No, I don't condone what she did at all. She was right about Kenny, though. He murdered her for something that was a complete and utter accident in the middle of a storm and a walker attack, for all he knew. Jane's crazy plan and refusal to tell Kenny the baby was alive was neither here nor there when it comes to what Kenny did. People use that as an excuse but then I ask you this: if it truly had been an accident and the baby had gotten killed, would you condone Kenny killing Jane? She wouldn't have been able to just tell him the baby was alive in that case. Hindsight is 20/20, after all. It's easy to go back after knowing what she did and say Kenny was justified.
But she didn't have to do that to convince me of how dangerous Kenny was, I already knew. I was jumping at the chance to leave him. I wish there was a way to break them up and tell them both to f**k off and go it alone.
ok you just play it all last night so you clearly dont really get it. and played it before A WHOLE lot. and who did he get killed???? that chick that was basically dead?? let me guess lily??? or how about ben???? I thik those were my, OUR choices.
Kenny already took Duck to safety, but he didnt come back to help Lee save Shawn. What about all the other people Kenny has gotten killed? D… moreont they mean anything to you Kenny fans?
Kenny is just huge prick
ps. i played both seasons last night and it only made me hate him more. Maybe you should too, so you remember how fucking annoying he was in season 1, before he became violent maniac.
I swear to Christ if I read 1 more god damned post about Jane doing wrong and Kenny being a saint, or Kenny being a murderer and Jane being … morecorrect, that takes 20 minutes to read in what I could write in a few seconds, I'm gonna burst. "Jane sucks, Kenny was a good friend and not crazy. He was doing what we'd all do in that situation, Jane is nuts and provoked him!" This is every thread on the forum nowadays, can't we just talk about the fantastic writing and superb story? The tough choices and intense moments? Where are all the threads about how good the game is, od knows we desperately need some!
Totally agree. Kenny was dangerous-even in season 1 he was unstable. I'm not saying that cause I don't like him, I did like him, but he went through some horrible stuff and it changed him, and not for the better. EVERYONE was terrified of him in the group, even me! He was going to get every killed, everyone that is except for AJ and Clem.
I shot him in the end, and it broke my heart to do it. I even told him it was my fault, I should have looked after him more, stopped him from being so brash. I stayed with Jane as well.
Though after playing it again, I have to admit that the ending at Wellington with Kenny was the better ending, but if it was me (which I try and make my first runs to be) I would have stopped him killing Jane (I wish there was an ending were you could go looking for Wellington with/without Jane). But I would, and did, stop Kenny killing Jane.
No, I don't condone what she did at all. She was right about Kenny, though. He murdered her for something that was a complete and utter acci… moredent in the middle of a storm and a walker attack, for all he knew. Jane's crazy plan and refusal to tell Kenny the baby was alive was neither here nor there when it comes to what Kenny did. People use that as an excuse but then I ask you this: if it truly had been an accident and the baby had gotten killed, would you condone Kenny killing Jane? She wouldn't have been able to just tell him the baby was alive in that case. Hindsight is 20/20, after all. It's easy to go back after knowing what she did and say Kenny was justified.
But she didn't have to do that to convince me of how dangerous Kenny was, I already knew. I was jumping at the chance to leave him. I wish there was a way to break them up and tell them both to f**k off and go it alone.
I mean obviously she knew Kenny would get violent (that was the whole point of provoking kenny), she just didnt expect fight to the death. All she wanted was to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around, so Clem would come with Jane instead. And i dont really care about the plot she had, because i knew in the first place that she was up to something (and i dont really give a shit about the baby anyway). I knew from the start of episode 5 that i must put kenny down, because of the way he behaved and treated others.
I cant understand how people can just ignore all the shit Kenny has done over these 10 episodes. He gets people killed several times and gets mad at ANYONE who doesnt agree with him, even if its his best friend. Kenny fans must have no real friends, since they dont know how real friends behave.
cuz your point is wrong moron, "she didn't know Kenny would get this violent" uhh yeah she fucking did she did that FOR THAT EXACTLY. all t… morehat shit was just to prove a "point" everyone gets blinded by Kenny hate they don't see the shit for what it really is. she tricked EVERYONE. even after they crashed or slid the truck he fuckin asked jane if she was ok, when he could've just jumped to say " IT'S AJ OK" not giving a shit about jane. even though that's not a lot, it shows that he still had, or still had little conscious of caring for her, even if it was a tiny bit. and what does jane do, oh lets fucking leave right away he is out of the truck lets leave. and don't bring that bullshit that im blind because im a Kenny fan, guess what I wanted to shoot him first, I didn't play it first cuz TT fucked me on that one but that's another shit, I was yelling to stop Kenny option, I couldn't see well on the screen and I was too focus on the fight, bu… [view original content]
Oh, sorry, didn't catch the post you were replying to. My bad. Yeah, it's clear she had killed people before, just not someone that wasn't a threat to her.
Carver, very much like kenny, didnt act rationally. They were maniac dictators. Carver killed a man for silly mistake which wasnt even that big deal. And Kenny had caused so many deaths also. Kenny didnt give a shit about other people, he only cared about himself and people very close to him. He didnt care about ben, omid, crista, random lady surrounded by walkers, Alvin, Larry, Walter, Jane and the list goes on... Problem with Kenny fans, is that they are blind to all the shit Kenny has done. (and i dont think any sane person would be on kennys side, after getting all the facts straight)
If you side with Kenny, you side Lilly and all the idiots who murder others for no rational reason.
I thought it was pretty funny, and I'm from Russia. It's really not that big of a deal, people who are freaking out over this "racism" are blowing it out of proportion tbh.
Lets not forget he's clearly a racist.
The "urban" bit I could slide but all the "commie asshole" insults he threw at Arvo were very clear. People find it funny apparently.
Kenny already took Duck to safety, but he didnt come back to help Lee save Shawn. What about all the other people Kenny has gotten killed? D… moreont they mean anything to you Kenny fans?
Kenny is just huge prick
ps. i played both seasons last night and it only made me hate him more. Maybe you should too, so you remember how fucking annoying he was in season 1, before he became violent maniac.
I think it's clear how Jane is trying to manipulate Clem into going against Kenny. We can sense how she's trying to provoke Kenny just to prove a point, even going far as to using baby AJ as bait. In my playthrough, I already saw right through her when she brought out her knife again and even shoved Clem after she went in between. She really wanted Kenny dead.
BEST FUCKING PICTURE EVER!!!!!! Those of you who have lost Kenny's trust in Season 1 must not know how to make decisions! Kenny was the only one I trusted and that trust went both ways!
Yup. Kenny was very eager to abandon people in season 1. Only reason he didn't leave everyone else at the motor inn was because the bandits attacked forcing them all to leave.
lol this seems to be the argument eh.
I sided with Jane.. I clearly hate Kenny.
We cant have a middle ground at all? I can't like Kenny but hate what he was turning into?
Sorry, but Jane was my best friend, not Kenny. No way I was going to let Kenny kill her without her explaining herself.
Kenny chose to at… moretack a person who had a knife, after that person put the knife down. Kenny is stronger than Jane, and they both knew it. There's a reason why Kenny waits until Jane put the knife away and let go of the handle to charge, and that's because they both knew that the knife was her only chance of coming out on top.
What was Jane supposed to do? Let Kenny grab her and do whatever he wanted with her? Her choices were to be at Kenny's "mercy" or use the knife, and once the fight started neither one was going to back down or think calmly. You can't have a conversation with someone that is swinging at you. Since Kenny started the fight, he's the one I'm going to stop.
Also, if you do nothing, Jane will welcome the family at Howe's so your point that she ignores new people and is solitary is demonstrably wrong. Being around Clem helped her grow and learn to trust people again.
I think these are pretty unfair judgements of Jane.
She's constantly telling her Kenny is dangerous because he keeps doing dangerous shit and disagreeing and arguing with everyone. Its always the main problem in the group, its the thing that needs to be addressed most. In the car, Kenny was being just as much of an asshole, even more so considering he started it (as he always does) by dismissing Jane's idea and berating her for having free thought. Lastly, why the hell would anyone think Jane killed the baby? Its only Kenny is so fucked in the head, he feels that its suddenly a good idea to kill Jane if the baby were to die.
How the hell could you believe that Kenny actually that Jane wanted the fight? She was on the defensive from the beginning, he attacked her.
Kenny's plans and ideas are always sound? Youve lost me entirely.
The thing I hate most about S2 are the Kenny endings, because apparently the lesson learned here is the guy that yells the loudest and disrespects other peoples opinions the most is the one thats right.
Yes... That makes perfect sense. Piss off a man bigger than her and a good 80 pounds heavier than her so she can kill him.
Why didn't she just slit his throat in his sleep and say walkers go him?
Yeah but he pointed out the obvious. To call someone a fag because you don't like their favorite character? That's just too much. This guy must have been madly in love with Kenny.
I think it's clear how Jane is trying to manipulate Clem into going against Kenny. We can sense how she's trying to provoke Kenny just to pr… moreove a point, even going far as to using baby AJ as bait. In my playthrough, I already saw right through her when she brought out her knife again and even shoved Clem after she went in between. She really wanted Kenny dead.
You were obviously not listening to the argument in the truck, Kenny is the one who insulted Jane heavily first, therefore she backfired by talking about his family. Killing is never right no matter what! Did you ever think of Kenny doing the things he did for his own selfish agendas?
If you were being pinned to a glass frame and possible being choked, wouldn't you use a weapon if you had one? You wouldn't know what you'd do unless you actually get into the exact same situation. So you're saying that just because one used a weapon that the fight couldn't have been ended? Either of them could've tried to end the fight, but obviously neither of them refused to do so. Daryl got shot in the head by Andrea, how did he react? You think either Jane or Kenny wanted to do so? They both try to tell Clementine that they never meant for the other to get killed. There're no mistakes in a decision if you think before you act, at least not for me. I actually see your points and understand them, but I can't agree when you automatically seem to think that Kenny is the better individual, without thinking of Jane's experiences and possible intentions.
Oh so now if someone has a knife which they stab you with you won't try to take it away and turn it on them? He doesn't choke her, he pins h… moreer with his arm. It appears they're struggling over the knife at that point. I don't know Kenny's intentions 100%, but if I were in that situation I know for damn sure I'd try to take that knife away from her, whether I was going to fight her or not. And yes he did have to kill her. As soon as she slashed him with the knife it was over. One of them had to die in order for the other to be safe. C'mon you'd think they'd just let the other walk away? People kill each other in the zombie apocalypse just for simply knowing someone's base location, this is worse. You can't expect to stab someone and not have them try to kill you in ANY situation. If she really expected him to back off and not fight her, when she put the knife away like you said, then she didn't think he was actually going to kill her and thus s… [view original content]
Arvo didn't kill anyone, it was evident that he may have been forced and that he felt guilt for bringing his group over, they may have only bumped into the group accidentally and devised from that point. He played a part in the death of his comrades, yes, but so did Clementine's group, in fact, Clementine's group are the ones that kill all the Russians except for Arvo. As for Luke, he could've gone down even with his leg fixed, Luke's death can be blamed upon Clementine or Bonnie as they are the ones who broke the ice and caused Luke to drown.
yes he did. he brought all those Russians to the group. he has all those fuckers blood, including her sister, and luke, cuz that limited lukes mobility and basically didn't say about a way around.
Are you stupid?
What part of locking a newborn baby in a car that only you know the location to in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm d… moreuring a Zombie apocalypse, then proceeding to instigate a fight for no good reason which will probably end up with you being killed if you lose is not putting the baby in danger? Nothing about that is sensible and I like Jane, but Jesus...man.
BEST FUCKING PICTURE EVER!!!!!! Those of you who have lost Kenny's trust in Season 1 must not know how to make decisions! Kenny was the only one I trusted and that trust went both ways!
Arvo didn't kill anyone, it was evident that he may have been forced and that he felt guilt for bringing his group over, they may have only … morebumped into the group accidentally and devised from that point. He played a part in the death of his comrades, yes, but so did Clementine's group, in fact, Clementine's group are the ones that kill all the Russians except for Arvo. As for Luke, he could've gone down even with his leg fixed, Luke's death can be blamed upon Clementine or Bonnie as they are the ones who broke the ice and caused Luke to drown.
Well she firts tryed to defense herself. And even if it happend in a moment, doesnt make it right man.
So it seems u had no problem with Lilly killing Carley? or Carver killing Reggie? Or The stranger killing Lee?
Arvo didn't cause Luke's death. Bad luck, the walkers, poor survival skills and Bonnie killed Luke.
Ice is treacherous under the best of … morecircumstances. Lots of people in the real world die because ice they thought was safe turned out not to be. It's hard to judge when ice can safely be crossed. There's no reason to believe Arvo knew the ice was too thin. In fact, it wasn't, since everyone but Luke had no trouble. Had the ice been really dangerous, more people would have fallen through.
Luke still could have pulled out if the walkers hadn't been adding to the pressure to move quickly. And had Bonnie not moved closer to try and help, but stayed back and covered him as he asked, he might have had time enough to pull himself clear. And if the whole group had crawled through the ice, which is a safer way to cross ice you're not sure about, instead of walking upright, it wouldn't have broken in the first place.
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But, as she tells him in no uncertain terms, she will not back down from him.
She'll escalate it as far as Kenny wishes, because she wants to show Clem all that Kenny is (though it's not like we needed that option, we just needed a previous option to abandon Kenny, because we already knew these things - or at least I did).
I think it's clear how Jane is trying to manipulate Clem into going against Kenny. We can sense how she's trying to provoke Kenny just to pr… moreove a point, even going far as to using baby AJ as bait. In my playthrough, I already saw right through her when she brought out her knife again and even shoved Clem after she went in between. She really wanted Kenny dead.
I think these are pretty unfair judgements of Jane.
She's constantly telling her Kenny is dangerous because he keeps doing dangerous shit… more and disagreeing and arguing with everyone. Its always the main problem in the group, its the thing that needs to be addressed most. In the car, Kenny was being just as much of an asshole, even more so considering he started it (as he always does) by dismissing Jane's idea and berating her for having free thought. Lastly, why the hell would anyone think Jane killed the baby? Its only Kenny is so fucked in the head, he feels that its suddenly a good idea to kill Jane if the baby were to die.
How the hell could you believe that Kenny actually that Jane wanted the fight? She was on the defensive from the beginning, he attacked her.
Kenny's plans and ideas are always sound? Youve lost me entirely.
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she did that because she had to,she was close to clem,why won't she do that???
arvo was running,some one had to stop him,kenny did it.it could be a trap for the group.who trusts a liar???
arvo tricked the group for once and kenny tried to prevent it to happen again,is it bad????
This is only a tiny... Tiny portion of what he said to me. And when I called him out on his insults he took that as "I'm clearly winning" He just wouldn't let up. Just a tiny taste of what me as someone who happens to like Jane can expect from the internet.
Yeah but he pointed out the obvious. To call someone a fag because you don't like their favorite character? That's just too much. This guy must have been madly in love with Kenny.
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No, I don't condone what she did at all. She was right about Kenny, though. He murdered her for something that was a complete and utter accident in the middle of a storm and a walker attack, for all he knew. Jane's crazy plan and refusal to tell Kenny the baby was alive was neither here nor there when it comes to what Kenny did. People use that as an excuse but then I ask you this: if it truly had been an accident and the baby had gotten killed, would you condone Kenny killing Jane? She wouldn't have been able to just tell him the baby was alive in that case. Hindsight is 20/20, after all. It's easy to go back after knowing what she did and say Kenny was justified.
But she didn't have to do that to convince me of how dangerous Kenny was, I already knew. I was jumping at the chance to leave him. I wish there was a way to break them up and tell them both to f**k off and go it alone.
ok you just play it all last night so you clearly dont really get it. and played it before A WHOLE lot. and who did he get killed???? that chick that was basically dead?? let me guess lily??? or how about ben???? I thik those were my, OUR choices.
he has a point though.
he has a point though.
you shouldn't be on this forum...if it drives you mad like "kenny."
Totally agree. Kenny was dangerous-even in season 1 he was unstable. I'm not saying that cause I don't like him, I did like him, but he went through some horrible stuff and it changed him, and not for the better. EVERYONE was terrified of him in the group, even me! He was going to get every killed, everyone that is except for AJ and Clem.
I shot him in the end, and it broke my heart to do it. I even told him it was my fault, I should have looked after him more, stopped him from being so brash. I stayed with Jane as well.
Though after playing it again, I have to admit that the ending at Wellington with Kenny was the better ending, but if it was me (which I try and make my first runs to be) I would have stopped him killing Jane (I wish there was an ending were you could go looking for Wellington with/without Jane). But I would, and did, stop Kenny killing Jane.
I mean obviously she knew Kenny would get violent (that was the whole point of provoking kenny), she just didnt expect fight to the death. All she wanted was to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around, so Clem would come with Jane instead. And i dont really care about the plot she had, because i knew in the first place that she was up to something (and i dont really give a shit about the baby anyway). I knew from the start of episode 5 that i must put kenny down, because of the way he behaved and treated others.
I cant understand how people can just ignore all the shit Kenny has done over these 10 episodes. He gets people killed several times and gets mad at ANYONE who doesnt agree with him, even if its his best friend. Kenny fans must have no real friends, since they dont know how real friends behave.
No worries, everyone makes mistakes
Carver, very much like kenny, didnt act rationally. They were maniac dictators. Carver killed a man for silly mistake which wasnt even that big deal. And Kenny had caused so many deaths also. Kenny didnt give a shit about other people, he only cared about himself and people very close to him. He didnt care about ben, omid, crista, random lady surrounded by walkers, Alvin, Larry, Walter, Jane and the list goes on... Problem with Kenny fans, is that they are blind to all the shit Kenny has done. (and i dont think any sane person would be on kennys side, after getting all the facts straight)
If you side with Kenny, you side Lilly and all the idiots who murder others for no rational reason.
I thought it was pretty funny, and I'm from Russia. It's really not that big of a deal, people who are freaking out over this "racism" are blowing it out of proportion tbh.
You must have a lot of time on your hands to play both seasons in one day.:/
I think it's clear how Jane is trying to manipulate Clem into going against Kenny. We can sense how she's trying to provoke Kenny just to prove a point, even going far as to using baby AJ as bait. In my playthrough, I already saw right through her when she brought out her knife again and even shoved Clem after she went in between. She really wanted Kenny dead.
But he protects you better than Jane would!
He needed to, I happy that he ended up taking it out on Jane and killing her!
Because he's right
BEST FUCKING PICTURE EVER!!!!!! Those of you who have lost Kenny's trust in Season 1 must not know how to make decisions! Kenny was the only one I trusted and that trust went both ways!
Jane only cares about herself. Um that's not exactly friendship!
IKR!!! It was all middle ground for me.
I swear if you can watch the Kenny endings at Wellington without getting sad then you have no fucking heart!
Let's just see where Jane takes you in season 3 while my Clem and AJ are safe in Wellington thanks to Kenny's sacrifice to keep us safe!
brussel sprouts are good when cooked right.
I think these are pretty unfair judgements of Jane.
She's constantly telling her Kenny is dangerous because he keeps doing dangerous shit and disagreeing and arguing with everyone. Its always the main problem in the group, its the thing that needs to be addressed most. In the car, Kenny was being just as much of an asshole, even more so considering he started it (as he always does) by dismissing Jane's idea and berating her for having free thought. Lastly, why the hell would anyone think Jane killed the baby? Its only Kenny is so fucked in the head, he feels that its suddenly a good idea to kill Jane if the baby were to die.
How the hell could you believe that Kenny actually that Jane wanted the fight? She was on the defensive from the beginning, he attacked her.
Kenny's plans and ideas are always sound? Youve lost me entirely.
The thing I hate most about S2 are the Kenny endings, because apparently the lesson learned here is the guy that yells the loudest and disrespects other peoples opinions the most is the one thats right.
Thats actually what I thought when she asked for forgiveness. That fight was a huge risk and waste of energy to get rid of Kenny
Yeah but he pointed out the obvious. To call someone a fag because you don't like their favorite character? That's just too much. This guy must have been madly in love with Kenny.
Yeah now that you mentioned it that makes sense.
True.
You were obviously not listening to the argument in the truck, Kenny is the one who insulted Jane heavily first, therefore she backfired by talking about his family. Killing is never right no matter what! Did you ever think of Kenny doing the things he did for his own selfish agendas?
If you were being pinned to a glass frame and possible being choked, wouldn't you use a weapon if you had one? You wouldn't know what you'd do unless you actually get into the exact same situation. So you're saying that just because one used a weapon that the fight couldn't have been ended? Either of them could've tried to end the fight, but obviously neither of them refused to do so. Daryl got shot in the head by Andrea, how did he react? You think either Jane or Kenny wanted to do so? They both try to tell Clementine that they never meant for the other to get killed. There're no mistakes in a decision if you think before you act, at least not for me. I actually see your points and understand them, but I can't agree when you automatically seem to think that Kenny is the better individual, without thinking of Jane's experiences and possible intentions.
Arvo didn't kill anyone, it was evident that he may have been forced and that he felt guilt for bringing his group over, they may have only bumped into the group accidentally and devised from that point. He played a part in the death of his comrades, yes, but so did Clementine's group, in fact, Clementine's group are the ones that kill all the Russians except for Arvo. As for Luke, he could've gone down even with his leg fixed, Luke's death can be blamed upon Clementine or Bonnie as they are the ones who broke the ice and caused Luke to drown.
Got a good laugh out of this. You're absolutely right about how dangerous what she did was.
I have played season 1 3 times. 2 of which i have sided on Kenny on EVERYTHING.
still he goes... "You haven't done anything for me lately" and not coming to help find Clem.
Selective memory at its best folks! Its clearly my fault for losing Kenny's trust!
Yeah thats why she left Clem drowning in a lake and didn't help her get warm with a fire while everyone else was arguing or beating up Russians.
Fuck no that shit is on that bitch bonnie
she tried to defend her self with knife,the knife belonged to jane,she took out it.
kenny with his bare hand vs jane with her knife,is it fare???
i left lilly,i saw carver's death,clem killed the stranger(the zombie attacked lee not stranger)
arvo caused that indirectly,maybe he(luke) could pull out him self,if he hadn't a bullet in his leg.
Jane did not necessarily want to kill Kenny.
But, as she tells him in no uncertain terms, she will not back down from him.
She'll escalate it as far as Kenny wishes, because she wants to show Clem all that Kenny is (though it's not like we needed that option, we just needed a previous option to abandon Kenny, because we already knew these things - or at least I did).
If I could like your post twice I would!
she did that because she had to,she was close to clem,why won't she do that???
arvo was running,some one had to stop him,kenny did it.it could be a trap for the group.who trusts a liar???
arvo tricked the group for once and kenny tried to prevent it to happen again,is it bad????
This is only a tiny... Tiny portion of what he said to me. And when I called him out on his insults he took that as "I'm clearly winning" He just wouldn't let up. Just a tiny taste of what me as someone who happens to like Jane can expect from the internet.
you mean that you loved jane instead of kenny,ok, no problem.
the test was for kenny lovers