He expected Larry to be knocked out when he punched him, he wasn't ready for Larry to turn around and blast him in the face. I'd chalk that up to inexperience. I don't really think there is any shame in losing to Lee either + he was injured/weak during that fight.
He expected Larry to be knocked out when he punched him, he wasn't ready for Larry to turn around and blast him in the face. I'd chalk that … moreup to inexperience. I don't really think there is any shame in losing to Lee either + he was injured/weak during that fight.
How is kenny killing a wounded jane more impressive than catching a spear dodging gunfire and kicking negan and his mens ass at the same time? Kenny is nowhere on the same level and it IS a fact if you read the comics
How is kenny killing a wounded jane more impressive than catching a spear dodging gunfire and kicking negan and his mens ass at the same time? Kenny is nowhere on the same level and it IS a fact if you read the comics
How is kenny killing a wounded jane more impressive than catching a spear dodging gunfire and kicking negan and his mens ass at the same tim… moree?
Uh, I kind of didn´t see him dodge gunfire. Where does that happened?
Kenny is nowhere on the same level and it IS a fact if you read the comics
Kenny is love, Kenny is life.
Your argument is invalid.
Your post was an interesting read, I agree with some parts and disagree with others. I do agree that Kenny goes through a similar arc as in … moreSeason 1, however I thought his character was actually better written and presented than it was in Season 1, so I didn't really mind that. I do think it's a shame though that other characters seemed to get lacking character development compared to Kenny. Too many of them were just...there, and then they died. I still enjoyed Season 2 very much, but next season I'd rather have a smaller group of survivors and more attention given to each one of them. And while I agree that in Season 1 Clementine and Kenny don't interact much, I don't think it's strange that she's attached to him, he's the only living survivor from the original group she was in, and he'd remind her of Lee. I picked 'Hug Kenny' with no hesitation, even though my Lee wasn't always on friendly terms with him.
He fought only two the others took the boat
Jesus Christ, what part of 'the cancer survivor´s group had guns and they held Kenny at gunpoint while they beat him out' you don´t understand?
I think your f*cking with me lol it worked.
That Kenny pic did not make it obvious enougth for you?
Also heres the dodging gun… morefire pic
Ah, yes. Didn´t remember that part. It as be a while since I read the comics. But still, that´s hardly impresive. He just jumps behind a car.
I agree with some of the points you made (I actually made a thread about his endings being "sugarcoated"), but overall I'm glad he was brought back. I felt he did go through a nice bit of character deveploment, and I myself was on the fence for most of the season on if I should just roll with the new slightly insane Kenny or not.. Not being sure if he could be trusted to keep himself together.
For me that was kind of a big theme this season, trust. In the end thats what everything comes down to, who do you trust? Kenny, Jane or neither? There is no one right option. And I thought Kenny was a really good character for that type of a showdown, since he is such a multilayered character and the player already has a history with him which could make decisions harder.
And as far as Kenny being the writers pet.. Well they did give us an option to shoot him, so Im not complaining that much!
Finally someone said it. I agree with everything you said, most of the issues I've had with this season revolve around Kenny's return. Although I didn't even like Kenny in season 1, because of his personality and how he treated others, I found his character interesting in season 1, and would've been fine with his return if he had brought something interesting to season 2, but he didn't.
The only thing his return brought was a sense of nostalgia, and was basically a whole retreading of his entire season 1 arc, with very subtle hints that he may be going down a dark path, which isn't even elaborated on in the end, even if you shoot him. The only new thing we found out about Kenny this season was that little comment he made about his dad when he was fixing up the truck, otherwise, he's the same old Kenny from season 1, only he's always nice to you, because you're playing as Clem, which ties into your points about his relationship with her being so forced.
I really wanted an option to tell other characters I didn't want to talk to Kenny at certain points, or tell them I wasn't that close to Kenny, but of course that doesn't matter because they force us to talk to him anyway, and we only ever get the options to say we don't like him or weren't that close to him in episode 2, then it's completely forgotten, and suddenly every character thinks I'm BFFs with the guy. Plus I found it kind of annoying in the end that Clem only ever cries for Kenny, when shooting him can be argued being a good compromise for those that didn't like Kenny, but if you didn't like Kenny, why would you want your Clem to cry for him? Especially when she didn't cry for characters such as Omid, Luke, and Sarah? It's obvious they expected everyone to love Kenny.
The fact that the entire plot in season 2 also seems to revolve around him and what he does, and Clem's reaction to it is also really frustrating, because I'm playing this game for Clementine, the main character, and want to see her grow as a character, but for the most part I felt like Kenny got more focus as a character than she did.
I just feel like bringing Kenny back made this season a lot weaker than it could've been.
By not killing him and having him do his usual Kenny Schick in a sequel and forcing a relationship that was never there in the first place, this is not good writing.
Kenny is a fan-favorite and a writer's pet.
Telltale slaughtered Kenny's wife, child, AND his Indian girlfriend. How does this qualify the character as a "writer's pet?"
By not killing him and having him do his usual Kenny Schick in a sequel and forcing a relationship that was never there in the first place, this is not good writing.
According to you, maybe, but I didn't pick up on the "forced relationship" the Kenny-haters love to go on about. Your version of Clem is free to love, hate, or feel indifferent towards Kenny as much as you want. But quite frankly, if you thought everyone you knew was dead, only to discover one of your "old team" had survived, why WOULDN'T Clem be at least momentarily overcome? This is about survivors bonding under terrible circumstances, not old buddies kicking back and reminiscing about the good ol' days which were just as bad as the NEW days.
Personally, I find your opinion of "good" and "bad" writing a little questionable.
By not killing him and having him do his usual Kenny Schick in a sequel and forcing a relationship that was never there in the first place, this is not good writing.
Good points, and yeah, Kenny's return is one of the major flaws with this entire season, it's not really the fact that he returns that annoys me, it's the fact that Telltale themselves think Kenny is this almighty character that deserves far more development than any other characters, half the time it feels like it's Kenny's story and not Clem's, which is the biggest issue I have with the Kenny endings. Kenny's return definitely had potential, but Telltale don't do anything interesting with him other than to just foreshadow that Kenny is possibly losing it( which, come to think of it, is the same kind of arc where everyone was worried about Lily going crazy in season 1). Kenny is nothing more than walking fan service, and even though I liked those moments where he and Clem interacted, I still don't understand this relationship, there was absolutely no foreshadowing in the first season that Clem and Kenny were going to be best pals in the future and they barely interact with each other in season 1, the only times they interact are very short and forgettable, "spiders in your hair" and "get on the train, Clementine." and I know some people are going to throw the "Three month time skip" and that honestly just makes it even more problematic.
Maybe, it's the fact that Kenny's return doesn't make sense and the game never at least tries to explain other than the "I got lucky" line, and I would buy your bonding comment if this season really tried to give us moments to bond with characters, oh there were a few instances, but most of them are very short and most of it is just fast paced zombie action, and that doesn't work for me compared to the last season. I'm no Kenny hater, but this season treats Kenny like he was meant to be Lee's successor for Clem, and maybe that's true, but that's entirely detriment depending on how you played Lee. Kenny's return is blatant fan service and yeah maybe you can be a jerk, but it's not like the season 1 relationship, where Lee and Kenny could be rivals or best friends or somewhere in the latter. I'm sorry, but this relationship is forced, because everyone assumes Clem and Kenny had a relationship, which they didn't, they weren't exactly "old friends" according to season 1.
By not killing him and having him do his usual Kenny Schick in a sequel and forcing a relationship that was never there in the first place, … morethis is not good writing.
According to you, maybe, but I didn't pick up on the "forced relationship" the Kenny-haters love to go on about. Your version of Clem is free to love, hate, or feel indifferent towards Kenny as much as you want. But quite frankly, if you thought everyone you knew was dead, only to discover one of your "old team" had survived, why WOULDN'T Clem be at least momentarily overcome? This is about survivors bonding under terrible circumstances, not old buddies kicking back and reminiscing about the good ol' days which were just as bad as the NEW days.
Personally, I find your opinion of "good" and "bad" writing a little questionable.
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You to upset you kenny comes back because the bullet hole clotted and he was saved by the seas 3 gang
eh kenny jane larry and lee could all team up against paul and still lose
Thats one time though he gets whooped by Lee and Larry, still he can fight by season 2 I'll give him that
He expected Larry to be knocked out when he punched him, he wasn't ready for Larry to turn around and blast him in the face. I'd chalk that up to inexperience. I don't really think there is any shame in losing to Lee either + he was injured/weak during that fight.
He lost to a couple of old cancer patients. Thats honestly pretty sad
Not really it was mentioned that vernon and joyce beat him up while the other 2 took the boat
Yes. And gunpoint.
Try out fighting 4 people at once, when they have the jump on you and are also armed.
And:
How is kenny killing a wounded jane more impressive than catching a spear dodging gunfire and kicking negan and his mens ass at the same time? Kenny is nowhere on the same level and it IS a fact if you read the comics
Uh, I kind of didn´t see him dodge gunfire. Where does that happened?
Kenny is love, Kenny is life.
Your argument is invalid.
Exactly. People love to point out how Kenny was beaten up by Vernon's group, although if they were in such situation, they'd end up pretty the same.
I think your f*cking with me lol it worked. Also heres the dodging gunfire pic
He fought only two the others took the boat
I agree with most of this but Wellington seemed to mean they needed more expansion like Carver Camp aka more buildings, not food
Lilly and arguably Christa
They didn't mention anything about guns in my game and jesus calm yo tits
That Kenny pic did not make it obvious enougth for you?
Ah, yes. Didn´t remember that part. It as be a while since I read the comics. But still, that´s hardly impresive. He just jumps behind a car.
What makes it impressive is that abraham is a rather good aim
Jesus Christ, what part of 'the cancer survivor´s group had guns and they held Kenny at gunpoint while they beat him out' you don´t understand?
Yes, I get that. But still he is only jumping behind a car.
Yes true, I'd forgotten them, but they're not currently around though.
[rabid kenny fan voice] where's the dislike button
anyway
i gave you an upvote
I agree with some of the points you made (I actually made a thread about his endings being "sugarcoated"), but overall I'm glad he was brought back. I felt he did go through a nice bit of character deveploment, and I myself was on the fence for most of the season on if I should just roll with the new slightly insane Kenny or not.. Not being sure if he could be trusted to keep himself together.
For me that was kind of a big theme this season, trust. In the end thats what everything comes down to, who do you trust? Kenny, Jane or neither? There is no one right option. And I thought Kenny was a really good character for that type of a showdown, since he is such a multilayered character and the player already has a history with him which could make decisions harder.
And as far as Kenny being the writers pet.. Well they did give us an option to shoot him, so Im not complaining that much!
Telltale slaughtered Kenny's wife, child, AND his Indian girlfriend. How does this qualify the character as a "writer's pet?"
Finally someone said it. I agree with everything you said, most of the issues I've had with this season revolve around Kenny's return. Although I didn't even like Kenny in season 1, because of his personality and how he treated others, I found his character interesting in season 1, and would've been fine with his return if he had brought something interesting to season 2, but he didn't.
The only thing his return brought was a sense of nostalgia, and was basically a whole retreading of his entire season 1 arc, with very subtle hints that he may be going down a dark path, which isn't even elaborated on in the end, even if you shoot him. The only new thing we found out about Kenny this season was that little comment he made about his dad when he was fixing up the truck, otherwise, he's the same old Kenny from season 1, only he's always nice to you, because you're playing as Clem, which ties into your points about his relationship with her being so forced.
I really wanted an option to tell other characters I didn't want to talk to Kenny at certain points, or tell them I wasn't that close to Kenny, but of course that doesn't matter because they force us to talk to him anyway, and we only ever get the options to say we don't like him or weren't that close to him in episode 2, then it's completely forgotten, and suddenly every character thinks I'm BFFs with the guy. Plus I found it kind of annoying in the end that Clem only ever cries for Kenny, when shooting him can be argued being a good compromise for those that didn't like Kenny, but if you didn't like Kenny, why would you want your Clem to cry for him? Especially when she didn't cry for characters such as Omid, Luke, and Sarah? It's obvious they expected everyone to love Kenny.
The fact that the entire plot in season 2 also seems to revolve around him and what he does, and Clem's reaction to it is also really frustrating, because I'm playing this game for Clementine, the main character, and want to see her grow as a character, but for the most part I felt like Kenny got more focus as a character than she did.
I just feel like bringing Kenny back made this season a lot weaker than it could've been.
By not killing him and having him do his usual Kenny Schick in a sequel and forcing a relationship that was never there in the first place, this is not good writing.
Well, I think we should support this OP, because Telltale might make the same mistake again.
You miss the point.
Wonder if Kenny was on the wrestling team in highschool? Anyone else see that mean suplex?
Joking aside, I'm not mad about having Kenny in this season, but Lilly would have been a better fit.
According to you, maybe, but I didn't pick up on the "forced relationship" the Kenny-haters love to go on about. Your version of Clem is free to love, hate, or feel indifferent towards Kenny as much as you want. But quite frankly, if you thought everyone you knew was dead, only to discover one of your "old team" had survived, why WOULDN'T Clem be at least momentarily overcome? This is about survivors bonding under terrible circumstances, not old buddies kicking back and reminiscing about the good ol' days which were just as bad as the NEW days.
Personally, I find your opinion of "good" and "bad" writing a little questionable.
I think a lot of people shot Kenny even though they loved him. Not everybody wanted to get rid of him.
You just don't let one person murder another person in front of you. You have to try to stop it when you see it.
I'm glad he was in this season.
Good points, and yeah, Kenny's return is one of the major flaws with this entire season, it's not really the fact that he returns that annoys me, it's the fact that Telltale themselves think Kenny is this almighty character that deserves far more development than any other characters, half the time it feels like it's Kenny's story and not Clem's, which is the biggest issue I have with the Kenny endings. Kenny's return definitely had potential, but Telltale don't do anything interesting with him other than to just foreshadow that Kenny is possibly losing it( which, come to think of it, is the same kind of arc where everyone was worried about Lily going crazy in season 1). Kenny is nothing more than walking fan service, and even though I liked those moments where he and Clem interacted, I still don't understand this relationship, there was absolutely no foreshadowing in the first season that Clem and Kenny were going to be best pals in the future and they barely interact with each other in season 1, the only times they interact are very short and forgettable, "spiders in your hair" and "get on the train, Clementine." and I know some people are going to throw the "Three month time skip" and that honestly just makes it even more problematic.
I'm not, I understand OP's opinion. I've seen many similar threads, sadly to say, most of them turned into a battlefield.
Maybe, it's the fact that Kenny's return doesn't make sense and the game never at least tries to explain other than the "I got lucky" line, and I would buy your bonding comment if this season really tried to give us moments to bond with characters, oh there were a few instances, but most of them are very short and most of it is just fast paced zombie action, and that doesn't work for me compared to the last season. I'm no Kenny hater, but this season treats Kenny like he was meant to be Lee's successor for Clem, and maybe that's true, but that's entirely detriment depending on how you played Lee. Kenny's return is blatant fan service and yeah maybe you can be a jerk, but it's not like the season 1 relationship, where Lee and Kenny could be rivals or best friends or somewhere in the latter. I'm sorry, but this relationship is forced, because everyone assumes Clem and Kenny had a relationship, which they didn't, they weren't exactly "old friends" according to season 1.
True.
Catching that spear is some bullshit, lol.