How come even Kenny followers deny to follow own Kenny´s will?
I mean, Kenny himself knows he is losing it, also he hates being a liability and pulling people down with him too, like it was shown in these situations:
EXAMPLES, FACTS (making it clear because some stupid people below quoted each item of this list to say some non-sense):
He wanted the group to leave him behind when he took Carver´s beating in case he would not wake up so soon from his coma.
"Why couldn´t Carver finish me off? I´m not helping anyone by being here.", in the tent after being broken because of Sarita´s death.
Leaving only the kids at Wellington, because he doesn´t trust himself anymore.
Kenny expects people to follow Jane´s logic of not letting him pull down the others, ironically. I understand that people would appreciate this kind of selflessness, but he is clearly hopeless now. Since Season 1 his mental state only got worse and his angry issues never got better regardless how much he regrets things that he have done and apologized for. I´m not saying that i´m an asshole that would abandon friends at the first moment they are having difficulties and becoming a burden, but i have my limits for this and i know can´t do nothing for him now, just like Jane could do nothing for Jaime, and i would give up on Sarah too in the trailer if it wasn´t for my plot protection, honestly. The best i could do for him now would be the best for my survival, conciliating morality whenever possible, obviously, so what Lee, Luke, Kenny and many others did would not be in vain, and it would be to stay away from him considering how unstable and dangerous he is, potentially being able to get me killed indirectly, even he knows this.
Taking all this in consideration, i think people who are so loyal to stick with him for that far, despite all the clear odds it represents, are blindly driven by emotion, i mean, who would trust his life with someone who doesn´t trust himself to protect you? That´s absolutely stupid.
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This is probably why they gave us different endings, while you think Kenny is losing it I think he is probably getting better.. Only time will tell and I chose the Wellington option because I think Kenny and Clems relationship to be unhealthy, it's also what he wanted. And to be fair Clem deserves to be a kid for a while
"Blindly driven by emotion" is pretty harsh don't you think?
"I think people who are so loyal to stick with him for that far, despite all the clear odds it represents, are blindly driven by emotion."
Is there a problem with that?
Because, duh, this never happens. Seriously. He never says that he wanted to be left behind.
You answered your own question. What did you expect, that after the dead of his wife he could be all sunshine and rainbows and that life is wonderful?
Because there was no spot for him, Wellington could keep them safe and allow them to life a more normal life, no because he doesn´t trust himself anymore.
"Please, Clementine, stay here, stay where you don´t have to sleep with a gun next you every nigth, stay were you can life a normal life..."
Who's to say Wellington won't fall? Who knows what's behind those gates? Wellington is also a big target for bandits.... My brain was telling to t stay at Wellington.. But my heart was telling me to go with kenny.. I know it may sound cliche but that's that... I would rather Clem be around someone who cares for her and looks out fr her 110% than behind those walls with god knows who and what is inside.
You help the folks you care about and you don't leave friends behind.
He said he didn't think he could keep the safe anymore. So yeah, He doesn't trust himself.
Could you really felt confident about yourself when you have withing arms reach something-Wellington-that can do everything you want to do and better?
Spoiler alert: nope.
It's about not losing faith in your oldest friend. When i was making my decision the first time I arrived at Wellington there were a few quotes that sprung through my head.
One being what Kenny says in season one when you find the couple in the mansion "You don't just end it, you stick it out and help the people you care about."
Another was Bonnie's words earlier in that episode "When is the last time anyone has done what you wanted Clemenine?"
I tried to role-play Clementine around some of the traits she expressed in season one, mercy, loyalty, trust, hope. At that point i realised that it was not about adhering to Kenny's wishes but about not loosing your faith in his rehabilitation. This was the only person in the world that Clementine knew to be alive that she had known since back when there was still an idea of hope. He was her last family member, and you don't leave those behind.
Besides, all communities Clementine has encountered at that point eventually fell to the walkers. If I'm being grim I can only admit that I suspect Wellington will meet such a fate too one day. The Motor Inn, the Snt. John Dairy, Crawford, Howe's. All places eventually fall.
And lastly, driving by your emotions is not wrong. It's what will retain your humanity.
Kenny has PTSD, , i understand what he is going through. A lot of people see Kenny as a broken man, and have given up on him. I see him as a good man who needs a helping hand. Regardless of what choices you made in Season 1, Kenny was there with us through the whole game. I think this line pretty much sums up my feelings for Kenny. Do i love him yes. Do i hate him, sometimes.
I think Eric Cartman says it best in the Casa Bonita Episode.
"o, fine, Kyle, but honestly, I never meant to make you feel like you didn't matter at all to me. I know we argue all the time and I give you tons of crap, but we've also been through a, a lot together, and... maybe that alone doesn't make us friends, but it makes us something. So, ...whatever, you know, just... ah I hope... things will be cool." Sauce
I stayed at Wellington. I felt it was the ending that would finally bring him peace of mind, knowing he finally got the kids to safety. In that ending, he saw through to what Lee wanted but could not do, which was to find a safe place for Clem [and now AJ].
In a way, he finished the job Lee and later Christa were seeing to. Lee and Christa would have done exactly the same as Kenny did if they were the ones that managed to get her to Wellington, which was to beg her to stay at the cost of their own safety. That gives me a lot of closure.
"You thought about the kids before you thought about yourself, Lee. That's what a real man does." - Kenny in EP2
Kenny was broke, he had issues, but he was still Kenny deep down, a good man. He was never going to become someone like Carver. It just wouldn't work. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying close attention to his character.
Sticking with him wouldn't really bring him too much peace since he'd still be paranoid about the kids' safety, but maybe knowing that Wellington is there and that they might be accepting members soon would ease his mind. I still think Clem staying at Wellington is the best ending for him, though. At least then, I can be sure that he's finally at peace with himself.
I stuck with Kenny. Its the best ending for me.
I don't like Kenny all that much, but I can see and understand why people are loyal to him until the end. Also I don't think Kenny's fan base is "blindly driven" they are just loyal.
He never said he wanted to be left behind.
Jesus Christ. You just answered your own question. You really would do anything a broken man tells you to do? Okay, go jump off a balcony.
Who in the blue hell are you to keep assuming such?
This is the equivalent of that:
"I think everyone who picked Jane is a virgin teenager who wants to stick around with a sexy girl."
I went with him because I genuinely care about the guy. Additionally, his last acts proved he deeply cared about both AJ and Clem. Kenny has done a lot for My Clementine and I felt it was only fair if I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he's going through rough times. I couldn't just let him leave and agree with everything he was saying. Specially when he had just proved he's perfectly capable of raising above insanity to protect those he cares about.
I don't like uncertainty...Anything could happen during the months they're camping outside Wellington during a harsh winter. At least the other ending gives me closure. That's just me, though.
I hear ya, but for me going into that pot was just as uncertain if not even more. But maybe that's just my Walking Dead paranoia
To be honest it wasn't a hard decision for me. I didn't like Wellington, it reminds me of Carver's camp, I mean who knows who's in Wellington? It might be a dangerous place for both Clem and Aj. Wellington could be a place full of bandits, murderers or rapists, so it was obvious for me to stay with Kenny. In my opinion, Kenny is the only trustworthy person left after Lee, he cares about Clem and Aj and I'm sure he would sacrifice himself for them.
One of the things I was remembering during the Wellington scene was Lee's advice to never get trapped. Wellington looks like a huge trap to me. All it takes is one accident inside the walls to cause an internal zombie outbreak, in which case the walls would only serve to keep the survivors trapped inside. I also got the impression that Wellington is one of those places where once you go in, you stay in. The only problem was that I was too tempted to check it out, so I stayed anyway.
How do you even know that is a safe place. I rather stick with what i know then go into a situation blind. Besides Clementine loves Kenny, she didn't want to leave him, and if i did leave Kenny i know that he wouldn't make it. I want all of us to make it. Clems words "we don't leave friends behind."
I'm not trying to say your choice was wrong, sorry if it sounded like that.
They seemed nice enough to be willing to take the kids, and give them extra bags.
Edith's even nearly crying in the "stay with Kenny" ending, so they seem like good folk if even their guard is nice like that.
All of Carver's guards were dicks, for example. The guy that shoots Alvin, Tavia, Bonnie, Troy...
I agree they seemed nice. The uncertainty was not because I doubted Wellington was a nice place but rather that I doubt it will last. My Lee told Clementine not to stay in one place too long and at that point in season 2 all communities have fallen in Clementine's experience.
I agree. Kenny is not a broken man. He is a wounded man. He's been through HELL and survived. Most people in his case would just give up, put a bullet in their heads and end it. But he held onto life, not just for himself, but the people that counted on him. And I truly believe he loved Clem like a daughter. So what happens if you don't help someone to heal their wounds? The constant pain will keep making him bitter and angry and after some point the pain and anger will start to define who he is. When someone you care is wounded (not just physically) you help them, you don't abandon them or give up on them. I'm not saying I agreed with everything Kenny did/say, there were plenty of times I disagreed with him, but in most cases I supported him and tried to approach calmly, he always responded positively to me. So when he was begging Clem to stay in Wellington, I was heartbroken. Everything he did, all his mistakes, his pain and regrets he confessed it all. I knew what a great sacrifice he was making for Clem and AJ, but I could not find it in my heart to abandon him. Because I knew it would be the end of him. He may never be the same Kenny as before, but he will get better by caring AJ and raising him, with Clem's help, it will help healing his wounds. That's what I like to believe.
Besides having A LOT lower chances of survival, none.
What´s your point actually? What you are trying to prove?
About the first quote: Pick the choice "Kenny would want us to leave" when Luke suggests the possible need of leaving him behind at S2E3.
And all i was saying was examples and facts to illustrate Kenny´s selflessness, if you didn´t notice.
I can give you kind of the same post to the guy above, that made some quotes:
What´s your point actually? What you are trying to prove? (With the second quote especifically, while the first one is a fact that you don´t know) All i was saying was facts, examples to illustrate Kenny´s selflessness, i wasn´t questioning or criticizing anything. I could say you just were a moron for no reason at all.
About the first quote: Pick the choice "Kenny would want us to leave" when Luke suggests the possible need of leaving him behind at S2E3.
About the last part, "Who in the blue hell are you to keep assuming such?", it´s MY OPINION, it´s freedom of expression, you are not obligated to agree and i am not obligated to convince you, i am not gonna stress myself anymore with such a jackass response.
I would rather be with a crazy emotional man than a manipulating liar, but that is just me.
That you're wrong.
Eh, what exactly do you expect from such an absurd generalization? You're generalizing the whole fanbase as morons blinded by love. It's your opinion, sooo? I have every right to respond when I feel like your post is directed towards me. Which it is. I'm a Kenny fan.
You know what else is hilarious? How you're twisting Kenny's insanity around for your convenience.
First, you say that he's dangerous and should be left behind. However, you proceeded to call people out for not following Kenny's will and not doing everything he says.
In other words, we should leave him behind after we obey him.
The fuck kind of logic is this?
Sorry. I didn't mean to stress you or make you mad.
Yes you did, we all know you are Evuhl >:o)
Maaaaaybe. (;
That´s what Clem could (determinantly) think, now what Kenny thinks.
That you are biased, and your reasons are stupid.
I laughed.
Did you ever think about being a comedian?
Thank you CrazyGeorge.
Another bait thread? :P
....why can't we all just be friends?
Because that would be too easy.
Dude pick the choice and Kenny confirms it as he awakes, stop saying shit without even seeing it
Whatever
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You aren't being fair, each of those times he said something about everyone being better off without him, he's either just lost a loved one right in front of him that day, or he was sacrificing himself so the children have a safe place to live. And the point about him being in a coma is just ridiculous, when did he even have a chance to tell them to leave him? While he was in a coma, or while he was getting the shit beaten out of him by Carver?
I liken it to this. Kenny in Season 2 reminds me of people in my own life. People we also know in our own lives. These are the people we know and love and are depressed or suicidal and we know they want a way out. Does that mean because they're broken and hurting that we give up on them? NO. WE DON'T give up on them. I'll be the first to admit Kenny can be irrational, has anger problems, and is NOT perfect, but given the choices, I would choose Kenny even if he still thinks he's not worth sticking around for. Family is there when no one else is, and in the end, I'll choose family over safety.
He was giving hand signals while Carver was beating him, then when he was unconscious he gave a very telling series of deep breaths.
Leave him alone.
The guy is having a rough day. Look at his outburst of inmaturity and written garbage in his last response to me. I never have enough of systematically humilliating moronic meatheads like him.
Seriously, the hurting will be double if he pulls the same shit on you.