Lee killed a man over infidelity, something that is minor in comparison to the apparent death of a child, yet Clem was very safe with Lee. It isn't an unfair comparison, just like Lee, Kenny redeems himself in Wellington.
She showed Clem Kenny's true colors? Yeah she did the right thing, Clem would be safer with Jane and not a crazy man who would brutally murder anyone who accidentally kills the baby. I'm glad I shot Kenny and went with Jane.
She showed Clem Kenny's true colors? Yeah she did the right thing, Clem would be safer with Jane and not a crazy man who would brutally murder anyone who accidentally kills the baby. I'm glad I shot Kenny and went with Jane.
Where about in the game is concrete proof that Jane "killed" the baby? She never reveals the baby's fate in clear detail, and the only thing she says to a berserk Kenny was "it was an accident!". Kenny never gives her the chance to explain herself and quickly makes assumptions, and never backs off for one moment to kill Jane even when Jane lowers her weapon to show that she didn't want to fight.
Everyone seems to forget that it was a miracle for everyone to find shelter in a raging blizzard with little to no visibility with walkers roaming around. Hell, the last time you see Jane before the blizzard comes was her carrying the baby with two walkers a couple of feet behind her, so she couldn't just go back to Clementine and risk having those walkers catch up to her and the baby.
During the time the group was separated the following 'accidents' could have happened to Jane and the baby:
A walker out of nowhere grabs Jane and lunges at her, causing her to drop the baby in the snow or have the baby stolen in the confusion.
Jane trips due to poor friction on the ground mixed with low visibility, and the baby falls our of her grasp to the group and is either killed by the impact or is blanked with snow and freezes to death.
The baby freezes to death due to the sheer exposure of the cold in spite of being held onto the entire time, forcing Jane to leave the baby behind as nothing more could have been done to him.
The idea of Jane deliberately killing the baby out of spite or self preservation is ludicrous, seeing how Jane's actions listed in ErenCoral's message contradicts this. There's no reason to believe that Jane murdered the baby, which is why I couldn't sympathise with Kenny immediately accusing a person of killing a child without finding out exactly what has happened.
Suppose if Clementine was the one to carry the baby, and suddenly had an accident that causes the death of the baby, and returned to find Kenny and Jane? I'd imagine that Kenny would have done the exact same thing to Clementine as he did to Jane.
No she showed his true colors. She didn't even want to kill him, she just wanted Clem to go with Jane. Do you think Kenny would spare Clem if she accidentally killed the baby? Nope.
I can tell you Clem is safer with Jane, Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers.
She didn't show Kenny's true colors, she painted him with those colors as a lame excuse to get rid of him.
That's bullshit, you can compa… morere the Jane and Kenny endings and honestly tell me in which is Clem safer.
And how the in the fuck do you "accidentally" kill a motherfucking baby?
OK... you do know it's a game, right? It's a morally ambiguous game, there's not a clear right/wrong. There's emotional involvement and then there's... this.
Ok so I want to ask you, how would you like to die?
1) Getting eaten alive, dying a slow death from human teeth.
2) stabbed in the head (about 3-10 seconds of extreme pain).
Yes, she was tired of her sister, she should have never given up, a living proof to someone who didn't give up and saved another person the same way is what Clementine did with Sarah.
And yes, the knife would go through her sister's skull, what are you even saying? xD
Of course she would have shot her if she had a gun. Stabbing her in the head? Do you know how painful that is? Plus she wouldn't die because… more the knife wouldn't go through her sisters skull. Read the quote again, they were getting cornered by zombies and they forced them up on the roof. Do you think she even had time to persuade her sister to jump? Do you think a bad sister would Drag her sister across four states against her sisters will?
Leaving someone cornered by zombies is practically telling him "I won't save you, I don't care about you enough to do my best and get you out of here alive."
None, because I would jump across the building if I had to. Jane didn't have time to think which one would be more painful. Her time was limited and when I say limited I mean like 10 seconds.
Ok so I want to ask you, how would you like to die?
1) Getting eaten alive, dying a slow death from human teeth.
2) stabbed in the hea… mored (about 3-10 seconds of extreme pain).
Yes, she was tired of her sister, she should have never given up, a living proof to someone who didn't give up and saved another person the same way is what Clementine did with Sarah.
And yes, the knife would go through her sister's skull, what are you even saying? xD
I understand, but a lot of people aren't mature enough to discuss this without exploding on each other, so i personally try to stay out of it. Doesn't always work but yeah i get it.
Because the 2 of them are the only ones he loves, they are the only ones his insanity would not get the better of him when he'd want to do the same to them.
Where about in the game is concrete proof that Jane "killed" the baby? She never reveals the baby's fate in clear detail, and the only thing… more she says to a berserk Kenny was "it was an accident!". Kenny never gives her the chance to explain herself and quickly makes assumptions, and never backs off for one moment to kill Jane even when Jane lowers her weapon to show that she didn't want to fight.
Everyone seems to forget that it was a miracle for everyone to find shelter in a raging blizzard with little to no visibility with walkers roaming around. Hell, the last time you see Jane before the blizzard comes was her carrying the baby with two walkers a couple of feet behind her, so she couldn't just go back to Clementine and risk having those walkers catch up to her and the baby.
During the time the group was separated the following 'accidents' could have happened to Jane and the baby:
* A walker out of nowhere grabs Jane and lunges a… [view original content]
She did want to kill him, it's only logical since she didn't know how to work things out with him, so she carefully thought of a dumb plan to make an excuse as to why she killed him.
"He tried to kill me because I killed his baby so I had to kill him, right? DUR!"
Yes, he would, because he wants her to be safe, he can keep calm if she did it because she and AJ are the most precious things to him, he would (and never did) hurt them.
And no, that family may not be so good, and even without them, there is just no way they will survive there like that, Wellington contains food, people, weapons, huge ass walls, why would it not be safe?
Hell, the baby formula would probably run out for Jane and Clem in no time! There's probably tons of it in a big community.
No she showed his true colors. She didn't even want to kill him, she just wanted Clem to go with Jane. Do you think Kenny would spare Clem i… moref she accidentally killed the baby? Nope.
I can tell you Clem is safer with Jane, Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers.
Kenny risked his life to give Ben, a guy he initially blamed for his family's death, the courtesy of a quick death. She couldn't even do that for her sister.
"I dragged my sister across four states. And every morning, she'd say she wasn't getting up. So I'd convince her. Or push her. Or goddamn ca… morerry her, if I had to. Until this time... Walkers cornered us. Forced us to the roof. And when they kept coming... I... I couldn't make her jump. Couldn't throw her. So I tried something else. I told her she could have what she wanted. And I left her there. Jumped to the next building over by myself."
You weren't in that situation and you do not know how many walkers were there. She couldn't do anything in that situation except jump over to the next building. As you can see she dragged her sister across four states, she did everything she could to keep her sister alive however her sister wanted to die. How can you carry and her and jump with her to the next building? -_- Letting her sister be devoured was the only option she had.
I can't prove wrong your personal opinion that everything Kenny has done is justified in some way for all of it. Every point I make you're just going to counterpoint with the same arguments you already made above. Jane's manipulation, IMO, is nowhere as bad as Kenny betraying Lee and Clementine at the end of season 1, the reason he lost my respect, but you would just justify why he had to do that.
Kenny hasn't done "a lot of distasteful things", read what I said above and prove me wrong if you can.
Even if he did do bad, horrible things (which he mostly didn't), nothing tops Jane's manipulation she pulled on the two.
Lee killed a man in a fight Accidentally, Jane "killed" the baby accidentally (Wasn't even Kenny's baby) and Kenny immediately accused her of murdering him. He then immediately pinned her against a glass wall and choked her. Jane also redeems herself before by saving the group multiple times and in the end she does redeem herself by taking Clem to Howe's which has food, baby formula, safety. Just because he redeemed himself doesn't mean we can forget and forgive everything bad he did before.
Lee killed a man over infidelity, something that is minor in comparison to the apparent death of a child, yet Clem was very safe with Lee. It isn't an unfair comparison, just like Lee, Kenny redeems himself in Wellington.
He was angry enough to leave Clementine behind in the walker heard at the beginning of Amid the Ruins, regardless of whether you cut off Sarita's arm or not. Had Clementine not handled herself and bumped into Rebecca, she would have died right there and then.
Sure Kenny eventually comes around and forgives Clementine for her decision, but seeing how violently Kenny reacted to the baby going missing in No Going Back, I doubt that Kenny would suddenly be calm and understanding without how the baby would died in an accident had Clementine taken him under her care.
Nope, and you know why he wouldn't?
Because the 2 of them are the only ones he loves, they are the only ones his insanity would not get the better of him when he'd want to do the same to them.
You, just like me, do not know how much time she had, it may had been a minute or even more, you know it just as much as I do, and based on her selfish actions and morals of a survivalist, I think what I said is more likely to have happened.
It's not that hard, and even if you're right and everything you said is right, she's still a horrible person and did other horrible things like what most people here discuss.
None, because I would jump across the building if I had to. Jane didn't have time to think which one would be more painful. Her time was limited and when I say limited I mean like 10 seconds.
Kenny risked his life to give Ben, a guy he initially blamed for his family's death, the courtesy of a quick death. She couldn't even do that for her sister.
If you did leave her, you (You are Clementine if you didn't realize that by now) don't care about Sarah, at least not enough to save her, because saving her is possible.
Kenny betraying Clem and Lee? What the fuck are you talking about?
By the way, I only started supporting Kenny like that after this episode, so don't think I'm worshiping his stache or anything, all I am saying is backed up by my personal opinions and also solid facts.
And what I said isn't all opinions, some of them are just things that are truths, they are not feelings, but things that actually happened.
I can't prove wrong your personal opinion that everything Kenny has done is justified in some way for all of it. Every point I make you're j… moreust going to counterpoint with the same arguments you already made above. Jane's manipulation, IMO, is nowhere as bad as Kenny betraying Lee and Clementine at the end of season 1, the reason he lost my respect, but you would just justify why he had to do that.
The 11% are the people who didn't let the family in. The stats according to the wiki are these:
Friendship: In the end, who are you with?… more
With AJ, Jane and the family - 36.8%
Alone with AJ - 22.7%
With AJ at Wellington - 16.6%
With AJ and Kenny - 13.5%
With AJ and Jane - 10.4%
Remember when Clem accidentally got Sarita killed? That was nothing compared to what he will do to Clem if she loses the baby. After Clementine accidentally kills the baby he would lose all hope and immediately kill Clem. What's stopping him from doing so? Nothing is. She is the only one he can take his anger out on now. Why would I choose to go with the psycho man instead of with the smart, caring, knows how to survive, sane women?
Nope, and you know why he wouldn't?
Because the 2 of them are the only ones he loves, they are the only ones his insanity would not get the better of him when he'd want to do the same to them.
It's Kenny's baby, AJ's parents are dead, Kenny wanted to raise him and made sure he's safe in Wellington, you can safely say that Kenny is his father, not biological, but still his father, his moral and parental figure that took care of him and made sure he won't die, living a safe life - his father.
You can't redeem yourself when the example you say is prior to what she did, the point of "redeeming" yourself is proving you can be someone or do something after you did the actions that require the proof.
And bringing her to a shelter isn't something that will redeem her actions in my opinion.
You're basically saying that Jane can redeem herself but Kenny cannot, you have no logic in what you say.
Lee killed a man in a fight Accidentally, Jane "killed" the baby accidentally (Wasn't even Kenny's baby) and Kenny immediately accused her o… moref murdering him. He then immediately pinned her against a glass wall and choked her. Jane also redeems herself before by saving the group multiple times and in the end she does redeem herself by taking Clem to Howe's which has food, baby formula, safety. Just because he redeemed himself doesn't mean we can forget and forgive everything bad he did before.
Oh really? Kenny wanted to die anyway since he had nothing left. That's just called suicide. You also didn't read my post above. If she had a gun she would put her sister out of her misery. She dragged her sister across four states against her sisters will, I wonder if anyone could even do that in a zombie apocalypse.
Kenny risked his life to give Ben, a guy he initially blamed for his family's death, the courtesy of a quick death. She couldn't even do that for her sister.
Kenny refusing to help my Lee look for Clementine. That's what Im talking about. Your walkthrough was probably different but in mine Kenny was willing to let a dying Lee go off alone to try to save Clem who was kidnapped by god knows what kind of person doing who knows what to her, all for some stupid, childish reason. I consider that a betrayal of their friendship and of his supposed caring for Clementine.
Kenny betraying Clem and Lee? What the fuck are you talking about?
By the way, I only started supporting Kenny like that after this episo… morede, so don't think I'm worshiping his stache or anything, all I am saying is backed up by my personal opinions and also solid facts.
And what I said isn't all opinions, some of them are just things that are truths, they are not feelings, but things that actually happened.
Neglect. Jane was responsible for AJ, as he is unable to look after himself, but failed to provide safety. Do you think Kenny would ever leave AJ behind, even if it was an accident? He would rather leave, covered in bites than to leave without the baby.
Kenny numerously said he distrusted Jane, he also knew she thought of the baby as dead weight and as far as he was concerned, Jane only cares for herself. He didn't think she murdered the baby, he thought she left it behind to save herself. Which isn't a far stretch considering her track record with people other than Clem.
AJ was Kenny's reason to live. It was his mission to get him to safety. It was also a way for him to redeem himself. In his eyes, Jane was responsible for taking away his hope, directly or indirectly. His reaction is understandable, not justified but understandable. Greater men have lost their shit for much less, Lee killed a man over infidelity.
Did Kenny lay a finger on Clem when he thought she was responsible for Sarita? No, he didn't
Where about in the game is concrete proof that Jane "killed" the baby? She never reveals the baby's fate in clear detail, and the only thing… more she says to a berserk Kenny was "it was an accident!". Kenny never gives her the chance to explain herself and quickly makes assumptions, and never backs off for one moment to kill Jane even when Jane lowers her weapon to show that she didn't want to fight.
Everyone seems to forget that it was a miracle for everyone to find shelter in a raging blizzard with little to no visibility with walkers roaming around. Hell, the last time you see Jane before the blizzard comes was her carrying the baby with two walkers a couple of feet behind her, so she couldn't just go back to Clementine and risk having those walkers catch up to her and the baby.
During the time the group was separated the following 'accidents' could have happened to Jane and the baby:
* A walker out of nowhere grabs Jane and lunges a… [view original content]
He didn't leave her.. She handled herself well, he knew she can handle herself, and he was worried about Sarita, if he was crazy like you said, he would have killed Clementine for doing that to Sarita.
And you need to understand, he had every reason to go insane, Jane caused that and she didn't have to do it in order to prove something, there are other ways to prove it without getting yourself killed.
He wouldn't be calm, but he wouldn't violently murder Clementine either.
He was angry enough to leave Clementine behind in the walker heard at the beginning of Amid the Ruins, regardless of whether you cut off Sar… moreita's arm or not. Had Clementine not handled herself and bumped into Rebecca, she would have died right there and then.
Sure Kenny eventually comes around and forgives Clementine for her decision, but seeing how violently Kenny reacted to the baby going missing in No Going Back, I doubt that Kenny would suddenly be calm and understanding without how the baby would died in an accident had Clementine taken him under her care.
Oh really? Kenny wanted to die anyway since he had nothing left. That's just called suicide. You also didn't read my post above. If she had … morea gun she would put her sister out of her misery. She dragged her sister across four states against her sisters will, I wonder if anyone could even do that in a zombie apocalypse.
That's not betrayal, he did refuse to do that on my playthrough as well, but it is not betrayal, it's just called being an asshole, that's exaggeration.
But still, you just have to know what to say to him, he's impulsive, his current emotions affect what he decides, you just need to get to him, it never meant he didn't care about either of them.
Kenny refusing to help my Lee look for Clementine. That's what Im talking about. Your walkthrough was probably different but in mine Kenny w… moreas willing to let a dying Lee go off alone to try to save Clem who was kidnapped by god knows what kind of person doing who knows what to her, all for some stupid, childish reason. I consider that a betrayal of their friendship and of his supposed caring for Clementine.
But dont you see, that goes against everything we already knew about Clem and Sarah. If she cared about her all this time before that decision, how would she suddenly stop because "you are Clementine"? You dont leave Sarah because you dont care about her anymore than Jane left her sister because she didnt care about her. She clearly did care about her own sister because she had been trying to keep her alive for months up until that point. The sister gave up and Jane couldnt help her anymore. That does not equate to she didnt care.
That's why I didn't leave her.
If you did leave her, you (You are Clementine if you didn't realize that by now) don't care about Sarah, at least not enough to save her, because saving her is possible.
Neglect. Jane was responsible for AJ, as he is unable to look after himself, but failed to provide safety. Do you think Kenny would ever lea… moreve AJ behind, even if it was an accident? He would rather leave, covered in bites than to leave without the baby.
Kenny numerously said he distrusted Jane, he also knew she thought of the baby as dead weight and as far as he was concerned, Jane only cares for herself. He didn't think she murdered the baby, he thought she left it behind to save herself. Which isn't a far stretch considering her track record with people other than Clem.
AJ was Kenny's reason to live. It was his mission to get him to safety. It was also a way for him to redeem himself. In his eyes, Jane was responsible for taking away his hope, directly or indirectly. His reaction is understandable, not justified but understandable. Greater men have lost their shit for much less, Lee killed a man over infidelity.
Did Kenny lay a finger on Clem when he thought she was responsible for Sarita? No, he didn't
i loved kenny with all my heart, even in S1. but he's batshit crazy right now, and just like in the walking dead tv show "just look at the flowers". at the same time, im not going with jane. she could keep the baby if she wants though
Remember when Clem accidentally got Sarita killed? That was nothing compared to what he will do to Clem if she loses the baby. After Clement… moreine accidentally kills the baby he would lose all hope and immediately kill Clem. What's stopping him from doing so? Nothing is. She is the only one he can take his anger out on now. Why would I choose to go with the psycho man instead of with the smart, caring, knows how to survive, sane women?
AJ isn't his only reason to live, Clementine is also part of the reason he kept going, that's why he would never leave her for dead or kill her.
Hell, he told her he can't look her in the eyes because he's ashamed of what he put her through, would that be something the person they describe him as would say?
Neglect. Jane was responsible for AJ, as he is unable to look after himself, but failed to provide safety. Do you think Kenny would ever lea… moreve AJ behind, even if it was an accident? He would rather leave, covered in bites than to leave without the baby.
Kenny numerously said he distrusted Jane, he also knew she thought of the baby as dead weight and as far as he was concerned, Jane only cares for herself. He didn't think she murdered the baby, he thought she left it behind to save herself. Which isn't a far stretch considering her track record with people other than Clem.
AJ was Kenny's reason to live. It was his mission to get him to safety. It was also a way for him to redeem himself. In his eyes, Jane was responsible for taking away his hope, directly or indirectly. His reaction is understandable, not justified but understandable. Greater men have lost their shit for much less, Lee killed a man over infidelity.
Did Kenny lay a finger on Clem when he thought she was responsible for Sarita? No, he didn't
She didn't want to kill him at first, she took out her knife then put it back in. " I won't back down from you Kenny " She warned Kenny that she won't back down if he tries to kill her. Of course Mister Kenny doesn't care and is blinded by blood rage towards Jane. At that moment nothing matters to him except killing Jane.
You totally quoted Kenny here. Kenny trying to kill Kenny multiple times in season 1 was basically just like hurting Clem. Also him refusing to help Lee find Clem at the end of episode 4 ( Sure this is determinant, but who the hell let's a little girl suffer for the actions of someone else ) could've gotten Clem killed. Let's not forget he keeps putting Clem in danger ( Cough cough putting the radio in her jacket cough cough) and always fights with everyone causing the group to break up and causing Arvo to shoot Clem ( If Mike and Bonnie didn't escape in the first place Arvo wouldn't have gotten the gun ).
What do you mean there would no way they could survive alone? You do realize Clem is with a hardcore survivalist whose been on her own after her sister died. Oh Wellington contains food? I'm just waiting for the time when their food runs out and they start eating human meat to survive. People? The more people to more dangerous Wellington is, what if someone dies from a heart attack/cancer/infection and starts attacking the members? That would be an endless chain of humans turning into walkers until ofcourse everyone there turns into walkers. The huge ass walls are the only thing good about it, but it does trap snow inside which is a huge con.
How do we know even know that there is baby formula inside Wellington? At least we know there is baby formula at Howe's. Also the baby isn't even important anwyay.
She did want to kill him, it's only logical since she didn't know how to work things out with him, so she carefully thought of a dumb plan t… moreo make an excuse as to why she killed him.
"He tried to kill me because I killed his baby so I had to kill him, right? DUR!"
Yes, he would, because he wants her to be safe, he can keep calm if she did it because she and AJ are the most precious things to him, he would (and never did) hurt them.
And no, that family may not be so good, and even without them, there is just no way they will survive there like that, Wellington contains food, people, weapons, huge ass walls, why would it not be safe?
Hell, the baby formula would probably run out for Jane and Clem in no time! There's probably tons of it in a big community.
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Lee killed a man over infidelity, something that is minor in comparison to the apparent death of a child, yet Clem was very safe with Lee. It isn't an unfair comparison, just like Lee, Kenny redeems himself in Wellington.
She didn't show Kenny's true colors, she painted him with those colors as a lame excuse to get rid of him.
That's bullshit, you can compare the Jane and Kenny endings and honestly tell me in which is Clem safer.
And how the in the fuck do you "accidentally" kill a motherfucking baby?
Where about in the game is concrete proof that Jane "killed" the baby? She never reveals the baby's fate in clear detail, and the only thing she says to a berserk Kenny was "it was an accident!". Kenny never gives her the chance to explain herself and quickly makes assumptions, and never backs off for one moment to kill Jane even when Jane lowers her weapon to show that she didn't want to fight.
Everyone seems to forget that it was a miracle for everyone to find shelter in a raging blizzard with little to no visibility with walkers roaming around. Hell, the last time you see Jane before the blizzard comes was her carrying the baby with two walkers a couple of feet behind her, so she couldn't just go back to Clementine and risk having those walkers catch up to her and the baby.
During the time the group was separated the following 'accidents' could have happened to Jane and the baby:
The idea of Jane deliberately killing the baby out of spite or self preservation is ludicrous, seeing how Jane's actions listed in ErenCoral's message contradicts this. There's no reason to believe that Jane murdered the baby, which is why I couldn't sympathise with Kenny immediately accusing a person of killing a child without finding out exactly what has happened.
Suppose if Clementine was the one to carry the baby, and suddenly had an accident that causes the death of the baby, and returned to find Kenny and Jane? I'd imagine that Kenny would have done the exact same thing to Clementine as he did to Jane.
No she showed his true colors. She didn't even want to kill him, she just wanted Clem to go with Jane. Do you think Kenny would spare Clem if she accidentally killed the baby? Nope.
I can tell you Clem is safer with Jane, Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers.
That's emotional involvement, I'm explaining something, that's how I speak.
Ok so I want to ask you, how would you like to die?
1) Getting eaten alive, dying a slow death from human teeth.
2) stabbed in the head (about 3-10 seconds of extreme pain).
Yes, she was tired of her sister, she should have never given up, a living proof to someone who didn't give up and saved another person the same way is what Clementine did with Sarah.
And yes, the knife would go through her sister's skull, what are you even saying? xD
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im alone and happy with my choices... the whole group is too far gone and this has been my thoughts since last episode as well
If that is the case, then it also applies to Clementine, and we know that's not true that Clem didnt care about Sarah.
None, because I would jump across the building if I had to. Jane didn't have time to think which one would be more painful. Her time was limited and when I say limited I mean like 10 seconds.
I don't explode, I'm just impulsive, I talk like that.
Nope, and you know why he wouldn't?
Because the 2 of them are the only ones he loves, they are the only ones his insanity would not get the better of him when he'd want to do the same to them.
She did want to kill him, it's only logical since she didn't know how to work things out with him, so she carefully thought of a dumb plan to make an excuse as to why she killed him.
"He tried to kill me because I killed his baby so I had to kill him, right? DUR!"
Yes, he would, because he wants her to be safe, he can keep calm if she did it because she and AJ are the most precious things to him, he would (and never did) hurt them.
And no, that family may not be so good, and even without them, there is just no way they will survive there like that, Wellington contains food, people, weapons, huge ass walls, why would it not be safe?
Hell, the baby formula would probably run out for Jane and Clem in no time! There's probably tons of it in a big community.
Kenny risked his life to give Ben, a guy he initially blamed for his family's death, the courtesy of a quick death. She couldn't even do that for her sister.
I can't prove wrong your personal opinion that everything Kenny has done is justified in some way for all of it. Every point I make you're just going to counterpoint with the same arguments you already made above. Jane's manipulation, IMO, is nowhere as bad as Kenny betraying Lee and Clementine at the end of season 1, the reason he lost my respect, but you would just justify why he had to do that.
Lee killed a man in a fight Accidentally, Jane "killed" the baby accidentally (Wasn't even Kenny's baby) and Kenny immediately accused her of murdering him. He then immediately pinned her against a glass wall and choked her. Jane also redeems herself before by saving the group multiple times and in the end she does redeem herself by taking Clem to Howe's which has food, baby formula, safety. Just because he redeemed himself doesn't mean we can forget and forgive everything bad he did before.
He was angry enough to leave Clementine behind in the walker heard at the beginning of Amid the Ruins, regardless of whether you cut off Sarita's arm or not. Had Clementine not handled herself and bumped into Rebecca, she would have died right there and then.
Sure Kenny eventually comes around and forgives Clementine for her decision, but seeing how violently Kenny reacted to the baby going missing in No Going Back, I doubt that Kenny would suddenly be calm and understanding without how the baby would died in an accident had Clementine taken him under her care.
Good luck in your cause.
You, just like me, do not know how much time she had, it may had been a minute or even more, you know it just as much as I do, and based on her selfish actions and morals of a survivalist, I think what I said is more likely to have happened.
It's not that hard, and even if you're right and everything you said is right, she's still a horrible person and did other horrible things like what most people here discuss.
THANK YOU, you explained it better than I did, great example.
He also wasted his last bullet for Ben, instead of himself, that means he's selfless.
That's why I didn't leave her.
If you did leave her, you (You are Clementine if you didn't realize that by now) don't care about Sarah, at least not enough to save her, because saving her is possible.
Kenny betraying Clem and Lee? What the fuck are you talking about?
By the way, I only started supporting Kenny like that after this episode, so don't think I'm worshiping his stache or anything, all I am saying is backed up by my personal opinions and also solid facts.
And what I said isn't all opinions, some of them are just things that are truths, they are not feelings, but things that actually happened.
Thanks, hadn't realised that. I thought nearly 90% of people shot Jane or went off alone.
Remember when Clem accidentally got Sarita killed? That was nothing compared to what he will do to Clem if she loses the baby. After Clementine accidentally kills the baby he would lose all hope and immediately kill Clem. What's stopping him from doing so? Nothing is. She is the only one he can take his anger out on now. Why would I choose to go with the psycho man instead of with the smart, caring, knows how to survive, sane women?
It's Kenny's baby, AJ's parents are dead, Kenny wanted to raise him and made sure he's safe in Wellington, you can safely say that Kenny is his father, not biological, but still his father, his moral and parental figure that took care of him and made sure he won't die, living a safe life - his father.
You can't redeem yourself when the example you say is prior to what she did, the point of "redeeming" yourself is proving you can be someone or do something after you did the actions that require the proof.
And bringing her to a shelter isn't something that will redeem her actions in my opinion.
You're basically saying that Jane can redeem herself but Kenny cannot, you have no logic in what you say.
Oh really? Kenny wanted to die anyway since he had nothing left. That's just called suicide. You also didn't read my post above. If she had a gun she would put her sister out of her misery. She dragged her sister across four states against her sisters will, I wonder if anyone could even do that in a zombie apocalypse.
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Kenny refusing to help my Lee look for Clementine. That's what Im talking about. Your walkthrough was probably different but in mine Kenny was willing to let a dying Lee go off alone to try to save Clem who was kidnapped by god knows what kind of person doing who knows what to her, all for some stupid, childish reason. I consider that a betrayal of their friendship and of his supposed caring for Clementine.
Neglect. Jane was responsible for AJ, as he is unable to look after himself, but failed to provide safety. Do you think Kenny would ever leave AJ behind, even if it was an accident? He would rather leave, covered in bites than to leave without the baby.
Kenny numerously said he distrusted Jane, he also knew she thought of the baby as dead weight and as far as he was concerned, Jane only cares for herself. He didn't think she murdered the baby, he thought she left it behind to save herself. Which isn't a far stretch considering her track record with people other than Clem.
AJ was Kenny's reason to live. It was his mission to get him to safety. It was also a way for him to redeem himself. In his eyes, Jane was responsible for taking away his hope, directly or indirectly. His reaction is understandable, not justified but understandable. Greater men have lost their shit for much less, Lee killed a man over infidelity.
Did Kenny lay a finger on Clem when he thought she was responsible for Sarita? No, he didn't
He didn't leave her.. She handled herself well, he knew she can handle herself, and he was worried about Sarita, if he was crazy like you said, he would have killed Clementine for doing that to Sarita.
And you need to understand, he had every reason to go insane, Jane caused that and she didn't have to do it in order to prove something, there are other ways to prove it without getting yourself killed.
He wouldn't be calm, but he wouldn't violently murder Clementine either.
How do you know she didn't have a gun?
Oh wait, you don't.
That's not betrayal, he did refuse to do that on my playthrough as well, but it is not betrayal, it's just called being an asshole, that's exaggeration.
But still, you just have to know what to say to him, he's impulsive, his current emotions affect what he decides, you just need to get to him, it never meant he didn't care about either of them.
But dont you see, that goes against everything we already knew about Clem and Sarah. If she cared about her all this time before that decision, how would she suddenly stop because "you are Clementine"? You dont leave Sarah because you dont care about her anymore than Jane left her sister because she didnt care about her. She clearly did care about her own sister because she had been trying to keep her alive for months up until that point. The sister gave up and Jane couldnt help her anymore. That does not equate to she didnt care.
You're right Kenny wouldnt leave the baby behind. I was frankly surprised everytime he would let anyone else touch him.
i loved kenny with all my heart, even in S1. but he's batshit crazy right now, and just like in the walking dead tv show "just look at the flowers". at the same time, im not going with jane. she could keep the baby if she wants though
He only yelled at her, he would not kill Clementine, Clementine is his hope, not only the baby.
She isn't smart, she got herself killed. She isn't very sane either with what she did.
AJ isn't his only reason to live, Clementine is also part of the reason he kept going, that's why he would never leave her for dead or kill her.
Hell, he told her he can't look her in the eyes because he's ashamed of what he put her through, would that be something the person they describe him as would say?
She didn't want to kill him at first, she took out her knife then put it back in. " I won't back down from you Kenny " She warned Kenny that she won't back down if he tries to kill her. Of course Mister Kenny doesn't care and is blinded by blood rage towards Jane. At that moment nothing matters to him except killing Jane.
You totally quoted Kenny here. Kenny trying to kill Kenny multiple times in season 1 was basically just like hurting Clem. Also him refusing to help Lee find Clem at the end of episode 4 ( Sure this is determinant, but who the hell let's a little girl suffer for the actions of someone else ) could've gotten Clem killed. Let's not forget he keeps putting Clem in danger ( Cough cough putting the radio in her jacket cough cough) and always fights with everyone causing the group to break up and causing Arvo to shoot Clem ( If Mike and Bonnie didn't escape in the first place Arvo wouldn't have gotten the gun ).
What do you mean there would no way they could survive alone? You do realize Clem is with a hardcore survivalist whose been on her own after her sister died. Oh Wellington contains food? I'm just waiting for the time when their food runs out and they start eating human meat to survive. People? The more people to more dangerous Wellington is, what if someone dies from a heart attack/cancer/infection and starts attacking the members? That would be an endless chain of humans turning into walkers until ofcourse everyone there turns into walkers. The huge ass walls are the only thing good about it, but it does trap snow inside which is a huge con.
How do we know even know that there is baby formula inside Wellington? At least we know there is baby formula at Howe's. Also the baby isn't even important anwyay.
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How do you know she has a gun?
Oh wait, you don't.
She would mercy kill her sister if she had a gun, she isn't selfish nor cruel to let her sister suffer.