nah they are only making her like that cause if she was how she is actually meant to be, all depressed like in the comics then she wouldn't be a very interesting character she wasn't exactly a interesting character in the comics so i think they made the right choice to make her just hardened up and still alive instead of being depressed and dead
nah they are only making her like that cause if she was how she is actually meant to be, all depressed like in the comics then she wouldn't … morebe a very interesting character she wasn't exactly a interesting character in the comics so i think they made the right choice to make her just hardened up and still alive instead of being depressed and dead
I thought it meant someone who goes against, the main character or causes problems for them, like Shane did for Rick. Who would Rick be goin… moreg against?
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
Your not missing much, it is extremely over hyped.
Agreed, Her and comic lori dont kill a single zombie especially as she basically kills herself as Tyreese breaks up with her and Lori and Rick wont marry her. No wonder she basically fucks up sophia mentally by slitting her wrists in front of her and then killing herself by zombie later
Kirkman did admit he felt he messed up her character and people were meant to find her tragic rather than weird and annoying
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
Your not missing much, it is extremely over hyped.
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
Your not missing much, it is extremely over hyped.
I thought it meant someone who goes against, the main character or causes problems for them, like Shane did for Rick. Who would Rick be goin… moreg against?
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
anti-hero: a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes
Thats what Rick is, not an antagonist. As well as Walter White, Joel, and Bigby to name some more.
anti-hero: a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes
Thats what Rick is, not an antagonist. As well as Walter White, Joel, and Bigby to name some more.
Thst still doesn't sound like Rick to me. He's had to make some hard choices but I still think that he's a good person. I don't feel like he's morally opposing anyone good.
No, the antagonist is generally considered the person who is morally bad opposing the morally good.
it just so happens that often the main character IDS morally good, but in the last of us I don't think joel is at all.
I think she is all three, especially with how she killed herself and cutting her wrists in front of Sophia. I guess Kirkman was trying to say that some people can't handle the circumstances and lose themselves in different ways, but yeah, I didn't like the character much at all. People complained the first season of the show because Carol wasnt "hot" like she is in the comic, but she is a much better character. Her storyline with Tyreese and the girls last season was great.
Agreed, Her and comic lori dont kill a single zombie especially as she basically kills herself as Tyreese breaks up with her and Lori and Ri… moreck wont marry her. No wonder she basically fucks up sophia mentally by slitting her wrists in front of her and then killing herself by zombie later
Kirkman did admit he felt he messed up her character and people were meant to find her tragic rather than weird and annoying
Thst still doesn't sound like Rick to me. He's had to make some hard choices but I still think that he's a good person. I don't feel like he's morally opposing anyone good.
Yeah Left behind was amazing. Although I think it could've been better if they didn't add those pointless fighting sections, it didn't feel like it needed them.
whereas Jane expresses shock and panic when she has to.
I don't really want to start an argument, but I always found it confusing that Jane was okay with shooting Troy in a dick and let him be devoured alive, but when she had to kill Vitali to protect the group, she was terrified.
Nearly.
Main difference I can think of is Carol is fine with the act of murdering people, whereas Jane expresses shock and panic when she… more has to.
Carol killed the ill person by burning her. Jane wanted to leave sarah behind, not actively kill her.
Yeah Left behind was amazing. Although I think it could've been better if they didn't add those pointless fighting sections, it didn't feel like it needed them.
I think it's because Troy had actually directly wronged her, whereas she didn't know anything about Vitalia apart from he was threatening people she liked.
If they hadn't cut the lines about Troy sexually abusing Jane it would be more obvious.
whereas Jane expresses shock and panic when she has to.
I don't really want to start an argument, but I always found it confusing th… moreat Jane was okay with shooting Troy in a dick and let him be devoured alive, but when she had to kill Vitali to protect the group, she was terrified.
If you're mainly referring to the final level where Joel takes Ellie away from the Fireflys, there's alot of clues that lead up to the fact that Ellie's surgery was never going to work and she would have died for nothing, and then there's this idea that saving humanity would just be even more problematic and make things worse than better. Joel isn't a hero, but I wouldn't exactly call him a villain either.
Uh, you can be both an anti-hero and the antagonist of a particular story.
That definition is far too wide regardless.
Calling someone… more an 'anti-hero' implies they are still heroes. For me, Joel is about as far from a hero as you can get.
I think Ellie is the true protagonist. Maybe Marlene.
In the end, Joel stops the surgery because he views Ellie as a daughter and cares for her.
Thing is, he didn't take the time to think of the impacts this would have. Theres a moment right at the end where Marlene tells him that isn't what ellie would want, and she then says, upon seeing his expression, that Joel knows that's true.
Joel's motivations weren't 'things would be worse with a cure' because he is taking Ellie in order to get a cure in the first place. IF he opposed that, then he would refuse to do take her.
The reason he opposes it is because Ellie would die. That's it. And since he knows that Ellie (and Tess for that matter) would actually want it, he lies to her about it at the end.
Thousands of people will die from the disease because Joel wanted a daughter figure. It's entirely selfish. That's why he's the villain to me.
his actions are understandable, but then, the actions of the best villains ARE understandable. But they';re still morally wrong.
I mostly got these ideas from a video on YouTube. It's called "Last of Us-ending analysis and explanation." I'd give it a watch if you haven't, it's pretty interesting and sheds some interesting light on a few things, though it is simply opinion, still, it's worth a watch.
But Joel isn't aware of those clues.
In the end, Joel stops the surgery because he views Ellie as a daughter and cares for her.
Thing … moreis, he didn't take the time to think of the impacts this would have. Theres a moment right at the end where Marlene tells him that isn't what ellie would want, and she then says, upon seeing his expression, that Joel knows that's true.
Joel's motivations weren't 'things would be worse with a cure' because he is taking Ellie in order to get a cure in the first place. IF he opposed that, then he would refuse to do take her.
The reason he opposes it is because Ellie would die. That's it. And since he knows that Ellie (and Tess for that matter) would actually want it, he lies to her about it at the end.
Thousands of people will die from the disease because Joel wanted a daughter figure. It's entirely selfish. That's why he's the villain to me.
his actions are understandable, but then, the actions of the best villains ARE understandable. But they';re still morally wrong.
That video was created from a biased view. As in, they played as joel and felt they needed to defend absolutely everything he does.
Most people would agree that, given the choice between killing someone and curing a disease which killed millions, or saving the person and allowing the disease to continue, and killing some of the best doctors left in the process, is morally wrong.
I mostly got these ideas from a video on YouTube. It's called "Last of Us-ending analysis and explanation." I'd give it a watch if you haven… more't, it's pretty interesting and sheds some interesting light on a few things, though it is simply opinion, still, it's worth a watch.
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Kids nowadays have it so easy.
How can Rick be an antagonist? He's the main star of the show.
nah they are only making her like that cause if she was how she is actually meant to be, all depressed like in the comics then she wouldn't be a very interesting character she wasn't exactly a interesting character in the comics so i think they made the right choice to make her just hardened up and still alive instead of being depressed and dead
She's not an old lady. The actress is late 40s, only a few years older than Norman Reedus.
You can be the main character and be the antagonist.
I strongly believe that Joel is the overall antagonist of The Last of Us for example.
If you watch the show, she's the former abused wife who's friends with Daryl.
They must have some talented makeup artists because she looks like she is in her 60s.
He killed Shane because he was Jealous.
Whatever you say.
She has grey hair.
I thought it meant someone who goes against, the main character or causes problems for them, like Shane did for Rick. Who would Rick be going against?
Unfortunately, I couldn't get too far playing Last of Us because my dual shock 3 controller is the worst.
I think show Carol is a vast improvement over the crazy cakes from the comic.
Your not missing much, it is extremely over hyped.
anti-hero: a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes
Thats what Rick is, not an antagonist. As well as Walter White, Joel, and Bigby to name some more.
it simply isn't something a person thinks its a fact
So? A lot of people as young as thirty have grey hair.
I still want to finish it someday. I might need to buy a new controller.
Agreed, Her and comic lori dont kill a single zombie especially as she basically kills herself as Tyreese breaks up with her and Lori and Rick wont marry her. No wonder she basically fucks up sophia mentally by slitting her wrists in front of her and then killing herself by zombie later
Kirkman did admit he felt he messed up her character and people were meant to find her tragic rather than weird and annoying
I agree it's a bit over hyped but it's definitely one of the better games out there.
You can probably get one for like 20 dollars now. I bought a PS3 controller maybe five months back for about forty dollars .
Carol humanely killed a psychopathic child who murdered her sister and tried to kill a baby.
The main game is, the DLC is incredible.
No, the antagonist is generally considered the person who is morally bad opposing the morally good.
it just so happens that often the main character IDS morally good, but in the last of us I don't think joel is at all.
They need to get some just for men, know what i mean bro.
Uh, you can be both an anti-hero and the antagonist of a particular story.
That definition is far too wide regardless.
Calling someone an 'anti-hero' implies they are still heroes. For me, Joel is about as far from a hero as you can get.
I think Ellie is the true protagonist. Maybe Marlene.
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Thst still doesn't sound like Rick to me. He's had to make some hard choices but I still think that he's a good person. I don't feel like he's morally opposing anyone good.
Hahah, Lori's face.
I think she is all three, especially with how she killed herself and cutting her wrists in front of Sophia. I guess Kirkman was trying to say that some people can't handle the circumstances and lose themselves in different ways, but yeah, I didn't like the character much at all. People complained the first season of the show because Carol wasnt "hot" like she is in the comic, but she is a much better character. Her storyline with Tyreese and the girls last season was great.
I'll look into that, thanks
Again I didn't say rick IS an antagonist, I just said it's arguable.
Most tropey antagonists are originally a good person who is driven to do bad stuff by x y and z. But regardless of intention, bad stuff is still bad.
Yeah Left behind was amazing. Although I think it could've been better if they didn't add those pointless fighting sections, it didn't feel like it needed them.
I don't really want to start an argument, but I always found it confusing that Jane was okay with shooting Troy in a dick and let him be devoured alive, but when she had to kill Vitali to protect the group, she was terrified.
I agree, it didn't, but the story taking place in two timezones led to a nice link at the end between what Ellie did for Joel and Riley's speech.
I think it's because Troy had actually directly wronged her, whereas she didn't know anything about Vitalia apart from he was threatening people she liked.
If they hadn't cut the lines about Troy sexually abusing Jane it would be more obvious.
If you're mainly referring to the final level where Joel takes Ellie away from the Fireflys, there's alot of clues that lead up to the fact that Ellie's surgery was never going to work and she would have died for nothing, and then there's this idea that saving humanity would just be even more problematic and make things worse than better. Joel isn't a hero, but I wouldn't exactly call him a villain either.
But Joel isn't aware of those clues.
In the end, Joel stops the surgery because he views Ellie as a daughter and cares for her.
Thing is, he didn't take the time to think of the impacts this would have. Theres a moment right at the end where Marlene tells him that isn't what ellie would want, and she then says, upon seeing his expression, that Joel knows that's true.
Joel's motivations weren't 'things would be worse with a cure' because he is taking Ellie in order to get a cure in the first place. IF he opposed that, then he would refuse to do take her.
The reason he opposes it is because Ellie would die. That's it. And since he knows that Ellie (and Tess for that matter) would actually want it, he lies to her about it at the end.
Thousands of people will die from the disease because Joel wanted a daughter figure. It's entirely selfish. That's why he's the villain to me.
his actions are understandable, but then, the actions of the best villains ARE understandable. But they';re still morally wrong.
I mostly got these ideas from a video on YouTube. It's called "Last of Us-ending analysis and explanation." I'd give it a watch if you haven't, it's pretty interesting and sheds some interesting light on a few things, though it is simply opinion, still, it's worth a watch.
That video was created from a biased view. As in, they played as joel and felt they needed to defend absolutely everything he does.
Most people would agree that, given the choice between killing someone and curing a disease which killed millions, or saving the person and allowing the disease to continue, and killing some of the best doctors left in the process, is morally wrong.