything, at least I'm honest. That automatically puts me above mediocracy an all levels. What about you?
You see the thing is, I've provided clear examples to justify why Jane isn't as pragmatic as you think. Just a maniac like Kenny. You only keep repeating "Kenny is crazy and I want his head on my dinner table, but he's not crazy!"
Come back a bit later, okay? Maybe you'll have new ideas by then.
Shooting Troy was pragmatic. He caught them by surprise and she maneuvered herself into a position where she could shoot him.
One instance does not change the entirety of her character.
However, Kenny was in constant conflict with everyone around him - starting with Lily, Lee, Ben, and Chuck in season one to Clem, Mike, Bonnie, Luke and Jane in season two.
Jane shot one man through the balls - a person we all know deserved it.
On a scale she is far more pragmatic than Kenny ever was. She was far more agreeable than Kenny ever was. Kenny was a wedge to whatever group he was in. Everything he touched turned to shit.
Yet will scream, and call out for Clem in disbelief after being left.
Ben too in belltower wanted you to drop him, but if you do he screams and calls for help
Because it is. And Mike and Bonnie didnt go because of Kenny, if they were they wouldnt take all the supplies and the car, and not invite others. They sentenced everyone to death.
Found a supply of formula? A single can is a supply? With no means to get more since Carver hoarded everything and his place got looted?
Nice, thats a safe place certainly.
They found proper food, he survived for 9 days. And he got them to Wellington where there is no such problem at all.
And why are you trying to change this into a "Who had better reasons to be pragmatic" argument?
All the way until now you've acted as if Kenny is the biggest piece of shit ever and Jane had nothing but good intentions. Jane shooting Troy and the head would've been pragmatic. Making him suffer like that was wrong. Just like Kenny was wrong in putting everyone at risk for the sake of revenge.
Again, honesty is playing a huge role here. I'm admitting Kenny's mistakes. You're treating Jane like Queen Elizabeth.
Bad analogy, Queen Elizabeth was brutal. I never said Jane didn't make mistakes. You're acting like I'm saying she was a saint - she's not. But by and large regardless of his good intentions Kenny was emotionally unstable, he drove the group apart with his behavior, and he ran out of chances with me at the truck argument. I tried to talk sense into him but if you don't agree with him he doesn't want to hear it.
Wait... Elizabeth I or II?
So was Jane. If she really wanted what was best for everyone, she would've just stopped the fight and talked about it with Clementine later on. However, she wanted Kenny out of the picture. It was a selfish move on Jane's part. That makes her crazier than Kenny on all levels.
Kenny said it himself:
"She wanted a fight. If she wanted it to stop she could've just said Alvie was okay."
Kenny is a maniac in an honest, sometimes protective way. Jane is a maniac in a "I'm lonely" way.
Is that really a question?!? Nooo..
The conflict needed to be resolved. I agreed with her provocation of Kenny. I saw it as the smart play in the long run.
And that'a why Jane is selfish. She could've ended the fight at any moment, but she wanted Kenny dead. Why? Because she knew Clementine would most likely see right through her stupid plan and stick with the guy who would bash people's faces to protect her.
Jane used you. She didn't think you had the right to an opinion.
As I said before - Jane was slow on the draw. I wanted to handle the situation earlier. Kenny was like Lily - they had good intentions but were constantly on the verge of a sudden act of violence. It was smart to get rid of Kenny before Jane ended up like Carley/Doug with Lily. It was only a matter of time.
I don't agree with that. If they really hated each other so much, why not just let Clem decide for herself? Jane took that away from us. No one had to die. And, it was Jane who made the situation worse with the baby prank. Their argument was humorous at first.
"I spy with my little eye, an asshole! Your turn."
"Grow up."
The argument didn't get really heated until Kenny put his hands on Jane. I would have been satisfied with turning the truck around and leaving him but I never got the option.