"How the fuck did that shit happen?!" Kenny asks this once Jane makes her way into the house after she carries Clementine from the lake. So it's safe to assume Kenny saw Luke and Bonnie go under.
Nope because then he wouldn't ask and was the guy who was first there, and how would you feel if you let someone go and he comes back to rob you costing rebecca and lukes life. Only because f#ing Arvo was stealing from his group and wanted to blame clem and jane
You're still grasping though.
"How the fuck did that shit happen?!" Kenny asks this once Jane makes her way into the house after she carr… moreies Clementine from the lake. So it's safe to assume Kenny saw Luke and Bonnie go under. And, if you chose to cover Luke, Kenny yells for Clementine to stop (from breaking the ice to free Luke). He knew, he may be stupid, but not that stupid.
He has no reason to excuse his needlessly violent outburst, he should've helped get Clementine (and possibly Bonnie) warm. But instead beats someone else. Hell, some people chose to [Help Arvo] and Kenny is lashing out so hard he hits her. Then says (to a dying girl) "What, lost your taste for this sort of thing?" There's no excuse for that kind of shit, and I have no tolerance for it.
Kenny's negative attributes are substantial most notabley is he's aggressive to the point he drives away everybody else, not willing to listen to a word anyone says as he always thinks he's right regardless of the consequences.
Also your clearly not reading anything I write I dont care about what he does and if you like him personally its that his character dosnt grow this season at all and just repeats his season 1 arc among all the other things I said.
Please, he/she isn't even bothering to read or analyze your arguments. Just walk away, there's no use arguing with such a stubborn and childish individual.
Okay then** lol** I'll keep going
Kenny's negative attributes are substantial most notabley is he's aggressive to the point he drives awa… morey everybody else, not willing to listen to a word anyone says as he always thinks he's right regardless of the consequences.
Also your clearly not reading anything I write I dont care about what he does and if you like him personally its that his character dosnt grow this season at all and just repeats his season 1 arc among all the other things I said.
Maybe because you refuse to understand his argument and him explaining his point to you again is stupid and a waste of time considering that you refuse to understand and don't get the idea.
Why are the comments deleted?
I just gave up, the points are there anyway
You give up, because you no longer know what to say, because you can't defend yourself.
Checkmated, lol.
Maybe because you refuse to understand his argument and him explaining his point to you again is stupid and a waste of time considering that you refuse to understand and don't get the idea.
To be fair, yes at exactly the same point it would have wrecked the cabin groups development however with Lilly Clementine would have a real… more dilemma, for most people they would be on a scale of distrustful to aggressive with Lilly however you do know her from before, unlike with Kenny who honestly why wouldnt you just want to ditch the cabin group at that point, you barely know them besides that a psycho is after them. Also Lilly having a redemption arc would be new development for the character. And no before people say it I'm not a lilly fanboy or anything.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
If no one cared about Clementine and AJ and if Kenny was the only one why would:
The Cabin Group help Clementine any further?
Jane save Clementine and Rebecca with AJ nearing birth from a herd of Walkers?
Jane save Clementine from drowning in ice cold water?
Jane teach Clementine survival tricks?
Carlos treat Clementine's wound?
Rebecca not give up on having AJ?
Bonnie check up to see if Clementine is ok?
Sarita help Clementine in the herd?
Mike and Bonnie save Clementine from a Walker?
Luke stand up for Clementine?
Alvin provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Pete side with Clementine?
Nick or Pete provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Bonnie not tell Carver about Luke?
Wyatt ask for Clementine's opinion on Nick?
Sarah be persuaded to be her friend?
Lee cares for Clementine more than Kenny... geez.
If Kenny cared so much about Clementine and AJ then why didn't he keep them near him at all times? Why didn't he help Clementine or the unborn AJ in Rebecca in the herd? Why did he just willingly hand over two of the most important people in his life to a community he knew nothing about? Why would he risk getting Clementine, AJ and himself getting killed by the cold? Why did Kenny get mad at Clementine multiple times no matter if she sided with him or not? Kenny also didn't take notice of Clementine or AJ during the gunfight with the Russians. Kenny is too busy beating Arvo up to care about Clementine drowning or AJ being in the hands of someone else he knew almost nothing about.
What?
Kenny doesn't overshadow the rest of the cast!
Look here:
* Nick: Nick was a good man. He had once protected Clementine. I… more think, he would be a good protector for Clementine, but not for long. Clementine had to bring back Nick, because Nick was drunk. I wish he hadn't died. Nick was better than Luke.
* Uncle Pete: Uncle Pete was a good uncle. Maybe he would have opportunities for Clementine and AJ, but unfortunately he died early.
* Luke: Luke would never stand close to Clementine, because Luke has no idea how to protect a child. In addition, Luke chose Jane. Luke fell in love with Jane.
* Jane: Jane and her sneaky way. You can't trust her. She left the group and came back. Jane would run away again and let Clementine alone with AJ. Especially AJ. Jane has left alone in the car AJ. What if AJ would die from the cold or a walker would find AJ in the car and bite. And Jane says nothing what happened to the baby. Jane'… [view original content]
Do you see? No one cares about Clementine and AJ.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
If no one care… mored about Clementine and AJ and if Kenny was the only one why would:
The Cabin Group help Clementine any further?
Jane save Clementine and Rebecca with AJ nearing birth from a herd of Walkers?
Jane save Clementine from drowning in ice cold water?
Jane teach Clementine survival tricks?
Carlos treat Clementine's wound?
Rebecca not give up on having AJ?
Bonnie check up to see if Clementine is ok?
Sarita help Clementine in the herd?
Mike and Bonnie save Clementine from a Walker?
Luke stand up for Clementine?
Alvin provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Pete side with Clementine?
Nick or Pete provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Bonnie not tell Carver about Luke?
Wyatt ask for Clementine's opinion on Nick?
Sarah be persuaded to be her friend?
Lee cares for Cle… [view original content]
Do you see? No one cares about Clementine and AJ.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
If no one care… mored about Clementine and AJ and if Kenny was the only one why would:
The Cabin Group help Clementine any further?
Jane save Clementine and Rebecca with AJ nearing birth from a herd of Walkers?
Jane save Clementine from drowning in ice cold water?
Jane teach Clementine survival tricks?
Carlos treat Clementine's wound?
Rebecca not give up on having AJ?
Bonnie check up to see if Clementine is ok?
Sarita help Clementine in the herd?
Mike and Bonnie save Clementine from a Walker?
Luke stand up for Clementine?
Alvin provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Pete side with Clementine?
Nick or Pete provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Bonnie not tell Carver about Luke?
Wyatt ask for Clementine's opinion on Nick?
Sarah be persuaded to be her friend?
Lee cares for Cle… [view original content]
Not to mention they'd just saved clems life a few minutes earlier and didnt want to waste bandages on a walker bite (I wouldnt have bought the dog story either) not to mention they had no idea who clem was at that point they had no ties to help her in the first place
The Cabin group left her to die of an infection, because they didn't want to waste bandages on her in case she was bitten.
Kenny was willing to give up his life for her, and they didn't want to waste bandages.
Wow...I seriously respect you for posting this. I've been of this opinion for awhile now, but I didn't want to express it because I didn't want to deal with bullshit. Bravo
I like Kenny's character, but I think they should have left him sacrificing himself for Ben in that alley. I think his appearance in S2 derailed the story the season was building up to as well as opportunities for new characters to be developed.
Again, thanks for posting. You made really valid points and even if others don't agree, should definitely consider and think about.
Still, a little girl to leave alone in a hut is bad. She is also a human being and people should help. Especially if she's telling the truth that a dog has bitten she.
They were going to help her in the morning
Not to mention they'd just saved clems life a few minutes earlier and didnt want to waste band… moreages on a walker bite (I wouldnt have bought the dog story either) not to mention they had no idea who clem was at that point they had no ties to help her in the first place
I thought it was well placed. Of course there would be a bond between Kenny and Clementine, they survived together for a long time during the events of season 1. Remember in reality it would have taken place over many months not just hours. Kenny was never unkind of Clementine during season 1 so there was no reason for them to dislike each other and every reason for them to be glad to see each other. Also, most people tended to befriend Kenny as Lee during season one, so for most people it was very fitting.
Kenny being in Season 2 felt so out of place, I'm pretty sure it was just fan service. The one thing I can't stand about Kenny being in Season two is being forced to be his friend.
Still, a little girl to leave alone in a hut is bad. She is also a human being and people should help. Especially if she's telling the truth that a dog has bitten she.
If you noticed all the time. Kenny was the only who has protected Clementine from Carver, while all the others only stared. Then Luke wanted to leave Kenny, when the whole group wanted to flee. And yes, Lee has protected more Clementine,but we talk about Season 2 and not the first Season of The Walking Dead. So your statement is false, because Kenny helped Rebecca at the birth of AJ. And someone has to Arvo hold because Arvo ago to escape. Which is true, because he wants to flee with Mike and Bonnie. Kenny has done everything right.
And Jane didn't teach Clementine survival tricks. It was Lee. Lee has taught Clementine how to shoot and this is much more important than a few knife tricks.
Do you see? No one cares about Clementine and AJ.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
If no one care… mored about Clementine and AJ and if Kenny was the only one why would:
The Cabin Group help Clementine any further?
Jane save Clementine and Rebecca with AJ nearing birth from a herd of Walkers?
Jane save Clementine from drowning in ice cold water?
Jane teach Clementine survival tricks?
Carlos treat Clementine's wound?
Rebecca not give up on having AJ?
Bonnie check up to see if Clementine is ok?
Sarita help Clementine in the herd?
Mike and Bonnie save Clementine from a Walker?
Luke stand up for Clementine?
Alvin provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Pete side with Clementine?
Nick or Pete provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Bonnie not tell Carver about Luke?
Wyatt ask for Clementine's opinion on Nick?
Sarah be persuaded to be her friend?
Lee cares for Cle… [view original content]
I don't think Kenny coming back was even favoritism so much as desperation. The new cast wasn't working so they just dragged back the most p… moreopular season one character after Clem who wasn't explicitly dead. I was even genuinely happy to see Kenny at first even though I wasn't a big fan of him just because they did such a poor job with the new cast. I was like, "Kenny, thank God! These new people suck." And from there it probably just snowballed where it was easier to use Kenny then take the extra time and effort to build up the new cast enough where the audience would care to see them in the situations they stuck him in. Sad really.
Your observations on Kenny possibly being used in what may have been planned as other people's roles are interesting. Expanding on that, I we remove Kenny from the story or simply assume he had a much smaller role, not only can his roles at the end of Episode 2 and most of three be filled with other cast member… [view original content]
Of course they have a bond, but I feel like I'm not in control Clementine. I don't really have a lot to complain about Kenny being in Season Two but the friendship feels very forced due to the pre-existing bond.
Also I think most people were intended to be Kenny's friend there were a lot of people who dislike him, and that would be terrible writing.
I thought it was well placed. Of course there would be a bond between Kenny and Clementine, they survived together for a long time during th… moree events of season 1. Remember in reality it would have taken place over many months not just hours. Kenny was never unkind of Clementine during season 1 so there was no reason for them to dislike each other and every reason for them to be glad to see each other. Also, most people tended to befriend Kenny as Lee during season one, so for most people it was very fitting.
I have processed my text again. It isn't so easy, if you have a different native tongue and when it learns another language.
Back on topic of how old you are: I think age plays a role, because whether you are in a apocalypse and how well you can survive. Someone has to be there an adult who has experience and protected you. Every kid needs an experienced adult at his side. Every child needs a safety with familiar people at his side.
Kenny is the real exemple of a man in ZA. He is ready to do everything to survive and to protect the peope that he care and the way that he become angry after loosing someone is the real way how a man would react.
Dang, this is a good post! Although I agree Kenneth shouldn't have come back I also disagree in that he could've been reintroduced later in the season rather than so early so the cabin group can develop more. I honestly though Carlos was the replacement Kenneth for season 2 as Carlos had shown he can have a temper, and there was Kenneth was and in the next episode there was practically no more cabin group and I was very sad.
She really did, that knee trick that clem uses over the last two episodes is taught by her, Lee taught clem to shoot thats about it
Kenny helped Rebecca at the birth of AJ.
I think everyone helped with that...
And finally this is again compltley off topic, this is about Kenny being misused this season not whether you like Kenny or the thing hes done as a character
Excuse me, but
If you noticed all the time. Kenny was the only who has protected Clementine from Carver, while all the others only stared… more. Then Luke wanted to leave Kenny, when the whole group wanted to flee. And yes, Lee has protected more Clementine,but we talk about Season 2 and not the first Season of The Walking Dead. So your statement is false, because Kenny helped Rebecca at the birth of AJ. And someone has to Arvo hold because Arvo ago to escape. Which is true, because he wants to flee with Mike and Bonnie. Kenny has done everything right.
And Jane didn't teach Clementine survival tricks. It was Lee. Lee has taught Clementine how to shoot and this is much more important than a few knife tricks.
Kenny is the real exemple of a man in ZA. He is ready to do everything to survive and to protect the peope that he care and the way that he become angry after loosing someone is the real way how a man would react.
I am sorry I have no responded sonner. I didn´t have much time.
Well, first of all, that is purely optional
So? Does that make it any better or somehow a bad example?
Nope.
second of all - leaving Clementine to die is because she didn't help, not strictly because of the death. It was because of our options, and what she did.
It’s precisely because of Luke´s death. How it happened anyway. If you cover Luke, she causes his death. That guilt is what drives her to blame Clem, and want to leave her behind.
Almost all of Kenny's losses were caused by walkers –
Duck and Katjaa deaths were because of Ben. Walter is because of Carver. Sarita´s death can be because of Clem. So no, most of Kenny´s losses were caused by people.
and in other cases, he could not smash this specific person's face e.g. a girl who's on your side (optional.)
Well, I am just going to give you a example: Ben. He screamed at Ben, sure, and had to be restrained, but once they get out of Crawford he doesn´t try to kill Ben again.
Also, isn't Kenny finding different ways to relieve his stress, such as destroying a zombie's face
I think that scene was less because of Sarita´s death and more about his hatred of Carver.
or otherwise shouting at a young girl.
I don´t see this. He shouts at her (determinant) because she caused Sarita´s death if you cut off her arm off, or she doesn´t even try to understand or outright mocks him. There was nothing about relieving stress there.
In addition, Rebecca had the culprit right in Kenny's arms - who's to say Kenny didn't kill a ton of zombie's while they were within the horde, after Sarita's death?
Of course Kenny killed lots of walkers within the horde. How else was he going to get through the horde?
She made a frown.
So?
Anyway, by your logic we could say Sarah killed her - since she screamed and let everyone get stressed out.
Yes. Sarah screaming didn´t help things at all.
Not cutting her arm off would still cause her death, no matter what.
So what? You are ignoring that, if you cut off her arm, the causes of her dead are your fault. Either she bleeds out, she dies for the bite or you axe her.
Kenny should not have ranted at her,
Did I say that he should have done it?
as she did what the majority of the people in The Walking Dead community thought was right
So that the majority thought that cutting Sarita´s arm in the herd was a good idea somehow makes it right?
Good to know
he should have known from the start that Clementine wanted to help by giving Sarita the Reggie treatment, instead of saying a load of BS.
First of all, it was not bullshit.
Second of all, I am sure Ben was also only trying to help by giving supplies to the bandits. Doesn´t change the consequences of his actions nor that doing it in the first place was fucking stupid.
However, the majority of the talk about suicide started AFTER the drinking,
Exactly. The majority, but not all. In any case, this is a pretty poor example. Nobody needs to say anything for you to know it’s true. Nick behavior before that clearly shows his suicidal intentions.
whereas with Kenny - he starts talking about feeling in peace when Carver hit him - to me, that certainly seems like suicidal thoughts.
Yes. So what? He is not going to kill himself, not matter what. Unlike Nick. So Nick is reacting worse that Kenny.
Just because Luke believes in something - doesn't make it right.
I trust the opinion of the man who has be friends with Nick for years, but maybe that is just me. In any case, Luke is clearly right. After Pete´s death, Nick is clearly “coming unhinged”. He becomes rash, loses the littel convidence he has left, draws on Matheew first, triest to justify his murder, etc.
I am saying that Bonnie leaving Clementine to die is much worse than anything Kenny has done.
Well, first of all, that is purely opt… moreional - second of all - leaving Clementine to die is because she didn't help, not strictly because of the death. It was because of our options, and what she did. You may say, "But you talked about Clementine cutting Sarita's arm off, which is optional." Yes, however - I needed to talk about similar situations where the protagonist quietly caused the death of someone in her side. Therefore, I made both of my points - "Nick and Pete" and 'Kenny and Sarita" - an optional choice.
I am saying that Rebecca enjoys watching Kenny smash Carver´s head with the crowbar, and that is really reacting worse that Kenny.
Almost all of Kenny's losses were caused by walkers - and in other cases, he could not smash this specific person's face e.g. a girl who's on your side (optional.) Also, isn't Kenny finding … [view original content]
Well in Season 2 the adults needed an experienced child... Clementine xd she was pretty much taking care of everyone, but yeah age does matter do allot of people in the apocalypse but not all.
I laugh at myself about my mistake, lol.
"She has bitten a dog" - That's really funny! :-)
I have processed my text again. It isn't so… more easy, if you have a different native tongue and when it learns another language.
Back on topic of how old you are: I think age plays a role, because whether you are in a apocalypse and how well you can survive. Someone has to be there an adult who has experience and protected you. Every kid needs an experienced adult at his side. Every child needs a safety with familiar people at his side.
Yes he is, but we saw this exact same thing in season 1. Sarita is just new Kat and duck.
The entire kenny season 2 arc leaves him at exactly the same point as the end season 1 if you let him murder Jane
What Lee has taught to Clementine is more important than a few knife tricks. Don't forget, Lee has also taught Clementine, as their attitude should be to survive: Keep hair short or stay away from cities or always keep moving and also Clementine should have no fear of Walkers, because Walkers are stupid and People are smarter.
"I'm not letting somebody else get eaten today. Especially a good friend." - Kenny said to Lee.
Don't forget also, that Kenny and Lee are old friends, because the Season 1 Episode 1 of The Walking Dead, after Larry beats Lee and Kenny came back for help Lee. Now Lee is as Kenny replaced for Clementine. Kenny is love. Kenny is life. Forever Lee, Kenny and Clementine.
So, Firewallcano stay away from me you Kenny hater.
I know im wasting my breath/keyboard but anyway
Jane didn't teach Clementine survival tricks
She really did, that knee trick t… morehat clem uses over the last two episodes is taught by her, Lee taught clem to shoot thats about it
Kenny helped Rebecca at the birth of AJ.
I think everyone helped with that...
And finally this is again compltley off topic, this is about Kenny being misused this season not whether you like Kenny or the thing hes done as a character
"I'm not letting somebody else get eaten today. Especially a good friend." - Kenny said to Lee.
Kenny said determinatley to lee, oh and again yes Lee and Kenny can be bros or enemies in season 1 that is what made it so great. However in season 2 this is complete disregarded and you are forced to like him. Also what does Lee and Kenny being determinately friends to do with Kenny and clem being best friends all Kenny and clem did in season 1 was
Say hi in ep 1 and refer to her being tough
In ep 2 he terrifies her crushing larry's skull
He growls at her to get on the train.
Thats it, thats all their interactions and apparently from this Clem feels Kenny is a replacement Lee for her
Now Lee is as Kenny replaced for Clementine
I really dont understand
So, Firewallcano stay away from me you Kenny hater.
Stay away from what? Your posts, this thread (I.e my thread)? Its a forum for discussion
What Lee has taught to Clementine is more important than a few knife tricks. Don't forget, Lee has also taught Clementine, as their attitude… more should be to survive: Keep hair short or stay away from cities or always keep moving and also Clementine should have no fear of Walkers, because Walkers are stupid and People are smarter.
"I'm not letting somebody else get eaten today. Especially a good friend." - Kenny said to Lee.
Don't forget also, that Kenny and Lee are old friends, because the Season 1 Episode 1 of The Walking Dead, after Larry beats Lee and Kenny came back for help Lee. Now Lee is as Kenny replaced for Clementine. Kenny is love. Kenny is life. Forever Lee, Kenny and Clementine.
So, Firewallcano stay away from me you Kenny hater.
You know what, you looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears!
Kenny said determinatley to lee, oh and again yes Lee and Kenny can be bros or enemies in season 1 that is what made it so great. However in season 2 this is complete disregarded and you are forced to like him.
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. You can decide whether you are agree with Mike, Luke, Jane, Bonnie and Arvo or you are agree with Kenny, while others argue with Kenny how the plan should be. You are not forced to like him. You can shoot him or leave him in the end.
I would stay with Kenny and leave Wellington, because I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
In ep 2 he terrifies her crushing larry's skull
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. There was no other way to kill Larry, because they were caught. Larry was already dead, he couldn't have overcome problems with his heart. If Larry had turned into a zombie, how should they kill him? The room was already small enough and they have no weapons. Either all would have been dead if Kenny wouldn't have killed him earlier. This was the chance to kill him. For Clementine is it normal that she has scared, that Larry had to die, but she will understand. What said Ben when he was a member of the group? The problem is in the head, if one turns into a zombie. Katjaa knew that also when Duck was bitten and then Katjaa shot herself in the head. Not to forget it is determinative of whether Kenny or Lee has to shoot Duck. Both shoot at Duck's head. It's always in the head the problem, all are infected.
He growls at her to get on the train.
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. Where did you get the idea that Kenny growls to Clementine to get on the train? Everyone in the group got into the train, because there was no other way and so they could drive to Savannah. Clementine wanted to Savannah, because she searched her parents.
I really dont understand
You will also never understand that Kenny is now in a position of Lee. Kenny is now worry about Clementine and AJ.
Stay away from what? Your posts, this thread (I.e my thread)? Its a forum for discussion
You're right this is your thread and a forum for discussion, but in the end I will still be the same.
I don't want that Kenny dies and you trying to kill Kenny and you looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears!
Have you thought how Fans of Kenny would react to your thread? No certainly not. You are making yourself disliked by people who are Fans of Kenny.
This discussion between you and me can take a long time. Like I said, in the end I will still be the same.
"I'm not letting somebody else get eaten today. Especially a good friend." - Kenny said to Lee.
Kenny said determinatley to lee, oh … moreand again yes Lee and Kenny can be bros or enemies in season 1 that is what made it so great. However in season 2 this is complete disregarded and you are forced to like him. Also what does Lee and Kenny being determinately friends to do with Kenny and clem being best friends all Kenny and clem did in season 1 was
* Say hi in ep 1 and refer to her being tough
* In ep 2 he terrifies her crushing larry's skull
* He growls at her to get on the train.
Thats it, thats all their interactions and apparently from this Clem feels Kenny is a replacement Lee for her
Now Lee is as Kenny replaced for Clementine
I really dont understand
So, Firewallcano stay away from me you Kenny hater.
Stay away from what? Your posts, this thread (I.e my thread)? Its a forum for discussion
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. There was no other way to kill Larry, because they were caught. Larry was already dead, he couldn't have overcome problems with his heart. If Larry had turned into a zombie, how should they kill him? The room was already small enough and they have no weapons. Either all would have been dead if Kenny wouldn't have killed him earlier. This was the chance to kill him. For Clementine is it normal that she has scared, that Larry had to die, but she will understand. What said Ben when he was a member of the group? The problem is in the head, if one turns into a zombie. Katjaa knew that also when Duck was bitten and then Katjaa shot herself in the head. Not to forget it is determinative of whether Kenny or Lee has to shoot Duck. Both shoot at Duck's head. It's always in the head the problem, all are infected.
This is essentially pointless, yes he has his reasons and it may have been the right thing to do regardless it still terrified clementine who in most peoples games had to witness it directly
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. Where did you get the idea that Kenny growls to Clementine to get on the train? Everyone in the group got into the train, because there was no other way and so they could drive to Savannah. Clementine wanted to Savannah, because she searched her parents.
Again not doubting this but again dosnt change the fact he just speaks harshly at her and this being there only interaction
I don't want that Kenny dies and you trying to kill Kenny
I didnt try to kill Kenny I did kill Kenny though clementine bawled her eyes out over it despite the fact I cared about most of the other characters this season way more than him
You are making yourself disliked by people who are Fans of Kenny.
.... I really dont care, Im making points about Kenny's usage in season 2 no doubt his fanboys will hate it, that said most people including most of his fans are fine with this as its a mature discussion. Are you saying I shouldnt have made this thread purely to avoid Kenny backlash?
You know what, you looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears!
Kenny said determinatley to lee, oh and again yes Lee and Kenny can … morebe bros or enemies in season 1 that is what made it so great. However in season 2 this is complete disregarded and you are forced to like him.
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. You can decide whether you are agree with Mike, Luke, Jane, Bonnie and Arvo or you are agree with Kenny, while others argue with Kenny how the plan should be. You are not forced to like him. You can shoot him or leave him in the end.
I would stay with Kenny and leave Wellington, because I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
In ep 2 he terrifies her crushing larry's skull
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. There was no other way to kill Larry, because they were caught. Larry was already dead, he couldn't have overcome problems w… [view original content]
I don't understand why people are saying "Kenny killed Jane over nothing!"
She was making out to have killed the baby, one of Kenny's last anchors. She could have stopped the fight at any point, as Kenny said. But she didn't. She wanted him gone and one of Jane's lines (if you kill Kenny and she's apologising about hiding the baby) was "I wanted to convince you to come with me." "I did it for you!" She wanted Clem all to herself, to relive the sister she lost.
I don't understand why people are saying "Kenny killed Jane over nothing!"
She was making out to have killed the baby, one of Kenny's las… moret anchors. She could have stopped the fight at any point, as Kenny said. But she didn't. She wanted him gone and one of Jane's lines (if you kill Kenny and she's apologising about hiding the baby) was "I wanted to convince you to come with me." "I did it for you!" She wanted Clem all to herself, to relive the sister she lost.
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Nope because then he wouldn't ask and was the guy who was first there, and how would you feel if you let someone go and he comes back to rob you costing rebecca and lukes life. Only because f#ing Arvo was stealing from his group and wanted to blame clem and jane
Okay then** lol** I'll keep going
Kenny's negative attributes are substantial most notabley is he's aggressive to the point he drives away everybody else, not willing to listen to a word anyone says as he always thinks he's right regardless of the consequences.
Also your clearly not reading anything I write I dont care about what he does and if you like him personally its that his character dosnt grow this season at all and just repeats his season 1 arc among all the other things I said.
Please, he/she isn't even bothering to read or analyze your arguments. Just walk away, there's no use arguing with such a stubborn and childish individual.
Why are the comments deleted?
You give up, because you no longer know what to say, because you can't defend yourself.
Checkmated, lol.
Maybe because you refuse to understand his argument and him explaining his point to you again is stupid and a waste of time considering that you refuse to understand and don't get the idea.
Is not true. Firewallcano has also answered back, but I can only see bit of what he has answered in Feed on my profile.
If Lilly was brought back instead of Kenny I feel like TTG would switch things around and make Clementine dislike Lilly no matter what. :x
If no one cared about Clementine and AJ and if Kenny was the only one why would:
The Cabin Group help Clementine any further?
Jane save Clementine and Rebecca with AJ nearing birth from a herd of Walkers?
Jane save Clementine from drowning in ice cold water?
Jane teach Clementine survival tricks?
Carlos treat Clementine's wound?
Rebecca not give up on having AJ?
Bonnie check up to see if Clementine is ok?
Sarita help Clementine in the herd?
Mike and Bonnie save Clementine from a Walker?
Luke stand up for Clementine?
Alvin provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Pete side with Clementine?
Nick or Pete provide Clementine a chance to escape?
Bonnie not tell Carver about Luke?
Wyatt ask for Clementine's opinion on Nick?
Sarah be persuaded to be her friend?
Lee cares for Clementine more than Kenny... geez.
If Kenny cared so much about Clementine and AJ then why didn't he keep them near him at all times? Why didn't he help Clementine or the unborn AJ in Rebecca in the herd? Why did he just willingly hand over two of the most important people in his life to a community he knew nothing about? Why would he risk getting Clementine, AJ and himself getting killed by the cold? Why did Kenny get mad at Clementine multiple times no matter if she sided with him or not? Kenny also didn't take notice of Clementine or AJ during the gunfight with the Russians. Kenny is too busy beating Arvo up to care about Clementine drowning or AJ being in the hands of someone else he knew almost nothing about.
All good examples thank you
I really hope this isnt case, simaler with Mike etc, I dont want to be forced to like or dislike anyone
The Cabin group left her to die of an infection, because they didn't want to waste bandages on her in case she was bitten.
Kenny was willing to give up his life for her, and they didn't want to waste bandages.
They were going to help her in the morning
Not to mention they'd just saved clems life a few minutes earlier and didnt want to waste bandages on a walker bite (I wouldnt have bought the dog story either) not to mention they had no idea who clem was at that point they had no ties to help her in the first place
Wow...I seriously respect you for posting this. I've been of this opinion for awhile now, but I didn't want to express it because I didn't want to deal with bullshit. Bravo
I like Kenny's character, but I think they should have left him sacrificing himself for Ben in that alley. I think his appearance in S2 derailed the story the season was building up to as well as opportunities for new characters to be developed.
Again, thanks for posting. You made really valid points and even if others don't agree, should definitely consider and think about.
congrats to kenny for beating up a girl and a disabled teenager.
you're right that makes him the best.
Still, a little girl to leave alone in a hut is bad. She is also a human being and people should help. Especially if she's telling the truth that a dog has bitten she.
Definitely not. For me, Kenny returning was what made season 2. Without Kenny, season 2 would have been uninteresting.
I thought it was well placed. Of course there would be a bond between Kenny and Clementine, they survived together for a long time during the events of season 1. Remember in reality it would have taken place over many months not just hours. Kenny was never unkind of Clementine during season 1 so there was no reason for them to dislike each other and every reason for them to be glad to see each other. Also, most people tended to befriend Kenny as Lee during season one, so for most people it was very fitting.
I think it was the other way around
Also, remember that age doesn't matter in the apocalypse anymore... unless you're a baby.
What girl? Jane? Are you even serious with this shit? Did you forget everything that Jane did at the Rest Stop or what?
No, no a disabled teenager. Arvo was one of the guys in the group that nearly got all of them killed.
I am not even sure why I am responding to you, when you say shit like this, but...
sigh
To make a long story short, you are biased. You are ignoring Kenny´s character.
Excuse me, but
If you noticed all the time. Kenny was the only who has protected Clementine from Carver, while all the others only stared. Then Luke wanted to leave Kenny, when the whole group wanted to flee. And yes, Lee has protected more Clementine,but we talk about Season 2 and not the first Season of The Walking Dead. So your statement is false, because Kenny helped Rebecca at the birth of AJ. And someone has to Arvo hold because Arvo ago to escape. Which is true, because he wants to flee with Mike and Bonnie. Kenny has done everything right.
And Jane didn't teach Clementine survival tricks. It was Lee. Lee has taught Clementine how to shoot and this is much more important than a few knife tricks.
Not good enough examples ;-)
Well damn, this is the S2 that I wish TellTale gave us.
Of course they have a bond, but I feel like I'm not in control Clementine. I don't really have a lot to complain about Kenny being in Season Two but the friendship feels very forced due to the pre-existing bond.
Also I think most people were intended to be Kenny's friend there were a lot of people who dislike him, and that would be terrible writing.
I laugh at myself about my mistake, lol.
"She has bitten a dog" - That's really funny! :-)
I have processed my text again. It isn't so easy, if you have a different native tongue and when it learns another language.
Back on topic of how old you are: I think age plays a role, because whether you are in a apocalypse and how well you can survive. Someone has to be there an adult who has experience and protected you. Every kid needs an experienced adult at his side. Every child needs a safety with familiar people at his side.
Kenny is the real exemple of a man in ZA. He is ready to do everything to survive and to protect the peope that he care and the way that he become angry after loosing someone is the real way how a man would react.
Dang, this is a good post! Although I agree Kenneth shouldn't have come back I also disagree in that he could've been reintroduced later in the season rather than so early so the cabin group can develop more. I honestly though Carlos was the replacement Kenneth for season 2 as Carlos had shown he can have a temper, and there was Kenneth was and in the next episode there was practically no more cabin group and I was very sad.
I know im wasting my breath/keyboard but anyway
She really did, that knee trick that clem uses over the last two episodes is taught by her, Lee taught clem to shoot thats about it
I think everyone helped with that...
And finally this is again compltley off topic, this is about Kenny being misused this season not whether you like Kenny or the thing hes done as a character
Yes he is, but we saw this exact same thing in season 1. Sarita is just new Kat and duck.
The entire kenny season 2 arc leaves him at exactly the same point as the end season 1 if you let him murder Jane
I am sorry I have no responded sonner. I didn´t have much time.
So? Does that make it any better or somehow a bad example?
Nope.
It’s precisely because of Luke´s death. How it happened anyway. If you cover Luke, she causes his death. That guilt is what drives her to blame Clem, and want to leave her behind.
Duck and Katjaa deaths were because of Ben. Walter is because of Carver. Sarita´s death can be because of Clem. So no, most of Kenny´s losses were caused by people.
Well, I am just going to give you a example: Ben. He screamed at Ben, sure, and had to be restrained, but once they get out of Crawford he doesn´t try to kill Ben again.
I think that scene was less because of Sarita´s death and more about his hatred of Carver.
I don´t see this. He shouts at her (determinant) because she caused Sarita´s death if you cut off her arm off, or she doesn´t even try to understand or outright mocks him. There was nothing about relieving stress there.
Of course Kenny killed lots of walkers within the horde. How else was he going to get through the horde?
So?
Yes. Sarah screaming didn´t help things at all.
So what? You are ignoring that, if you cut off her arm, the causes of her dead are your fault. Either she bleeds out, she dies for the bite or you axe her.
Did I say that he should have done it?
So that the majority thought that cutting Sarita´s arm in the herd was a good idea somehow makes it right?
Good to know
First of all, it was not bullshit.
Second of all, I am sure Ben was also only trying to help by giving supplies to the bandits. Doesn´t change the consequences of his actions nor that doing it in the first place was fucking stupid.
Exactly. The majority, but not all. In any case, this is a pretty poor example. Nobody needs to say anything for you to know it’s true. Nick behavior before that clearly shows his suicidal intentions.
Yes. So what? He is not going to kill himself, not matter what. Unlike Nick. So Nick is reacting worse that Kenny.
I trust the opinion of the man who has be friends with Nick for years, but maybe that is just me. In any case, Luke is clearly right. After Pete´s death, Nick is clearly “coming unhinged”. He becomes rash, loses the littel convidence he has left, draws on Matheew first, triest to justify his murder, etc.
Well in Season 2 the adults needed an experienced child... Clementine xd she was pretty much taking care of everyone, but yeah
age does matter do allot of people in the apocalypse but not all.
That's because he will never give up. Like me, if I loose my sister in a ZA, I will be sad and angry, but I will not give up, give up its dumb.
What Lee has taught to Clementine is more important than a few knife tricks. Don't forget, Lee has also taught Clementine, as their attitude should be to survive: Keep hair short or stay away from cities or always keep moving and also Clementine should have no fear of Walkers, because Walkers are stupid and People are smarter.
"I'm not letting somebody else get eaten today. Especially a good friend." - Kenny said to Lee.
Don't forget also, that Kenny and Lee are old friends, because the Season 1 Episode 1 of The Walking Dead, after Larry beats Lee and Kenny came back for help Lee. Now Lee is as Kenny replaced for Clementine. Kenny is love. Kenny is life. Forever Lee, Kenny and Clementine.
So, Firewallcano stay away from me you Kenny hater.
Kenny said determinatley to lee, oh and again yes Lee and Kenny can be bros or enemies in season 1 that is what made it so great. However in season 2 this is complete disregarded and you are forced to like him. Also what does Lee and Kenny being determinately friends to do with Kenny and clem being best friends all Kenny and clem did in season 1 was
Thats it, thats all their interactions and apparently from this Clem feels Kenny is a replacement Lee for her
I really dont understand
Stay away from what? Your posts, this thread (I.e my thread)? Its a forum for discussion
You know what, you looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears!
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. You can decide whether you are agree with Mike, Luke, Jane, Bonnie and Arvo or you are agree with Kenny, while others argue with Kenny how the plan should be. You are not forced to like him. You can shoot him or leave him in the end.
I would stay with Kenny and leave Wellington, because I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. There was no other way to kill Larry, because they were caught. Larry was already dead, he couldn't have overcome problems with his heart. If Larry had turned into a zombie, how should they kill him? The room was already small enough and they have no weapons. Either all would have been dead if Kenny wouldn't have killed him earlier. This was the chance to kill him. For Clementine is it normal that she has scared, that Larry had to die, but she will understand. What said Ben when he was a member of the group? The problem is in the head, if one turns into a zombie. Katjaa knew that also when Duck was bitten and then Katjaa shot herself in the head. Not to forget it is determinative of whether Kenny or Lee has to shoot Duck. Both shoot at Duck's head. It's always in the head the problem, all are infected.
You looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears. Where did you get the idea that Kenny growls to Clementine to get on the train? Everyone in the group got into the train, because there was no other way and so they could drive to Savannah. Clementine wanted to Savannah, because she searched her parents.
You will also never understand that Kenny is now in a position of Lee. Kenny is now worry about Clementine and AJ.
You're right this is your thread and a forum for discussion, but in the end I will still be the same.
I don't want that Kenny dies and you trying to kill Kenny and you looking for reasons, so that Kenny disappears!
Have you thought how Fans of Kenny would react to your thread? No certainly not. You are making yourself disliked by people who are Fans of Kenny.
This discussion between you and me can take a long time. Like I said, in the end I will still be the same.
This is essentially pointless, yes he has his reasons and it may have been the right thing to do regardless it still terrified clementine who in most peoples games had to witness it directly
Again not doubting this but again dosnt change the fact he just speaks harshly at her and this being there only interaction
I didnt try to kill Kenny I did kill Kenny though clementine bawled her eyes out over it despite the fact I cared about most of the other characters this season way more than him
.... I really dont care, Im making points about Kenny's usage in season 2 no doubt his fanboys will hate it, that said most people including most of his fans are fine with this as its a mature discussion. Are you saying I shouldnt have made this thread purely to avoid Kenny backlash?
Nope Kenny dosnt give up which is why is speech about that and his heroic sacrifice in season 1 was such a good end to his story but ah well.
I dont agree with Kat did but I dont consider what she did "dumb" it was clearly a moment of emotional turmoil
I don't understand why people are saying "Kenny killed Jane over nothing!"
She was making out to have killed the baby, one of Kenny's last anchors. She could have stopped the fight at any point, as Kenny said. But she didn't. She wanted him gone and one of Jane's lines (if you kill Kenny and she's apologising about hiding the baby) was "I wanted to convince you to come with me." "I did it for you!" She wanted Clem all to herself, to relive the sister she lost.
Sorry Kenny you've survived TWD Season 01, but you shouldn't have come back.
Kenny: "Then why you came to visit me at the ski lodge then??? Fuckers..."
That was no excuse to kill her. He was out for blood all episode and that was just the point where he went totally out of control.