she did that because she had to,she was close to clem,why won't she do that???
arvo was running,some one had to stop him,kenny did it.it … morecould be a trap for the group.who trusts a liar???
arvo tricked the group for once and kenny tried to prevent it to happen again,is it bad????
the first episode of season 3 is "starved for help 2" for those who stuck with jane and at the end of the episode there are 3 choices for clem :
1-[eat jane]
2-[eat aj]
3-[shoot your self]
before that situation,clem had several chances to contact several people that they would help her,but jane always didn't allow her to do that.
and jane prefered to be isolated from everyone that caused the shitty situation for clem.
i think i spoiled every thing for jane lovers ,ohhhh,i'm so sorry guys
So you're saying it wasn't Kenny's fault that Jane even thought about leaving Kenny? Remember that Jane thought Kenny had become too dangerous after nearly beating Arvo to death and bullying him multiple times, which seems to be the main reason Clementine got shot in the first place?
Yes there is a way to go back... that's what rewind is for...
I chose Jane over Kenny, and I liked Kenny more than I liked Jane. I couldn't let Kenny kill Jane, he would've just gone to a darker place... in my opinion, letting one person kill another when you can stop them is a bad decision.
I chose Jane over Kenny, and I liked Kenny more than I liked Jane. I couldn't let Kenny kill Jane, he would've just gone to a darker place... in my opinion, letting one person kill another when you can stop them is a bad decision.
Killing people changes you, Kenny has already been through too much, I don't think killing someone would help him become a better person. As for a family member, I wouldn't know what I'd do in a situation involving someone I was related to. So I am guessing that you would let a good friend kill someone just because they made a mistake?
Shawn - He didnt come to help Lee after Duck was taken to safety
Larry - He didnt hesitate killing Larry, even without knowing if cpr worked
He stole the supplies from the stranger, and indirectly caused the deaths of Ben, Lee and stranger/his family
He wants you to leave that girl to get eaten by walkers
Lilly deserved to be left behind, just like Kenny would have on season 2 episode 5. You cant just go murder someone in anger (the reason Lee was going to prison in season 1 episode 1)
He wants you to kill Ben either by not shooting the walker hanging on the bell tower, or letting go of his hand so he falls to the death and gets eaten. Just like Jane, Ben was Clementines friend and Kenny clearly doesnt care about what Clementine thinks.
Doesnt die on season 1 episode 5 in those impossible situations, killing a little bit of me inside.
Causes Carver to execute Walter and is ready to let Alvin die.
Is ready to murder Jane because she lost the baby, and doesnt even want to hear what happened.
ok you just play it all last night so you clearly dont really get it. and played it before A WHOLE lot. and who did he get killed???? that chick that was basically dead?? let me guess lily??? or how about ben???? I thik those were my, OUR choices.
So Jane should just have let Kenny pummel her to death - or at least to within an inch of her life?
Of course she's going to defend herself! She won't back down from Kenny, and this is why Kenny gets pissed off - he's finally encountered someone who doesn't need him and who won't just take his bullshit!
she tried to defend her self with knife,the knife belonged to jane,she took out it.
kenny with his bare hand vs jane with her knife,is it fare???
i left lilly,i saw carver's death,clem killed the stranger(the zombie attacked lee not stranger)
The saddest part is that if season 3 is meant to take place at Wellington, then I'm almost certain we'll have either a DLC or a quick explanation for why Jane abandoned Clem, and Clem was forced north to Wellington.
Thus undoing all the character development that season 2 did for Jane. Plus we'll have tons of unbearable forum posts going: "HAHAHAHA - I told you Jane was a bitch"... I'm already dreading this.
EDIT: To any TellTale people. If I'm even close to the mark, then at the very least you owe Jane a proper heroic send off! You can't build up her character and then quickly murder it again.
There's a chance, however, that Larry was in a state of reanimation.
He had to steal the supplies from The Stranger, he has his own group and family to look out for. For Ben, he gives Lee a hint, but ultimately it's Lee who can kill Ben, otherwise Kenny will kill him out of mercy. Kenny's plans did play a role in the whole Savannah scenario.
That was just horrible.
I agree that you can't murder someone, but I give people second chances when I feel like they deserve second chances, let's not forget that Ben is the reason Lilly had a mental breakdown and shot Doug/Carley and ended up revealing Lee's secret.
Kenny does have his own selfish agenda, I don't see how he could talk like that about Jane and how he talked about respect.
Sarita is a Survivor and probably pulled a gun out of her magic pocket to save Kenny.
He only cares for Sarita's and Clementine's safety in that scene, he couldn't prevent Walter's death though.
Exactly, people go on about how Jane is bad for making Kenny mad, but they forget the fact that Kenny concludes everything just as quickly.
Well let me write a list then
* Shawn - He didnt come to help Lee after Duck was taken to safety
* Larry - He didnt hesitate killing L… morearry, even without knowing if cpr worked
* He stole the supplies from the stranger, and indirectly caused the deaths of Ben, Lee and stranger/his family
* He wants you to leave that girl to get eaten by walkers
* Lilly deserved to be left behind, just like Kenny would have on season 2 episode 5. You cant just go murder someone in anger (the reason Lee was going to prison in season 1 episode 1)
* He wants you to kill Ben either by not shooting the walker hanging on the bell tower, or letting go of his hand so he falls to the death and gets eaten. Just like Jane, Ben was Clementines friend and Kenny clearly doesnt care about what Clementine thinks.
* Doesnt die on season 1 episode 5 in those impossible situations, killing a little bit of me inside.
* Causes Carver to execute Walter and is ready to let… [view original content]
You were obviously not listening to the argument in the truck, Kenny is the one who insulted Jane heavily first, therefore she backfired by … moretalking about his family. Killing is never right no matter what! Did you ever think of Kenny doing the things he did for his own selfish agendas?
Jane cared about Clem, thats why she did that. She knew they were going to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side. Seeing Kenny as maniac trying to murder her, should have been more than enough.
She thought she could take him head on , and that didn't work so she had to surprise him by slashing him but not hard enough to kill him.
By then i made my decision to side with Kenny and the way she tought about sarah and AJ made that choice easier
She put the knife away so she can slash him later (and she did)
Are you even reading yourself?
She put away her weapon, so she co… moreuld use it?
She only brought it back out, because Kenny charged her. Was she supposed to just let him kill her? Beat her to within an inch of her life?
She told him, that she wouldn't back down, and then she didn't back down. Big fucking surprise!
As i remember, Kenny shot one of Carvers people and that caused him to shoot Walter?
Clem can even warn Kenny that he might kill people if they start shooting, but Kenny just ignores that.
* I agree, he could've helped save Shawn.
* There's a chance, however, that Larry was in a state of reanimation.
* He had to steal the… more supplies from The Stranger, he has his own group and family to look out for. For Ben, he gives Lee a hint, but ultimately it's Lee who can kill Ben, otherwise Kenny will kill him out of mercy. Kenny's plans did play a role in the whole Savannah scenario.
* That was just horrible.
* I agree that you can't murder someone, but I give people second chances when I feel like they deserve second chances, let's not forget that Ben is the reason Lilly had a mental breakdown and shot Doug/Carley and ended up revealing Lee's secret.
* Kenny does have his own selfish agenda, I don't see how he could talk like that about Jane and how he talked about respect.
* Sarita is a Survivor and probably pulled a gun out of her magic pocket to save Kenny.
* He only cares for Sarita's and Clementine's safety in th… [view original content]
She thought she could take him head on , and that didn't work so she had to surprise him by slashing him but not hard enough to kill him.
By then i made my decision to side with Kenny and the way she tought about sarah and AJ made that choice easier
I don't think it's suspicious. Not too many people are going to notice the things that make Jane questionable and I doubt those who blindly follow Kenny are as numerous as they seem on the forums.
Basically every single thing she does in episode 5, she does for Clementine.
If she didn't care about anyone else, she would abandon the group after the lake. Heck, if she didn't give a shit about anyone else why the fuck would she return to the fight and save Kenny's ass?
Basically every single thing she does in episode 5, she does for Clementine.
If she didn't care about anyone else, she would abandon the … moregroup after the lake. Heck, if she didn't give a shit about anyone else why the fuck would she return to the fight and save Kenny's ass?
She thought she could take him head on , and that didn't work so she had to surprise him by slashing him but not hard enough to kill him.
By then i made my decision to side with Kenny and the way she tought about sarah and AJ made that choice easier
In the apocalypse he showed more guts then Jane ever did se ep5 seas 1
and in the end of seas2 he sacrificed himself is they just take clem and AJ in... witch they would do only its you're choise to do so
I think kenny is the safer way in a world of zombies rapist cannibals and psycho's
Jane walks off to easy
What is this self sacrifice bullshit which people keep talking about? He didnt sacrifice anything in the last episode. He just didnt have spot for wellington and only very selfish person would not let others go there if they cant come. Only thing he showed is that he is capable of not being huge prick for a minute.
In the apocalypse he showed more guts then Jane ever did se ep5 seas 1
and in the end of seas2 he sacrificed himself is they just take cle… morem and AJ in... witch they would do only its you're choise to do so
I think kenny is the safer way in a world of zombies rapist cannibals and psycho's
Jane walks off to easy
He sure as hell did, they said there was no room, but he insisted that they would stay and he would take off.
So she asked and they could stay and Kenny was relieved, but I guess you didn't play it like that
What is this self sacrifice bullshit which people keep talking about? He didnt sacrifice anything in the last episode. He just didnt have sp… moreot for wellington and only very selfish person would not let others go there if they cant come. Only thing he showed is that he is capable of not being huge prick for a minute.
I should mention that I feel that decision is deceptive in both Kenny and Jane instances. Complete forgiveness and being alone with a days old baby are extremes. My choice to not be alone was reluctant at best.
There is room for 2, but not for Kenny. Now tell me, where did he sacrifice anything? He didnt have anything to sacrifice. Only thing he did was give up on their friendship, because he couldnt come to wellington. Its what any normal person would have done and that isnt sacrifice. Clem was the one making sacrifice because she had a choice, Kenny didnt.
He sure as hell did, they said there was no room, but he insisted that they would stay and he would take off.
So she asked and they could stay and Kenny was relieved, but I guess you didn't play it like that
So basically you want TT to only allow Clem to be a Kenny-Fanboy like you? Because only Kenny-Fans are allowed to have an opinion? Because 99% chose to side with Kenny? Oh, wait, according to the choice-table, most People didn't side with Kenny.
Man, I have written so often what's wrong with defending Kenny, it get's annoying.
I wonder how many who defend Kenny's Action at the end actually watched the ending where you kill him even once. He says she made the right choice, that he let her down, that she is better without him. I actually like Kenny just for realizing himself he made a mistake. Can you really argue with the man himself?
I'd really love if those that say Kenny was right to image the following: You are Jane, but unlike what happened, you really lost the Baby. While trying to get away from Walkers, you tripped over a stone. Remember there was a storm and the sight was extremely low. So you fall down and the Baby fell out of your hands. You are out of your senses for a second. You open your Eyes, try to grab the Baby, and before you do, a walker comes and grabs the Baby before you do. You do your best to stand up as fast as possible, but you realize it's too late, and the walker... you know. You run away to a house and you see Clem and Kenny. You go into the house, still a little weak from the last few Minutes. Kenny and Clem ask what happened. You are out of words for a few seconds, but you get a hold of yourself. But before you can say something, a enraged and extremely strong Kenny attacks you with all his might. You fight with your knife until there is a short pause. You put away the knife and say it was an accident. But as soon as you finished the sentence, Kenny attacks you again. You defend yourself until Kenny get's the upper hand and holds a knife to your threat. You try to reason with Kenny, but it's too late, and he kills you.
Can you really justify that? Would you really say, yeah, Kenny was totally right to kill me, I really earned Death. Remember, all the above could have had happened, Kenny did not know that Jane was messing with him, so what I wrote was possible.
How is it that so much people on this Forum think you can justify murder in any way? Killing someone in Self-Defense, either against one self or against someone you love, yes, but murdering someone because he/she insults you or MAY have done something bad, but maybe not? Especially without even giving him/her one second to explain what happened? No, just no. In my book, that behavior is not better than that of Carver or any random Bandit.
Just look at how many times he hurts Clem. First, mentally. In my playthrough he does it by constantly screaming and threatening people and having Clem always protect people from him. My Clem had to protect Arvo from him, and being the one person to calm Kenny down before he rages again, and having everyone else of the group tell her that, was very hard and hurtful for her, as it would be for all little girs. Second, in my playthrough, he does punch Clem. Yes, it was accidental, while my Clem tried to save Arvo from Kenny (who by this point we didn't know would/could betray the Group, and the beating, or mauling, he got from Kenny was unjustified), but still. My Clem never was a Kenny Fanboy, She often wasn't on Kenny's side, and he made sure to let her know that. So I don't know how different your playthrough was, but in mine the Mustache-Berserker hurt Clem very often.
Oh wow Jane carried her if Kenny was there he would have carried her back too. The real thing is that Kenny would jump in and get her if she was drowning but Jane wouldn't want to risk her own life and would not!
I have played season 1 3 times. 2 of which i have sided on Kenny on EVERYTHING.
still he goes... "You haven't done anything for me latel… morey" and not coming to help find Clem.
Selective memory at its best folks! Its clearly my fault for losing Kenny's trust!
You were obviously not listening to the argument in the truck, Kenny is the one who insulted Jane heavily first, therefore she backfired by … moretalking about his family. Killing is never right no matter what! Did you ever think of Kenny doing the things he did for his own selfish agendas?
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And Rockworm was replying to Iacoucci77 who said that:
Jane does care about others - clearly!
if jane was friend,she wouldn't push clem in that situation,she knew clem and kenny were old friends.if she loved clem,she wouldn't do that.
ben caused his(kenny) family death
"announcement"
the first episode of season 3 is "starved for help 2" for those who stuck with jane and at the end of the episode there are 3 choices for clem :
1-[eat jane]
2-[eat aj]
3-[shoot your self]
before that situation,clem had several chances to contact several people that they would help her,but jane always didn't allow her to do that.
and jane prefered to be isolated from everyone that caused the shitty situation for clem.
i think i spoiled every thing for jane lovers ,ohhhh,i'm so sorry guys
So you're saying it wasn't Kenny's fault that Jane even thought about leaving Kenny? Remember that Jane thought Kenny had become too dangerous after nearly beating Arvo to death and bullying him multiple times, which seems to be the main reason Clementine got shot in the first place?
Yes there is a way to go back... that's what rewind is for...
I chose Jane over Kenny, and I liked Kenny more than I liked Jane. I couldn't let Kenny kill Jane, he would've just gone to a darker place... in my opinion, letting one person kill another when you can stop them is a bad decision.
if kenny was your family,would you do that???
Killing people changes you, Kenny has already been through too much, I don't think killing someone would help him become a better person. As for a family member, I wouldn't know what I'd do in a situation involving someone I was related to. So I am guessing that you would let a good friend kill someone just because they made a mistake?
Well thats one of the good sides of being unemployed.
Well let me write a list then
So Jane should just have let Kenny pummel her to death - or at least to within an inch of her life?
Of course she's going to defend herself! She won't back down from Kenny, and this is why Kenny gets pissed off - he's finally encountered someone who doesn't need him and who won't just take his bullshit!
The saddest part is that if season 3 is meant to take place at Wellington, then I'm almost certain we'll have either a DLC or a quick explanation for why Jane abandoned Clem, and Clem was forced north to Wellington.
Thus undoing all the character development that season 2 did for Jane. Plus we'll have tons of unbearable forum posts going: "HAHAHAHA - I told you Jane was a bitch"... I'm already dreading this.
EDIT: To any TellTale people. If I'm even close to the mark, then at the very least you owe Jane a proper heroic send off! You can't build up her character and then quickly murder it again.
She put the knife away so she can slash him later (and she did)
I agree, he could've helped save Shawn.
There's a chance, however, that Larry was in a state of reanimation.
He had to steal the supplies from The Stranger, he has his own group and family to look out for. For Ben, he gives Lee a hint, but ultimately it's Lee who can kill Ben, otherwise Kenny will kill him out of mercy. Kenny's plans did play a role in the whole Savannah scenario.
That was just horrible.
I agree that you can't murder someone, but I give people second chances when I feel like they deserve second chances, let's not forget that Ben is the reason Lilly had a mental breakdown and shot Doug/Carley and ended up revealing Lee's secret.
Kenny does have his own selfish agenda, I don't see how he could talk like that about Jane and how he talked about respect.
Sarita is a Survivor and probably pulled a gun out of her magic pocket to save Kenny.
He only cares for Sarita's and Clementine's safety in that scene, he couldn't prevent Walter's death though.
Exactly, people go on about how Jane is bad for making Kenny mad, but they forget the fact that Kenny concludes everything just as quickly.
You don't insult someone dead beloved ones because she run away and he pointed that out that she was nothing because of that
Are you even reading yourself?
She put away her weapon, so she could use it?
She only brought it back out, because Kenny charged her. Was she supposed to just let him kill her? Beat her to within an inch of her life?
She told him, that she wouldn't back down, and then she didn't back down. Big fucking surprise!
Jane cared about Clem, thats why she did that. She knew they were going to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side. Seeing Kenny as maniac trying to murder her, should have been more than enough.
Ben was Clementines friend. Just like Jane was. Kenny doesnt give a shit about what Clem thinks.
She thought she could take him head on , and that didn't work so she had to surprise him by slashing him but not hard enough to kill him.
By then i made my decision to side with Kenny and the way she tought about sarah and AJ made that choice easier
As i remember, Kenny shot one of Carvers people and that caused him to shoot Walter?
Clem can even warn Kenny that he might kill people if they start shooting, but Kenny just ignores that.
She was on ground when Kenny was charging at her... What would you do when maniac runs at you while you are on ground?
This.
Although it's worth noting that most people did forgive Jane when given the option.
this.
Basically every single thing she does in episode 5, she does for Clementine.
If she didn't care about anyone else, she would abandon the group after the lake. Heck, if she didn't give a shit about anyone else why the fuck would she return to the fight and save Kenny's ass?
It was all part of her evil plan to make sure Clem stays safe with her.
Ah yes, she is only out to use and abuse a little girl!
'Mwahahaha', hers is an evil laugh!
What kind of monster tries to do whats best for a little girl... She is just sick.
She took out her knife to defuse the situation.
She told Kenny that she wouldn't back down from him.
Then she put the knife away.
Thus she had illustrated a willingness not to escalate the fight - but also made it clear that she wouldn't be backing down!
Kenny proceeds to attack, and then you're blaming Jane for defending herself.
The stretching of the imagination that this explanation requires is honestly just amazing.
Right around the 1:25:00 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhCda5z-vwQ
In the apocalypse he showed more guts then Jane ever did se ep5 seas 1
and in the end of seas2 he sacrificed himself is they just take clem and AJ in... witch they would do only its you're choise to do so
I think kenny is the safer way in a world of zombies rapist cannibals and psycho's
Jane walks off to easy
What is this self sacrifice bullshit which people keep talking about? He didnt sacrifice anything in the last episode. He just didnt have spot for wellington and only very selfish person would not let others go there if they cant come. Only thing he showed is that he is capable of not being huge prick for a minute.
He sure as hell did, they said there was no room, but he insisted that they would stay and he would take off.
So she asked and they could stay and Kenny was relieved, but I guess you didn't play it like that
I should mention that I feel that decision is deceptive in both Kenny and Jane instances. Complete forgiveness and being alone with a days old baby are extremes. My choice to not be alone was reluctant at best.
There is room for 2, but not for Kenny. Now tell me, where did he sacrifice anything? He didnt have anything to sacrifice. Only thing he did was give up on their friendship, because he couldnt come to wellington. Its what any normal person would have done and that isnt sacrifice. Clem was the one making sacrifice because she had a choice, Kenny didnt.
So basically you want TT to only allow Clem to be a Kenny-Fanboy like you? Because only Kenny-Fans are allowed to have an opinion? Because 99% chose to side with Kenny? Oh, wait, according to the choice-table, most People didn't side with Kenny.
Man, I have written so often what's wrong with defending Kenny, it get's annoying.
I wonder how many who defend Kenny's Action at the end actually watched the ending where you kill him even once. He says she made the right choice, that he let her down, that she is better without him. I actually like Kenny just for realizing himself he made a mistake. Can you really argue with the man himself?
I'd really love if those that say Kenny was right to image the following: You are Jane, but unlike what happened, you really lost the Baby. While trying to get away from Walkers, you tripped over a stone. Remember there was a storm and the sight was extremely low. So you fall down and the Baby fell out of your hands. You are out of your senses for a second. You open your Eyes, try to grab the Baby, and before you do, a walker comes and grabs the Baby before you do. You do your best to stand up as fast as possible, but you realize it's too late, and the walker... you know. You run away to a house and you see Clem and Kenny. You go into the house, still a little weak from the last few Minutes. Kenny and Clem ask what happened. You are out of words for a few seconds, but you get a hold of yourself. But before you can say something, a enraged and extremely strong Kenny attacks you with all his might. You fight with your knife until there is a short pause. You put away the knife and say it was an accident. But as soon as you finished the sentence, Kenny attacks you again. You defend yourself until Kenny get's the upper hand and holds a knife to your threat. You try to reason with Kenny, but it's too late, and he kills you.
Can you really justify that? Would you really say, yeah, Kenny was totally right to kill me, I really earned Death. Remember, all the above could have had happened, Kenny did not know that Jane was messing with him, so what I wrote was possible.
How is it that so much people on this Forum think you can justify murder in any way? Killing someone in Self-Defense, either against one self or against someone you love, yes, but murdering someone because he/she insults you or MAY have done something bad, but maybe not? Especially without even giving him/her one second to explain what happened? No, just no. In my book, that behavior is not better than that of Carver or any random Bandit.
Just look at how many times he hurts Clem. First, mentally. In my playthrough he does it by constantly screaming and threatening people and having Clem always protect people from him. My Clem had to protect Arvo from him, and being the one person to calm Kenny down before he rages again, and having everyone else of the group tell her that, was very hard and hurtful for her, as it would be for all little girs. Second, in my playthrough, he does punch Clem. Yes, it was accidental, while my Clem tried to save Arvo from Kenny (who by this point we didn't know would/could betray the Group, and the beating, or mauling, he got from Kenny was unjustified), but still. My Clem never was a Kenny Fanboy, She often wasn't on Kenny's side, and he made sure to let her know that. So I don't know how different your playthrough was, but in mine the Mustache-Berserker hurt Clem very often.
Oh wow Jane carried her if Kenny was there he would have carried her back too. The real thing is that Kenny would jump in and get her if she was drowning but Jane wouldn't want to risk her own life and would not!
Well I didn't need to replay it. First time I had Kenny come with me to look for Clementine! Maybe try harder on your 4th try!
Don't leave comments if you don't know what you're talking about. zykelator
prink is such an idiot I don't know why you people even bother trying to argue with such an idiot.
So your against murder but you murder Lees friend Kenny! Do you post comments without letting your brain have a chance to read it!