I was expecting you to say that, but wrong. It did get heated, but after the accident, it seemed like they were getting ready to leave that behind. Kenny worries about Jane and she later says: "Kenny, I'm-" which I assumed was an "I'm sorry" before Kenny cuts her off. She messed everything up with the prank.
That would've been fine, but it's somewhat Jane's fault you didn't get that option. She didn't treat Clementine like an adult who can make her own decisions. She took it upon herself to do what she thought was right.
The argument didn't get really heated until Kenny put his hands on Jane. I would have been satisfied with turning the truck around and leaving him but I never got the option.
That's the point I've been trying to make all along. She's no better than Kenny and viceversa. You just make that decision based on how you feel about them.
I was expecting you to say that, but wrong. It did get heated, but after the accident, it seemed like they were getting ready to leave that … morebehind. Kenny worries about Jane and she later says: "Kenny, I'm-" which I assumed was an "I'm sorry" before Kenny cuts her off. She messed everything up with the prank.
That would've been fine, but it's somewhat Jane's fault you didn't get that option. She didn't treat Clementine like an adult who can make her own decisions. She took it upon herself to do what she thought was right.
She taught us the most valuable lessons, like abbandoning those in need, killing your provoked friends, using sex to get what you want, and constant care for #1. Great life lessons
That's the point I've been trying to make all along. Jane is no better than Kenny and viceversa. You just make that decision based on how you feel about them.
Jane made one unilateral decision vs Kenny's six that I can count off the top of my head. I played through the season a second time making decisions that were more agreeable to Kenny but in the end I couldn't see what everybody found so agreeable about him.
That's the point I've been trying to make all along. Jane is no better than Kenny and viceversa. You just make that decision based on how you feel about them.
Why have we been arguing for a damn hour?
Having sex with Luke at the wrong time. Determinantly causing Sarah's death.
Leaving the group knowing they needed her help. I personally don't hold this against her, but some peoppe do. I'm just gonna throw it in there.
Baby prank.
But, besides all of this, why are you counting who made more mistakes? We know they both have infinite flaws. It's just this one mistake that Jane made was way past the line. Even worse than having sex with Luke. I kinda understand how they would forget about walkers.
Jane made one unilateral decision vs Kenny's six that I can count off the top of my head. I played through the season a second time making d… moreecisions that were more agreeable to Kenny but in the end I couldn't see what everybody found so agreeable about him.
You have to take a few seconds instead of making the decision right away. She sounds like she knows the end is near. If you want a screenshot I'll post one.
You have to take a few seconds instead of making the decision right away. She sounds like she knows the end is near. If you want a screenshot I'll post one.
Not just one, though.
* Making Troy suffer.
* Having sex with Luke at the wrong time. Determinantly causing Sarah's death.
* Leav… moreing the group knowing they needed her help. I personally don't hold this against her, but some peoppe do. I'm just gonna throw it in there.
* Baby prank.
But, besides all of this, why are you counting who made more mistakes? We know they both have infinite flaws. It's just this one mistake that Jane made was way past the line. Even worse than having sex with Luke. I kinda understand how they would forget about walkers.
Having sex at that time was against the group's wishes. Everyone expressed their discontent later on. Kenny, Clementine, and Mike seemed to be really pissed off about it.
Taking off was against the group's wish as well, by that logic. Clem and Luke were against that.
* Having consensual sex with someone is a bilateral decision, not unilateral.
* She didn't make a decision for the whole group when she lef… moret. She wasn't even really a part of the group at that point.
I'm not counting mistakes, I'm counting how many times they've made group decisions against the wishes of the group.
I think its funny how everyone who went with Jane, is going to find out how psycho she truly is.
Let me ask you this Jane supporters. Someone brought this to my attention, and i thought it was a excellent point that shows how much of a nutjob she is. Now say you choose to wait at the gift shop, and spend a few days resting. Jane left the first day, are you expecting me to believe she would just show up when she heard gunshots, you would think she would be miles away, but she wasn't? Why? Because she is stalking the group, trying to steal Clementine. She is obsessed with Clementine, she has some sort of sister fantasy that she wants to make happen.
Kenny , yeah he is nuts, but he isn't as crazy as Jane. Kenny would sacrifice himself for someone he cared about, Jane wouldn't hesitate a moment to betray you if it was in her best interests.
They expressed disagreement after the fact. It's not like they discussed it and she did it anyway. I'll say again that it was a bilateral decision (she didn't make the decision on her own.)
She didn't force anyone to leave with her. She didn't make a choice on behalf of the group. I told her I understood when she informed me that she was leaving.
There's no way to say this without sounding condescending, I'm not trying to be, but I'm concerned that you don't know what a unilateral decision is.
Having sex at that time was against the group's wishes. Everyone expressed their discontent later on. Kenny, Clementine, and Mike seemed to … morebe really pissed off about it.
Taking off was against the group's wish as well, by that logic. Clem and Luke were against that.
Holy hell. Calm down, OP. You're acting like this whole website collectively jizzed in your cereal. Let them have their discussion. You weren't trying to make any discussion, anyway.
mike and co. might just distrust jane like all of you without any good reason, your clem seemed like you would immediately tell kenny about this and kenny would go all carver on them if they took the baby.
yes ,it is despicable to take all the supplies with them but there is no question about why they are leaving.
Yet will scream, and call out for Clem in disbelief after being left.
Ben too in belltower wanted you to drop him, but if you do he screams… more and calls for help
Because it is. And Mike and Bonnie didnt go because of Kenny, if they were they wouldnt take all the supplies and the car, and not invite others. They sentenced everyone to death.
Found a supply of formula? A single can is a supply? With no means to get more since Carver hoarded everything and his place got looted?
Nice, thats a safe place certainly.
They found proper food, he survived for 9 days. And he got them to Wellington where there is no such problem at all.
She proposes leaving Sarah.
And then she leaves her to be eaten alive.
Leaving pregnant woman is not justified no matter what.
Or eve… morery group fucks him up? He thought of the greater good and is ready to go against anyone opposing the good of Clem and AJ.
The others were selfish as they have proven.
What would be the point if nobody was supposed to discuss their conflicting views? This is a discussion board. I don't see the purpose of coming here if it would just be 100% everyone hugging each-other and agreeing everything about every episode is the best thing ever.
When will people accept other people's point of view on this whole situation... You can't say one or the other is right because Telltale can always write it how they want to see it. This is what they want to happen smdh...
Doesn't it mean you're doing something without taking others into consideration? Or, maybe even doing it despite them not liking it?
Jane knew for a fact people would be against that. Only an idiot wouldn't realize it.
So? A lot of people felt like Jane took off as soon as she saw the baby. Which she probably realized meant more weight on her back.
You seem to think a decision only becomes unilateral when people actually discuss it first. I see it as taking a decision that will cause discontent or is done without caring that much about others. Jane took off when it got rough.
* They expressed disagreement after the fact. It's not like they discussed it and she did it anyway. I'll say again that it was a bilateral … moredecision (she didn't make the decision on her own.)
* She didn't force anyone to leave with her. She didn't make a choice on behalf of the group. I told her I understood when she informed me that she was leaving.
There's no way to say this without sounding condescending, I'm not trying to be, but I'm concerned that you don't know what a unilateral decision is.
I think its funny how everyone who went with Jane, is going to find out how psycho she truly is.
Let me ask you this Jane supporters. Som… moreeone brought this to my attention, and i thought it was a excellent point that shows how much of a nutjob she is. Now say you choose to wait at the gift shop, and spend a few days resting. Jane left the first day, are you expecting me to believe she would just show up when she heard gunshots, you would think she would be miles away, but she wasn't? Why? Because she is stalking the group, trying to steal Clementine. She is obsessed with Clementine, she has some sort of sister fantasy that she wants to make happen.
Kenny , yeah he is nuts, but he isn't as crazy as Jane. Kenny would sacrifice himself for someone he cared about, Jane wouldn't hesitate a moment to betray you if it was in her best interests.
Doesn't it mean you're doing something without taking others into consideration? Or, maybe even doing it despite them not liking it?
Jane… more knew for a fact people would be against that. Only an idiot wouldn't realize it.
So? A lot of people felt like Jane took off as soon as she saw the baby. Which she probably realized meant more weight on her back.
You seem to think a decision only becomes unilateral when people actually discuss it first. I see it as taking a decision that will cause discontent or is done without caring that much about others. Jane took off when it got rough.
You're ignoring the fact that Jane made these decisions only thinking about herself, again. Good riddance. Just because you "understand" doesn't make it right. In my playthrough, she caused the death of a teenager with god knows what disability.
I don't want a goddamn discussion when I asked a simple question. I wanted to know an answer so I could make my own judgments, not have people assume shit about why I asked this and start rallying their Jane/Kenny troops. There are loads of better places or RESPECTFUL WAYS to take this crap, or better yet, you could respect Telltale's writing and decisions and acknowledge there's a multitude of reasons or ways for people to intake the scenes in this game or the characters instead of blatantly telling them they're wrong, and using dumb logical fallacies like slippery slopes or stacking evidence on one side.
A few examples of people assuming my question as 'taking sides' in this forum's flame war.
Travestron
I know what you're getting into,but I'll answer this.
Welcome_to_Woodbury
However, given the circumstances, that is not a valid argument as to why Kenny is "better", if that's what you're aiming at.
Web Head
ATLEAST KENNY DISPLAYED AND SHOWED 0 FUCKS WHEN CLEM FUCKING FELL IN THE FROZEN LAKE BUT JANE REACHED FOR HER AND HELD HER UP THEN CARRIED HER AWAY, when Jane was running towards the house with Clem on her arms Kenny was still standing there looking. ........................Anyways Kenny said it was the right choice when he got shot. Now that's a good riddance.
Awesomeo
It's not the only reason to why I didn't save her,
Holy hell. Calm down, OP. You're acting like this whole website collectively jizzed in your cereal. Let them have their discussion. You weren't trying to make any discussion, anyway.
Exactly, what kind of person wouldn't go berserk to the person responsible of the death of a baby he has been left with, after losing your son and your wife and your new girlfriend?
That's BS, she gave the man the motive he needed to go berserk, she killed a motherfucking baby and no one would react differently in his mental state.
Shooting a guy's dick off during the ZA is a very dick move (pun intended) and very sadistic, I guess that's just one of the points you may have against her...
I think that was definitely the point, and why it had to be Jane vs. Kenny rather than Luke vs. Kenny.
Kenny was the person we'd known the longest, while Jane was the one we'd just met. Had it been Luke, everybody would have shot Kenny, just because of the way the choice was framed.
Exactly, what kind of person wouldn't go berserk to the person responsible of the death of a baby he has been left with, after losing your son and your wife and your new girlfriend?
I think its funny how everyone who went with Jane, is going to find out how psycho she truly is.
Let me ask you this Jane supporters. Som… moreeone brought this to my attention, and i thought it was a excellent point that shows how much of a nutjob she is. Now say you choose to wait at the gift shop, and spend a few days resting. Jane left the first day, are you expecting me to believe she would just show up when she heard gunshots, you would think she would be miles away, but she wasn't? Why? Because she is stalking the group, trying to steal Clementine. She is obsessed with Clementine, she has some sort of sister fantasy that she wants to make happen.
Kenny , yeah he is nuts, but he isn't as crazy as Jane. Kenny would sacrifice himself for someone he cared about, Jane wouldn't hesitate a moment to betray you if it was in her best interests.
I think its funny how everyone who went with Jane, is going to find out how psycho she truly is.
Let me ask you this Jane supporters. Som… moreeone brought this to my attention, and i thought it was a excellent point that shows how much of a nutjob she is. Now say you choose to wait at the gift shop, and spend a few days resting. Jane left the first day, are you expecting me to believe she would just show up when she heard gunshots, you would think she would be miles away, but she wasn't? Why? Because she is stalking the group, trying to steal Clementine. She is obsessed with Clementine, she has some sort of sister fantasy that she wants to make happen.
Kenny , yeah he is nuts, but he isn't as crazy as Jane. Kenny would sacrifice himself for someone he cared about, Jane wouldn't hesitate a moment to betray you if it was in her best interests.
Well, it's gets pretty ugly when people start acting a little snobbish and arrogant, when they start spouting "this choice is the right choice" and "this ending is the right ending." and "everyone who disagrees is an idiot, because I'm RIGHT."
What would be the point if nobody was supposed to discuss their conflicting views? This is a discussion board. I don't see the purpose of co… moreming here if it would just be 100% everyone hugging each-other and agreeing everything about every episode is the best thing ever.
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I was expecting you to say that, but wrong. It did get heated, but after the accident, it seemed like they were getting ready to leave that behind. Kenny worries about Jane and she later says: "Kenny, I'm-" which I assumed was an "I'm sorry" before Kenny cuts her off. She messed everything up with the prank.
That would've been fine, but it's somewhat Jane's fault you didn't get that option. She didn't treat Clementine like an adult who can make her own decisions. She took it upon herself to do what she thought was right.
Why the fuck did this turn into a kenny vs jane war again?
That's the point I've been trying to make all along. She's no better than Kenny and viceversa. You just make that decision based on how you feel about them.
Why have we been arguing for an hour?
Yeah, she took a page out of Kenny's playbook on that one. One unilateral decision.
How long did we know Jane? Not very long. Yet, she did more for Clem than Kenny did the entire time he knew her.
you have learned nothing.
abandoning those you can not help.
seeing a persons true colours and putting rapid animals out of their misery.
distract your opponents.
great life lessons, indeed.
That's the point I've been trying to make all along. Jane is no better than Kenny and viceversa. You just make that decision based on how you feel about them.
Why have we been arguing for a damn hour?
Oh please, you knew exactly what you were doing. How could you not? So don't go trying to spank the posters for turning this into Kenny vs. Jane.
Jane made one unilateral decision vs Kenny's six that I can count off the top of my head. I played through the season a second time making decisions that were more agreeable to Kenny but in the end I couldn't see what everybody found so agreeable about him.
Not just one, though.
Making Troy suffer.
Having sex with Luke at the wrong time. Determinantly causing Sarah's death.
Leaving the group knowing they needed her help. I personally don't hold this against her, but some peoppe do. I'm just gonna throw it in there.
Baby prank.
But, besides all of this, why are you counting who made more mistakes? We know they both have infinite flaws. It's just this one mistake that Jane made was way past the line. Even worse than having sex with Luke. I kinda understand how they would forget about walkers.
Hmm, maybe. I dont remember Jane saying anything but I shot Kenny before he could stab her.
You have to take a few seconds instead of making the decision right away. She sounds like she knows the end is near. If you want a screenshot I'll post one.
Nah, thats okay. I plan to replay it at least once more and I watch videos.
I'm not counting mistakes, I'm counting how many times they've made group decisions against the wishes of the group.
Having sex at that time was against the group's wishes. Everyone expressed their discontent later on. Kenny, Clementine, and Mike seemed to be really pissed off about it.
Taking off was against the group's wish as well, by that logic. Clem and Luke were against that.
I think its funny how everyone who went with Jane, is going to find out how psycho she truly is.
Let me ask you this Jane supporters. Someone brought this to my attention, and i thought it was a excellent point that shows how much of a nutjob she is. Now say you choose to wait at the gift shop, and spend a few days resting. Jane left the first day, are you expecting me to believe she would just show up when she heard gunshots, you would think she would be miles away, but she wasn't? Why? Because she is stalking the group, trying to steal Clementine. She is obsessed with Clementine, she has some sort of sister fantasy that she wants to make happen.
Kenny , yeah he is nuts, but he isn't as crazy as Jane. Kenny would sacrifice himself for someone he cared about, Jane wouldn't hesitate a moment to betray you if it was in her best interests.
There's no way to say this without sounding condescending, I'm not trying to be, but I'm concerned that you don't know what a unilateral decision is.
Holy hell. Calm down, OP. You're acting like this whole website collectively jizzed in your cereal. Let them have their discussion. You weren't trying to make any discussion, anyway.
mike and co. might just distrust jane like all of you without any good reason, your clem seemed like you would immediately tell kenny about this and kenny would go all carver on them if they took the baby.
yes ,it is despicable to take all the supplies with them but there is no question about why they are leaving.
you did not mention she almost jumps to her death trying to save sarah later.
What would be the point if nobody was supposed to discuss their conflicting views? This is a discussion board. I don't see the purpose of coming here if it would just be 100% everyone hugging each-other and agreeing everything about every episode is the best thing ever.
Doesn't it mean you're doing something without taking others into consideration? Or, maybe even doing it despite them not liking it?
Jane knew for a fact people would be against that. Only an idiot wouldn't realize it.
So? A lot of people felt like Jane took off as soon as she saw the baby. Which she probably realized meant more weight on her back.
You seem to think a decision only becomes unilateral when people actually discuss it first. I see it as taking a decision that will cause discontent or is done without caring that much about others. Jane took off when it got rough.
These pics : daily reminder that Kenny will never hesitate to put himself at mortal risk to save babies.
Unilateral - "Uni" prefix meaning 'one'. Lateral meaning 'side'.
You're ignoring the fact that Jane made these decisions only thinking about herself, again. Good riddance. Just because you "understand" doesn't make it right. In my playthrough, she caused the death of a teenager with god knows what disability.
I don't want a goddamn discussion when I asked a simple question. I wanted to know an answer so I could make my own judgments, not have people assume shit about why I asked this and start rallying their Jane/Kenny troops. There are loads of better places or RESPECTFUL WAYS to take this crap, or better yet, you could respect Telltale's writing and decisions and acknowledge there's a multitude of reasons or ways for people to intake the scenes in this game or the characters instead of blatantly telling them they're wrong, and using dumb logical fallacies like slippery slopes or stacking evidence on one side.
A few examples of people assuming my question as 'taking sides' in this forum's flame war.
Travestron
I know what you're getting into,but I'll answer this.
Welcome_to_Woodbury
However, given the circumstances, that is not a valid argument as to why Kenny is "better", if that's what you're aiming at.
Web Head
ATLEAST KENNY DISPLAYED AND SHOWED 0 FUCKS WHEN CLEM FUCKING FELL IN THE FROZEN LAKE BUT JANE REACHED FOR HER AND HELD HER UP THEN CARRIED HER AWAY, when Jane was running towards the house with Clem on her arms Kenny was still standing there looking. ........................Anyways Kenny said it was the right choice when he got shot. Now that's a good riddance.
Awesomeo
It's not the only reason to why I didn't save her,
Exactly, what kind of person wouldn't go berserk to the person responsible of the death of a baby he has been left with, after losing your son and your wife and your new girlfriend?
Shooting a guy's dick off during the ZA is a very dick move (pun intended) and very sadistic, I guess that's just one of the points you may have against her...
I wanted information. I knew the forums were volatile but not like this.
People who are triggered by this "You knew Jane how long ? A week at most? Just curious." are as paranoid as Lilly on a bad day.
I think that was definitely the point, and why it had to be Jane vs. Kenny rather than Luke vs. Kenny.
Kenny was the person we'd known the longest, while Jane was the one we'd just met. Had it been Luke, everybody would have shot Kenny, just because of the way the choice was framed.
This guy gets it.
but he refused to help me save Clementine so...
Jane wouldn't steal Clementine, but whatever. You can think what you want about her.
She formed a bond with Clementine. I dont think that means she's obsessed with her.
Ditto. I could never really forgive him for that.
Well, it's gets pretty ugly when people start acting a little snobbish and arrogant, when they start spouting "this choice is the right choice" and "this ending is the right ending." and "everyone who disagrees is an idiot, because I'm RIGHT."
Explain why she was there at the gunfight if you wait.
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I don't think that would be your first priority if you just lost your wife and son.