Clem didn't murder Kenny. She killed him. Murder is when you kill someone with malice (not on accident, like manslaughter) who is not trying… more to kill you or anyone else (self defense).
When Jane put away the knife (and actually Kenny started the fight too), and Kenny attacked her with the intent to kill her, he was trying to murder her. He was enraged and therefore had an excuse for the murder. However, it's still murder.
Shooting Kenny (stopping Jane's murder) is morally better than being an accomplice to murder. It's the type of thing a police officer would do. It's right and lawful (not that there are laws in TWD).
Dude, Jane said it was accident but Kenny attacked her. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had no reason to think she killed a baby. During ZA bad things happen. Jane wanted to show that he's unstable. She was right. He tried to kill her with knife. Wanted to kill a girl who wasn't bad person. Agreeing with that is wrong.
Can people stop with this shit, like seriously.
No choice is definitely morally right. The Jane choice isn't, @LumpyBread, and the Kenny … morechoice isn't, @CaeserMartinez and @Itchy_Tasty.
No choice is 'best' either. It depends how you play #yourclem.
For me, I agree with the OP that for MY clem it's the best option. But others are perfectly free to disagree with me, and I'm not going to tell you that believing differently to me is wrong.
The right choice is the choice you made for YOUR Clementine, there is never a right or wrong, because in some peoples' eyes you make the right choices while in others' you make the wrong ones.
Neither the two choices were the best, in the Walking Dead the world is fucked up to the maximum extent possible, and Kenny was psychically deteriorated because of that.
Interestingly I would LIKE to see you in Kenny's place, di**head (JK). What would you do in that world he's in?
I loved the way Jane called Kenny a "ticking time bomb" despite the fact that everyone else went off first, Mike abandoned the group to escape with a man who almost got them all killed and Jane who hide a baby for a pointless reason. I mean if Jane had not of done stupid things like that to anger Kenny then things would have been alot better. Kenny's anger towards Arvo was justified.
I wonder what would of happened if the baby was dead. I mean she says do it and if you shoot him. If not he looks depressed and I wonder would he take Clem to safety or give up right then and there?
Kenny has manipulated Clementine.
You've ever been afraid of disagreeing with Kenny simply because of how he might react? That's one way … moreof manipulation.
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
You keep saying Jane abandoned her sister. But you do know she tried, right? Not like Kenny who leaves another person's kid to die after saving his own and having enough time to go back. Or the Kenny who leaves Lee to die, after, he disagrees with him.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is … [view original content]
Umm...you don't think the fact that Kenny accidentally calls Clem 'Duck' in episode 2 gives evidence for that?
Like seriously, that's really as clear as it gets.
How the fuck did a whole group of survivors cross that lake (earlier when there were no snow especially) without breaking the ice?? What about that fat russian dude? It could be telltale games being stupid or that Arvo was lying and was just going for a suicide route cus his life had no meaning any more.
Beating arvo was about survival...he couldn't trust this kid after what they have gone through.
Couldn't trust him? Arvo said he'd t… moreake them to the house they were staying at where they had food, and he took them to the house they were staying at where they had food. He walked through the ice just like everyone else, and just like his group must have crossed it earlier. Are you going to hold his hurrying up the pace when walkers showed up against him?
Besides, how was beating him up "thinking with his brain"? What did beating him up accomplish? If he wanted the kid dead, he should have killed him and be done with it. If he didn't trust him, then just don't follow his advice. If you don't want him around, set him free. It's not like he's going to get far without friends, guns, supplies and with a limp (so essentially, kill him). If anything, Kenny was the one being emotional, beating a kid up to feel better about a bad situation.
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Clem wasn't focusing on a dialog with the kid cus she was to busy thinking and watching the father. She was too busy at the moment
That's probably why we didn't have a dialog option
I like Patricia and her son, but the father seems off to me. I don't like how he treats his wife either. I guess I also thought the ending w… moreas anti-climactic. I didn't feel like Clem came a long way in her journey, and I don't understand her attitude with the kid in the end either. Maybe she's just afraid of getting close to him like with Sarah? It all seems somewhat hollow.
Even if i would say, "there is no best ending" I agree with u. I dont think Janes planned this from the beginning, but I thought killing jane is just wrong. It means that I agree with the stranger who almost killed the whole group because we accidently killed his family. It would mean that I had no problem with Lilly when she killed Carley, even IF carley really pushed her to that point. But I'm not okay with it. And I'm not okay with Kenny killing a women because he is mad. He was the first one who attacked. I hated Jane for what shes done, but I will not watch how somebody kill a person. Even if the Killer is one of my best friends. And it hurts. It still hurts. And I will be mad at jane forever, but I stay to may choice and imo it was the right choice.
Just gonna leave this here (one of my posts, but I feel like you need to realize this ):
Let's see what REALLY happened.
Clem arrives … morewithout the baby, making Kenny be worried sick about it because it's with Jane, which is justified as we later will see.
Then Jane arrives, also without the baby. Fine. What? Definitley NOT fine!
What could possibly have happened for the baby to die, other than her killing it? AJ was alive after the car crash and when they ran away. It would be very unlikely that a walker got it if Jane doesn't abandon it.
Then there's a blizzard in which the walkers literally freeze, they can't do shit. How would the baby die? It wouldn't freeze in the 10-15 minutes it probably took Jane to carry it through a blizzard, with her giving holding it warm with her body.
She literally arrives with no reason as to why the baby is gone. She just implies heavily that it died, which there is no real explanation for oth… [view original content]
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
First of all, the reason he says "I won't be left alone again; is because he's talking about his love life. He lost his wife, and then his girlfriend so that's what he is referring too. I think anybody would have called Clem a stupid fucking kid if she just caused the death of my girlfriend. If anything Kenny just lashing out was because he cares for Clem if he didn't care, he probably would have hurt her.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is one relatively quick violent outburst, and Clementine is gone forever. But it's ok, because Kenny is sowwy, remember?
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't get the part in episode 5 were Kenny talks about EVERYTHING that's happened in season 2? He talks about how he misses his family and how he was wrong to act like he did. Basically at that point he wouldn't get mad a Clem at all, even to go on where if you SHOOT him hes says she made the right choice.
Jane might've lied, but she played it perfectly. She didn't want to fight Kenny. She said she didn't kill him, it was an accident. Jane knew he would overreact. I knew it too, after Sarita. Jane's by far the better choice. And most people hang on to Kenny over some blind loyalty and gross facial hair.
Jane perfectly knew well that she was going to fight Kenny by hiding the baby, either that or shes a freaking Idiot. In my opinion reaching the place we tried so hard to get too where Everyone we knew is now dead because of it is a lot better than going back to Howes just waiting for another shit storm to happen. And you can't say Wellington is bad, we have no idea and plus and "myth" of it was hanging around for quite sometime and its lasted this long so it should be a good temporary home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaWzLZbleo
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Kenny has manipulated Clementine.
You've ever been afraid of disagreeing with Kenny simply because of how he might react? That's one way … moreof manipulation.
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
You keep saying Jane abandoned her sister. But you do know she tried, right? Not like Kenny who leaves another person's kid to die after saving his own and having enough time to go back. Or the Kenny who leaves Lee to die, after, he disagrees with him.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is … [view original content]
It was the house he was heading for, unless you think he miraculously found a random house with supplies while trying to get them lost in the wilderness. Having that been established, the only person who had trouble crossing was Luke. Maybe he stepped on an area no one in Arvo's group had used, or maybe Arvo's group crossed one at a time instead of everyone at once. The fact is, Arvo's group managed to cross the ice, and everyone but Luke managed to cross the ice.
Ice is treacherous. Ice that was safe one day may not be safe the next. Blaming him because one person couldn't make it (and he might have made it anyway if Bonnie didn't crawl over to "help") makes no sense. And it still doesn't justify beating him. Beating him served no purpose except making Kenny feel better, and splintering the group.
How the fuck did a whole group of survivors cross that lake (earlier when there were no snow especially) without breaking the ice?? What abo… moreut that fat russian dude? It could be telltale games being stupid or that Arvo was lying and was just going for a suicide route cus his life had no meaning any more.
Anyone who would've called Clementine a stupid fucking kid is obviously missing some screws.
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't get the part in episode 5 were Kenny talks about EVERYTHING that's happened in season 2? I value actions more than words. The stage with Kenny is like an abusive relationship cycle..
She knew exactly what she was doing. You're right. It happened with Clementine. Kenny would overreact and try to rip your head off. I saw it once, didn't need to see it again. You do realize that if Kenny would've done something ELSE rather than try to kill Jane, he would've gotten MUCH more support?
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Ke… morenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
First of all, the reason he says "I won't be left alone again; is because he's talking about his love life. He lost his wife, and then his girlfriend so that's what he is referring too. I think anybody would have called Clem a stupid fucking kid if she just caused the death of my girlfriend. If anything Kenny just lashing out was because he cares for Clem if he didn't care, he probably would have hurt her.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it take… [view original content]
The problem I have with Jane is that she tries to make Clem do horrible things, she tries to make her become just like herself. Remember in episode 4 when she tries to convince you that you should leave Sarah ? And in episode 5, when you're just with her in the car she tries to convince you to leave and abandon Kenny, just like that. She can potentially make you kill someone that is close to Clem (even if your Clem doesn't like Kenny, they still have been through a lot together), she lies to Clem about the baby. And finally, if you end up with her back at Carver's place she encourages you to not let the family in. Clem has the potential to become a very cold and unfriendly person if she stays with Jane, if she always listens to what Jane tells her to do, I'm afraid that she might end up losing her humanity at some point.
I really liked Jane and loved the friendship she was starting to build with Clem, she was like a big sister. I was happy to see her come back, I was nice to her throughout the entire episode and I wasn't too sure about following Kenny. But I felt completely betrayed when she lied about the baby to make Kenny mad, I thought it was stupid and I couldn't forgive her after what she tried to do, so I didn't shoot Kenny and I left with him in the end. But I still think that the ending with Jane is very interesting, it's just not what I want for my Clem.
This is definitely an END GAME statement.
I don't know if jane lovers priorities are: baby's safety or keep pressing Kenny's hot button?
I know for fact that jane supporters will put Kenny's temper first before baby's safety...
Just gonna leave this here (one of my posts, but I feel like you need to realize this ):
Let's see what REALLY happened.
Clem arrives … morewithout the baby, making Kenny be worried sick about it because it's with Jane, which is justified as we later will see.
Then Jane arrives, also without the baby. Fine. What? Definitley NOT fine!
What could possibly have happened for the baby to die, other than her killing it? AJ was alive after the car crash and when they ran away. It would be very unlikely that a walker got it if Jane doesn't abandon it.
Then there's a blizzard in which the walkers literally freeze, they can't do shit. How would the baby die? It wouldn't freeze in the 10-15 minutes it probably took Jane to carry it through a blizzard, with her giving holding it warm with her body.
She literally arrives with no reason as to why the baby is gone. She just implies heavily that it died, which there is no real explanation for oth… [view original content]
Yeah, Kenny would have gotten more support.. Absolutely. Only reason I am against Jane really is I never liked her. And with the "Stupid Fucking Kid" thing, it was just more in the situation thing, but Clem is not stupid. Honestly who is thinking straight in that kind of situation?
Anyone who would've called Clementine a stupid fucking kid is obviously missing some screws.
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't get the part in … moreepisode 5 were Kenny talks about EVERYTHING that's happened in season 2? I value actions more than words. The stage with Kenny is like an abusive relationship cycle..
She knew exactly what she was doing. You're right. It happened with Clementine. Kenny would overreact and try to rip your head off. I saw it once, didn't need to see it again. You do realize that if Kenny would've done something ELSE rather than try to kill Jane, he would've gotten MUCH more support?
Kenny has manipulated Clementine.
You've ever been afraid of disagreeing with Kenny simply because of how he might react? That's one way … moreof manipulation.
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
You keep saying Jane abandoned her sister. But you do know she tried, right? Not like Kenny who leaves another person's kid to die after saving his own and having enough time to go back. Or the Kenny who leaves Lee to die, after, he disagrees with him.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is … [view original content]
Kenny wasn't close to Clementine in everyones game. For example, I liked him but my Clem could see he was going insane, and that it was better to be with Jane.
says Jane is using Clem as a replacement for Jamie Doesn't mention the fact that the bearded hero himself used Sarita as a Kat replacement, and Aj and Clem as replacements for Duck.
Just gonna leave this here (one of my posts, but I feel like you need to realize this ):
Let's see what REALLY happened.
Clem arrives … morewithout the baby, making Kenny be worried sick about it because it's with Jane, which is justified as we later will see.
Then Jane arrives, also without the baby. Fine. What? Definitley NOT fine!
What could possibly have happened for the baby to die, other than her killing it? AJ was alive after the car crash and when they ran away. It would be very unlikely that a walker got it if Jane doesn't abandon it.
Then there's a blizzard in which the walkers literally freeze, they can't do shit. How would the baby die? It wouldn't freeze in the 10-15 minutes it probably took Jane to carry it through a blizzard, with her giving holding it warm with her body.
She literally arrives with no reason as to why the baby is gone. She just implies heavily that it died, which there is no real explanation for oth… [view original content]
says Jane is using Clem as a replacement for Jamie
Doesn't mention the fact that the bearded hero himself used Sarita as a Kat replacement, and Aj and Clem as replacements for Duck.
I agree. It is made clear that Kenny is clearing loosing it. A number of characters point this out at one time or another. However, Jane was in the wrong for lying about the baby because she knew it would make Kenny's temper boil but she did look sad and did say it was an accident (and did tell Clem to trust her so I never doubted the baby was dead/in danger) but Kenny's instant reaction is anger and he takes the first swing. All his morals go out the window, he's not prepared to listen to anything Jane says, he just sees red. It is really hard to see in the blizzard and the walkers haven't slowed down because of the cold like everyone thought they would, so it is believable that an accident could have happened.
The fact that when shot Kenny tells Clem she made the right choice, or if you go with him to Wellington he says he doesn't trust himself to look after you anymore, proves this point further. It may not be the best ending, (as regardless on your thoughts on Kenny you can't deny that both of his endings are more emotional which is something the other 3 lack.) but it's definitely the moral choice. You shoot Kenny only after trying and failing to break up the fight and knowing if you don't kill Kenny, he will kill Jane, just like he would have killed Arvo if there hadn't been anyone there to stop him.
Your unedited comment was more accurate, actually.
Kenny is always close to Clem on everyone's playthrough. He is short-tempered and lashed out on her in 204, but you can't forget all the non-determinant scenes where he proves that she means much to him.
He is unbelievably glad to see her again.
He trusts Clem to steal a walkie talkie (that may not sound like much, but he trusts her the most, more than any adult).
He takes a beating for Clem, not only because it was his mistake in the first place.
He doesn't hold it against Clem if she says they'll leave him at Howe's.
He trusts her enough to make her own decision wether to watch him beating Carver to death or not.
He thinks she's up to help during childbirth, even if only a smaller role.
Kenny wasn't close to Clementine in everyones game. For example, I liked him but my Clem could see he was going insane, and that it was better to be with Jane.
I agree. It is made clear that Kenny is clearing loosing it. A number of characters point this out at one time or another. However, Jane was… more in the wrong for lying about the baby because she knew it would make Kenny's temper boil but she did look sad and did say it was an accident (and did tell Clem to trust her so I never doubted the baby was dead/in danger) but Kenny's instant reaction is anger and he takes the first swing. All his morals go out the window, he's not prepared to listen to anything Jane says, he just sees red. It is really hard to see in the blizzard and the walkers haven't slowed down because of the cold like everyone thought they would, so it is believable that an accident could have happened.
The fact that when shot Kenny tells Clem she made the right choice, or if you go with him to Wellington he says he doesn't trust himself to look after you anymore, proves this point further. It may not be the best ending, (as regar… [view original content]
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You do know instigating a fight is starting it?
Dude, Jane said it was accident but Kenny attacked her. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. Had no reason to think she killed a baby. During ZA bad things happen. Jane wanted to show that he's unstable. She was right. He tried to kill her with knife. Wanted to kill a girl who wasn't bad person. Agreeing with that is wrong.
Does it really matter?
Neither the two choices were the best, in the Walking Dead the world is fucked up to the maximum extent possible, and Kenny was psychically deteriorated because of that.
Interestingly I would LIKE to see you in Kenny's place, di**head (JK). What would you do in that world he's in?
I loved the way Jane called Kenny a "ticking time bomb" despite the fact that everyone else went off first, Mike abandoned the group to escape with a man who almost got them all killed and Jane who hide a baby for a pointless reason. I mean if Jane had not of done stupid things like that to anger Kenny then things would have been alot better. Kenny's anger towards Arvo was justified.
After reading the comments, I've had fu**ing enough, NOBODY HERE KNOWS THE MEANING OF MANIPULATION NOR MALICIOUS INTENT.
I wonder what would of happened if the baby was dead. I mean she says do it and if you shoot him. If not he looks depressed and I wonder would he take Clem to safety or give up right then and there?
But that was before the kid was born. The baby is much more of a replacement for Duck than Clem
How the fuck did a whole group of survivors cross that lake (earlier when there were no snow especially) without breaking the ice?? What about that fat russian dude? It could be telltale games being stupid or that Arvo was lying and was just going for a suicide route cus his life had no meaning any more.
Clem wasn't focusing on a dialog with the kid cus she was to busy thinking and watching the father. She was too busy at the moment
That's probably why we didn't have a dialog option
Brilliant :'D
Even if i would say, "there is no best ending" I agree with u. I dont think Janes planned this from the beginning, but I thought killing jane is just wrong. It means that I agree with the stranger who almost killed the whole group because we accidently killed his family. It would mean that I had no problem with Lilly when she killed Carley, even IF carley really pushed her to that point. But I'm not okay with it. And I'm not okay with Kenny killing a women because he is mad. He was the first one who attacked. I hated Jane for what shes done, but I will not watch how somebody kill a person. Even if the Killer is one of my best friends. And it hurts. It still hurts. And I will be mad at jane forever, but I stay to may choice and imo it was the right choice.
mad kenny fan here
Well thats UR opinion
Indeed it is claps
If you see any counter arguments, let me know
I'm not more mad than the OP is a mad Jane apologist, but my text has more arguments and is shorter.
First of all, the reason he says "I won't be left alone again; is because he's talking about his love life. He lost his wife, and then his girlfriend so that's what he is referring too. I think anybody would have called Clem a stupid fucking kid if she just caused the death of my girlfriend. If anything Kenny just lashing out was because he cares for Clem if he didn't care, he probably would have hurt her.
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't get the part in episode 5 were Kenny talks about EVERYTHING that's happened in season 2? He talks about how he misses his family and how he was wrong to act like he did. Basically at that point he wouldn't get mad a Clem at all, even to go on where if you SHOOT him hes says she made the right choice.
Jane perfectly knew well that she was going to fight Kenny by hiding the baby, either that or shes a freaking Idiot. In my opinion reaching the place we tried so hard to get too where Everyone we knew is now dead because of it is a lot better than going back to Howes just waiting for another shit storm to happen. And you can't say Wellington is bad, we have no idea and plus and "myth" of it was hanging around for quite sometime and its lasted this long so it should be a good temporary home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaWzLZbleo
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Next Season, we learn that the shot didn't actually kill Kenny. His beard stopped the bullet. He comes back with an even larger beard.
It was the house he was heading for, unless you think he miraculously found a random house with supplies while trying to get them lost in the wilderness. Having that been established, the only person who had trouble crossing was Luke. Maybe he stepped on an area no one in Arvo's group had used, or maybe Arvo's group crossed one at a time instead of everyone at once. The fact is, Arvo's group managed to cross the ice, and everyone but Luke managed to cross the ice.
Ice is treacherous. Ice that was safe one day may not be safe the next. Blaming him because one person couldn't make it (and he might have made it anyway if Bonnie didn't crawl over to "help") makes no sense. And it still doesn't justify beating him. Beating him served no purpose except making Kenny feel better, and splintering the group.
if you have learned anything from everything that happened it did.
old yeller is finally put out of his misery.
the baby is save.
you have an experienced survivor, that has proven more then enough she would save your live by risking her own, covering your back.
wrong...no it's not the best moral choice...nice try, though...fail
well whatever YOUR BS opinion is YOURS too...duuurrrrr
It is arguably the best moral choice.
It's as much the best moral choice as choosing to stay with Kenny is.
Anyone who would've called Clementine a stupid fucking kid is obviously missing some screws.
Ok, I'm guessing you didn't get the part in episode 5 were Kenny talks about EVERYTHING that's happened in season 2? I value actions more than words. The stage with Kenny is like an abusive relationship cycle..
She knew exactly what she was doing. You're right. It happened with Clementine. Kenny would overreact and try to rip your head off. I saw it once, didn't need to see it again. You do realize that if Kenny would've done something ELSE rather than try to kill Jane, he would've gotten MUCH more support?
The problem I have with Jane is that she tries to make Clem do horrible things, she tries to make her become just like herself. Remember in episode 4 when she tries to convince you that you should leave Sarah ? And in episode 5, when you're just with her in the car she tries to convince you to leave and abandon Kenny, just like that. She can potentially make you kill someone that is close to Clem (even if your Clem doesn't like Kenny, they still have been through a lot together), she lies to Clem about the baby. And finally, if you end up with her back at Carver's place she encourages you to not let the family in. Clem has the potential to become a very cold and unfriendly person if she stays with Jane, if she always listens to what Jane tells her to do, I'm afraid that she might end up losing her humanity at some point.
I really liked Jane and loved the friendship she was starting to build with Clem, she was like a big sister. I was happy to see her come back, I was nice to her throughout the entire episode and I wasn't too sure about following Kenny. But I felt completely betrayed when she lied about the baby to make Kenny mad, I thought it was stupid and I couldn't forgive her after what she tried to do, so I didn't shoot Kenny and I left with him in the end. But I still think that the ending with Jane is very interesting, it's just not what I want for my Clem.
This is definitely an END GAME statement.
I don't know if jane lovers priorities are: baby's safety or keep pressing Kenny's hot button?
I know for fact that jane supporters will put Kenny's temper first before baby's safety...
Uh wat
Yeah, Kenny would have gotten more support.. Absolutely. Only reason I am against Jane really is I never liked her. And with the "Stupid Fucking Kid" thing, it was just more in the situation thing, but Clem is not stupid. Honestly who is thinking straight in that kind of situation?
For the last time,no choice is canon or good/bad.It's how you want to play the game,that's all.
Somebody get this man a medal
Kenny wasn't close to Clementine in everyones game. For example, I liked him but my Clem could see he was going insane, and that it was better to be with Jane.
says Jane is using Clem as a replacement for Jamie
Doesn't mention the fact that the bearded hero himself used Sarita as a Kat replacement, and Aj and Clem as replacements for Duck.
Fair enough, he did.
But he wasn't as obsessed with Clem being his daughter as Jane was with Clem being her sister.
I didn't get a 'she's my daughter' vibe from Kenny, whereas I definitley got a 'she's my sister' vibe from Jane.
I agree. It is made clear that Kenny is clearing loosing it. A number of characters point this out at one time or another. However, Jane was in the wrong for lying about the baby because she knew it would make Kenny's temper boil but she did look sad and did say it was an accident (and did tell Clem to trust her so I never doubted the baby was dead/in danger) but Kenny's instant reaction is anger and he takes the first swing. All his morals go out the window, he's not prepared to listen to anything Jane says, he just sees red. It is really hard to see in the blizzard and the walkers haven't slowed down because of the cold like everyone thought they would, so it is believable that an accident could have happened.
The fact that when shot Kenny tells Clem she made the right choice, or if you go with him to Wellington he says he doesn't trust himself to look after you anymore, proves this point further. It may not be the best ending, (as regardless on your thoughts on Kenny you can't deny that both of his endings are more emotional which is something the other 3 lack.) but it's definitely the moral choice. You shoot Kenny only after trying and failing to break up the fight and knowing if you don't kill Kenny, he will kill Jane, just like he would have killed Arvo if there hadn't been anyone there to stop him.
Your unedited comment was more accurate, actually.
Kenny is always close to Clem on everyone's playthrough. He is short-tempered and lashed out on her in 204, but you can't forget all the non-determinant scenes where he proves that she means much to him.
He is unbelievably glad to see her again.
He trusts Clem to steal a walkie talkie (that may not sound like much, but he trusts her the most, more than any adult).
He takes a beating for Clem, not only because it was his mistake in the first place.
He doesn't hold it against Clem if she says they'll leave him at Howe's.
He trusts her enough to make her own decision wether to watch him beating Carver to death or not.
He thinks she's up to help during childbirth, even if only a smaller role.
I could go on, but it would be a long post.
it's clear that you don't seem to care about the baby.
How? I hardly even mentioned the baby! Jane said to trust her so I did, and the baby was alive just like I suspected.