Oh they say Kenny only killed Jane because she provoked him and she totally deserved it.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE actually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thng to Clem, you silly goose!
These idiots are only so invested because their favourite character has been kept alive for 9/10 episodes, more than twice as much as any other character except for Clementine.
They've grown used to being pandered to, and they can't handle it when a choice to not have Kenny is presented and most people don't choose it.
Yeah... Good luck trying to bully me on the internet. I'm not intimidated and I don't even respond to the stupid posts. A lot of them are … more"my only regret is I couldn't have been the one to kill Jane myself" at that point I wonder about Clem's safety with them in control. Whats going to happen if you ditch Wellington with Kenny at the end and he takes his next bout of rage out on Clem?
I imagine the excuse they'll give him will be hilarious.
Its actually quite amusing watching people take a video game so seriously. Good job to Telltale for getting people so invested like that.
LOL in the real world we call that victim blaming. We never say the victim deserved it for egging on someone with anger issues into killing them. Thats just like people in abusive relationships being told its probably their fault their spouse beat them. The victim even starts believing it.
Good point. They brought Kenny back which at first was fine but then way too much screen time was devoted to him. This season was more about Kenny than Season 1 was about Clem or Lee! My one big gripe with this season. It became all about Kenny. What does Kenny think of this? Because by proxy thats what Clem thought. The forced this confrontation with Jane at the end because its assumed you were too attached to Kenny. I would have left him in a heartbeat earlier because I could see he was losing it.
Oh they say Kenny only killed Jane because she provoked him and she totally deserved it.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE a… morectually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thng to Clem, you silly goose!
These idiots are only so invested because their favourite character has been kept alive for 9/10 episodes, more than twice as much as any other character except for Clementine.
They've grown used to being pandered to, and they can't handle it when a choice to not have Kenny is presented and most people don't choose it.
Its definitely a GREAT ending in my opinion, my favourite one in terms of closure but it is not the canon ending seeing as every ending is equally canon.
If they do that they will be taking a massive shit on storytelling.
Howes is 9-18 days from Wellington and who knows where solo Clem is heading. For 5 different story branches with varying circumstances to merge neatly together would not only be cheap, it would ruin Telltale Game's reputation of good writing. TWDG doesn't have good gameplay and the choices don't matter. Their most redeemable quality is writing. If they throw that out the window, they're finished.
People can deny it all they want but Clem's story is finished for now. The walking dead game doesn't revolve around Clem just like the comic doesn't revolve around Rick. It's about the survivors. Robert Kirkman has made it clear that even Rick can die and the comic will continue.
It's not as hard as many people think it is to pull off. The route Telltale will go to pull this off is most likely going to be this, in epi… moresode 1 of season 3 there will be a major event in each players beginning wherever they left off that will bridge all endings together and put everyone back on the same track again.
To be honest, I think the ending where Clementine is alone with AJ and heads back down south is the inevitable conclusion to the other 4 endings. Kenny and Jane will eventually die, Wellington may fall apart, and Clem may have to abandon Howe's Hardware after Randy becomes too domineering.
Regardless, I hope we leave her alone for a while. Let Season 3 focus on another character, and if Clem is to return just have her be a supporting character.
I honestly hope that there is no canon ending. I want Telltale to be able to flesh-out all the choices that you've made from ep. 5 in S3. Unless they decide to do from another character's perspective.
You're probably right, we'll see what they make of it. I'd like to see what happens next in my specific story, but it's fine if they decide to go a different path too. I'll play it either way.
I don't see this working unless it becomes a big budget, A-list game. I think TellTale bit off more than they could chew. They had to write … moreLuke, Bonnie, and Mike out of the story and your choices have no impact on them staying, yet I'm supposed to believe these 5 different endings will matter in the long run.
I ethier want a new story with a new protagonist or I actually want the endings to matter. Like of you went with Kenny he doesn't actually die in the first 10 minutes. Mass effect, dragon age, and the witcher did it so why can't walking dead.
I honestly hope that there is no canon ending. I want Telltale to be able to flesh-out all the choices that you've made from ep. 5 in S3. Unless they decide to do from another character's perspective.
Whatever ending you chose for your play through is your personal canon. However, I do believe that if you didn't end up in Wellington at the end of this season you will end up there with in the first 5-10 minutes of the first episode of season 2 because of some threat. And if you're already there then your game will start with you and the other Wellington residents having to deal with said threat.
My ending is with Jane and the family, and it is not a bad ending. It is my personal favorite out of all the possible endings. And everyone saying that one ending alone is Canon is wrong, all endings are canon depending on the players choice
I ethier want a new story with a new protagonist or I actually want the endings to matter. Like of you went with Kenny he doesn't actually die in the first 10 minutes. Mass effect, dragon age, and the witcher did it so why can't walking dead.
Doesn't killing Kenny make it worse for Clem? She knew Kenny longer and Kenny was always there for her (obviously not every second but you know what I mean), and she knows his struggles more than she'll ever know Jane's as she was there for all the major ones. I get it's the players' choice, but if we were to look at it from the Clem perspective then would she really be able to shoot Kenny on her own?
The other humans she attempted to kill were relatively villains in which she had not been around them for a long time and held little sympathy for when the time came (The Stranger from the last season if you had her shoot him, Lee but in the case he was bit so it was a completely different scenario, some random enemies here and there like Carver or the guy from the group attacking her and Christa). While Kenny was volatile during most of the last half of the second season, actually being able to kill him seems a bit too much. Regardless how grown-up she is for her age, she's still a little girl and watching a fight like that, especially between two people you rally care about, would be very traumatizing.
I'm not even arguing a Jane vs Kenny debate because that's more to opinion, but a "can she actually do it" problem. Another thing to add, not taking part makes Kenny the killer, but once you add in your choice, it's all your hands instead, making the result to be your fault rather than someone else's.
The goal since episode 1 was to get to Wellington. If you stay, ultimately that goal is accomplished.
The goal in season 1 was get a… more boat. So by your logic the canon ending of season 1 is getting a boat. Except that never happened. Before I finished the game and came back on the boards for all I knew Wellington was just boat 2.0... just another thing Kenny got obsessed about.
Jane was trying to trick Kenny into going berserk
yea... and that was so flippin hard to do. Just ask ANYONE WHO EVER DARED TO DISAGREE WITH HIM.
She came back, but proved it to be for her own selfish reasons
I cannot understand this. Wouldn't the selfish thing to just leave again? Wouldn't the selfish thing to just kill the kid and not have to pretend? How convenient that the baby was in a vehicle so close that you could easily hear it from where the fight took place. Its like she made sure the baby was found out no matter what… [view original content]
I agree with you. I was hoping to get one more season with clem but there's no telling with telltale. I will be pissed if they do something extrmely predictable like have us playing a 10 yr old Aj in season 3 lol. But someone mentioned something interesting on another website. Christa is still alive and we might end up playing her.
I really hope so. I want more Clem more than anything else! But they'll probably end her story here and give us a new cast and that will be the end of it. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.
For me no of them are canon endings because Luke's dead in all of them
Sorry, but I just really liked Luke and was surprised there was no Luke vs Kenny choice,
LOL in the real world we call that victim blaming. We never say the victim deserved it for egging on someone with anger issues into killing… more them. Thats just like people in abusive relationships being told its probably their fault their spouse beat them. The victim even starts believing it.
Good point. They brought Kenny back which at first was fine but then way too much screen time was devoted to him. This season was more about Kenny than Season 1 was about Clem or Lee! My one big gripe with this season. It became all about Kenny. What does Kenny think of this? Because by proxy thats what Clem thought. The forced this confrontation with Jane at the end because its assumed you were too attached to Kenny. I would have left him in a heartbeat earlier because I could see he was losing it.
I would say that the word "canon" isn't the best way to describe the "Stay at Wellington" ending, but "most-proper" would work better. The only ending that gives us a true closure to the Clementine character is the Wellington ending, because we don't need to know what happens to her after. We can safely agree with absolute certainty that she's safe, and that's all we should care about. All the other endings still has her surviving in the apocalypse, which leaves us guessing "what next?" With the Wellington ending, we don't need that curiosity because we know what happens after those gates close. She enters a society of good people, and lives her life as a kid once more.
Only have to focus on Clementine and AJ, no more picking sides.
Disadvantages:
No one has your back, no supplies, no destination, taking care of AJ alone.
Howe's with family:
Advantages:
More people to help rebuild, more people to take care of AJ, people that may prove useful, more people have your back, someone who knows how to survive.
Disadvantages:
Not that many food for 6 people, possible arguments may begin, you don't know who these people are or what they're capable of.
Howe's without family:
Advantages:
Someone has your back, most likely no arguments, someone who knows about survival, enough food for 3 people.
Disadvantages:
Need to watch your back and keep your eyes sharp just in case the family returns, possibly killing 3 people, may create a conflict.
Even the events where you get to kill Kenny or abandon him are painted in a way that struggles to paint him as a tragic hero, regardless of how logical or consistent that is with the rest of his actions in the episode. I'm guessing Telltale's writers were too in love with him to write him off without giving him so much dignity - too bad they didn't extend that courtesy to Sarah, or Nick, or Rebecca, or Carlos, or any of the new characters whom people had grown to love despite Telltale's attempts to make Kenny the deuteragonist.
Anyway, I'm tentatively glad that we may be rid of his presence. I was interested in The Walking Dead for its portrayal of minorities - a black father figure and a little black girl - as heroes, not because it had another angry white middle-aged working-class man (see the comparisons of Kenny to Joel or Rick) as its protagonist. Please let Christa be the next Season's protagonist!
LOL in the real world we call that victim blaming. We never say the victim deserved it for egging on someone with anger issues into killing… more them. Thats just like people in abusive relationships being told its probably their fault their spouse beat them. The victim even starts believing it.
Good point. They brought Kenny back which at first was fine but then way too much screen time was devoted to him. This season was more about Kenny than Season 1 was about Clem or Lee! My one big gripe with this season. It became all about Kenny. What does Kenny think of this? Because by proxy thats what Clem thought. The forced this confrontation with Jane at the end because its assumed you were too attached to Kenny. I would have left him in a heartbeat earlier because I could see he was losing it.
Alone:
Advantages:
Only have to focus on Clementine and AJ, no more picking sides.
Disadvantages:
No one has your back, no suppl… moreies, no destination, taking care of AJ alone.
Howe's with family:
Advantages:
More people to help rebuild, more people to take care of AJ, people that may prove useful, more people have your back, someone who knows how to survive.
Disadvantages:
Not that many food for 6 people, possible arguments may begin, you don't know who these people are or what they're capable of.
Howe's without family:
Advantages:
Someone has your back, most likely no arguments, someone who knows about survival, enough food for 3 people.
Disadvantages:
Need to watch your back and keep your eyes sharp just in case the family returns, possibly killing 3 people, may create a conflict.
Wellington:
Advantages:
Supplies, seemingly nice people, seemingly secure fortress, snow to slow Walkers down.
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As a psychology expert from books (and countless experiences in real life), 95% of this forum misunderstood, misinterpreted and erroneously continued on from the objective Jane was trying to explain.
As a psychology expert from books (and countless experiences in real life), 95% of this forum misunderstood, misinterpreted and erroneously continued on from the objective Jane was trying to explain.
Whatever ending you chose for your play through is your personal canon. However, I do believe that if you didn't end up in Wellington at the… more end of this season you will end up there with in the first 5-10 minutes of the first episode of season 2 because of some threat. And if you're already there then your game will start with you and the other Wellington residents having to deal with said threat.
To be honest, I think Wellington is the most dangerous ending since we don't actually know a single thing about it, other than it has Survivors and supplies.
As a psychology expert from books (and countless experiences in real life), 95% of this forum misunderstood, misinterpreted and erroneously continued on from the objective Jane was trying to explain.
And a really, really nice Edith that would give them twice the number of supplies if Clem decides to decline the offer to stay. We don't know much about the place itself, but we can make a safe assumption based around the one guarding the front gate.
To be honest, I think Wellington is the most dangerous ending since we don't actually know a single thing about it, other than it has Survivors and supplies.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE actually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thing to Clem.
First off how can someone "lose the baby" second Jane and Kenny's relationship is completely different than his and Clem's. Why play games with the man! It is the ZA and Jane leaves a baby unprotected. I don't care how level-headed you are, You don't do that!!! She wanted Clem all to herself, and I'm sure if the baby didn't cry she would have hurried herself out of there with Clem and not even have a second thought.
Oh they say Kenny only killed Jane because she provoked him and she totally deserved it.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE a… morectually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thng to Clem, you silly goose!
These idiots are only so invested because their favourite character has been kept alive for 9/10 episodes, more than twice as much as any other character except for Clementine.
They've grown used to being pandered to, and they can't handle it when a choice to not have Kenny is presented and most people don't choose it.
Lee's advice in Clementine's dream sequence is that you have to protect the people you care about, even if that means hurting someone else. This makes sense when you go with Jane to Howe's Warehouse and decline the family to enter.
Jane's advice in Episode 4 is that Clementine should go alone, which is an option in Episode 5.
I would say that the word "canon" isn't the best way to describe the "Stay at Wellington" ending, but "most-proper" would work better. The o… morenly ending that gives us a true closure to the Clementine character is the Wellington ending, because we don't need to know what happens to her after. We can safely agree with absolute certainty that she's safe, and that's all we should care about. All the other endings still has her surviving in the apocalypse, which leaves us guessing "what next?" With the Wellington ending, we don't need that curiosity because we know what happens after those gates close. She enters a society of good people, and lives her life as a kid once more.
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Oh they say Kenny only killed Jane because she provoked him and she totally deserved it.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE actually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thng to Clem, you silly goose!
These idiots are only so invested because their favourite character has been kept alive for 9/10 episodes, more than twice as much as any other character except for Clementine.
They've grown used to being pandered to, and they can't handle it when a choice to not have Kenny is presented and most people don't choose it.
LOL in the real world we call that victim blaming. We never say the victim deserved it for egging on someone with anger issues into killing them. Thats just like people in abusive relationships being told its probably their fault their spouse beat them. The victim even starts believing it.
Good point. They brought Kenny back which at first was fine but then way too much screen time was devoted to him. This season was more about Kenny than Season 1 was about Clem or Lee! My one big gripe with this season. It became all about Kenny. What does Kenny think of this? Because by proxy thats what Clem thought. The forced this confrontation with Jane at the end because its assumed you were too attached to Kenny. I would have left him in a heartbeat earlier because I could see he was losing it.
Its definitely a GREAT ending in my opinion, my favourite one in terms of closure but it is not the canon ending seeing as every ending is equally canon.
If they do that they will be taking a massive shit on storytelling.
Howes is 9-18 days from Wellington and who knows where solo Clem is heading. For 5 different story branches with varying circumstances to merge neatly together would not only be cheap, it would ruin Telltale Game's reputation of good writing. TWDG doesn't have good gameplay and the choices don't matter. Their most redeemable quality is writing. If they throw that out the window, they're finished.
People can deny it all they want but Clem's story is finished for now. The walking dead game doesn't revolve around Clem just like the comic doesn't revolve around Rick. It's about the survivors. Robert Kirkman has made it clear that even Rick can die and the comic will continue.
To be honest, I think the ending where Clementine is alone with AJ and heads back down south is the inevitable conclusion to the other 4 endings. Kenny and Jane will eventually die, Wellington may fall apart, and Clem may have to abandon Howe's Hardware after Randy becomes too domineering.
Regardless, I hope we leave her alone for a while. Let Season 3 focus on another character, and if Clem is to return just have her be a supporting character.
I honestly hope that there is no canon ending. I want Telltale to be able to flesh-out all the choices that you've made from ep. 5 in S3. Unless they decide to do from another character's perspective.
You're probably right, we'll see what they make of it. I'd like to see what happens next in my specific story, but it's fine if they decide to go a different path too. I'll play it either way.
I got this ending too and I thought it was a perfect ending. The other endings left a lot of loose ends, but this ending was series finale material.
It makes me nervous that Clem is sitting on a giant box of DYNAMITE.
I ethier want a new story with a new protagonist or I actually want the endings to matter. Like of you went with Kenny he doesn't actually die in the first 10 minutes. Mass effect, dragon age, and the witcher did it so why can't walking dead.
So long as this happens:
And you then you get to the gates of Wellington, it's canon.
She has no fear, as she knows the might of Kenny's Beard and Lee will protect her.
Whatever ending you chose for your play through is your personal canon. However, I do believe that if you didn't end up in Wellington at the end of this season you will end up there with in the first 5-10 minutes of the first episode of season 2 because of some threat. And if you're already there then your game will start with you and the other Wellington residents having to deal with said threat.
I don't hate Jane, but Kenny is God. :P
My ending is with Jane and the family, and it is not a bad ending. It is my personal favorite out of all the possible endings. And everyone saying that one ending alone is Canon is wrong, all endings are canon depending on the players choice
Exactly. They just have to put a lot of effort into it, which I know they can.
For me no of them are canon endings because Luke's dead in all of them
Sorry, but I just really liked Luke and was surprised there was no Luke vs Kenny choice,
Yes, It's unfortunate, but Jane had to pay the sinner's price.
And the only currency accepted is blood.
The canon ending is different for everyone, staying in Wellington is YOUR canon ending, this doesn't make it the best ending.
Doesn't killing Kenny make it worse for Clem? She knew Kenny longer and Kenny was always there for her (obviously not every second but you know what I mean), and she knows his struggles more than she'll ever know Jane's as she was there for all the major ones. I get it's the players' choice, but if we were to look at it from the Clem perspective then would she really be able to shoot Kenny on her own?
The other humans she attempted to kill were relatively villains in which she had not been around them for a long time and held little sympathy for when the time came (The Stranger from the last season if you had her shoot him, Lee but in the case he was bit so it was a completely different scenario, some random enemies here and there like Carver or the guy from the group attacking her and Christa). While Kenny was volatile during most of the last half of the second season, actually being able to kill him seems a bit too much. Regardless how grown-up she is for her age, she's still a little girl and watching a fight like that, especially between two people you rally care about, would be very traumatizing.
I'm not even arguing a Jane vs Kenny debate because that's more to opinion, but a "can she actually do it" problem. Another thing to add, not taking part makes Kenny the killer, but once you add in your choice, it's all your hands instead, making the result to be your fault rather than someone else's.
I agree with you. I was hoping to get one more season with clem but there's no telling with telltale. I will be pissed if they do something extrmely predictable like have us playing a 10 yr old Aj in season 3 lol. But someone mentioned something interesting on another website. Christa is still alive and we might end up playing her.
what the hell?
No way Kenny lives in my playthrough, if that happens TTG is just a bunch of Kenny ass-kissers.
no need to apologize. lol
agreed, I hope next season doesn't have Clementine in it, it's just too boring without Luke.
at least we get to choose if we want Kenny around, and of course the answe is NOOO!!!
Of course in the real world a lot of people blame the victim.
I would say that the word "canon" isn't the best way to describe the "Stay at Wellington" ending, but "most-proper" would work better. The only ending that gives us a true closure to the Clementine character is the Wellington ending, because we don't need to know what happens to her after. We can safely agree with absolute certainty that she's safe, and that's all we should care about. All the other endings still has her surviving in the apocalypse, which leaves us guessing "what next?" With the Wellington ending, we don't need that curiosity because we know what happens after those gates close. She enters a society of good people, and lives her life as a kid once more.
Alone:
Advantages:
Only have to focus on Clementine and AJ, no more picking sides.
Disadvantages:
No one has your back, no supplies, no destination, taking care of AJ alone.
Howe's with family:
Advantages:
More people to help rebuild, more people to take care of AJ, people that may prove useful, more people have your back, someone who knows how to survive.
Disadvantages:
Not that many food for 6 people, possible arguments may begin, you don't know who these people are or what they're capable of.
Howe's without family:
Advantages:
Someone has your back, most likely no arguments, someone who knows about survival, enough food for 3 people.
Disadvantages:
Need to watch your back and keep your eyes sharp just in case the family returns, possibly killing 3 people, may create a conflict.
Wellington:
Advantages:
Supplies, seemingly nice people, seemingly secure fortress, snow to slow Walkers down.
Disadvantages:
You don't know what lies beyond the gates or the secrets that may be buried there, really friggin cold, random strangers you know nothing about.
Leave with Kenny:
Advantages:
Someone has your back, someone knows how to take care of AJ, Walkers slow down in the cold, 2 bags of supplies.
Disadvantages:
May need to watch out for Kenny, constantly having to think about his eye AND AJ, fearing what he is capable of.
Even the events where you get to kill Kenny or abandon him are painted in a way that struggles to paint him as a tragic hero, regardless of how logical or consistent that is with the rest of his actions in the episode. I'm guessing Telltale's writers were too in love with him to write him off without giving him so much dignity - too bad they didn't extend that courtesy to Sarah, or Nick, or Rebecca, or Carlos, or any of the new characters whom people had grown to love despite Telltale's attempts to make Kenny the deuteragonist.
Anyway, I'm tentatively glad that we may be rid of his presence. I was interested in The Walking Dead for its portrayal of minorities - a black father figure and a little black girl - as heroes, not because it had another angry white middle-aged working-class man (see the comparisons of Kenny to Joel or Rick) as its protagonist. Please let Christa be the next Season's protagonist!
I think that in the end, Clementine and the baby will be alone again. "Nothing lasts forever," as she can tell Jane.
As a psychology expert from books (and countless experiences in real life), 95% of this forum misunderstood, misinterpreted and erroneously continued on from the objective Jane was trying to explain.
As an internet statistician, I can say that your percentage is 83.21% off.
*season 3
To be honest, I think Wellington is the most dangerous ending since we don't actually know a single thing about it, other than it has Survivors and supplies.
How they are gonna tie all 5 different endings? Timeskip
Please explain. I think I understand but I'm not sure.
And a really, really nice Edith that would give them twice the number of supplies if Clem decides to decline the offer to stay. We don't know much about the place itself, but we can make a safe assumption based around the one guarding the front gate.
Of course Kenny would NEVER attack clem if SHE actually lost the baby. Kenny would NEVER do a single mean thing to Clem.
First off how can someone "lose the baby" second Jane and Kenny's relationship is completely different than his and Clem's. Why play games with the man! It is the ZA and Jane leaves a baby unprotected. I don't care how level-headed you are, You don't do that!!! She wanted Clem all to herself, and I'm sure if the baby didn't cry she would have hurried herself out of there with Clem and not even have a second thought.
The Only cannon ending
Just kidding.
Lee's advice in Clementine's dream sequence is that you have to protect the people you care about, even if that means hurting someone else. This makes sense when you go with Jane to Howe's Warehouse and decline the family to enter.
Jane's advice in Episode 4 is that Clementine should go alone, which is an option in Episode 5.
I agree, people get a little offended when the word "canon" is used. I'm not trying to invalidate the other endings.
Your take on it is really refreshing. I did feel this was the best ending for Clem.
Remember Resident Evil's remake? Where you had ending A, B, C, etc.