I don't think Kenny was actually blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. He was just supposed to be lashing out at anyone who came close. They even had a talk about this later, when Clem tried to get him to re-join the group.
I don't think Kenny was actually blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. He was just supposed to be lashing out at anyone who came close. They even had a talk about this later, when Clem tried to get him to re-join the group.
I don't think Kenny was actually blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. He was just supposed to be lashing out at anyone who came close. They even had a talk about this later, when Clem tried to get him to re-join the group.
Your wrong and the one armed man explained why, an half hour is to much probably 25 minutes too late
Said one armed man took hours. … moreA half hour was a exageration-Clem took a few minutes to get out the herd, and nothing more.
she was srewed if clem didn't cut her arm off
Even if we asumme you are rigth-which you aren´t-, is this enougth reason to forget that Clem cutting Sarita´s arm off ends up killing Sarita, thus is Clem´s fault?
Are you really being serious? No, really, are you? I am starting to think you are just trolling me.
Clem cutts Sarita´s arm off
Sarita screams.
The walkers drag her to the ground, bite her and nearly kill her.
Sarita is either axed by Clementine, left to bleed out (because Clem cut off her arm) or to die because of the multiple bites (and the majority of them are Clem´s fault).
Sarita dies either way... therefore there is some truth in what CathalOHara said.
Technically it was Sarita's fault for getting involved... if she hadn't wandered away by herself or attacked Walkers then she wouldn't have been in that position, also Sarah caused her to do such action because of her reaction to Carlos's death, therefore making it the person who killed Carlos to blame for Sarita's death.
Well did you notice Kenny and Mike try to do something with Sarita once they got out of the herd? After Clementine determinantly kills the Walkers, Sarita runs off with Kenny and Mike, therefore they are responsible for her as well.
Because she was already dead!
Nope.
Why are you finding this hard to understand?
I could say the same to you.
Bi… morepedalP's point still holds up firmly.
Ah, ah, ah, good one.
Oh, wait, you are serious.
It wasn't Clem's fault for her death. Not even remotely.
Well, if you cut off her arm, she either bleeds out, you axe Sarita, or the three more bites caused her to die. All of which are actions of Clementine and their consequences. How is that not her fault? Explain.
How so? The second conversation went approximately like this:
Kenny: I'm sorry about how I reacted about Sarita earlier.
Clementine: That's okay. I understand you didn't mean it.
Kenny : Thanks.
Sarita decided to try and help Clementine out of her own will causing her to get bit by a Walker, the same way Lee decided to try and look for Clementine at his own risk causing him to get bit by a Walker, no matter what you can't take away the fact that these characters had the choice to interfere and they chose it, causing them to get bit in the process.
She is axed by Clementine when she reanimates into a Walker, she wasn't Sarita anymore. We don't know if she would've bled out because we only see her get her arm cut off determinantly causing a sudden death in the Walker herd. Clementine didn't bite Sarita and also remember that Clementine was the only one who came to Sarita's aid.
Nope because if she doesn´t sarita dies anyway
Are you really being serious? No, really, are you? I am starting to think you are jus… moret trolling me.
Clem cutts Sarita´s arm off
Sarita screams.
The walkers drag her to the ground, bite her and nearly kill her.
Sarita is either axed by Clementine, left to bleed out (because Clem cut off her arm) or to die because of the multiple bites (and the majority of them are Clem´s fault).
Haha, you're so edgy aren't you?
Is that your only response, continuing to insult me instead of addressing anything I have said?
You are only showing your immaturity.
I'm guessing you're thirteen?
Fifteen, actually.
I dont really consider it as an insult and if people see it as one, im sorry. I was simply implying how one can believe in something, without having solid evidence to back up its existance.
She is axed by Clementine when she reanimates into a Walker, she wasn't Sarita anymore. We don't know if she would've bled out because we on… morely see her get her arm cut off determinantly causing a sudden death in the Walker herd. Clementine didn't bite Sarita and also remember that Clementine was the only one who came to Sarita's aid.
Sarita dies either way... therefore there is some truth in what CathalOHara said.
But cutting her arm off causes her death. Who cutts off Sarita´s arm? Clem. Who is at fault? Clem.
Technically it was Sarita's fault for getting involved...
So soldiers should not be given awards no matter what they do, because their deaths are their own fault for joining the military.
Or murder victims are at fault for getting involved with the murder.
Good to know.
also Sarah caused her to do such action because of her reaction to Carlos's death, therefore making it the person who killed Carlos to blame for Sarita's death.
If you want to go down that path, you should blame Carlos and Sarah for Sarita´s death. Carlos, because he sheltered his daugther. Sarah, for being sheltered and depending of Carlos completely.
Sarita dies either way... therefore there is some truth in what CathalOHara said.
Technically it was Sarita's fault for getting involved.… more.. if she hadn't wandered away by herself or attacked Walkers then she wouldn't have been in that position, also Sarah caused her to do such action because of her reaction to Carlos's death, therefore making it the person who killed Carlos to blame for Sarita's death.
Well did you notice Kenny and Mike try to do something with Sarita once they got out of the herd? After Clementine determinantly kills the Walkers, Sarita runs off with Kenny and Mike, therefore they are responsible for her as well.
So murders should not get prison time, rigth? Because nobody is at fault for the death of people.
Sarita decided to try and help Clementine out of her own will
Whut?
no matter what you can't take away the fact that these characters had the choice to interfere and they chose it, causing them to get bit in the process.
Does this change that if Clem had no go for the Stranger, Lee could not have to run after her? Does this change that if Clem had not chopped off Sarita´s arm, she could not have died because of her?
No one is truly at fault for the death of people.
Sarita decided to try and help Clementine out of her own will causing her to get bit by… more a Walker, the same way Lee decided to try and look for Clementine at his own risk causing him to get bit by a Walker, no matter what you can't take away the fact that these characters had the choice to interfere and they chose it, causing them to get bit in the process.
I wish there was a dialogue option that said 'Who was it that asked me to crawl through a ticket window with a walker in it', 'Who was it that asked me to get Kenny and Jane over by the fire or that Luke said 'Stop tellin' her that, look at me okay pull out your gun and shoot those damn walkers'. I also helped Luke but I wish the majority who covered him could have got those dialogue options.
I honestly don´t hate Bonnie because in my canon save she didn´t get angry at Clem.
But if you cover Luke, the biggest problem to me isn´t even her blaming Clem. It´s that she says "no one ever expects you to do anything".
Say whaaaaat?
I wish there was a dialogue option that said 'Who was it that asked me to crawl through a ticket window with a walker in it', 'Who was it th… moreat asked me to get Kenny and Jane over by the fire or that Luke said 'Stop tellin' her that, look at me okay pull out your gun and shoot those damn walkers'. I also helped Luke but I wish the majority who covered him could have got those dialogue options.
First conversation is in the herd and he blames Clementine.
In second conversation he blame Clementine even more.
few days later he ac… moretually says he is sorry.
How so? The second conversation went approximately like this:
Kenny: I'm sorry about how I reacted about Sarita earlier. Clementine: That's okay. I understand you didn't mean it. Kenny : Thanks.
That is determinate dialogue option, so not use it as argument.
Is this seriously an argument? Any true TWD fan knows that getting bit is a death sentence and only cutting off the limb that got bit gives you a 50/50 chance. Chopping off the arm was the only small chance Sarita had but zombies ate her anyway. If you wanna blame somebody, blame the damn zombie. Tell me something. If Clem hadn't been near Sarita and it was Kenny in that situation instead, would you suddenly blame him?
In my playthrough I hacked at the Zombie's head, Sarita still died and Kenny was still mad at me. How does that make any sense?Kenny is bein… moreg unreasonable here. Besides, Kenny and Clem probably only know Lee and that dude at Carver's, who had an arm amputated. So even if it is possible to survive a bite without immediat amputation, Kenny probably wouldn't even know that...
Is this seriously an argument? Any true TWD fan knows that getting bit is a death sentence and only cutting off the limb that got bit gives… more you a 50/50 chance. Chopping off the arm was the only small chance Sarita had but zombies ate her anyway. If you wanna blame somebody, blame the damn zombie. Tell me something. If Clem hadn't been near Sarita and it was Kenny in that situation instead, would you suddenly blame him?
This whole thing was started because you ask (in a condescending manner) "who made her scream, genious?"
Which was a very bitter way to insult my intellect (which is something I don't appreciate... at all). I simply stated that maybe spell checking would be good since you seemed to be needlessly rude just to put up barriers because you yourself don't know what you're talking about.
In the future, please do not insult my intelligence. It's an enormous pet peeve of mine. Now, I'm done here.
I wasn't insulting, sorry if you misconstrued my question for an insult.
Calling someone inmmature is a insult.
Fifteen. Yeah,… more I guess that makes sense too.
And being condescending like you are being now is also a insult.
But well, whatever, this is not even the point.
The point is that, when you don´t have a response, you resort to insult me and you ignore everything I said. Answer me, at least:
Who made her scream, genius?
Here's what I'll do, I won't answer you.
This whole thing was started because you ask (in a condescending manner) "who made her scream, g… moreenious?"
Which was a very bitter way to insult my intellect (which is something I don't appreciate... at all). I simply stated that maybe spell checking would be good since you seemed to be needlessly rude just to put up barriers because you yourself don't know what you're talking about.
In the future, please do not insult my intelligence. It's an enormous pet peeve of mine. Now, I'm done here.
Any true TWD fan knows that getting bit is a death sentence and only cutting off the limb that got bit gives you a 50/50 chance.
Yes… more.
Chopping off the arm was the only small chance Sarita had but zombies ate her anyway.
Chopping off that arm, in a walker herd, also kills Sarita.
Tell me something. If Clem hadn't been near Sarita and it was Kenny in that situation instead, would you suddenly blame him?
If Kenny had cut off Sarita´s arm, then yes.
Oh, come on. His son died, his wife committed suicide, he was beaten almost to death and his girlfriend died.
He saved Clementine's life multiple times, risking his life in the process. I think she wouldn't hold some harsh words against him, when she knows how badly he was hurting inside.
I know I wouldn't hold anything against a loved one who went through all that for saying harsh words they don't mean, especially when they've saved my life multiple times, risking their own lives in the process.
In season 2, Kenny put Clementine and others more in danger than kept them safe. I dont care what reasons someone has to go be like that, i wouldnt want to be around them.
Oh, come on. His son died, his wife committed suicide, he was beaten almost to death and his girlfriend died.
He saved Clementine's life … moremultiple times, risking his life in the process. I think she wouldn't hold some harsh words against him, when she knows how badly he was hurting inside.
I know I wouldn't hold anything against a loved one who went through all that for saying harsh words they don't mean, especially when they've saved my life multiple times, risking their own lives in the process.
Clementine would have died on multiple occasions, if Kenny didn't rescue her while knowingly risking his life in the process.
He could have taken off when Carver's group captured the others, but he stuck around to rescue Clementine.
When the gun was pointed to Clementine's head, he gave himself up, knowing that he could be killed for having killed one of Carver's men.
When Clementine was in danger, he took the blame for the radio, allowing himself to be beaten to death for her.
He never took off without Clementine and would not abandon her, unlike Jane who left her wounded in the car to defend herself from walkers, and previously left her sister to die.
When they reach Wellington, he begs them to take Clementine into safety, even offering to give up the supplies for himself as a part of the deal.
He couldn't even kill his son after he turned into a zombie. He can't hurt his family members, and he considers Clementine family.
If Clem believes Jane's lies that he's a danger to her, he supports her choice to leave without him. He clearly has her best interests at heart.
Even if she shoots him, he forgives her and wants what's best for her.
Jane almost got the whole group killed by getting Russian thugs to attack the group. Kenny never did that.
In season 2, Kenny put Clementine and others more in danger than kept them safe. I dont care what reasons someone has to go be like that, i wouldnt want to be around them.
He could have taken off when Carver's group captured the others, but he stuck around to rescue Clementine.
You seem to forget that other reason he stopped shooting, was because Sarita was in danger. So thats not proper argument.
When Clementine was in danger, he took the blame for the radio, allowing himself to be beaten to death for her.
He forced Clementine to take the radio in the first place, even if you want Mike to have it. He's the one that put Clementine in danger...
He never took off without Clementine and would not abandon her, unlike Jane who left her wounded in the car to defend herself from walkers, and previously left her sister to die.
Except he left her alone when walkers attacked Howe's. He left her in the herd after they got outside, because Sarita was bitten/died.
unlike Jane who left her wounded in the car to defend herself from walkers, and previously left her sister to die.
Jane had the baby and 2 walkers were coming after her. She couldnt have possibly helped Clementine in that situation and Clementine had gun, Jane had only knife. Her sister was suicidal and refused to move. You cant honestly blame Jane for that. You might aswell blame Kenny for allowing Katjaa to shoot herself, if you think its Jane's fault that her sister died.
When they reach Wellington, he begs them to take Clementine into safety, even offering to give up the supplies for himself as a part of the deal.
They can afford to give the supplies away, and he keeps them in the end. Nothing heroic about refusing to take free stuff, which they can afford to give away.
He couldn't even kill his son after he turned into a zombie. He can't hurt his family members, and he considers Clementine family.
Except that he shoots Duck if you dont do it. Duck wasnt walker or even dead before he is shot.
If Clem believes Jane's lies that he's a danger to her, he supports her choice to leave without him. He clearly has her best interests at heart.
What the hell are you talking about?
Even if she shoots him, he forgives her and wants what's best for her.
Obviously, because even he knew he was going over the line. Thats how Kenny does things. Hurts others and asks sorry later.
Jane almost got the whole group killed by getting Russian thugs to attack the group. Kenny never did that.
Except that Arvo tries to rob you even if you let him keep his medicine. Its was a robbery, not revenge.
Clementine would have died on multiple occasions, if Kenny didn't rescue her while knowingly risking his life in the process.
* He coul… mored have taken off when Carver's group captured the others, but he stuck around to rescue Clementine.
* When the gun was pointed to Clementine's head, he gave himself up, knowing that he could be killed for having killed one of Carver's men.
* When Clementine was in danger, he took the blame for the radio, allowing himself to be beaten to death for her.
* He never took off without Clementine and would not abandon her, unlike Jane who left her wounded in the car to defend herself from walkers, and previously left her sister to die.
* When they reach Wellington, he begs them to take Clementine into safety, even offering to give up the supplies for himself as a part of the deal.
* He couldn't even kill his son after he turned into a zombie. He can't hurt his family members, and he considers Clementine fam… [view original content]
I dont claim to be a good person, but when something is mistakenly treated as heroic act, of course im going to point out how thats false st… moreatement.
It's ironic. In the other thread you're arguing in terms of being a survivalist. You're arguing for what needs to be done to keep yourself alive. So in regards to the beating incident, how would you view Kenny's actions? I mean, based on the logic that you use to support Jane/ your own morals, Kenny didn't have to do anything at all in that situation. It would have put himself in danger. He should have kept his head down and let Clementine take her own chances, right?
I simply don't understand how you can be so blatantly callous in regards to caring for a baby in the apocalypse and yet place moral expectations on Kenny in this situation (as in, he should have taken the blame anyway, therefore his actions were not heroic). Its an inconsistency in judgement on your part. To clarify, if… [view original content]
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Haha, you're so edgy aren't you?
I'm guessing you're thirteen?
I don't think Kenny was actually blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. He was just supposed to be lashing out at anyone who came close. They even had a talk about this later, when Clem tried to get him to re-join the group.
It sure sounded and looked like it both times you were talking with him.
He lashed out at Mike or Bonnie too. He just needed some alone time... so yes you´re right
Nope because if she doesn´t sarita dies anyway
Is that your only response, continuing to insult me instead of addressing anything I have said?
You are only showing your immaturity.
Fifteen, actually.
Are you really being serious? No, really, are you? I am starting to think you are just trolling me.
Clem cutts Sarita´s arm off
Sarita screams.
The walkers drag her to the ground, bite her and nearly kill her.
Sarita is either axed by Clementine, left to bleed out (because Clem cut off her arm) or to die because of the multiple bites (and the majority of them are Clem´s fault).
How so? The second conversation went approximately like this:
Kenny: I'm sorry about how I reacted about Sarita earlier.
Clementine: That's okay. I understand you didn't mean it.
Kenny : Thanks.
This goes both ways.
Sarita dies either way... therefore there is some truth in what CathalOHara said.
Technically it was Sarita's fault for getting involved... if she hadn't wandered away by herself or attacked Walkers then she wouldn't have been in that position, also Sarah caused her to do such action because of her reaction to Carlos's death, therefore making it the person who killed Carlos to blame for Sarita's death.
Well did you notice Kenny and Mike try to do something with Sarita once they got out of the herd? After Clementine determinantly kills the Walkers, Sarita runs off with Kenny and Mike, therefore they are responsible for her as well.
First conversation is in the herd and he blames Clementine.
In second conversation he blame Clementine even more.
few days later he actually says he is sorry.
Kenny: I'm sorry about how I reacted about Sarita earlier. Clementine: That's okay. I understand you didn't mean it. Kenny : Thanks.
That is determinate dialogue option, so not use it as argument.
No one is truly at fault for the death of people.
Sarita decided to try and help Clementine out of her own will causing her to get bit by a Walker, the same way Lee decided to try and look for Clementine at his own risk causing him to get bit by a Walker, no matter what you can't take away the fact that these characters had the choice to interfere and they chose it, causing them to get bit in the process.
She is axed by Clementine when she reanimates into a Walker, she wasn't Sarita anymore. We don't know if she would've bled out because we only see her get her arm cut off determinantly causing a sudden death in the Walker herd. Clementine didn't bite Sarita and also remember that Clementine was the only one who came to Sarita's aid.
I still liked both Kenny and Bonnie in the end, I just think that good people make bad decisions sometimes.
I wasn't insulting, sorry if you misconstrued my question for an insult.
Fifteen. Yeah, I guess that makes sense too.
Come on man, I'm starting to like you. You can dooooo ieeet.
Are you being sarcastic? Cant really tell.
Nah man, not this time. Just try to be a little nicer to people and we can all be friends again.
Calling someone inmmature is a insult.
And being condescending like you are being now is also a insult.
But well, whatever, this is not even the point.
The point is that, when you don´t have a response, you resort to insult me and you ignore everything I said. Answer me, at least:
What? Nope, nope, nope. She was still human.
She had her arm cut off, and she was not bandaged. So, yes, if you leave her behind she either dies for the bites or bleeds out. Whatever comes first.
Did I say otherwise?
Remember that she was the only there, and only because she found Sarita by coincidence.
But cutting her arm off causes her death. Who cutts off Sarita´s arm? Clem. Who is at fault? Clem.
So soldiers should not be given awards no matter what they do, because their deaths are their own fault for joining the military.
Or murder victims are at fault for getting involved with the murder.
Good to know.
If you want to go down that path, you should blame Carlos and Sarah for Sarita´s death. Carlos, because he sheltered his daugther. Sarah, for being sheltered and depending of Carlos completely.
Yes. And?
So murders should not get prison time, rigth? Because nobody is at fault for the death of people.
Whut?
Does this change that if Clem had no go for the Stranger, Lee could not have to run after her? Does this change that if Clem had not chopped off Sarita´s arm, she could not have died because of her?
I wish there was a dialogue option that said 'Who was it that asked me to crawl through a ticket window with a walker in it', 'Who was it that asked me to get Kenny and Jane over by the fire or that Luke said 'Stop tellin' her that, look at me okay pull out your gun and shoot those damn walkers'. I also helped Luke but I wish the majority who covered him could have got those dialogue options.
His moves are workin' on all the ladies.
I wish there was an option to say "You asked me to do a bunch of shit yourself!". Clem just stands there looking bored. Come on, girl, fight back!
Only Clementine's line is determinant. Kenny's apology about how he reacted was not determinant.
Just like what Kenny said before. You cant just hurt other people and say you're sorry, and that would magically make it go away.
Is this seriously an argument? Any true TWD fan knows that getting bit is a death sentence and only cutting off the limb that got bit gives you a 50/50 chance. Chopping off the arm was the only small chance Sarita had but zombies ate her anyway. If you wanna blame somebody, blame the damn zombie. Tell me something. If Clem hadn't been near Sarita and it was Kenny in that situation instead, would you suddenly blame him?
Yes.
Chopping off that arm, in a walker herd, also kills Sarita.
If Kenny had cut off Sarita´s arm, then yes.
Here's what I'll do, I won't answer you.
This whole thing was started because you ask (in a condescending manner) "who made her scream, genious?"
Which was a very bitter way to insult my intellect (which is something I don't appreciate... at all). I simply stated that maybe spell checking would be good since you seemed to be needlessly rude just to put up barriers because you yourself don't know what you're talking about.
In the future, please do not insult my intelligence. It's an enormous pet peeve of mine. Now, I'm done here.
What a plot twist!
If you seem incapable of grasping something as simple as that, why should I not be condescending?
Oh, you are assuming again.
What a twist!
And? You started it.
Irony is so funny.
Barriers? If we are going to talk about barriers, let’s start with your barriers. You did not answer. You did not even try. Because you can´t answer.
Insults, coming for you. This is the twist of the century.
Some "intelligences" deserve to be insulted.
Oh, really? I had not noticed it.
Done? How funny. You did not even do anything here.
Cut off Sarita´s arm when not sorrouded by walkers, and hope for the best.
Then she dies from the bite... What would you have done?
Cutt of her arm as soon we got out of the herd, and hope for the best.
Oh, come on. His son died, his wife committed suicide, he was beaten almost to death and his girlfriend died.
He saved Clementine's life multiple times, risking his life in the process. I think she wouldn't hold some harsh words against him, when she knows how badly he was hurting inside.
I know I wouldn't hold anything against a loved one who went through all that for saying harsh words they don't mean, especially when they've saved my life multiple times, risking their own lives in the process.
In season 2, Kenny put Clementine and others more in danger than kept them safe. I dont care what reasons someone has to go be like that, i wouldnt want to be around them.
Clementine would have died on multiple occasions, if Kenny didn't rescue her while knowingly risking his life in the process.
Jane almost got the whole group killed by getting Russian thugs to attack the group. Kenny never did that.
You seem to forget that other reason he stopped shooting, was because Sarita was in danger. So thats not proper argument.
He forced Clementine to take the radio in the first place, even if you want Mike to have it. He's the one that put Clementine in danger...
Except he left her alone when walkers attacked Howe's. He left her in the herd after they got outside, because Sarita was bitten/died.
Jane had the baby and 2 walkers were coming after her. She couldnt have possibly helped Clementine in that situation and Clementine had gun, Jane had only knife. Her sister was suicidal and refused to move. You cant honestly blame Jane for that. You might aswell blame Kenny for allowing Katjaa to shoot herself, if you think its Jane's fault that her sister died.
They can afford to give the supplies away, and he keeps them in the end. Nothing heroic about refusing to take free stuff, which they can afford to give away.
Except that he shoots Duck if you dont do it. Duck wasnt walker or even dead before he is shot.
What the hell are you talking about?
Obviously, because even he knew he was going over the line. Thats how Kenny does things. Hurts others and asks sorry later.
Except that Arvo tries to rob you even if you let him keep his medicine. Its was a robbery, not revenge.
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I really wish we had that option... Would you, if that choice was given, blame Clem still if Sarita still died outside of the heard without her arm?