Isn't it easy to lose a baby?

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  • It was possible. With that whiteout it was hard for me to see what was happening. I wish Kenny had listened to her explanation instead of charging like a bull. This makes it double ridiculous to me the thought of Clem going off alone with the baby as a possibility.

  • And it was on her head, to some extent.

    I in no way blame Clem for what she did. It was the right thing to do, as not cutting it off would have lead to Sarita's death for 100% sure. And Clem couldn't know Sarita would trip into a herd and get numbed.

    But she still is, to a very little extent, responsible.

    Now, I agree Kenny went to far with blaming her for everything that happened. But he wasn't totally wrong.

    remorse667 posted: »

    Ridiculous. Some people just can't stand being told off so it seems. But Kenny said This one's on your head, Clementine!

  • If you call someone a stupid fucking kid, you're calling them a stupid fucking kid, not that you're going to murder them. Are you even reading what you write?

    remorse667 posted: »

    Really? A man who just called you a STUPID FUCKING KID and says this one's on your head.. totally doesn't want to kill you. Oh it's ok he's probably kidding Lmao .. Lol.. does not make any sense. But Kenny apologists never really make sense.

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    I live in Wisconsin. Its not hard.

    The snow wasn't very deep at all where they were.

    remorse667 posted: »

    Have you tried walking through snow without proper equipment?

  • edited August 2014

    Facial expressions and words are good way of anticipating someone's next move.

    A man who just called you a STUPID FUCKING KID and says this one's on your head.. Oh no, you're right, that obviously means he wants

  • He would be furious for her putting the baby at risk, but I highly doubt he would just decide to kill her.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Na. He probably would have killed her for lying. He's was crazy after all.

  • Now you're just taking what you like. If you call someone a stupid fucking kid and then give them a nasty look then say "this one's on your head!" It's obvious you have malicious intent.

    BenUseful posted: »

    If you call someone a stupid fucking kid, you're calling them a stupid fucking kid, not that you're going to murder them. Are you even reading what you write?

  • They never eat a body completely. Secondly, she could get the remains, or the blanket, or run in screaming and tell Kenny to hurry or whatever.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Or... you know... zombies that eat human flesh.

  • I honestly don't think Kenny would have believed her if she said AJ was alive. He snapped and was gone. I think the only thing he would have listened to to stop fighting was actually hearing AJ crying.

    I know it's not really the same, but in Season 1 when you show him the cloth covered in Duck's coughed up blood, Kenny dismisses it. Once he gets something stuck in his head, it stays there until something snaps him out of it. I don't think Jane saying he was alive was going to snap him out of it, since he didn't trust her in the first place, right? He'd probably just call it bullshit, I think.

    I think that we don't really care wether she might have had good excuses or not, because no one would have ever suspected her from any wrong

  • I've heard some tales of people forgetting their babies/kids exactly like their keys. 8P

    Oh yes, babies are like a pair of keys. Oops, where did my baby go?

  • Yeah, I mean, sometimes I have troubles seeing out my window where I live and it's usually never as bad as it was in the game. I also wish Kenny had listened; babies are fragile and he should know this. He didn't even give Clem a chance to explain herself as to why AJ was with Jane--he was already turning ballistic. What if Jane had never found the rest stop, Kenny, what then? Take it all out on Clem?

    KCohere posted: »

    It was possible. With that whiteout it was hard for me to see what was happening. I wish Kenny had listened to her explanation instead of c

  • what do you guys think

    I think I'm gonna get some ice cream

  • edited August 2014

    This right here. Sarah dies no matter what you do. I did everything I could to save her but I don't blame Jane one bit for it. If Sarah didn't die she'd have gotten someone else killed. When Jane says "There was nothing you could've done" i replied with "I know but I wish it were different" and i mean it. Sarah was a lost cause. Thats hardly Jane's fault.

    Mokiki posted: »

    Depending on your choice Jane even risks her own life trying to safe Sarah during the balcony scene.

  • She had the perfect chance..

    So why didn't she just leave the baby somewhere where they couldn't hear it cry?

    DeeLove92 posted: »

    She's heavily implying they should though. I mean, think of her overall mentally in ep 4: you are better off on your own and don't let the group drag you down with them. That's just how I see it.

  • I thought it was obvious nothing but Jane's death would've satisfied him at that point. I don't get how that's not obvious to everyone else.

    Cleverett posted: »

    I honestly don't think Kenny would have believed her if she said AJ was alive. He snapped and was gone. I think the only thing he would have

  • Just stop with these threads honestly.

  • I'm an atheist... I don't joke about food!

    Well, time to pull out the dead baby jokes!!!

  • By "this one's on your head!" he's saying "this is on your conscience!". People make other people feel guilty all the time, doesn't mean they want to kill them.

    remorse667 posted: »

    Now you're just taking what you like. If you call someone a stupid fucking kid and then give them a nasty look then say "this one's on your head!" It's obvious you have malicious intent.

  • It wasn't Carlos' fault! He was protecting her because she had anxiety and knew she would freak out if she was fully exposed.

    remorse667 posted: »

    I know. I loved her, but I know Carlos fucked up by sheltering her from the real world. She's too far gone. Certainly don't blame Jane for wanting to leave her behind.

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    Exactly! Kenny even says he's "done talking" if you try to tell him to let Jane talk. And if you get between them when they fight their way outside and try to tell Jane to run and she says it's not happening and pushes Clem aside, I have a feeling if she did run, Kenny would have just ran for her. He wasn't going to just let her go. He'd probably scream at Clementine too for trying to help her get away. Probably akin to the Sarita moment: "YOU STUPID FUCKING KID!!"

    I just hate how Jane pushes Clem if you get between them and block her--I can understand Kenny, but Jane there? It woulda fit more if Kenny threw Clem away to continue the fight, but that's just me. He wasn't going to let Jane go, and he wasn't going to listen to a word she said. He didn't even listen to one of my Clementines when she said to go back south like three times.

    Kenny just doesn't care to listen unless it's to hear himself. He wasn't ending that fight until someone ended up dead.

    I also wonder, do people forget Kenny throws the first punch? He walks back in, pushes Clem out of the way and tries to deck Jane in the face and screams she's a murderer despite her saying it's an accident. She takes out her knife, puts it away and tells him not to get near her, and then he charges her into the door and would have strangled her to death had Clem not stepped in. (I don't know what happens if you don't)

    What Jane did was stupid, but the fact Kenny didn't even try to listen is what seals the deal. Jane was trying to prove a point, and the point was that that could have easily been Luke or Nick or LEE or even HER on the ground about to get a knife plunged into their chest because he doesn't listen and blahblahblah

    (sorry for the rant omgosh)

    Rockworm posted: »

    I thought it was obvious nothing but Jane's death would've satisfied him at that point. I don't get how that's not obvious to everyone else.

  • Awesome plan. Can I join you?

    Rockworm posted: »

    what do you guys think I think I'm gonna get some ice cream

  • I thought mine had a premise different than most of the topics I've seen, but, I guess I should have seen it escalating into what it did. Sorry.

    -XYAB- posted: »

    Just stop with these threads honestly.

  • Let's settle this.

    Jane is better than Kenny because:

    Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her actions. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.

    Kenny is better than Jane because:

    He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attached to was thought to be dead. Additionally, in the end, Kenny respects Clementine's decisions no matter what.

    Jane is worse than Kenny because:

    She was manipulative, she seduced Luke which is the cause of him not doing his job, she purposely lied about AJ, implying that he was dead, only to try and prove a point to Clementine, ultimately killing Kenny in the process. She left the group in the first place and she tried to leave the group again, she doesn't know how to take care of AJ, she put AJ in danger. She retaliated and mouthed off about Kenny's family. On multiple occasions, Jane tries to convince Clementine that she can't do anything to save Sarah at the trailer park or Bonnie if she falls in, it was rather obvious that she didn't have allot of remorse for the situation and only made Kenny worse.

    Why Kenny is worse than Jane:

    Kenny's anger gets the better of him whenever his loved ones are in danger, yeah sure, Kenny may not kill the people who he becomes attached to, but he will harm anyone who does any kind of wrong to him or the people he's attached to, making him dangerous and violent. Kenny can kill Jane and start a fight regardless of the lack of evidence and he didn't even give Jane a chance to explain, not considering such possibilities as stated in this thread. In the end, it is rather easy to figure that Kenny only gave the apology to try and convince Clementine to forgive him, he says that she could've stopped the fight, but he could've as well.

    In the end, they are both psychopathic, dangerous and manipulative individuals.

  • Can I give you the highest of fives?

    prink34320 posted: »

    Let's settle this. Jane is better than Kenny because: Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a

  • high five

    Cleverett posted: »

    Can I give you the highest of fives?

  • I've lost at least five babies

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    I doubt Kenny would kill Clementine. Explode at her and blame her for everything (again) but not out and out kill her. She's his (other) Duck surrogate.

    He attacks Jane because Jane had been trying to provoke him (including mocking his dead family) earlier and he never trusted her.

    remorse667 posted: »

    I have said it time and time again, if that was Clementine who would've lost the baby, Kenny would've killed her. Simply because she's small

  • It's a thing that is a fun to have as a kid but terrible when you are an adult.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Yeah i have no idea what snow is, what is snow?

  • I've lost like 20 tbh

    slattern posted: »

    I've lost at least five babies

  • good god

    Cleverett posted: »

    I've lost like 20 tbh

  • I regret that I can only like this post once

    prink34320 posted: »

    Let's settle this. Jane is better than Kenny because: Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a

  • Kenny left Clem to die in the heat of his rage, but forgave her later on.

    His reaction to Jane was fueled in part to the suspicion he already held about the woman not caring one iota about the baby. When she claimed it was an accident, he assumed, not without warrant, that she was just lying. And what would have happened if he hadn't killed her and found out that she had abandoned the baby purely to provoke him?

  • This man gets it.

    To be honest, I hate that Clementine has to go it alone. But forsaking two unstable, untrustworthy individuals doesn't mean she's forsaken her humanity.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Let's settle this. Jane is better than Kenny because: Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a

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    Why does this comment have so many upvotes?

    Kenny would never ever hurt Clementine, let alone kill her.

    WTF?! Kenny loved Clem like his own daughter, while Jane was just some random survivor who he met a day ago and of whom he believed had taken AJ from us.

    remorse667 posted: »

    I have said it time and time again, if that was Clementine who would've lost the baby, Kenny would've killed her. Simply because she's small

  • Not at all, it's close to impossible if you don't want to. Then that's another story.

    AJ was alive after the car crash and when they fled. He won't freeze if he's in a blizzard for 10 minutes. Jane keeps him warm.

    Babies don't suffocate if they don't get air for the 3 seconds it takes for them to be picked up again.

    He also won't die if she accidently drops him, the snow would stop him enough he doesn't break his neck. He won't starve or die of thirst.

    Walkers are too slow to even move, how would they

    • attack at all.

    • not attack Jane first if they were able to. They don't give a fuck what they're eating as long as they are.

    • manage to pull the baby out of Jane's hands if she doesn't want them to.

    So no. You can't lose a baby just like that.

  • Go find the remains in the middle of a snow storm with flesh eating zombies trying to get you. Okay.

    Hrulj posted: »

    They never eat a body completely. Secondly, she could get the remains, or the blanket, or run in screaming and tell Kenny to hurry or whatever.

  • Wouldn't put it past him.

    Belan posted: »

    He would be furious for her putting the baby at risk, but I highly doubt he would just decide to kill her.

  • That's not my point, though. Even if it wasn't her true intention to leave the baby so it wouldn't be found, she painted a picture of herself to the players as someone who felt the baby was a liability in episode 4. That's why I immediately felt she killed the baby when she came back empty handed and gave a vague reason as to what happened. So I understand why some players jumped to that conclusion, even if that is not what Jane intended at the end. Plus it isn't right, to me, to use a baby as a tool to prove a point - that put the baby at risk if something happened to her.

    Rockworm posted: »

    She had the perfect chance.. So why didn't she just leave the baby somewhere where they couldn't hear it cry?

  • Then dont loose a baby. Easy like that. Or die defending it.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Go find the remains in the middle of a snow storm with flesh eating zombies trying to get you. Okay.

  • "Isn't it easy to lose a baby?"

    No, no it isn't. It's easy to lose a 4 year old (especially in a supermarket o_O) because those things run like hell, but a newborn, no.

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