I'm just curious why you think it had to be done? I don't want this to turn into a debate I just want to see you elaborate on that statement so I can understand it better.
Jane is a hell of a character. Me and her have similar mentalities. I liked Kenny, Specially in S2, Killing him was a hard decision to me, But it had to be done.
I'm deeply disturbed that more people choose Kenny is Love Kenny is Life as the most popular pro-Kenny choice, it really makes the Kenny fanbase seem like fanatics, which I am not.
"Kenny was a racist, hypocritical, redneck Christian and I always disliked him." I didn't pick this but someone did and I found it hilarious… more XD
As for my reasoning to letting him die.... I'll just quote Nick quoting Carlos "Luke, he's becoming a danger to the group.".
I liked Jane a lot...until she pulled that stunt at the rest stop. In that moment I let Jane die because I thought she killed or left AJ, and I didn't care if she lived or died. She said stay out of it, so I did, although it wasn't an easy decision. I'm not going to kill someone I've known for a long time over a lie, even if Kenny was quick to judgement with his blatant overreaction. Jane obviously didn't help matters by provoking him with her knife...
It was pretty obvious she knew how Kenny would react and was ready to face those consequences...
I voted "He was going to murder Jane and it was morally wrong." That's the point I've been arguing this entire time, and I'm not going to betray it now. I loved Kenny, but I couldn't let him do that.
I'm deeply disturbed that more people choose Kenny is Love Kenny is Life as the most popular pro-Kenny choice, it really makes the Kenny fanbase seem like fanatics, which I am not.
I really liked Kenny. He was a really good friend to Lee in my season 1 and so naturally he was a really good friend to Clem. I did call him out on his shit when I thought he was going overboard in each game, but he was still a really good friend to both characters. Shooting him was painful.
I was liking Jane too at that point in the game. I did not forgive her for making me shoot Kenny, though in my first play I just kept quiet when she asked me to forgive her, so that's my "cannon" ending. I didn't want to say "I'm not going anywhere with you" because I feel that Clem is safer with her than without, but I did not forgive her, and my Clem never will.
For the poll I chose option 2 because that's "why" I shot him boiled down to one sentence. He was going to murder her. I have been ruthless to murders in each game.
I killed the St. Johns because they were murdering people. I left bitchface on the side of the road. In season 2 I told Luke to shoot Carver. Fucker killed people in cold blood for stupid reasons.
I was much more hesitant with Kenny. Murder is the worst thing a person can do, outside of doing a whole bunch of shit before murder. I don't care how mad Kenny was, I could not let him murder Jane.
Basically I won't kill somebody unless I see them murder somebody, or see that they are about to murder somebody, and then I feel like it's my responsibility to try my best to prevent the murder, or to take them down so they don't do it again.
If Kenny wouldn't have overpowered her, she would have done the same thing. She pulled all of his triggers to make him lose his shit, just to prove a point that "he's dangerous". Like, no shit. You talked shit about his family, his girlfriend, you hid the baby, you were out for blood, you started a fight (which Kenny even said she could have stopped if she had just said he was fine) and you expect the man not to be dangerous?
Please, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind if you chose/like Jane. I'm just putting in some evidence against your point.
I voted "He was going to murder Jane and it was morally wrong." That's the point I've been arguing this entire time, and I'm not going to betray it now. I loved Kenny, but I couldn't let him do that.
If Kenny wouldn't have overpowered her, she would have done the same thing. She pulled all of his triggers to make him lose his shit, just t… moreo prove a point that "he's dangerous". Like, no shit. You talked shit about his family, his girlfriend, you hid the baby, you were out for blood, you started a fight (which Kenny even said she could have stopped if she had just said he was fine) and you expect the man not to be dangerous?
Please, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind if you chose/like Jane. I'm just putting in some evidence against your point.
I voted that he was becoming dangerous and had to be stopped.
I get that he lost control when he had thought that AJ was dead, anyone would become emotional over it. But he lacked the restraint to point fingers and attempted murder of someone who claimed that the baby died in an accident, he assumes that he knows what had happened with the baby and murdering them over it would be justifiable. He continued to refuse to learn how to take criticism, control his anger and violent impulses, and I couldn't take the risk of keeping him around anymore in case Clementine does something wrong involving AJ and Kenny returns to his old ways and turns on her, especially if Clementine continues to stick with him alone.
I wasn't fond of Jane myself due to the EP4 and the Sarah business, but when Kenny tried to murder her for something she may not have done and not give her the chance to tell her story, I knew it was the end of the line with him and he had to be stopped. I stuck with Jane as being alone with a baby with no known supplies was suicidal, and I needed another companion to rely on for the long run.
First off, Kenny's loath for Jane and his idea of respect bugged me. I don't think that me and Kenny would have worked out.
Secondly, Kenny's impulsive behavior is caused by the deaths of his loved one, I understand that. But he originally was very self-obsessed about his opinions and he isn't an open-minded person.
Thirdly, His behavior was about to cause the death of Jane, One of my favorite characters ever. So, I couldn't let it slide this time, I had to act. But that doesn't meant that I don't care about Kenny, He lost his eye for me after all. His last words almost made cry.
I'm just curious why you think it had to be done? I don't want this to turn into a debate I just want to see you elaborate on that statement so I can understand it better.
Just out of curioisity, why do you like him more in Season 2?
People who are not hardcore fans of him are on the fence about this. However, I've seen a couple of them point out that, despite being crazier, he's slightly more sympathetic this season.
Is that why? Or maybe it's because he didn't get on the players' asses based on their decisions.
Jane is a hell of a character. Me and her have similar mentalities. I liked Kenny, Specially in S2, Killing him was a hard decision to me, But it had to be done.
Just out of curioisity, why do you like him more in Season 2?
People who are not hardcore fans of him are on the fence about this. Howeve… morer, I've seen a couple of them point out that, despite being crazier, he's slightly more sympathetic this season.
Is that why? Or maybe it's because he didn't get on the players' asses based on their decisions.
Nah, is not that i didn't like Kenny. I just taught he was totally crazy. I was mad at Jane for not saving Sarah (c-c) but it's not her fault (well, not in the second at least.) I think everyone noticed how he changed in episode 3 after Carver beated him. I ws nice to him and Jane and everyone else (exept carver lel) in the whole game. SO yah. And kenny had no right to try to kill Jane since se basically didn't talk
I DID like Jane over Kenny, but the #1 thing that influenced my decision was that as far as I knew, Wellington was another boat dream, and Jane wanted to go back to Howe's. I thought Kenny was gonna drag me to Wellington with him if he got his way and killed Jane.
I have to agree with you on this. When Kenny finally has the upper hand, I think she calls out for help from Clem. She told Clem not to get involved so why should Clem pick up the gun? Jane started the fight so she had to deal with the consequences.
I never did like Jane but that doesn't mean I hate her and wanted her to die. I just couldn't find the same connection with her that I had with the other characters.
I could tell that i was a setup so I let Jane finish the fight that she wanted to start, the only thing she proved in the end is that Kenny … morewill go through fire to prevent harm upon Clem and AJ, that's good enough for me.
For the record, I actually liked Jane. I never wanted her as Clem's guardian but I had no ill will towards her and would have saved her if it didn't require shooting Kenny, it was just a stupid stunt she pulled and I suppose she got to pay the prize.
Yeah, I should've added that because a lot of people have been stating that as their reasoning for not getting involved. And after thinking about how the whole scene panned out, that's honestly probably how I feel about it now. Jane asked me to stay out, but I wasn't gonna let her kill Kenny.
Yeah, I should've added that because a lot of people have been stating that as their reasoning for not getting involved. And after thinking … moreabout how the whole scene panned out, that's honestly probably how I feel about it now. Jane asked me to stay out, but I wasn't gonna let her kill Kenny.
Didn't see a 'Kenny has been there since the beginning, he is the only family Clem has left and I could never shoot him' option. So I picked the next closest thing.
Of course she would have at that point, and I would've shot her if she were in Kenny's place. It's the act of putting someone in a defenseless position, and needlessly murdering them. Yes, him killing her was needless, sitting on top of a person and pushing a knife into their chest isn't okay any way I look at it. I don't personally believe Jane was out for blood in the beginning, she tells Clementine she didn't think Kenny would go that far, and at one point she tells Kenny to "just go", implying, at least to me, that she didn't want anyone to be killed. Kenny, on the other hand, was out for blood from the start of the fight. Granted, the fight itself was Jane's fault, and she knew to an extent what was going to happen, what Kenny was about to commit was murder (I've explained numerous times exactly how it was murder), and it was morally wrong. That's why I chose what I chose.
Anyway, thank you for being kind in your reply, and although I respect your opinion on the matter, I am a very logical person when it comes to debates like this, and I don't think someone who says "I just really fucking hate Jane" is going to be perfectly unbiased when relaying their argument. But that's not exactly to say that you can't.
If Kenny wouldn't have overpowered her, she would have done the same thing. She pulled all of his triggers to make him lose his shit, just t… moreo prove a point that "he's dangerous". Like, no shit. You talked shit about his family, his girlfriend, you hid the baby, you were out for blood, you started a fight (which Kenny even said she could have stopped if she had just said he was fine) and you expect the man not to be dangerous?
Please, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind if you chose/like Jane. I'm just putting in some evidence against your point.
Telltale tried to make me kill Kenny and I didn't do it. Although I stopped at Wellington but I had my reasons, at least there's still a realm of possibility he's out there somewhere being good ol' Kenny!!!
Oh trust me, when I say that I hate Jane, it doesn't change my empathic way. I see what she was trying to prove, yes, but I don't exactly like it. Like Kenny said, Jane could have said that AJ was fine, and that would have stopped everything. He thought that she let the baby die, that's why he'd go batshit crazy for taking away the one thing he had left (Other than Clementine).
"I don't personally believe Jane was out for blood in the beginning, she tells Clementine she didn't think Kenny would go that far"
Let's be honest, Jane knew exactly what she was doing. What did she expect him to do? Just say "Oh, that's okay, Jane. Accidents happen!" and laugh? Jane pulled all his triggers for a reason, she wanted him to try and kill her so he'd look bad in front of Clementine. Jane was truly out for blood, that's the way I see it. She even says she's going to "Put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery" to Clem.
Anyway, you're welcome (referring to the thank you in your comment) that I didn't burst out like Kenny die-hard fans would. I keep my cool. Regularly...
Of course she would have at that point, and I would've shot her if she were in Kenny's place. It's the act of putting someone in a defensele… moress position, and needlessly murdering them. Yes, him killing her was needless, sitting on top of a person and pushing a knife into their chest isn't okay any way I look at it. I don't personally believe Jane was out for blood in the beginning, she tells Clementine she didn't think Kenny would go that far, and at one point she tells Kenny to "just go", implying, at least to me, that she didn't want anyone to be killed. Kenny, on the other hand, was out for blood from the start of the fight. Granted, the fight itself was Jane's fault, and she knew to an extent what was going to happen, what Kenny was about to commit was murder (I've explained numerous times exactly how it was murder), and it was morally wrong. That's why I chose what I chose.
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If someone says "I'm going to beat and rob that person; stay out of it", will you obey without question as long as someone else makes the moral decision? Do you at least need to know and trust the person to let them command you?
Yeah, I wasn't even going to let my Clementine pick up the gun at that point. It was like, they asked me to stay out, so I'm staying out bit… moreches.
Haha! I should've included multiple choices, but I felt since we only got one ending one choice was fair enough.
That logic doesn't hold up. Is your morality really decided by other people instead of what you think is right and wrong? Do you do whatever people tell you to do?
What if someone said "I'm going to beat and rob that person; stay out of it."? Would that make it right?
Jane telling you to stay out of it does not mean that letting her be murdered is the right thing to do.
That logic doesn't hold up. Is your morality really decided by other people instead of what you think is right and wrong? Do you do whatever… more people tell you to do?
What if someone said "I'm going to beat and rob that person; stay out of it."? Would that make it right?
Jane telling you to stay out of it does not mean that letting her be murdered is the right thing to do.
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I'm just curious why you think it had to be done? I don't want this to turn into a debate I just want to see you elaborate on that statement so I can understand it better.
I'm deeply disturbed that more people choose Kenny is Love Kenny is Life as the most popular pro-Kenny choice, it really makes the Kenny fanbase seem like fanatics, which I am not.
I liked Jane a lot...until she pulled that stunt at the rest stop. In that moment I let Jane die because I thought she killed or left AJ, and I didn't care if she lived or died. She said stay out of it, so I did, although it wasn't an easy decision. I'm not going to kill someone I've known for a long time over a lie, even if Kenny was quick to judgement with his blatant overreaction. Jane obviously didn't help matters by provoking him with her knife...
It was pretty obvious she knew how Kenny would react and was ready to face those consequences...
I voted "He was going to murder Jane and it was morally wrong." That's the point I've been arguing this entire time, and I'm not going to betray it now. I loved Kenny, but I couldn't let him do that.
THEN YOU'RE A NOT A TRUE KENNYIST. COME, JOIN THE DARK SIDE OF THE JANE.
I really liked Kenny. He was a really good friend to Lee in my season 1 and so naturally he was a really good friend to Clem. I did call him out on his shit when I thought he was going overboard in each game, but he was still a really good friend to both characters. Shooting him was painful.
I was liking Jane too at that point in the game. I did not forgive her for making me shoot Kenny, though in my first play I just kept quiet when she asked me to forgive her, so that's my "cannon" ending. I didn't want to say "I'm not going anywhere with you" because I feel that Clem is safer with her than without, but I did not forgive her, and my Clem never will.
For the poll I chose option 2 because that's "why" I shot him boiled down to one sentence. He was going to murder her. I have been ruthless to murders in each game.
I killed the St. Johns because they were murdering people. I left bitchface on the side of the road. In season 2 I told Luke to shoot Carver. Fucker killed people in cold blood for stupid reasons.
I was much more hesitant with Kenny. Murder is the worst thing a person can do, outside of doing a whole bunch of shit before murder. I don't care how mad Kenny was, I could not let him murder Jane.
Basically I won't kill somebody unless I see them murder somebody, or see that they are about to murder somebody, and then I feel like it's my responsibility to try my best to prevent the murder, or to take them down so they don't do it again.
I just really fucking hate Jane.
If Kenny wouldn't have overpowered her, she would have done the same thing. She pulled all of his triggers to make him lose his shit, just to prove a point that "he's dangerous". Like, no shit. You talked shit about his family, his girlfriend, you hid the baby, you were out for blood, you started a fight (which Kenny even said she could have stopped if she had just said he was fine) and you expect the man not to be dangerous?
Please, don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind if you chose/like Jane. I'm just putting in some evidence against your point.
This.
So much this.
Nah, I loved Kenny and grew fond of Jane. I would've stopped either one of them from killing the other.
I voted that he was becoming dangerous and had to be stopped.
I get that he lost control when he had thought that AJ was dead, anyone would become emotional over it. But he lacked the restraint to point fingers and attempted murder of someone who claimed that the baby died in an accident, he assumes that he knows what had happened with the baby and murdering them over it would be justifiable. He continued to refuse to learn how to take criticism, control his anger and violent impulses, and I couldn't take the risk of keeping him around anymore in case Clementine does something wrong involving AJ and Kenny returns to his old ways and turns on her, especially if Clementine continues to stick with him alone.
I wasn't fond of Jane myself due to the EP4 and the Sarah business, but when Kenny tried to murder her for something she may not have done and not give her the chance to tell her story, I knew it was the end of the line with him and he had to be stopped. I stuck with Jane as being alone with a baby with no known supplies was suicidal, and I needed another companion to rely on for the long run.
There's nothing wrong with it.
First off, Kenny's loath for Jane and his idea of respect bugged me. I don't think that me and Kenny would have worked out.
Secondly, Kenny's impulsive behavior is caused by the deaths of his loved one, I understand that. But he originally was very self-obsessed about his opinions and he isn't an open-minded person.
Thirdly, His behavior was about to cause the death of Jane, One of my favorite characters ever. So, I couldn't let it slide this time, I had to act. But that doesn't meant that I don't care about Kenny, He lost his eye for me after all. His last words almost made cry.
PS: I've never cried while playing a game.
Just out of curioisity, why do you like him more in Season 2?
People who are not hardcore fans of him are on the fence about this. However, I've seen a couple of them point out that, despite being crazier, he's slightly more sympathetic this season.
Is that why? Or maybe it's because he didn't get on the players' asses based on their decisions.
Yes, Because He's more sympathetic. He lost his eye for me, It's something that can not be overlooked. He really struck me as Lee 2.0. in 202 and 203.
Nah, is not that i didn't like Kenny. I just taught he was totally crazy. I was mad at Jane for not saving Sarah (c-c) but it's not her fault (well, not in the second at least.) I think everyone noticed how he changed in episode 3 after Carver beated him. I ws nice to him and Jane and everyone else (exept carver lel) in the whole game. SO yah. And kenny had no right to try to kill Jane since se basically didn't talk
This is no better then the Luke vs. Kenny threads.
Fuck both of them. #TeamNick
Yeah man, he knows where the fucking river is.
I DID like Jane over Kenny, but the #1 thing that influenced my decision was that as far as I knew, Wellington was another boat dream, and Jane wanted to go back to Howe's. I thought Kenny was gonna drag me to Wellington with him if he got his way and killed Jane.
I need "Jane told me to stay out of this, so I stayed out of this" answer.
i really liked jane until she became crazy manipulative
I have to agree with you on this. When Kenny finally has the upper hand, I think she calls out for help from Clem. She told Clem not to get involved so why should Clem pick up the gun? Jane started the fight so she had to deal with the consequences.
I never did like Jane but that doesn't mean I hate her and wanted her to die. I just couldn't find the same connection with her that I had with the other characters.
Yeah, I should've added that because a lot of people have been stating that as their reasoning for not getting involved. And after thinking about how the whole scene panned out, that's honestly probably how I feel about it now. Jane asked me to stay out, but I wasn't gonna let her kill Kenny.
YaaaaaaassssKennySlayyyHerrrDadddyyyyyy
honestly if that were nick in Jane's position, I'd shoot Kenny in a heart beat.
I didn't want my Clem to become a killer. I hesitated for a while, though.
Didn't see a 'Kenny has been there since the beginning, he is the only family Clem has left and I could never shoot him' option. So I picked the next closest thing.
Kenny is love, Kenny is life.
Of course she would have at that point, and I would've shot her if she were in Kenny's place. It's the act of putting someone in a defenseless position, and needlessly murdering them. Yes, him killing her was needless, sitting on top of a person and pushing a knife into their chest isn't okay any way I look at it. I don't personally believe Jane was out for blood in the beginning, she tells Clementine she didn't think Kenny would go that far, and at one point she tells Kenny to "just go", implying, at least to me, that she didn't want anyone to be killed. Kenny, on the other hand, was out for blood from the start of the fight. Granted, the fight itself was Jane's fault, and she knew to an extent what was going to happen, what Kenny was about to commit was murder (I've explained numerous times exactly how it was murder), and it was morally wrong. That's why I chose what I chose.
Anyway, thank you for being kind in your reply, and although I respect your opinion on the matter, I am a very logical person when it comes to debates like this, and I don't think someone who says "I just really fucking hate Jane" is going to be perfectly unbiased when relaying their argument. But that's not exactly to say that you can't.
I dislike both, they are each crazy and dangerous in their own way. So it was better to make off alone. (I killed em both).
Telltale tried to make me kill Kenny and I didn't do it. Although I stopped at Wellington but I had my reasons, at least there's still a realm of possibility he's out there somewhere being good ol' Kenny!!!
Kenny is love Kenny is life.
Oh trust me, when I say that I hate Jane, it doesn't change my empathic way. I see what she was trying to prove, yes, but I don't exactly like it. Like Kenny said, Jane could have said that AJ was fine, and that would have stopped everything. He thought that she let the baby die, that's why he'd go batshit crazy for taking away the one thing he had left (Other than Clementine).
"I don't personally believe Jane was out for blood in the beginning, she tells Clementine she didn't think Kenny would go that far"
Let's be honest, Jane knew exactly what she was doing. What did she expect him to do? Just say "Oh, that's okay, Jane. Accidents happen!" and laugh? Jane pulled all his triggers for a reason, she wanted him to try and kill her so he'd look bad in front of Clementine. Jane was truly out for blood, that's the way I see it. She even says she's going to "Put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery" to Clem.
Anyway, you're welcome (referring to the thank you in your comment) that I didn't burst out like Kenny die-hard fans would. I keep my cool. Regularly...
Is your morality really decided by other people?
If someone says "I'm going to beat and rob that person; stay out of it", will you obey without question as long as someone else makes the moral decision? Do you at least need to know and trust the person to let them command you?
That logic doesn't hold up. Is your morality really decided by other people instead of what you think is right and wrong? Do you do whatever people tell you to do?
What if someone said "I'm going to beat and rob that person; stay out of it."? Would that make it right?
Jane telling you to stay out of it does not mean that letting her be murdered is the right thing to do.
Kenny is dead as well. >:D
Do you realize that you f#@ing are trying to evoke another flame war between the Jane vs Kenny topic deliberately?
Kenny is dead in the non-canon ending
I was joking, bruh. I don't wanna start another Jane vs Kenny thing, so I'm just gonna repeat after myself - I didn't want my Clem to become killer.