So you think letting a baby out in a snowstorm is better than being in a car? Putting a baby in a car is only bad if its a sunny day.
He didn't intentionally leave her to die but he chose to leave her alone in a herd of walkers because fuck her right? Actually if you've been on other threads you'd see I actually love both Kenny and Jane but in the end I chose Jane because ( because look at my post and you'll see why ). You are the one who clearly is stuck on the idea that Jane is selfish when I clearly told you why she isn't.
Yes, he constantly replaces his dead loved ones with another people just because he chooses not to let go of the past. There is no place in a world like this for a person like him. If you love Kenny then you would realize that putting him out of his suffering/misery is the best choice.
Leaving babies in cars... Because that had never been a bad thing..
Sigh... He didn't intentionally leave her to die, that's just how you… more look at it because you hate Kenny "the psychopath".
Duck 2.0? You just hate him for no reason right now, this isn't making any sense, you can try and talk people into it, but it just won't make sense.
I'm not advocating Jane personally. I'm just tired of people constantly defending Kenny and acting as if though he's got a spotless past. You say you don't, but then you justify the majority of his decisions with horrible logic and it pisses me off.
Nope, it is out of the ordinary. He doesn't even choose to listen to her and immediately goes to choking her. He doesn't know shit about her and just knows what he wants to know about her. I wonder if he would do the same to Clem if she lost the baby ( pfft who am I kidding I know he will )
When I said Jane is selfless I meant she is selfless to Clem. Kenny wasn't selfless to anyone before except for Ben but that's just committing suicide seeing as how his family is all dead. Jane is selfless enough to put her life at risk for Clem. She could choose to leave Clem with Kenny but she chooses not to. I mean seriously, why would Jane want to kill Kenny anyway?
He isn't a psychopath, no matter how much you'll say that, what he did is not out of the ordinary, killing someone who has a very ugly past … moreand then tells you she killed "your" baby will make anyone want to kill her, especially after what he's lost.
If Jane is selfless, she wouldn't've left Sarah behind like she did, and there are tons of other examples like how she left her sister.
Call it horrible logic, I call it views, and I don't see what's your point, I never said he has a spotless past, if you looked at a thread I made a while ago I said my opinion about Kenny there, I don't know how deep it's buried now.
I'm not advocating Jane personally. I'm just tired of people constantly defending Kenny and acting as if though he's got a spotless past. You say you don't, but then you justify the majority of his decisions with horrible logic and it pisses me off.
No, I'm saying leaving a baby anywhere to prove a goddamn point is dumb as fuuuuuuck.
because fuck her right?
No, that's not how he is thinking, I think everyone knows this isn't right.
Replaces? That's just horrible, I don't know what to say...
Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
If you love Kenny then you would realize that putting him out of his suffering/misery is the best choice.
First of all, don't tell me what's best for him, you clearly don't know that looking at what you think about him.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
So you think letting a baby out in a snowstorm is better than being in a car? Putting a baby in a car is only bad if its a sunny day.
He … moredidn't intentionally leave her to die but he chose to leave her alone in a herd of walkers because fuck her right? Actually if you've been on other threads you'd see I actually love both Kenny and Jane but in the end I chose Jane because ( because look at my post and you'll see why ). You are the one who clearly is stuck on the idea that Jane is selfish when I clearly told you why she isn't.
Yes, he constantly replaces his dead loved ones with another people just because he chooses not to let go of the past. There is no place in a world like this for a person like him. If you love Kenny then you would realize that putting him out of his suffering/misery is the best choice.
Both of you are Pro-Kenny fans who are blinded by the truth and you both keep rephrasing my sentences to something I did not say. Also let me quote both of you
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
I did not say the baby should be bitten or freeze to death. I just said he isn't that important because some people cough cough keep bringing up the point that Howes doesn't have lots of baby formula as if it was a that important. The baby deserves to die a peaceful, merciful death in my opinion because who raises a baby in a world like this? I don't want the baby to suffer in a world like this.
Of course nobody can take this guy seriously.
I mean, saying omg Kenny is crazy and dangerous so he deserves to be 'put down' while sayin… moreg in the same post that leaving a baby to be bitten or freeze to death is totally fine by him is just unbelievable.
Call it horrible logic, I call it views, and I don't see what's your point, I never said he has a spotless past, if you looked at a thread I made a while ago I said my opinion about Kenny there, I don't know how deep it's buried now.
Nope, it is out of the ordinary. He doesn't even choose to listen to her and immediately goes to choking her. He doesn't know shit about her… more and just knows what he wants to know about her. I wonder if he would do the same to Clem if she lost the baby ( pfft who am I kidding I know he will )
When I said Jane is selfless I meant she is selfless to Clem. Kenny wasn't selfless to anyone before except for Ben but that's just committing suicide seeing as how his family is all dead. Jane is selfless enough to put her life at risk for Clem. She could choose to leave Clem with Kenny but she chooses not to. I mean seriously, why would Jane want to kill Kenny anyway?
Both of you are Pro-Kenny fans who are blinded by the truth and you both keep rephrasing my sentences to something I did not say. Also let m… moree quote both of you
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
I did not say the baby should be bitten or freeze to death. I just said he isn't that important because some people cough cough keep bringing up the point that Howes doesn't have lots of baby formula as if it was a that important. The baby deserves to die a peaceful, merciful death in my opinion because who raises a baby in a world like this? I don't want the baby to suffer in a world like this.
No, I'm saying leaving a baby anywhere to prove a goddamn point is dumb as fuuuuuuck.
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Replaces? That's just horrible, I don't know what to say...
Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
But that's just a selfish to take people and use them as a replacement. The moment the baby was born he took over it as if it was his own son.
First of all, don't tell me what's best for him, you clearly don't know that looking at what you think about him.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
I do know what's best for him and I know it is putting him out of his misery AKA killing him.
I am also tired of explaining to people why shooting Kenny is the right choice and why going with Jane is the right choice but some people, they just refuse to listen
No, I'm saying leaving a baby anywhere to prove a goddamn point is dumb as fuuuuuuck.
because fuck her right?
No, that's not h… moreow he is thinking, I think everyone knows this isn't right.
Replaces? That's just horrible, I don't know what to say...
Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
If you love Kenny then you would realize that putting him out of his suffering/misery is the best choice.
First of all, don't tell me what's best for him, you clearly don't know that looking at what you think about him.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
It was the only way to show Clem Kenny's true colors and when Clem saw Kenny like that she knew she'd have to leave him. Jane wanted to leave him immediately after the car argument because she couldn't take being with him for another moment. She knew Kenny was blinded by the fact that Wellington could be a myth ( Which was real in the end but they only accepted Clem and the baby ).
Call it horrible logic, I call it views, and I don't see what's your point, I never said he has a spotless past, if you looked at a thread I made a while ago I said my opinion about Kenny there, I don't know how deep it's buried now.
No, I'm saying leaving a baby anywhere to prove a goddamn point is dumb as fuuuuuuck.
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Replaces? That's just horrible, I do… moren't know what to say...
Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
But that's just a selfish to take people and use them as a replacement. The moment the baby was born he took over it as if it was his own son.
First of all, don't tell me what's best for him, you clearly don't know that looking at what you think about him.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
I do know what's best for him and I know it is putting him out of his misery AKA killing him.
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'Oh wow. Nice sentence. You sound like u try hard. To look fancy. With sentences.'
What the fuck are you trying to even say?
And I'm saying your rampant impulsive defense of Kenny and hatred of Jane in the majority of threads I've witnessed you in tell me that whatever your stance on Kenny, you're going to keep up your actions. And everyone's entitled to their personal beliefs but you've shown that you're willingly turning a blind eye to a majority of the faults in Kenny and only going so far as to give reasons for his actions without expressing whether Kenny is entirely innocent. It leaves the impression that Kenny has done no wrong, when the opposite is true.
Just because Kenny has a legitimate reason to want Ben dead, doesn't justify cold-blooded murder. Tragedy doesn't justify more tragedy.
Clementine knowing that is not determinant, and she had to be there in that moment.
My point had nothing do with being less or more useful, just that it shows that for all her criticism Jane is not any better that Kenny.
I called her selfish for her reasons for doing that, which were that Luke and Sarah are important to Clem.
True.
The point was that Clem was there because of Jane.
She did well there, I am no trying to say any different, but you wrote that the nail saved her life, and I pointed out that it was determinant. Nothing more.
I am trying to say that Jane couldn´t care less about the group, in the end, at the only reason she stole for Arvo was because Clem cared for the group.
That part of the ice only broke after the whole group passed over it. The ice could have broke when Jane when to pick up Clem, but it was unlikely because it was not that fragile. That was also what I was saying by mentioning what happened with Arvo on the ice, that it was not that fragile.
She takes the baby out of the snow storm to abandon him in car, that´s not taking care of her. What if the baby started crying while the fighting was going on, the walkers heard and break the window to bite him? That the window was opaque for the outside does not mean shit to walkers, which are attracted by sound. You can say what you want, but Jane showed that she didn´t care that much about AJ by leaving him in the car.
She doesn´t show Kenny´s true colors, just that he has violent reactions when concerning his family or those he cares about getting killed or being in danger. Also, that Jane was the one that loosed the baby, one that said more than once that a baby is a burden, was the whole reason he reacted so strongly. Kenny didn´t choke her, he pushed her against the window of the Rest Stop. She is the one that goes for the kill first, slashing Kenny stomach, and she definitively wanted a fight. 'No happening. Is time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery', 'This is all your fucking fault', and the fact that she didn´t even once tried to explain what really happened with AJ show that she was looking for a fight to death. And one last thing: even if Clem doesn´t know, how Jane immediately drops her shocked and grieving act the second Kenny goes outside and that she says that you are going to see him for who he really is should make everyone realize she was lying.
You ignored a lot of my points regarding Howe´s, and being with a 'hardcore survivalist' doesn´t mean that a unsafe place is the best option, but whatever. Also, there are no reasons to think a group that gives supplies to random strangers could be that bad. Obviously bandits could be attracted to a place that looks to be doing so good, but you really think that a such a number of people with so many resources couldn´t quickly overwhelm any bandits? That there are so many people Wellington doesn´t mean is dangerous. Carver didn’t have any problems with that, so is reasonable that they had a system to prevent that and that Wellington has it too. Also, explain how the hell Wellington attracts walkers.
She did nothing for the group, yes. Some of her actions benefited the group, but she did everything for Clem and for herself. Kenny wasn´t forced to take the radio, he could have just let Clem dealt with Carver´s anger if he had wanted to. I didn´t say he was risking himself for his wife, but risking to be killed in front of her. He didn´t nearly get her killed. Carver´s interactions with Clem plainly show that he respects her and has plans for her, so her punishment couldn´t have been as severe as Kenny´s. He is angry with Clem right after losing Sarita, but he apologizes eventually. He stands for her every time prior to No Going Back- when Bonnie blames Clem about Luke´s death he is the only one who takes a moment to said that it was not her fault, for example-and he listens to Clem if she tells him to stop beating Arvo. Jane blames Clem for everything if you dissagre with her. Kenny doesn´t put 'excuses and bullshit lies', he just tells the truth. What prevented Jane for running to the car, open the door and show Kenny that AJ is alive and let Clem make her own mind about both of them? Nothing. Kenny wasn´t not admitting to be a problem, but what is best for AJ and Clem, even in the end.
I posted this again because you did it first. Also, you just outright ignored parts of my post.
She got them out of Carver´s lair just because Telltale didn´t give us a dialogue choice to tell the group how we got out the Marshal´s Hous… moree while the group was arguing about the risk of the plan.
That's the point, they wanted to show that Jane is a hardcore survivalist who knows how to survive. Sure Clem knew it but what if she didn't? What if Clem wasn't there to tell them?
You praise Jane for doing that for Troy while Kenny being brutal with Carver just mean´s he is insane.
I praise her for being smart and using his death for a meaningful way to benefit the group. I don't see how Kenny beating on Carver's corpse helped the group but infact it only helped himself AKA selfish. He wasted the groups precious time which could've been used to escape faster aka preventing Carlos's death, Nick's death, Sarah's death and Rebecca's death.
You are right.
Don’t say she saved them so easily. If she had leaved the gro… [view original content]
'Oh wow. Nice sentence. You sound like u try hard. To look fancy. With sentences.'
What the fuck are you trying to even say?
And I'm say… moreing your rampant impulsive defense of Kenny and hatred of Jane in the majority of threads I've witnessed you in tell me that whatever your stance on Kenny, you're going to keep up your actions. And everyone's entitled to their personal beliefs but you've shown that you're willingly turning a blind eye to a majority of the faults in Kenny and only going so far as to give reasons for his actions without expressing whether Kenny is entirely innocent. It leaves the impression that Kenny has done no wrong, when the opposite is true.
Just because Kenny has a legitimate reason to want Ben dead, doesn't justify cold-blooded murder. Tragedy doesn't justify more tragedy.
You call her a cold-hearted selfish woman who does not care for anyones being, including her sister in which she strived to keep alive for what we assume to be a massive amount of time.
She caused a fight with Kenny to show Clementine he was dangerous and reckless in the first place, and the first thing you say, is that she was selfish
ErenCoral, my god, be serious. I never say you said that the baby should be bitten or freeze to death, I said that you look at Kenny´s actions and you say he should be put down when Jane leaving the baby to be bitten or freeze to death somehow doesn´t matter. Also, you saying that the baby is not even important anyway just a few posts back contradicts that you 'don´t want the baby to suffer in a world like this'.
Both of you are Pro-Kenny fans who are blinded by the truth and you both keep rephrasing my sentences to something I did not say. Also let m… moree quote both of you
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
I did not say the baby should be bitten or freeze to death. I just said he isn't that important because some people cough cough keep bringing up the point that Howes doesn't have lots of baby formula as if it was a that important. The baby deserves to die a peaceful, merciful death in my opinion because who raises a baby in a world like this? I don't want the baby to suffer in a world like this.
She is selfish, she just sees her sister in Clem and probably can't bring herself into leaving another girl to die, but she will when the time comes and her back is against the wall, you'll see.
You call her a cold-hearted selfish woman who does not care for anyones being, including her sister in which she strived to keep alive for w… morehat we assume to be a massive amount of time.
She caused a fight with Kenny to show Clementine he was dangerous and reckless in the first place, and the first thing you say, is that she was selfish
You are the first person I think to ever support Jane for her deceitful manipulation tactics. How can you be happy that she took advantage of his emotional state to prove a point like he was a toy? And she didn't just take advantage of Kenny, she also deceived Clem into believing AJ was dead, she didn't allow Clem to make the decision on her own with no manipulation involved.She also left AJ unattended in a freezing car, do you have any idea what would have happened if AJ had cried out earlier and nobody had heard him? He would have attracted walkers to his location, and they'd break through the window and eat him. This doesn't seem to matter much to Jane, if it had she wouldn't have treated him as a mere tool for her own selfish desires. Jane was the one who made it known that she wanted to kill him first, not Kenny. In fact as much as Kenny disliked Jane, he showed concern for her safety, both immediately after the argument in the truck("You ok?" and then asked if the baby is ok), and right when she entered the rest stop with her faux sadness act on in full force("Are you ok?" and then he asked where the baby was.) Jane was the one who concocted this plan, fully knowing how Kenny would react if he was under the impression that AJ was dead, and also knew how he'd blame her if she was extremely vague about the details, and seeing as Kenny barely knows Jane and she has a rep for leaving the weak behind to save herself. She forced Clem into killing her longtime friend, and then she has the audacity to say that she didn't know Kenny would go that far? Bullshit. This was her plan from the moment she stepped into the rest stop, she made it known when she told Clem to stay out of it, and when she was the first to make a death threat("I'm going to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery") and pursued him outside after slashing him in the stomach. Jane was the one with killing intent, not Kenny until he realized what she planned to do to him.
He didn't touch Clem, why are you immediately deducing that because he yelled at Clem, because she was the last one with Sarita when she was bit, means that he's willing to beat/kill Clem? That is a quite a jump to make, especially seeing as Kenny has never shown any indication that he would ever harm a child.
Remember when Clem accidentally got Sarita killed? That was nothing compared to what he will do to Clem if she loses the baby. After Clement… moreine accidentally kills the baby he would lose all hope and immediately kill Clem. What's stopping him from doing so? Nothing is. She is the only one he can take his anger out on now. Why would I choose to go with the psycho man instead of with the smart, caring, knows how to survive, sane women?
I would say this is the pot calling the kettle black because in my view, a lot of Kenny supporters are blind to his actions and character. However, I wouldn't call any of them disgusting.
I understand where your coming from but Jaime and Clem aren't similar, she left Jaime because she gave up on living. I think she sees herself in Clementine, not Jaime
She is selfish, she just sees her sister in Clem and probably can't bring herself into leaving another girl to die, but she will when the time comes and her back is against the wall, you'll see.
He didn't touch Clem, why are you immediately deducing that because he yelled at Clem, because she was the last one with Sarita when she was… more bit, means that he's willing to beat/kill Clem? That is a quite a jump to make, especially seeing as Kenny has never shown any indication that he would ever harm a child.
I would say this is the pot calling the kettle black because in my view, a lot of Kenny supporters are blind to his actions and character. However, I wouldn't call any of them disgusting.
Thank you for clearing this mess, you can explain it better than me because it seems like people had resorted to talking smack about me because I support Kenny.
You are the first person I think to ever support Jane for her deceitful manipulation tactics. How can you be happy that she took advantage o… moref his emotional state to prove a point like he was a toy? And she didn't just take advantage of Kenny, she also deceived Clem into believing AJ was dead, she didn't allow Clem to make the decision on her own with no manipulation involved.She also left AJ unattended in a freezing car, do you have any idea what would have happened if AJ had cried out earlier and nobody had heard him? He would have attracted walkers to his location, and they'd break through the window and eat him. This doesn't seem to matter much to Jane, if it had she wouldn't have treated him as a mere tool for her own selfish desires. Jane was the one who made it known that she wanted to kill him first, not Kenny. In fact as much as Kenny disliked Jane, he showed concern for her safety, both immediately after the argument in the truck("Yo… [view original content]
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So you think letting a baby out in a snowstorm is better than being in a car? Putting a baby in a car is only bad if its a sunny day.
He didn't intentionally leave her to die but he chose to leave her alone in a herd of walkers because fuck her right? Actually if you've been on other threads you'd see I actually love both Kenny and Jane but in the end I chose Jane because ( because look at my post and you'll see why ). You are the one who clearly is stuck on the idea that Jane is selfish when I clearly told you why she isn't.
Yes, he constantly replaces his dead loved ones with another people just because he chooses not to let go of the past. There is no place in a world like this for a person like him. If you love Kenny then you would realize that putting him out of his suffering/misery is the best choice.
I'm not advocating Jane personally. I'm just tired of people constantly defending Kenny and acting as if though he's got a spotless past. You say you don't, but then you justify the majority of his decisions with horrible logic and it pisses me off.
Nope, it is out of the ordinary. He doesn't even choose to listen to her and immediately goes to choking her. He doesn't know shit about her and just knows what he wants to know about her. I wonder if he would do the same to Clem if she lost the baby ( pfft who am I kidding I know he will )
When I said Jane is selfless I meant she is selfless to Clem. Kenny wasn't selfless to anyone before except for Ben but that's just committing suicide seeing as how his family is all dead. Jane is selfless enough to put her life at risk for Clem. She could choose to leave Clem with Kenny but she chooses not to. I mean seriously, why would Jane want to kill Kenny anyway?
Call it horrible logic, I call it views, and I don't see what's your point, I never said he has a spotless past, if you looked at a thread I made a while ago I said my opinion about Kenny there, I don't know how deep it's buried now.
No, I'm saying leaving a baby anywhere to prove a goddamn point is dumb as fuuuuuuck.
No, that's not how he is thinking, I think everyone knows this isn't right.
Replaces? That's just horrible, I don't know what to say...
Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
First of all, don't tell me what's best for him, you clearly don't know that looking at what you think about him.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
Both of you are Pro-Kenny fans who are blinded by the truth and you both keep rephrasing my sentences to something I did not say. Also let me quote both of you
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
I did not say the baby should be bitten or freeze to death. I just said he isn't that important because some people cough cough keep bringing up the point that Howes doesn't have lots of baby formula as if it was a that important. The baby deserves to die a peaceful, merciful death in my opinion because who raises a baby in a world like this? I don't want the baby to suffer in a world like this.
Bad to know some people are just blinded from the truth when it's in front of them
Why should I have to look up your thread, when your actions on others speak volumes more?
It's a logical opinion. And we'll see
Me. You seem to have a huge double standard for acceptable Kenny behaviour and acceptable Jane behaviour.Me.
Why? Because she can't deal with him, she can't come to terms with him and it's the only way she knows how to rid of things she sees as "threats".
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You lost it xD
I'm out, this thread has taught me how ignorant some people can be.
Get yo facts straight and your mind in the right place.
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Did you ever lose someone you love? You can never replace things like that, so go blame him if he tries to find some happiness and hope in a world that took everything from him. Twice.
But that's just a selfish to take people and use them as a replacement. The moment the baby was born he took over it as if it was his own son.
Second of all, I already explained in this thread and in a thread I made dedicated to this topic as to why it's not, go look at it, I'm too tired to type a scroll.
I do know what's best for him and I know it is putting him out of his misery AKA killing him.
I am also tired of explaining to people why shooting Kenny is the right choice and why going with Jane is the right choice but some people, they just refuse to listen
double standards, ok..
You are right. She wanted to get rid of him somehow because he was a threat to both her and Clem but that plan was the only way of doing so.
I would like to see you try and throw a young teenage girl from the roof of one building to another
I'm sorry, it just wasn't the only way.
It was the only way to show Clem Kenny's true colors and when Clem saw Kenny like that she knew she'd have to leave him. Jane wanted to leave him immediately after the car argument because she couldn't take being with him for another moment. She knew Kenny was blinded by the fact that Wellington could be a myth ( Which was real in the end but they only accepted Clem and the baby ).
If she was my sister, I would gather the strength to do it.
And if I still couldn't, I'd find another solution.
I would call it horrible logic only because you completely ignore Janes' character and call her selfish.
Wow...
You clearly will never listen to me, @Belan may be able to explain this better...
'Oh wow. Nice sentence. You sound like u try hard. To look fancy. With sentences.'
What the fuck are you trying to even say?
And I'm saying your rampant impulsive defense of Kenny and hatred of Jane in the majority of threads I've witnessed you in tell me that whatever your stance on Kenny, you're going to keep up your actions. And everyone's entitled to their personal beliefs but you've shown that you're willingly turning a blind eye to a majority of the faults in Kenny and only going so far as to give reasons for his actions without expressing whether Kenny is entirely innocent. It leaves the impression that Kenny has done no wrong, when the opposite is true.
Just because Kenny has a legitimate reason to want Ben dead, doesn't justify cold-blooded murder. Tragedy doesn't justify more tragedy.
Clementine knowing that is not determinant, and she had to be there in that moment.
My point had nothing do with being less or more useful, just that it shows that for all her criticism Jane is not any better that Kenny.
I called her selfish for her reasons for doing that, which were that Luke and Sarah are important to Clem.
True.
The point was that Clem was there because of Jane.
She did well there, I am no trying to say any different, but you wrote that the nail saved her life, and I pointed out that it was determinant. Nothing more.
I am trying to say that Jane couldn´t care less about the group, in the end, at the only reason she stole for Arvo was because Clem cared for the group.
That part of the ice only broke after the whole group passed over it. The ice could have broke when Jane when to pick up Clem, but it was unlikely because it was not that fragile. That was also what I was saying by mentioning what happened with Arvo on the ice, that it was not that fragile.
She takes the baby out of the snow storm to abandon him in car, that´s not taking care of her. What if the baby started crying while the fighting was going on, the walkers heard and break the window to bite him? That the window was opaque for the outside does not mean shit to walkers, which are attracted by sound. You can say what you want, but Jane showed that she didn´t care that much about AJ by leaving him in the car.
She doesn´t show Kenny´s true colors, just that he has violent reactions when concerning his family or those he cares about getting killed or being in danger. Also, that Jane was the one that loosed the baby, one that said more than once that a baby is a burden, was the whole reason he reacted so strongly. Kenny didn´t choke her, he pushed her against the window of the Rest Stop. She is the one that goes for the kill first, slashing Kenny stomach, and she definitively wanted a fight. 'No happening. Is time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery', 'This is all your fucking fault', and the fact that she didn´t even once tried to explain what really happened with AJ show that she was looking for a fight to death. And one last thing: even if Clem doesn´t know, how Jane immediately drops her shocked and grieving act the second Kenny goes outside and that she says that you are going to see him for who he really is should make everyone realize she was lying.
You ignored a lot of my points regarding Howe´s, and being with a 'hardcore survivalist' doesn´t mean that a unsafe place is the best option, but whatever. Also, there are no reasons to think a group that gives supplies to random strangers could be that bad. Obviously bandits could be attracted to a place that looks to be doing so good, but you really think that a such a number of people with so many resources couldn´t quickly overwhelm any bandits? That there are so many people Wellington doesn´t mean is dangerous. Carver didn’t have any problems with that, so is reasonable that they had a system to prevent that and that Wellington has it too. Also, explain how the hell Wellington attracts walkers.
She did nothing for the group, yes. Some of her actions benefited the group, but she did everything for Clem and for herself. Kenny wasn´t forced to take the radio, he could have just let Clem dealt with Carver´s anger if he had wanted to. I didn´t say he was risking himself for his wife, but risking to be killed in front of her. He didn´t nearly get her killed. Carver´s interactions with Clem plainly show that he respects her and has plans for her, so her punishment couldn´t have been as severe as Kenny´s. He is angry with Clem right after losing Sarita, but he apologizes eventually. He stands for her every time prior to No Going Back- when Bonnie blames Clem about Luke´s death he is the only one who takes a moment to said that it was not her fault, for example-and he listens to Clem if she tells him to stop beating Arvo. Jane blames Clem for everything if you dissagre with her. Kenny doesn´t put 'excuses and bullshit lies', he just tells the truth. What prevented Jane for running to the car, open the door and show Kenny that AJ is alive and let Clem make her own mind about both of them? Nothing. Kenny wasn´t not admitting to be a problem, but what is best for AJ and Clem, even in the end.
I posted this again because you did it first. Also, you just outright ignored parts of my post.
Do I though? What is her character to you that I "ignore"?
If you read what I said in that other thread, you would realize I don't see Kenny as "entirely innocent".
I didn't mean that Kenny never wronged anyone, I meant that what Jane did is far worse than what Kenny ever did. Combined.
What cold-blooded murder? He didn't murder Ben.
You call her a cold-hearted selfish woman who does not care for anyones being, including her sister in which she strived to keep alive for what we assume to be a massive amount of time.
She caused a fight with Kenny to show Clementine he was dangerous and reckless in the first place, and the first thing you say, is that she was selfish
"That's not betrayal." In my eyes it was. I don't make things up. I respond to exactly what I see.
ErenCoral, my god, be serious. I never say you said that the baby should be bitten or freeze to death, I said that you look at Kenny´s actions and you say he should be put down when Jane leaving the baby to be bitten or freeze to death somehow doesn´t matter. Also, you saying that the baby is not even important anyway just a few posts back contradicts that you 'don´t want the baby to suffer in a world like this'.
She is selfish, she just sees her sister in Clem and probably can't bring herself into leaving another girl to die, but she will when the time comes and her back is against the wall, you'll see.
You are the first person I think to ever support Jane for her deceitful manipulation tactics. How can you be happy that she took advantage of his emotional state to prove a point like he was a toy? And she didn't just take advantage of Kenny, she also deceived Clem into believing AJ was dead, she didn't allow Clem to make the decision on her own with no manipulation involved.She also left AJ unattended in a freezing car, do you have any idea what would have happened if AJ had cried out earlier and nobody had heard him? He would have attracted walkers to his location, and they'd break through the window and eat him. This doesn't seem to matter much to Jane, if it had she wouldn't have treated him as a mere tool for her own selfish desires. Jane was the one who made it known that she wanted to kill him first, not Kenny. In fact as much as Kenny disliked Jane, he showed concern for her safety, both immediately after the argument in the truck("You ok?" and then asked if the baby is ok), and right when she entered the rest stop with her faux sadness act on in full force("Are you ok?" and then he asked where the baby was.) Jane was the one who concocted this plan, fully knowing how Kenny would react if he was under the impression that AJ was dead, and also knew how he'd blame her if she was extremely vague about the details, and seeing as Kenny barely knows Jane and she has a rep for leaving the weak behind to save herself. She forced Clem into killing her longtime friend, and then she has the audacity to say that she didn't know Kenny would go that far? Bullshit. This was her plan from the moment she stepped into the rest stop, she made it known when she told Clem to stay out of it, and when she was the first to make a death threat("I'm going to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery") and pursued him outside after slashing him in the stomach. Jane was the one with killing intent, not Kenny until he realized what she planned to do to him.
Oh come now. This is where people go too far. I hate Kenny because of the things he has done. That doesn't make me disgusting.
He didn't touch Clem, why are you immediately deducing that because he yelled at Clem, because she was the last one with Sarita when she was bit, means that he's willing to beat/kill Clem? That is a quite a jump to make, especially seeing as Kenny has never shown any indication that he would ever harm a child.
I would say this is the pot calling the kettle black because in my view, a lot of Kenny supporters are blind to his actions and character. However, I wouldn't call any of them disgusting.
I think I know what I meant, sorry for the misunderstanding, you read it wrong.
I understand where your coming from but Jaime and Clem aren't similar, she left Jaime because she gave up on living. I think she sees herself in Clementine, not Jaime
People adore Jane so much that they like to make extreme things up.
Apparently I'm an asshole also
I didn't agree either, but I am not blind to Kenny's actions, I didn't even support his character that much up until this episode.
Yeah I do justify him on things, but I'm not blind to things he did wrong.
Thank you for clearing this mess, you can explain it better than me because it seems like people had resorted to talking smack about me because I support Kenny.