Kenny is dangerous, not because he would purposefully hurt Clem and AJ, but because he doesn't think through and is violent towards everyone else. Clem got shot because of Kenny, that's how dangerous he is.
His actions scared everyone else so much that they chose to leave in the night rather than face a violent man that can't be reasoned with. And if Clem hadn't been awake, instead of shot she'd have been left with no supplies and no car. Way to go Kenny. Really taking good care of Clem and AJ there.
That is why Jane wants to get away from Kenny. Because he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions, and not thinking puts Clem at risk.
it was her fault to push kenny in that situation,both jane and clem knew him
Knowing that someone can be pushed is exactly the reason to not associate with that person. Arvo "pushed" Kenny by taking him exactly where he said he would take them, and got the shit kicked out of him in return. Kenny is "pushed" whenever people don't agree with him, and you spend half the season playing peacekeeper because Kenny won't ever remain calm.
Lets not forget he's clearly a racist.
The "urban" bit I could slide but all the "commie asshole" insults he threw at Arvo were very clear. People find it funny apparently.
What she did was messed up, I agree. I felt betrayed when I learned that she'd orchestrated the whole thing. I shot Kenny because he attacked her when she put the knife down (also, I play the games straight, so I didn't know the whole story at the time, just that something weird was going on).
So was I! We toads think alike! But I played Clem as someone who always sees the best in people and give them a 2nd chance. I was furious with Jane but I forgave her. Because thats just how my Clem is. Just like I was pissed off at the cabin group at the start of the season for locking me in a shed and make me suffer through a dog bite. But these new people quickly grew on me.
What she did was messed up, I agree. I felt betrayed when I learned that she'd orchestrated the whole thing. I shot Kenny because he attacke… mored her when she put the knife down (also, I play the games straight, so I didn't know the whole story at the time, just that something weird was going on).
I'm a Jane fan (although I agree that the whole situation at the end was wrong of her to do), and I don't hate Kenny.
I don't like him, either. I think he is a guy that has good intentions, for the most part, but just can't cope with the difficulties of the ZA. As Walter said, the ZA is more political than any time before. Political in the sense that you need to be able to understand people, and learn how to get along with them. You no longer have an entire society working to keep things going while you do your own thing, oblivious to everyone else. You have to interact with every member of your group, which will form their opinions of you, and your survival may well depend on those opinions.
Kenny couldn't get that. He antagonized people, and destabilized every situation. He refused to think of the consequences of his actions. He's the reason Clem got shot, despite his efforts to protect her. But I don't hate him for it, because his intentions were reasonable. He's just a flawed person, not a bad one.
lol this seems to be the argument eh.
I sided with Jane.. I clearly hate Kenny.
We cant have a middle ground at all? I can't like Kenny but hate what he was turning into?
Troy had wronged her, though, seeing as he was one of the guys enforcing their imprisonment. So she's being consistent when she later says s… morehe never killed anyone that hadn't wronged her. And Troy had a gun trained on the whole group. She risked herself by approaching him while trying to distract him long enough to shoot him and let them escape.
I'm not sure what your point is.
Are you stupid?
What part of locking a newborn baby in a car that only you know the location to in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm d… moreuring a Zombie apocalypse, then proceeding to instigate a fight for no good reason which will probably end up with you being killed if you lose is not putting the baby in danger? Nothing about that is sensible and I like Jane, but Jesus...man.
I'm a Jane fan (although I agree that the whole situation at the end was wrong of her to do), and I don't hate Kenny.
I don't like him, e… moreither. I think he is a guy that has good intentions, for the most part, but just can't cope with the difficulties of the ZA. As Walter said, the ZA is more political than any time before. Political in the sense that you need to be able to understand people, and learn how to get along with them. You no longer have an entire society working to keep things going while you do your own thing, oblivious to everyone else. You have to interact with every member of your group, which will form their opinions of you, and your survival may well depend on those opinions.
Kenny couldn't get that. He antagonized people, and destabilized every situation. He refused to think of the consequences of his actions. He's the reason Clem got shot, despite his efforts to protect her. But I don't hate him for it, because his intentions were reasonable. He's just a flawed person, not a bad one.
Its all relative. The Kenny apologist are saying I'm easily manipulated.
Zombie apocalypse, Real life... Murder is murder no matter the context. Carver doesn't get a free pass for murdering Reggie just because zombies exist in his world.
apologist????
carver planned for what he did.what kenny did was in a moment.jane tried to kill kenny too but she hadn't enough chance
don't tell me she didn't try, that i'll get that you haven't played the game just for 1 hour
She still pushed him over the line and into insanity by purposefully endangering AJ. That's straight up wrong. Just as wrong as Kenny losing his mind and trying to kill her.
it was her fault to push kenny in that situation,both jane and clem knew him
Knowing that someone can be pushed is exactly the reaso… moren to not associate with that person. Arvo "pushed" Kenny by taking him exactly where he said he would take them, and got the shit kicked out of him in return. Kenny is "pushed" whenever people don't agree with him, and you spend half the season playing peacekeeper because Kenny won't ever remain calm.
She doesnt try to brainwash into thinking Kenny is a bad guy, She set up situation where Kenny showed that he is a bad guy. Obviously her original plan was to convince Clementine to come with her, but she didnt know that Kenny would get so violent so it became fight to the end.
Defending Kenny is like defending Lilly. Both (tried)/murdered someone based on feelings, not facts.
Actually no! He's never hidden the fact that he doesn't like her. But he's left Clem to make her own decisions with Jane. Jane outright trie… mores to brainwash Clem into thinking Kenny is a bad guy. And provokes him...nd keeps provoking until she finally gets a violent reaction.
And I'd like to think that most of you here would act the way he did when he thoughts she'd killed a baby. Or would you just let it go?
I am intrigued though. How do you think he provoked Jane?
Well thats the problem with Kenny fans, you dont think rationally, you act on silly things called emotions. People like you would end up dead in the walking dead universe. Jane on and my Clem on the other hand, are perfect survivors.
ps. i would leave a baby behind if i was in that situation.
I think both endings where you leave with either Jane or Kenny are interesting and can reveal different sides of your Clem's personality. I … morepicked the ending with Kenny and when I think about it, it's probably a good thing for the baby because he knows how to take care of him. But Jane doesn't like babies and she wouldn't know how to take care of it and Clem is just a child so it might be difficult for her to take care of him all on her own (even in the alone ending). I also didn't like how Jane tries to convince Clem to abandon Kenny when he's not in the car, she wants Clem to betray someone.
Also my Clem never killed anyone, she didn't kill the stranger, she didn't shoot Lee, so I didn't want her to kill someone that isn't a walker.
I'm fairly certain that viewing Jane's character as simply "only Jane matters" is wrong.
And it becomes really hard to fit with her actions, especially when a view of her character as undergoing changes fits so much better.
She starts of as a loner, slowly evolving into a person who (once again) can bond with others.
I didn't feel like Jane only came back because she wants to possess Clem. She might need her as an anchor for her development, but Clem could use Jane around as well. I feel like their a perfect match - Clem to keep things in a social perspective, Jane to provide a more skilled survival talent.
I understand exactly what you're saying. It does make sense that she came back for her sake and not Clem's. After I read your comment I imme… morediately thought of the moment when Clem and Jane crashed the truck when the zombies showed up. The first thing Jane did was take the baby and hopped out the truck. She looked back at Clem, said get out of there and left. She didn't seem too concerned. Now I'm actualy kinda glad I stuck with Jane. I can't wait to see what type of twisted character she might end up becoming in season 3.
I swear to Christ if I read 1 more god damned post about Jane doing wrong and Kenny being a saint, or Kenny being a murderer and Jane being correct, that takes 20 minutes to read in what I could write in a few seconds, I'm gonna burst. "Jane sucks, Kenny was a good friend and not crazy. He was doing what we'd all do in that situation, Jane is nuts and provoked him!" This is every thread on the forum nowadays, can't we just talk about the fantastic writing and superb story? The tough choices and intense moments? Where are all the threads about how good the game is, od knows we desperately need some!
I'm fairly certain that viewing Jane's character as simply "only Jane matters" is wrong.
And it becomes really hard to fit with her actio… morens, especially when a view of her character as undergoing changes fits so much better.
She starts of as a loner, slowly evolving into a person who (once again) can bond with others.
I didn't feel like Jane only came back because she wants to possess Clem. She might need her as an anchor for her development, but Clem could use Jane around as well. I feel like their a perfect match - Clem to keep things in a social perspective, Jane to provide a more skilled survival talent.
Well... I did like the game, but it was far inferior to season 1 in my eyes, and a lot of that is due to Kenny returning.
He simply took up too much time and space for other characters to be fleshed out enough. "Oh I wonder how Carlos will react to Sarah ... oh Kenny did something that we have to deal with, great".
I know people really like Kenny... I really fucking hate him. I hated him in season 1, and I was so fucking sad in season 2 when he showed back up. Had it been some other guy who was a bit like Kenny, I would probably have played the game a lot differently, but since it was Kenny there was no other options but doing whatever seemed most likely to get Kenny to dislike me and/or to get him killed.
I'm glad that I can now be certain he won't be showing up in my season 3!
(And yes - it is quite stupid that my commentary on the entire season revolves around Kenny - but that is how much he filled up the season, and how much I disliked every time I had to deal with him)
I swear to Christ if I read 1 more god damned post about Jane doing wrong and Kenny being a saint, or Kenny being a murderer and Jane being … morecorrect, that takes 20 minutes to read in what I could write in a few seconds, I'm gonna burst. "Jane sucks, Kenny was a good friend and not crazy. He was doing what we'd all do in that situation, Jane is nuts and provoked him!" This is every thread on the forum nowadays, can't we just talk about the fantastic writing and superb story? The tough choices and intense moments? Where are all the threads about how good the game is, od knows we desperately need some!
What she did was messed up, I agree. I felt betrayed when I learned that she'd orchestrated the whole thing. I shot Kenny because he attacke… mored her when she put the knife down (also, I play the games straight, so I didn't know the whole story at the time, just that something weird was going on).
I totally see where you are coming from. I agree he took up too much screentime and overshadowed other characters, but still, I adored the game, especially the last 2 episodes. (Yes, I loved Amid the Ruins, don't hate plz), but it was too Kenny-centered. That reason was why my favorite scene from the whole walking dead, is when the group gathers around the fire and talk about Luke's Birthday. It had equal screentime for everyone, and I loved it. The dialogue, the acting, the characters felt likable, more so than before, it was just a good scene.
Well... I did like the game, but it was far inferior to season 1 in my eyes, and a lot of that is due to Kenny returning.
He simply took … moreup too much time and space for other characters to be fleshed out enough. "Oh I wonder how Carlos will react to Sarah ... oh Kenny did something that we have to deal with, great".
I know people really like Kenny... I really fucking hate him. I hated him in season 1, and I was so fucking sad in season 2 when he showed back up. Had it been some other guy who was a bit like Kenny, I would probably have played the game a lot differently, but since it was Kenny there was no other options but doing whatever seemed most likely to get Kenny to dislike me and/or to get him killed.
I'm glad that I can now be certain he won't be showing up in my season 3!
(And yes - it is quite stupid that my commentary on the entire season revolves around Kenny - but that is how much he filled up the season, and how much I disliked every time I had to deal with him)
Well... I did like the game, but it was far inferior to season 1 in my eyes, and a lot of that is due to Kenny returning.
He simply took … moreup too much time and space for other characters to be fleshed out enough. "Oh I wonder how Carlos will react to Sarah ... oh Kenny did something that we have to deal with, great".
I know people really like Kenny... I really fucking hate him. I hated him in season 1, and I was so fucking sad in season 2 when he showed back up. Had it been some other guy who was a bit like Kenny, I would probably have played the game a lot differently, but since it was Kenny there was no other options but doing whatever seemed most likely to get Kenny to dislike me and/or to get him killed.
I'm glad that I can now be certain he won't be showing up in my season 3!
(And yes - it is quite stupid that my commentary on the entire season revolves around Kenny - but that is how much he filled up the season, and how much I disliked every time I had to deal with him)
I'm neither a Jane lover or a Kenny hater. I just couldn't sit there and let murder happen.
I would 100% say the exact same thing if it was Jane trying to kill Kenny in blind rage.
jane tried to kill kenny too,they had same chance for that!!!!!
you shot kenny so you let your clem to become these:
friend killer bec… moreause he was your best friend(you could realize it from their speaking language)
murderer(the worst thing for clem)
betrayer(kenny just had clem and AJ,they were his family)
now what do you want to do with jane??,she ignores new people and she is solitary woman.
i think telltale should make " starved for help 2 " for those who saved jane!!!!!
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lol this seems to be the argument eh.
I sided with Jane.. I clearly hate Kenny.
We cant have a middle ground at all? I can't like Kenny but hate what he was turning into?
Kenny is dangerous, not because he would purposefully hurt Clem and AJ, but because he doesn't think through and is violent towards everyone else. Clem got shot because of Kenny, that's how dangerous he is.
His actions scared everyone else so much that they chose to leave in the night rather than face a violent man that can't be reasoned with. And if Clem hadn't been awake, instead of shot she'd have been left with no supplies and no car. Way to go Kenny. Really taking good care of Clem and AJ there.
That is why Jane wants to get away from Kenny. Because he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions, and not thinking puts Clem at risk.
Knowing that someone can be pushed is exactly the reason to not associate with that person. Arvo "pushed" Kenny by taking him exactly where he said he would take them, and got the shit kicked out of him in return. Kenny is "pushed" whenever people don't agree with him, and you spend half the season playing peacekeeper because Kenny won't ever remain calm.
So I guess the Jane haters condone what Kenny did.
Yeah well Kenny is a stereotypical redneck American, from Florida...
What she did was messed up, I agree. I felt betrayed when I learned that she'd orchestrated the whole thing. I shot Kenny because he attacked her when she put the knife down (also, I play the games straight, so I didn't know the whole story at the time, just that something weird was going on).
Kenny wanted Duck 2.0.
Twice. He saw Clem as a replacement for Duck, and the baby as a replacement for him so he can try to be a better parent.
By that logic, it's all selfish. Kenny only cares about the baby because it gives HIM another chance. The same as Jane, arguably.
Kenny wants to leave Ben behind...
So was I! We toads think alike! But I played Clem as someone who always sees the best in people and give them a 2nd chance. I was furious with Jane but I forgave her. Because thats just how my Clem is. Just like I was pissed off at the cabin group at the start of the season for locking me in a shed and make me suffer through a dog bite. But these new people quickly grew on me.
To mirror others' posts:
I guess the Jane haters condone what Kenny did.
I'm a Jane fan (although I agree that the whole situation at the end was wrong of her to do), and I don't hate Kenny.
I don't like him, either. I think he is a guy that has good intentions, for the most part, but just can't cope with the difficulties of the ZA. As Walter said, the ZA is more political than any time before. Political in the sense that you need to be able to understand people, and learn how to get along with them. You no longer have an entire society working to keep things going while you do your own thing, oblivious to everyone else. You have to interact with every member of your group, which will form their opinions of you, and your survival may well depend on those opinions.
Kenny couldn't get that. He antagonized people, and destabilized every situation. He refused to think of the consequences of his actions. He's the reason Clem got shot, despite his efforts to protect her. But I don't hate him for it, because his intentions were reasonable. He's just a flawed person, not a bad one.
Nah, not all of us. Both of them did shitty things.
That's not my point. The guy I was replying to had said Jane NEVER killed anyone, regardless of wronging her or not.
I'm neither a Jane lover or a Kenny hater. I just couldn't sit there and let murder happen.
I would 100% say the exact same thing if it was Jane trying to kill Kenny in blind rage.
Wake up Sheeple! Jane manipulated you!
Is that how you start out a discussion, with insults? Why should I listen to what you have to say when you can't be mature?
Are you me? This feels like something I would say!
Hey! This is plagiarism!
apologist????
carver planned for what he did.what kenny did was in a moment.jane tried to kill kenny too but she hadn't enough chance
don't tell me she didn't try, that i'll get that you haven't played the game just for 1 hour
ummm. what?
That was the whole fucking point... She wanted Clem to see what Kenny is capable of and that it isnt safe to be around him.
no, jane riders are the one taking things serious.
MMM this guy on Youtube is just too much. I'm not even being serious anymore.
INORITE!
if jane knew that,she wouldn't be dead.
arvo cause luke death,do you want to ignore it???
are you arvo apologist????he tricked the group and......(i hope you played the game)
She doesnt try to brainwash into thinking Kenny is a bad guy, She set up situation where Kenny showed that he is a bad guy. Obviously her original plan was to convince Clementine to come with her, but she didnt know that Kenny would get so violent so it became fight to the end.
Defending Kenny is like defending Lilly. Both (tried)/murdered someone based on feelings, not facts.
Well thats the problem with Kenny fans, you dont think rationally, you act on silly things called emotions. People like you would end up dead in the walking dead universe. Jane on and my Clem on the other hand, are perfect survivors.
ps. i would leave a baby behind if i was in that situation.
so you let lee to become a walker!!!!
I'm fairly certain that viewing Jane's character as simply "only Jane matters" is wrong.
And it becomes really hard to fit with her actions, especially when a view of her character as undergoing changes fits so much better.
She starts of as a loner, slowly evolving into a person who (once again) can bond with others.
I didn't feel like Jane only came back because she wants to possess Clem. She might need her as an anchor for her development, but Clem could use Jane around as well. I feel like their a perfect match - Clem to keep things in a social perspective, Jane to provide a more skilled survival talent.
I swear to Christ if I read 1 more god damned post about Jane doing wrong and Kenny being a saint, or Kenny being a murderer and Jane being correct, that takes 20 minutes to read in what I could write in a few seconds, I'm gonna burst. "Jane sucks, Kenny was a good friend and not crazy. He was doing what we'd all do in that situation, Jane is nuts and provoked him!" This is every thread on the forum nowadays, can't we just talk about the fantastic writing and superb story? The tough choices and intense moments? Where are all the threads about how good the game is, od knows we desperately need some!
Jane says that Clementine is 90% of the reason she came back, so Clem is pretty much the only person she cares about in the game.
I think thats a good way to look at it. They help each other, Clem with socializing and Jane with survival.
Well... I did like the game, but it was far inferior to season 1 in my eyes, and a lot of that is due to Kenny returning.
He simply took up too much time and space for other characters to be fleshed out enough. "Oh I wonder how Carlos will react to Sarah ... oh Kenny did something that we have to deal with, great".
I know people really like Kenny... I really fucking hate him. I hated him in season 1, and I was so fucking sad in season 2 when he showed back up. Had it been some other guy who was a bit like Kenny, I would probably have played the game a lot differently, but since it was Kenny there was no other options but doing whatever seemed most likely to get Kenny to dislike me and/or to get him killed.
I'm glad that I can now be certain he won't be showing up in my season 3!
(And yes - it is quite stupid that my commentary on the entire season revolves around Kenny - but that is how much he filled up the season, and how much I disliked every time I had to deal with him)
JANE FRIENDZONED LUKE SHE IS EVIL
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
THE ALMIGHT FEDORA WILL SAID YOUR MENTALLY ILL MINDS STRAIGHT
jane tried to kill kenny too,they had same chance for that!!!!!
you shot kenny so you let your clem to become these:
friend killer because he was your best friend(you could realize it from their speaking language)
murderer(the worst thing for clem)
betrayer(kenny just had clem and AJ,they were his family)
now what do you want to do with jane??,she ignores new people and she is solitary woman.
i think telltale should make " starved for help 2 " for those who saved jane!!!!!
I totally see where you are coming from. I agree he took up too much screentime and overshadowed other characters, but still, I adored the game, especially the last 2 episodes. (Yes, I loved Amid the Ruins, don't hate plz), but it was too Kenny-centered. That reason was why my favorite scene from the whole walking dead, is when the group gathers around the fire and talk about Luke's Birthday. It had equal screentime for everyone, and I loved it. The dialogue, the acting, the characters felt likable, more so than before, it was just a good scene.
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if you loved kenny you wouldn't do that.
it wasn't a choice,it was a test for your loyalty.
Than why did he thank me for stopping him?
Sorry but you're not going to guilt me into feeling bad for stopping Kenny from killing someone else.