It was possible. With that whiteout it was hard for me to see what was happening. I wish Kenny had listened to her explanation instead of charging like a bull. This makes it double ridiculous to me the thought of Clem going off alone with the baby as a possibility.
I in no way blame Clem for what she did. It was the right thing to do, as not cutting it off would have lead to Sarita's death for 100% sure. And Clem couldn't know Sarita would trip into a herd and get numbed.
But she still is, to a very little extent, responsible.
Now, I agree Kenny went to far with blaming her for everything that happened. But he wasn't totally wrong.
If you call someone a stupid fucking kid, you're calling them a stupid fucking kid, not that you're going to murder them. Are you even reading what you write?
Really? A man who just called you a STUPID FUCKING KID and says this one's on your head.. totally doesn't want to kill you.
Oh it's ok he's probably kidding Lmao ..
Lol.. does not make any sense. But Kenny apologists never really make sense.
A man who just called you a STUPID FUCKING KID and says this one's on your head..
Oh no, you're right, that obviously means he wants… more to brutally murder her.
::sigh:: Just read what you wrote, man. You are only going to embarass yourself with this nonsense.
Now you're just taking what you like. If you call someone a stupid fucking kid and then give them a nasty look then say "this one's on your head!" It's obvious you have malicious intent.
If you call someone a stupid fucking kid, you're calling them a stupid fucking kid, not that you're going to murder them. Are you even reading what you write?
I honestly don't think Kenny would have believed her if she said AJ was alive. He snapped and was gone. I think the only thing he would have listened to to stop fighting was actually hearing AJ crying.
I know it's not really the same, but in Season 1 when you show him the cloth covered in Duck's coughed up blood, Kenny dismisses it. Once he gets something stuck in his head, it stays there until something snaps him out of it. I don't think Jane saying he was alive was going to snap him out of it, since he didn't trust her in the first place, right? He'd probably just call it bullshit, I think.
I think that we don't really care wether she might have had good excuses or not, because no one would have ever suspected her from any wrong… moredoing if she had not pulled that shit in the first place... She created the suspicion for which she is suspected, how about stop finding excuses as if she had actually lost the baby and was unfairly blamed for it ?
And when the fight was on, all she had to do to prove him she wasn't a baby killer was to tell him she couldn't have killed AJ since he was actually alive... You know, the one thing that would also have stopped the fight and immediately shut off Kenny's berserker mode... But she wouldn't do that because she had already decided to make it a fight to the death to get rid of Kenny.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes I have troubles seeing out my window where I live and it's usually never as bad as it was in the game. I also wish Kenny had listened; babies are fragile and he should know this. He didn't even give Clem a chance to explain herself as to why AJ was with Jane--he was already turning ballistic. What if Jane had never found the rest stop, Kenny, what then? Take it all out on Clem?
It was possible. With that whiteout it was hard for me to see what was happening. I wish Kenny had listened to her explanation instead of c… moreharging like a bull. This makes it double ridiculous to me the thought of Clem going off alone with the baby as a possibility.
This right here. Sarah dies no matter what you do. I did everything I could to save her but I don't blame Jane one bit for it. If Sarah didn't die she'd have gotten someone else killed. When Jane says "There was nothing you could've done" i replied with "I know but I wish it were different" and i mean it. Sarah was a lost cause. Thats hardly Jane's fault.
She's heavily implying they should though. I mean, think of her overall mentally in ep 4: you are better off on your own and don't let the group drag you down with them. That's just how I see it.
I honestly don't think Kenny would have believed her if she said AJ was alive. He snapped and was gone. I think the only thing he would have… more listened to to stop fighting was actually hearing AJ crying.
I know it's not really the same, but in Season 1 when you show him the cloth covered in Duck's coughed up blood, Kenny dismisses it. Once he gets something stuck in his head, it stays there until something snaps him out of it. I don't think Jane saying he was alive was going to snap him out of it, since he didn't trust her in the first place, right? He'd probably just call it bullshit, I think.
By "this one's on your head!" he's saying "this is on your conscience!". People make other people feel guilty all the time, doesn't mean they want to kill them.
Now you're just taking what you like. If you call someone a stupid fucking kid and then give them a nasty look then say "this one's on your head!" It's obvious you have malicious intent.
I know. I loved her, but I know Carlos fucked up by sheltering her from the real world. She's too far gone. Certainly don't blame Jane for wanting to leave her behind.
Exactly! Kenny even says he's "done talking" if you try to tell him to let Jane talk. And if you get between them when they fight their way outside and try to tell Jane to run and she says it's not happening and pushes Clem aside, I have a feeling if she did run, Kenny would have just ran for her. He wasn't going to just let her go. He'd probably scream at Clementine too for trying to help her get away. Probably akin to the Sarita moment: "YOU STUPID FUCKING KID!!"
I just hate how Jane pushes Clem if you get between them and block her--I can understand Kenny, but Jane there? It woulda fit more if Kenny threw Clem away to continue the fight, but that's just me. He wasn't going to let Jane go, and he wasn't going to listen to a word she said. He didn't even listen to one of my Clementines when she said to go back south like three times.
Kenny just doesn't care to listen unless it's to hear himself. He wasn't ending that fight until someone ended up dead.
I also wonder, do people forget Kenny throws the first punch? He walks back in, pushes Clem out of the way and tries to deck Jane in the face and screams she's a murderer despite her saying it's an accident. She takes out her knife, puts it away and tells him not to get near her, and then he charges her into the door and would have strangled her to death had Clem not stepped in. (I don't know what happens if you don't)
What Jane did was stupid, but the fact Kenny didn't even try to listen is what seals the deal. Jane was trying to prove a point, and the point was that that could have easily been Luke or Nick or LEE or even HER on the ground about to get a knife plunged into their chest because he doesn't listen and blahblahblah
Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her actions. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.
Kenny is better than Jane because:
He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attached to was thought to be dead. Additionally, in the end, Kenny respects Clementine's decisions no matter what.
Jane is worse than Kenny because:
She was manipulative, she seduced Luke which is the cause of him not doing his job, she purposely lied about AJ, implying that he was dead, only to try and prove a point to Clementine, ultimately killing Kenny in the process. She left the group in the first place and she tried to leave the group again, she doesn't know how to take care of AJ, she put AJ in danger. She retaliated and mouthed off about Kenny's family. On multiple occasions, Jane tries to convince Clementine that she can't do anything to save Sarah at the trailer park or Bonnie if she falls in, it was rather obvious that she didn't have allot of remorse for the situation and only made Kenny worse.
Why Kenny is worse than Jane:
Kenny's anger gets the better of him whenever his loved ones are in danger, yeah sure, Kenny may not kill the people who he becomes attached to, but he will harm anyone who does any kind of wrong to him or the people he's attached to, making him dangerous and violent. Kenny can kill Jane and start a fight regardless of the lack of evidence and he didn't even give Jane a chance to explain, not considering such possibilities as stated in this thread. In the end, it is rather easy to figure that Kenny only gave the apology to try and convince Clementine to forgive him, he says that she could've stopped the fight, but he could've as well.
In the end, they are both psychopathic, dangerous and manipulative individuals.
Let's settle this.
Jane is better than Kenny because:
Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a… morections. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.
Kenny is better than Jane because:
He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attac… [view original content]
I doubt Kenny would kill Clementine. Explode at her and blame her for everything (again) but not out and out kill her. She's his (other) Duck surrogate.
He attacks Jane because Jane had been trying to provoke him (including mocking his dead family) earlier and he never trusted her.
I have said it time and time again, if that was Clementine who would've lost the baby, Kenny would've killed her. Simply because she's small… moreer and can be easily over-powered. Kenny wanted Clem's head after what happened to Sarita. Luckily, that herd stopped him.
Let's settle this.
Jane is better than Kenny because:
Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a… morections. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.
Kenny is better than Jane because:
He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attac… [view original content]
Kenny left Clem to die in the heat of his rage, but forgave her later on.
His reaction to Jane was fueled in part to the suspicion he already held about the woman not caring one iota about the baby. When she claimed it was an accident, he assumed, not without warrant, that she was just lying. And what would have happened if he hadn't killed her and found out that she had abandoned the baby purely to provoke him?
To be honest, I hate that Clementine has to go it alone. But forsaking two unstable, untrustworthy individuals doesn't mean she's forsaken her humanity.
Let's settle this.
Jane is better than Kenny because:
Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her a… morections. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.
Kenny is better than Jane because:
He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attac… [view original content]
Kenny would never ever hurt Clementine, let alone kill her.
WTF?! Kenny loved Clem like his own daughter, while Jane was just some random survivor who he met a day ago and of whom he believed had taken AJ from us.
I have said it time and time again, if that was Clementine who would've lost the baby, Kenny would've killed her. Simply because she's small… moreer and can be easily over-powered. Kenny wanted Clem's head after what happened to Sarita. Luckily, that herd stopped him.
That's not my point, though. Even if it wasn't her true intention to leave the baby so it wouldn't be found, she painted a picture of herself to the players as someone who felt the baby was a liability in episode 4. That's why I immediately felt she killed the baby when she came back empty handed and gave a vague reason as to what happened. So I understand why some players jumped to that conclusion, even if that is not what Jane intended at the end. Plus it isn't right, to me, to use a baby as a tool to prove a point - that put the baby at risk if something happened to her.
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It was possible. With that whiteout it was hard for me to see what was happening. I wish Kenny had listened to her explanation instead of charging like a bull. This makes it double ridiculous to me the thought of Clem going off alone with the baby as a possibility.
And it was on her head, to some extent.
I in no way blame Clem for what she did. It was the right thing to do, as not cutting it off would have lead to Sarita's death for 100% sure. And Clem couldn't know Sarita would trip into a herd and get numbed.
But she still is, to a very little extent, responsible.
Now, I agree Kenny went to far with blaming her for everything that happened. But he wasn't totally wrong.
If you call someone a stupid fucking kid, you're calling them a stupid fucking kid, not that you're going to murder them. Are you even reading what you write?
I live in Wisconsin. Its not hard.
The snow wasn't very deep at all where they were.
Facial expressions and words are good way of anticipating someone's next move.
He would be furious for her putting the baby at risk, but I highly doubt he would just decide to kill her.
Now you're just taking what you like. If you call someone a stupid fucking kid and then give them a nasty look then say "this one's on your head!" It's obvious you have malicious intent.
They never eat a body completely. Secondly, she could get the remains, or the blanket, or run in screaming and tell Kenny to hurry or whatever.
I honestly don't think Kenny would have believed her if she said AJ was alive. He snapped and was gone. I think the only thing he would have listened to to stop fighting was actually hearing AJ crying.
I know it's not really the same, but in Season 1 when you show him the cloth covered in Duck's coughed up blood, Kenny dismisses it. Once he gets something stuck in his head, it stays there until something snaps him out of it. I don't think Jane saying he was alive was going to snap him out of it, since he didn't trust her in the first place, right? He'd probably just call it bullshit, I think.
I've heard some tales of people forgetting their babies/kids exactly like their keys. 8P
Yeah, I mean, sometimes I have troubles seeing out my window where I live and it's usually never as bad as it was in the game. I also wish Kenny had listened; babies are fragile and he should know this. He didn't even give Clem a chance to explain herself as to why AJ was with Jane--he was already turning ballistic. What if Jane had never found the rest stop, Kenny, what then? Take it all out on Clem?
I think I'm gonna get some ice cream
This right here. Sarah dies no matter what you do. I did everything I could to save her but I don't blame Jane one bit for it. If Sarah didn't die she'd have gotten someone else killed. When Jane says "There was nothing you could've done" i replied with "I know but I wish it were different" and i mean it. Sarah was a lost cause. Thats hardly Jane's fault.
She had the perfect chance..
So why didn't she just leave the baby somewhere where they couldn't hear it cry?
I thought it was obvious nothing but Jane's death would've satisfied him at that point. I don't get how that's not obvious to everyone else.
Just stop with these threads honestly.
I'm an atheist... I don't joke about food!
By "this one's on your head!" he's saying "this is on your conscience!". People make other people feel guilty all the time, doesn't mean they want to kill them.
It wasn't Carlos' fault! He was protecting her because she had anxiety and knew she would freak out if she was fully exposed.
Exactly! Kenny even says he's "done talking" if you try to tell him to let Jane talk. And if you get between them when they fight their way outside and try to tell Jane to run and she says it's not happening and pushes Clem aside, I have a feeling if she did run, Kenny would have just ran for her. He wasn't going to just let her go. He'd probably scream at Clementine too for trying to help her get away. Probably akin to the Sarita moment: "YOU STUPID FUCKING KID!!"
I just hate how Jane pushes Clem if you get between them and block her--I can understand Kenny, but Jane there? It woulda fit more if Kenny threw Clem away to continue the fight, but that's just me. He wasn't going to let Jane go, and he wasn't going to listen to a word she said. He didn't even listen to one of my Clementines when she said to go back south like three times.
Kenny just doesn't care to listen unless it's to hear himself. He wasn't ending that fight until someone ended up dead.
I also wonder, do people forget Kenny throws the first punch? He walks back in, pushes Clem out of the way and tries to deck Jane in the face and screams she's a murderer despite her saying it's an accident. She takes out her knife, puts it away and tells him not to get near her, and then he charges her into the door and would have strangled her to death had Clem not stepped in. (I don't know what happens if you don't)
What Jane did was stupid, but the fact Kenny didn't even try to listen is what seals the deal. Jane was trying to prove a point, and the point was that that could have easily been Luke or Nick or LEE or even HER on the ground about to get a knife plunged into their chest because he doesn't listen and blahblahblah
(sorry for the rant omgosh)
Awesome plan. Can I join you?
I thought mine had a premise different than most of the topics I've seen, but, I guess I should have seen it escalating into what it did. Sorry.
Let's settle this.
Jane is better than Kenny because:
Even though she had lost everyone she cared about, she could still control her actions. She didn't have to save the group's ass, but she did, multiple times, in just the short amount of time she spent in the group she had managed to help the group more than any of the other members. Jane knows how to survive, she taught Clementine some new ways to survive form Walkers. She admitted to Kenny being a good person, she didn't actually begin the whole feud between the two of them.
Kenny is better than Jane because:
He actually knows how to take care of AJ, he may let his anger get through to him, but it's obvious that he can control his actions when near people he truly cares for. Kenny has aided Clementine from the very beginning, he has lost so much, a wife, a son, determinantly a best friend and a girlfriend, you can't blame him for getting mad when another person he became attached to was thought to be dead. Additionally, in the end, Kenny respects Clementine's decisions no matter what.
Jane is worse than Kenny because:
She was manipulative, she seduced Luke which is the cause of him not doing his job, she purposely lied about AJ, implying that he was dead, only to try and prove a point to Clementine, ultimately killing Kenny in the process. She left the group in the first place and she tried to leave the group again, she doesn't know how to take care of AJ, she put AJ in danger. She retaliated and mouthed off about Kenny's family. On multiple occasions, Jane tries to convince Clementine that she can't do anything to save Sarah at the trailer park or Bonnie if she falls in, it was rather obvious that she didn't have allot of remorse for the situation and only made Kenny worse.
Why Kenny is worse than Jane:
Kenny's anger gets the better of him whenever his loved ones are in danger, yeah sure, Kenny may not kill the people who he becomes attached to, but he will harm anyone who does any kind of wrong to him or the people he's attached to, making him dangerous and violent. Kenny can kill Jane and start a fight regardless of the lack of evidence and he didn't even give Jane a chance to explain, not considering such possibilities as stated in this thread. In the end, it is rather easy to figure that Kenny only gave the apology to try and convince Clementine to forgive him, he says that she could've stopped the fight, but he could've as well.
In the end, they are both psychopathic, dangerous and manipulative individuals.
Can I give you the highest of fives?
high five
I've lost at least five babies
I doubt Kenny would kill Clementine. Explode at her and blame her for everything (again) but not out and out kill her. She's his (other) Duck surrogate.
He attacks Jane because Jane had been trying to provoke him (including mocking his dead family) earlier and he never trusted her.
It's a thing that is a fun to have as a kid but terrible when you are an adult.
I've lost like 20 tbh
good god
I regret that I can only like this post once
Kenny left Clem to die in the heat of his rage, but forgave her later on.
His reaction to Jane was fueled in part to the suspicion he already held about the woman not caring one iota about the baby. When she claimed it was an accident, he assumed, not without warrant, that she was just lying. And what would have happened if he hadn't killed her and found out that she had abandoned the baby purely to provoke him?
This man gets it.
To be honest, I hate that Clementine has to go it alone. But forsaking two unstable, untrustworthy individuals doesn't mean she's forsaken her humanity.
Why does this comment have so many upvotes?
Kenny would never ever hurt Clementine, let alone kill her.
WTF?! Kenny loved Clem like his own daughter, while Jane was just some random survivor who he met a day ago and of whom he believed had taken AJ from us.
Not at all, it's close to impossible if you don't want to. Then that's another story.
AJ was alive after the car crash and when they fled. He won't freeze if he's in a blizzard for 10 minutes. Jane keeps him warm.
Babies don't suffocate if they don't get air for the 3 seconds it takes for them to be picked up again.
He also won't die if she accidently drops him, the snow would stop him enough he doesn't break his neck. He won't starve or die of thirst.
Walkers are too slow to even move, how would they
attack at all.
not attack Jane first if they were able to. They don't give a fuck what they're eating as long as they are.
manage to pull the baby out of Jane's hands if she doesn't want them to.
So no. You can't lose a baby just like that.
Go find the remains in the middle of a snow storm with flesh eating zombies trying to get you. Okay.
Wouldn't put it past him.
That's not my point, though. Even if it wasn't her true intention to leave the baby so it wouldn't be found, she painted a picture of herself to the players as someone who felt the baby was a liability in episode 4. That's why I immediately felt she killed the baby when she came back empty handed and gave a vague reason as to what happened. So I understand why some players jumped to that conclusion, even if that is not what Jane intended at the end. Plus it isn't right, to me, to use a baby as a tool to prove a point - that put the baby at risk if something happened to her.
Then dont loose a baby. Easy like that. Or die defending it.
"Isn't it easy to lose a baby?"
No, no it isn't. It's easy to lose a 4 year old (especially in a supermarket o_O) because those things run like hell, but a newborn, no.