Huh, I just found a new double standard.
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Kenny is mourning Sarita and blames Clem for her death, but that's okay because he loved her. Bonnie is mourning Luke, who she also loved, but she's a bitch because she blames Clem for his death.
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I don't really agree with your post unless you provide evidence.
No sure if serious...First of all, Sarita´s death is mostly Clem´s fault. Second, Bonnie blames you if you chose to cover Luke, despite that she caused Luke´s death herself if you chose that. Also, leaving with all the supplies, too. And saying to Mike 'Just leave her' when Clem is shot in the shoulder.
I think the difference is because Kenny apalogised for what he said to Clementine whereas Bonnie will tell Mike to leave you after Arvo shot you if you chose not to save Luke so there is more reason to hate on her.
See this is evidence I can agree with.
There was a time gap though. I love Kenny, but even he'll abandon you in a herd of walkers regardless of what you did because he's pissed at you. He can also determinately call her a 'stupid f*cking kid'. You probably don't need to remember that other line when they meet again. If Bonnie did that we'd probably be baying for her blood. She ditched Clem like a few hours afterwards anyway, so she wouldn't have a chance to apologise if she wanted to. Remember Kenny apologised after a few days, unless you count the tent scene.
That being said, I still dislike Bonnie and it was stupid that she blamed it on Clem , I just agree with what MindWeb was saying about double standards.
Well he still would have saved Lee in Episode 1 even if he were an "asshole" to Kenny.
Sorry just a correction, Kenny could apologise later that night if you set out straight away in E4.
Also I think Clementine killing the walker and getting blamed by Kenny is more comparable to Bonnie blaming Clementine (it wasn't Clem's fault either time.) Though yes I'm positive that Bonnie rushing over to Luke killed him off.
Actions speak louder than words. You know..
Yes this is all true both leave you to die after someone they like dies/gets a death sentence and are mad at you. The difference is kenny fans are blindly loyal and Bonnie vanishes straight after
Also Bonnie kind of blames you when its really her fault.... thats what pisses off most people.
Kenny didn't steal all of the supplies and only vehicle from the group, condemning them all to death, including an infant, because he blamed Clem. Bonnie did. When Kenny was angry, he isolated himself for a little, pulled himself together, and helped the whole group out despite not always agreeing with them and having only known them for a few days.
Well, it depends on how you handled the Sarita situation. If you kill the walker, Kenny's being a royal prick about it just to make himself feel better. If you cut off Sarita's arm, you're directly responsible for her dying in the herd, and Kenny's rage is more understandable. Also, Bonnie was a complete idiot getting closer despite Luke's warnings and causing both of them to fall in the water, so it didn't help when she blamed Clementine for her own stupidity and distrust of Luke's warnings.
A better double standard is the one I brought up a while back about people giving shit to Sarah for not doing her work at Carver's camp because she had to know it would make life difficult for all involved, while nobody breathed a word about how stupid Kenny was being in starting a fight with Mike because he refused to do manual labor for Carver, which also would have made life more difficult for all involved, except in Kenny's case, it was literally nothing but blind pride speaking.
He did leave clem in a middle of a horde of walkers
Um... no... because whichever character walks over towards Luke is the one responsible for his death.
You don't walk towards somebody when they are on thin ice like that. That's the dumbest thing you could do. When Bonnie says those things it is stupid because "she" would be the one responsible for Luke's death, not Clem. Staying back and shooting the zombies was the smartest thing to do, without a rope or something like that to toss towards him.
Luke needed to have the walkers off of him so that he could take his time to crawl out and stay on his belly, distributing his weight out. We're pissed at Bonnie when she says all that crap because we "were" trying to help Luke; we just weren't dumb about it like she was. A lot of us are kinda pissed that we didn't get the option to tell her as much, and that the choices section says "did not try to help Luke" when most of us that tried to cover him "did" try to help Luke in the way that was the smartest way.
Situations are not the same, people are not the same, details are not the same. Most claims of "double standards" are naively simplistic attempts to justify some other (often barely related) point of view.
I must admit I have a hard time blaming him for rushing out of there. Sarita was bitten after all, it's not like he thought "Heh, let's leave Clem here."
This came up in another thread yesterday...
2 completely different situations and and as jerky says above 2 completly different people...
Kenny has anger issues, thats how he deals with his feelings, is it rignt ? NO but we know what kenny is like, I dont take it personally, its just him. Once hes calmed down he apologies, its just his way.. not defending his ways buts thats just how it is..
Bonney has her head screwed on, and blaming clem for that was just......... well .......
Then she decides she going to leave clem and a baby for dead and take the dirty ruski ...... and THEN leaves clem for dead with a rifle shot to the shoulder. ....but thats fine.... ....... when I see here again I wont be leaving her for dead.... she WILL be dead!......
After her speaches on screwing oeveryone over at the lodge and me forgiving her.. naaa she's had it in my book....
Kenny may put people in danger with his anger issues, but im ok with that I understand that, and when he goes off on one, I know kenny wont be helping for a while lol...
But kenny would NEVER NEVER EVER!!! stab clem in the back.. never... and there is a big frigin difference....
Bonnie can fuck her self, the druggy bitch....
Just my opinion of course
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Bonnie only blames Clem if you cover Luke and that's because she's upset about his death, just like Kenny was when Sarita died and he blamed Clem. If you try to help Luke then Bonnie is grateful so I think her reaction is understandable! Bonnie shouldn't have blamed Clem for covering Luke, but people have to understand she was in love with Luke. She doesn't mean it when she blames Clem.
However abandoning the group with Mike and Arvo and taking all the supplies.. This is where alot of hate comes into it. I don't hate her for doing it as I understand she lost Luke and wants to get away from Kenny. However it is very disappointing that she takes all the supplies and doesn't even ask Clem if she wanted to go with them, because my Clem... she totally would have done! I didn't care about Arvo but I didn't want to end up with just Jane or just Kenny either. Luke, Bonnie & Mike where my choice.
Ut if you help luke he still dies and she has the presence of mind in that situation to be gratful as you put it, shes still lost luke, he still died in sub zero water, but shes cool headed enough to be that way.. but if you cover luke, the thing he asks you to do and is the most sensible of all the options (no hindsight needed here) she doesnt just blame clem she treats her like some killer... atleast with kenny he raves at clem no matter what you do because hes hurting...
But either way ok lets say I can get over that for a second, but then she does a runner with the very person who is to blame for lukes death who then shoots clem and with no remorse she wants to havemit away on her toes...
Shes a bitch who carnt be trusted..... tbh arvo could not be with a better person as far as im concerned, she's a back stabing bitch.... she can rot in hell for all eternity for all I care..
Nope.
Kenny sucks, as does Bonnie.
You don't take into account that talking with Bonnie is optional and the coversation is rather short. Even if Bonnie was going to forgive Clem, there wouldnt have been no time for that, due to escape plan. They both blame you for the death of person they cared about, but only one of them is given time to go through their emotions and actually forgive you.
It took more than few days for Kenny to forgive you, whereas Bonnie left within next night/morning. She didnt even have time to go through her emotions.
No one went to help Clementine, they were all busy running away.
Kenny stole from the Stranger and condemned them to death.
And how do you know Bonnie's reason for leaving? You dont, you are just assuming. Bonnie leaves no matter her feelings towards you, so you cant assume its because Clem didnt "help" luke.
Didn't Bonnie leave because everyone thought Kenny was a crazy person and would get them killed? That's how I read the situation.
I would guess that Mike talked her to that. Neither of them wanted to go north and Kenny had shown that he doesnt listen to reason.
Please tell you are not serious.
What, and the others were reasonable?
Someone wants to drag you to north, where you would most likely just freeze to death, because of a story. Why should they be reasonable about considering suicide?
What?
It really isn't though
Then he abandons you in Ep2 and 3 depending on who you helped
Clem cuts off Sarita´s arm, making her scream, the scream atracts the walkers to her and she is dragged to the ground and killed.
How is that not her fault?
And if you don´t cut off her arm, she becomes unsalvagable because you did not do anything when you could.
How is that not her fault?
If Sarita dies in the herd, it is Clem's fault, don't just brush that off. It was with the best intentions, but still: It was, to some degree, her fault. And Kenny got angry, Kenny lashed out on her. And he apologized.
Now, Bonnie...she blames you if you don't go over to Luke, which is the only sane thing to do. Instead, she then walks over, making the ice break and getting Luke and almost herself killed. Then she is a total bitch to Clem.
So yeah. No double standard.
I honestly don´t hate Bonnie because in my canon save she didn´t get angry at Clem.
But if you cover Luke, the biggest problem to me isn´t even her blaming Clem. It´s that she says "no one ever expects you to do anything".
Say whaaaaat?
Sarita caused the situation to happen and only thing which could have saved Sarita was cutting off the arm instantly. NO matter what happens, Sarita's death isnt Clementines fault, just like Luke dying isnt Clementines fault, if she stays back and covers Luke. However, If she tries to "save" Luke, you can partly blame Clem for Luke's death.
Kenny is a total prick to Clementine after sarita dies/is bitten. Unlike Kenny, Bonnie didnt have time to grief and forgive Clementine, because of the escape plan.
So yes, more double standards.
I am just going to leave this here:
Because she was bit. It isn't anyone's fault but the walker's really. No one forced her into an event of getting bit except Kenny's escape idea
No its not, its stupid and unjustified accusation.
Sarita is bitten by a walker, how is this Clementines fault?
Is not Clem´s fault she was bit, of course, but so what? Just because Clem did not cause that does´t mean she is blameless.
I am just going to leave this here, again:
But Clem´s actions caused Sarita´s death.
Kenny´s escape idea? First of all it was Kenny, Jane and Luke´s idea, and everyone else aggred with that plan, so, by your logic, we should blame all the group for Sarita´s death.
I hope you are not serious.