Seriously Arvo...?
Okay, I'm not sure how the rest of you played out Clem's relationship with Arvo, but I was as nice as could be. I didn't take the drugs, I apologized when we saw him again, and I defended him from Kenny repeatedly. The entire time he was giving me dirty looks and I couldn't understand why. I mean, I shot his sister but she had turned. Did he miss that, or something? And then the little shit just up and shot me after I gave Mike my weapon?! What the actual hell?!
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I think he still have the grudge of Clementine killing his sister which he was trying to revive but Kenny interrupted him. Kenny got angry at Clementine because she chopped off Sarita's arm.
I never trusted him. My instincts told me to shoot him on the spot after the dirty look he gave me after shooting his sister.
I don't think Arvo knew that his sister turned. So in the starting scene when Natasha turns, he probably thought she was conscious again and was crawling to try to get to safety, but then Clem shot her. He did only see what was happening from the corner of his eye. Here is a video of the Russian translations btw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJuqRUilhY&list=LLFa7NhkDMp8COt6_5D1_oLQ&index=2
I wanted to have the option to kill him during/after the gun fight...
You can't blame him for his actions, he's only human.
is there a way to not kill his dead sister?without dying of course
I agree...
Okay, so I'll just go attempt to murder someone and plead "not guilty" because I'm human. That makes sense.
No, I don't thinks so
I don't think so. She's already pretty much dead when the episode starts, and you only shoot her because she becomes a walker. If you didn't shoot her, you'd probably die.
It still doesn't make sense to me unless he was seriously disturbed. I mean, he warmed up to Mike and Mike was also partially responsible for the death of his sister and most of his people. Mike was actually shooting people, Clem wasn't. Same for Bonnie. And yet, after all that time I try to make amends with him, he chooses to shoot me and run away with the two people who were actually responsible for Natasha's death? Something just doesn't seem right.
I feel so bad for him. His "Noooo!" with tears going down his face... omg ;__;
ARVO is pre-programmed idiot who will always hate you because that is the intent of the writers....
You will be hated regardless.
I think everything went by so fast that he didn't know who was the one that shot his sister but he saw Clementine shoot her in the head. He also thought that she was still alive when they shot her. Maybe he saw a glimpse of his sister moving but is actually a walker that he didn't know.
I thought it was crap that he shot Clem too. It's obvious why he's sacred of and doesn't like Kenny, considering Kenny killed all the other Russians (probably Arvo's sister included) and the verbal and physical abuse. But why he'd also not like Clem wasn't shown well.
But like LeeForeverret said, maybe Arvo thought Natasha was alive when Clem shot her. Maybe he doesn't know that when you die you turn into a zombie even if you're not bit, so didn't even consider she'd zombified. I think I could forgive him his hardheld dislike and shooting of Clem then, if he seriously thought Clem gunned down his wounded sister.
I don't understand his motivations, but I still sympathize and like him and if given the chance in season three will continue to try to be nice to Arvo. Even with shooting Clem, the kid's still such a woobified character there's just no way I can hate him.
You're probably right.
Oh, and Kenny doesn't kill all the Russians. He killed one, at most two. Jane killed Vitali.
Why not? The guy was grieving sure, but you can't say that makes him blameless after his willingness to shoot an unarmed child.
True, Vitali probably would have died just from the stabbing. But since Kenny got the killing shot on Vitali... xD Clem certainly wasn't the only one to shoot Natasha. Though it obviously wasn't Mike or Bonnie who shot her or Arvo wouldn't have gone with them. According to the translation vid LeeForeverret posted Vitali accuses Kenny of killing Natasha so I think technically Kenny did shoot and kill all of them.
Now that I think about it, Arvo doesn't like Jane either. He probably would have shot her or refused to go with Bonnie/Mike if they'd invited Jane along. Not sure why else they wouldn't have offered Jane a spot in their getaway group, considering she was just as against Kenny running the show and beating Arvo to death as the others. Mike and Bonnie's reasons for hurting Clem are just as unknown as Arvo's.
Reminds me of when Kenny murdered Larry. Also, the bullet didn't kill Clementine.
He was an unarmed child, Kenny and Jane both bullied him from when he first appeared to when he last appeared and they both basically threatened to kill him.
Key words: "Attempt to murder" and Larry was already dead. Point invalid.
So that justifies hurting the only person who was decent to you? And you can't blame Kenny and Jane for being assholes. They're only human, remember?
Arvo was guilty of leading them into an ambush from the start. Either way, Clem can refuse to rob him, try to defend him from Kenny, and attempt to hand over her gun while she's being robbed. Arvo still proceeds to shoot her with an assault rifle and leave her to die.
My sympathy is limited.
No he wasn't. That is false information.
Larry was revivable. If you push on his chest enough times, he takes a breath. He doesn't take the breath if you don't push enouhg, yet the same time expends, so it's not zombification.
It wasn't murder, it was killing. But Larry WAS revivable, and Kenny waiting a little would have saved Lilly a hell of a lot of emotional trauma.
Didn't get to that point, apparently. I always put the poor bastard out of his misery. Even so, Kenny's always been kind of a moron. I wasn't even defending Kenny. He's murdered a good few people. My anger is strictly towards Arvo for shooting Clem. When someone has a decent example of Clem doing something similar to make me feel less compassionate towards her, then the "you can't fault him for murder" argument will make more sense to me.
At least Jane was thinking, Kenny was probably the main reason Arvo shot Clementine and Kenny performing such violence upon Arvo is what lead Mike and determinantly Bonnie out of the group.
You forget that Clementine always shows a liking towards Kenny, there is never really a time when we can accept who Kenny had become until the very end. Arvo shooting Clementine is quite similar to Lilly shooting Carley/Doug.
He didn't saw that Natasha turned so he thought Clem shot her just for the sake of it.
Okay so what if this happend to clem?
Clem tries to hide some supplies so she and Lee can escape from their crazy group. Two people come and threaten her and put her at gunpoint. They don't steal her supplies but they steal her gun and that is the only gun she has. Clem goes back to the group and tells them about this group who tried to steal their supplies and stole her gun. Her group goes to the other group and the gunfight starts. Lee gets shot by someone but Clementine tries to save him! She gets picked up by an old guy who puts her at gunpoint and orders the other team to surrender. Clem saw Lee trying to crawl back to safety but this little boy named Jon killed him! Clem gets mad at John. All of Clems group is dead and the other group takes Clem and this old women starts beating the crap out of clem because she nearly got them killed. Clem sees a frozen lake and wants the group to walk on it so she can escape! Then one of their members die and they blame Clem because she tried to escape. Two members of the group try to help Clem escape. So they try to escape at night but then she sees John behind her putting her at gunpoint. She remembers that John killed Lee so she shoots him out of anger and then escapes.
What Arvo did was understandable and I forgive him. Sure he shot Clem but Clem killed his sister and he didn't she was zombified. I forgive you Arvo, but please don't come back!
Replaying episode 5 now on a different save and I can't help but wonder about the rest of the group.
Kenny was giving him the Carver treatment which I didn't like, but the rest of the group seem strangely okay with Arvo. Seems strange after everything they've been though.
Please,make him appear at season 3.I wanna beat his ass with AJ.
Arvo doesn't know much about Clem's relationship with Kenny outside of her decision to potentially defend Arvo from him.
And Lilly's easier to analyze in my opinion. Her murder obviously wasn't justified, but we saw the clear progression of her grief and paranoia. When she shot someone out of mental instability, she believed that she was shooting a traitor. But depending on how you play, Arvo's reasoning was to shoot an eleven-year-old girl who didn't want to steal from him and was one of the only people to offer him sympathy.
The only reason Arvo really hated Clementine was because he never knew Natasha had turned, he though that she may have been revived and not become a Walker, it seems Kenny does a play a big role in how Arvo saw Clementine, for if Kenny hadn't stopped Arvo from trying to revive Natasha, he may have known that his sister was truly gone or he may have even been able to save her.
What type of person (Bonnie) would give a kid a cigarette? I lost a lot of respect for Bonnie after that. If she shows up in the future I want nothing to do with her at all. I won't even mention her and Mike trying to leave Clem and Kenny high and dry.
well it is the apocalpyse and your more likely to get your throat ripped out by zombies then die by cancer so i saw nothing wrong with the cigarette offer i still declined it though lol
bonnie was nice in my playthrough and i'm not mad at them for running because that situation happened so fast and clem looked pretty dead with that gunshot wound there was nothing anyone could do so everyone was in panic.
hope we get a dlc with mike bonnie and arvo really wanna see where the story goes for them
Bonnie was "nice" in your play-through and you had no problem with them running?? They were going to leave you with NOTHING...and probably for dead more or less. How naive can you be. Then you go on to say how your not mad at them because it happened so fast and there was nothing anyone could do? Wow. The guy who shot you was WITH Bonnie and Mike and had no real reason to do it in the first place except for shear revenge. What type of guy shoots a little girl to exact their personal revenge, a little girl who probably defended him most of the time by the way. Dude, what is wrong with you, for real lol. I don't see how anyone can remotely be ok with that lol. Wow.
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You sound like you would abandon Kenny and AJ.
damn right