Dude, that's one. You said "why does this season keep insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals". I'm looking for the "keep insisting" part and that takes more than one. You also said "best pals" and your single example so far doesn't require that.
As has been pointed out many times, Kenny is the person Clem knows the longest left in the entire planet. He is part of a defining part of her life, a link to Lee and Duck and she thought he was dead. Him turning up is a big deal. They don't have to be friends at all for that to work (and we do get to vary the reaction). They certainly don't have to be "best pals". That first meeting does not equal the game insisting that they are best pals. Not even close.
When Clem first meets Kenny at the lodge and from then on, it's treated like "old friends" reuniting, except S1 showed zero evidence of Clem and Kenny being friends.
It's not believable in the slightest concerning there is no evidence of a relationship in S1. S2 is acting like Kenny knew Clem emotionally, when he really didn't.
Here's the thing, when you first meet Kenny at the lodge, the entire scene plays up that old friends are reuniting, which isn't the case, there's also quite a few segments where notable characters insist you talk to Kenny, because they think you're his friend, which isn't the case at all. The Kenny and Clem relationship is forced onto the player and it doesn't make sense, of course Kenny fanatics won't understand any of this because they are in love with Kenny.
Dude, that's one. You said "why does this season keep insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals". I'm looking for the "keep i… morensisting" part and that takes more than one. You also said "best pals" and your single example so far doesn't require that.
As has been pointed out many times, Kenny is the person Clem knows the longest left in the entire planet. He is part of a defining part of her life, a link to Lee and Duck and she thought he was dead. Him turning up is a big deal. They don't have to be friends at all for that to work (and we do get to vary the reaction). They certainly don't have to be "best pals". That first meeting does not equal the game insisting that they are best pals. Not even close.
So other examples?
Okay well the first scene is covered in my previous post. And the rest of what you describe is actually about the other characters. They don't know Clem long, they don't know Kenny at all but they know that the two of them know each other. So yeah, that's going to have those characters assume a relationship because there is one. Still doesn't mean they have to be friends, let alone best pals.
Not yet seeing anything here that backs up your idea that the game keeps insisting they're best pals. Seems like a gross exaggeration for what purpose? No idea, to be honest.
Here's the thing, when you first meet Kenny at the lodge, the entire scene plays up that old friends are reuniting, which isn't the case, th… moreere's also quite a few segments where notable characters insist you talk to Kenny, because they think you're his friend, which isn't the case at all. The Kenny and Clem relationship is forced onto the player and it doesn't make sense, of course Kenny fanatics won't understand any of this because they are in love with Kenny.
Actually no, this entire story treats it like Kenny and Clem were always friends and there's zero evidence of that, doesn't matter if you do or don't get attached to Kenny, the game still treats it like Kenny and Clem have a bond and the forces you sympathize with Kenny and makes everyone who opposes him assholes.
The point is, the game forces you to be friends with Kenny or have some kind of bond good or bad, forces you to sympathize with him, and make everyone who opposes him assholes, and the relationship is based on something that was only apparent in Kenny fan's heads, not S1, THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE. So there you go, hope you understand(probably won't)
Okay well the first scene is covered in my previous post. And the rest of what you describe is actually about the other characters. They don… more't know Clem long, they don't know Kenny at all but they know that the two of them know each other. So yeah, that's going to have those characters assume a relationship because there is one. Still doesn't mean they have to be friends, let alone best pals.
Not yet seeing anything here that backs up your idea that the game keeps insisting they're best pals. Seems like a gross exaggeration for what purpose? No idea, to be honest.
The reason why they treat it that way is cause they know that YOU the player have got attached to Kenny (atleast most of them), of course they almost never spoke on S1 but Telltale wats you to feel like they were best friends.
Actually no, this entire story treats it like Kenny and Clem were always friends and there's zero evidence of that, doesn't matter if you do… more or don't get attached to Kenny, the game still treats it like Kenny and Clem have a bond and the forces you sympathize with Kenny and makes everyone who opposes him assholes.
Well then that leads to the discussion that maybe Clem shouldn't have been the protagonist, and Telltale probably shouldn't have completely disregarded her set personality. Of course Telltale wants the player to fell like Kenny and Clem were friends, because the new writers are huge fans of Kenny as well, so course they'll advertise that because they're in love with Kenny.
The reason why they treat it that way is cause they know that YOU the player have got attached to Kenny (atleast most of them), of course they almost never spoke on S1 but Telltale wats you to feel like they were best friends.
Well then that leads to the discussion that maybe Clem shouldn't have been the protagonist, and Telltale probably shouldn't have completely … moredisregarded her set personality. Of course Telltale wants the player to fell like Kenny and Clem were friends, because the new writers are huge fans of Kenny as well, so course they'll advertise that because they're in love with Kenny.
No need for the caps, I haven't once said that Clem and Kenny are friends in season 1 so I don't need to provide evidence to that effect. And yet you haven't provided me with any evidence of this idea that they are forced to be friends. You've just dropped from the idea that the games constantly insists they are best pals to "or have some kind of bond good or bad" which is a whole different thing and much more rational (until you get all capsy).
They do have a bond - history. They do not have to be friends. They do not have to be best pals. The game certainly does not insist they are and you still haven't backed that up. You talk about the other characters being made out to be assholes and yet apparently miss how much of an asshole Kenny himself is made out to be. He's volatile and dangerous. You also seem to miss the multitude of options for Clem to vocalise this about him and say they are not friends. And yet these things aren't easily missed which makes me think maybe you don't want to see them.
The point is, the game forces you to be friends with Kenny or have some kind of bond good or bad, forces you to sympathize with him, and mak… moree everyone who opposes him assholes, and the relationship is based on something that was only apparent in Kenny fan's heads, not S1, THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE. So there you go, hope you understand(probably won't)
They certainly don't have to be friends, but the season keeps insisting that they are, why is it that Telltale keep building up that Kenny was meant to be Lee's successor? They knew each other is not a bond, not in the slightest, sure Clem can say you aren't his friend but the games keeps forcing you sympathize with him. why does Kenny get this sympathetic death, while Luke, Sarah, Nick are given terribly, stupid and unsatisfying deaths? Kenny beats up Arvo, Arvo turns out to be an asshole who shoots a little girl, Kenny opposes Mike and Bonnie, Mike and Bonnie end up being stupid traitors that take everything, Kenny opposes Jane, Jane ends up being manipulative and her death isn't even sympathetic as Kenny's is. Kenny's endings are more emotional than Jane's which leads me to the fact that half of this season was written entirely to make Kenny look like a hero, which is very stupid, Kenny was never built up to be Clem's protector or second father, they don't have any emotional attachment in S1, and suddenly Kenny acts like he knows Clem like a daughter or a friend, they were never friends in S1, and Kenny should have stayed dead, too bad Kenny fanatics ate this shit up so I might have to deal with inconsistent and messy writing once again, because a bunch of kids don't understand how writing relationships work.
No need for the caps, I haven't once said that Clem and Kenny are friends in season 1 so I don't need to provide evidence to that effect. An… mored yet you haven't provided me with any evidence of this idea that they are forced to be friends. You've just dropped from the idea that the games constantly insists they are best pals to "or have some kind of bond good or bad" which is a whole different thing and much more rational (until you get all capsy).
They do have a bond - history. They do not have to be friends. They do not have to be best pals. The game certainly does not insist they are and you still haven't backed that up. You talk about the other characters being made out to be assholes and yet apparently miss how much of an asshole Kenny himself is made out to be. He's volatile and dangerous. You also seem to miss the multitude of options for Clem to vocalise this about him and say they are not friends. And yet these things aren't easily m… [view original content]
You keep coming back to the idea that Kenny and Clem aren't friends in season 1. And I've said they don't have to be. So pretty much everything else is redundant.
Basically everything you've written just says this: I didn't like the way the story went.
And that's cool. I didn't like Luke dying, I think the ending is batshit crazy Kenny, Jane and all. But that you're interpreting your dislike for the story as a forced Kenny friendship (which you have yet to show exists) and then turning it into stuff about the writers loving Kenny (in spite of him obviously written as dangerous and giving us tons of opportunites to say so), Kenny fanatics not getting it (this sounds a touch unhinged but hey, maybe you're right) and then exaggerating a perceived bond as the game "insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals" just seems to have taken a very basic point and letting it get all twisted up and distorted in your head.
You didn't like the story. And that is absolutely perfectly valid. I'm not in any way going to tell you that you should like it.
They certainly don't have to be friends, but the season keeps insisting that they are, why is it that Telltale keep building up that Kenny w… moreas meant to be Lee's successor? They knew each other is not a bond, not in the slightest, sure Clem can say you aren't his friend but the games keeps forcing you sympathize with him. why does Kenny get this sympathetic death, while Luke, Sarah, Nick are given terribly, stupid and unsatisfying deaths? Kenny beats up Arvo, Arvo turns out to be an asshole who shoots a little girl, Kenny opposes Mike and Bonnie, Mike and Bonnie end up being stupid traitors that take everything, Kenny opposes Jane, Jane ends up being manipulative and her death isn't even sympathetic as Kenny's is. Kenny's endings are more emotional than Jane's which leads me to the fact that half of this season was written entirely to make Kenny look like a hero, which is very stupid, Kenny was never built up to be Clem's protector or second f… [view original content]
For my perspective, this story is incredibly messy, inconsistent, less interesting than the first, I can handle if a story doesn't go where I want it to go, but what Telltale gave me just wasn't investing, it was rushed, it's pandering to Kenny fans, the story is all over the place, the characters are wasted potential and one of them is completely pointless and adds nothing to the story, Character arcs are cut short and wasted to stupid, asinine deaths. The antagonists are just terribly written, the illusion of choice is non existent, Telltale did not give their all and just made this season either to pander to fans or cash in on the first season, and no matter what any hardcore Kenny fanatic says, I will never buy this relationship and I will continue to go against it, because it doesn't make sense, it's forced, shallow, and not very good, and Kenny fanatics have failed to give me any proper evidence that Kenny and Clem had a bond in S1, and that S2 isn't just Kenny suddenly acting like he knew Clem very well.
You keep coming back to the idea that Kenny and Clem aren't friends in season 1. And I've said they don't have to be. So pretty much everyth… moreing else is redundant.
Basically everything you've written just says this: I didn't like the way the story went.
And that's cool. I didn't like Luke dying, I think the ending is batshit crazy Kenny, Jane and all. But that you're interpreting your dislike for the story as a forced Kenny friendship (which you have yet to show exists) and then turning it into stuff about the writers loving Kenny (in spite of him obviously written as dangerous and giving us tons of opportunites to say so), Kenny fanatics not getting it (this sounds a touch unhinged but hey, maybe you're right) and then exaggerating a perceived bond as the game "insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals" just seems to have taken a very basic point and letting it get all twisted up and distorted in your head.
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Well, like I say, I'm hardly going to tell you you're wrong about the story. I didn't think it was up to the standard of the first one either and, yes, some parts were messy and the ending completely lost me. I enjoyed much more than you appear to but your experience is your own and that's totally cool.
But then you get into the forced relationship stuff and lack of evidence and I don't need to say again that the evidence is not needed. Similarly you have not managed to produce any evidence that this forced friendship even exists. And you know, you don't need to get the defenses up by mentioning Kenny fanatics as opposition in every post. It's not needed. You're setting the parameters of a disagreement so you can dismiss it out of hand but there's no need. Firstly with me you're not dealing with a Kenny fanatic (he was volatile and kinda racist too) but secondly you should be able to stand with your views without needing that.
You didn't like the story and that's a perfectly valid viewpoint. Hopefully they'll make something better suited next time especially now that Kenny is determinant. There's no need to get caught up in a loop on what really aren't the real issue. The issue is you didn't like it - a lot of others don't appear to either. That's just the way it goes.
For my perspective, this story is incredibly messy, inconsistent, less interesting than the first, I can handle if a story doesn't go where … moreI want it to go, but what Telltale gave me just wasn't investing, it was rushed, it's pandering to Kenny fans, the story is all over the place, the characters are wasted potential and one of them is completely pointless and adds nothing to the story, Character arcs are cut short and wasted to stupid, asinine deaths. The antagonists are just terribly written, the illusion of choice is non existent, Telltale did not give their all and just made this season either to pander to fans or cash in on the first season, and no matter what any hardcore Kenny fanatic says, I will never buy this relationship and I will continue to go against it, because it doesn't make sense, it's forced, shallow, and not very good, and Kenny fanatics have failed to give me any proper evidence that Kenny and Clem had a bond in S1, and that S2 isn't just Kenny suddenly acting like he knew Clem very well.
Yeah, but if Kenny wasn't (determinantly) Lee's friend, he should be - from Clementine's perspective - just a scary, violent and kinda crazy guy who happens to have a kind wife and a playful son.
Clemetine witnesses Kenny dropping the saltlick onto Larry's head NO MATTER WHAT. How the hell would an 8 year old girl not be scared of someone who did what Kenny did? She might understand the reasons why Kenny did it, but it was nonetheless a traumatizing experience for her.
She had zero reasons to actually be fond of Kenny if Lee wasn't his friend. She knew Kenny's family, not the man himself, and that's the whole point of this thread.
Wow, you guys need to remember that clementine is just a little girl, any somehow friendly familiar face WOULD have an impact on her, especially if it is [determinantly] Lee's friend.
Clearly it's pointless arguing with you if you can't understand the depth of their relationship from my HUGE explanation. Disaster brings people very close. It's why you often see PTSD victims from DIFFERENT sides of a war becoming best friends. It's simple psychology.
It's not believable in the slightest concerning there is no evidence of a relationship in S1. S2 is acting like Kenny knew Clem emotionally, when he really didn't.
Lilly showed more affection for Clem throughout S1 (giving her hair ties, making her and Duck's safety the main motivation to catch the supply theif) than Kenny ever did.
Even if the re-appearing character in EP2 was Lilly I think Clem would be glad. She'd also be a familiar face and a tether to memories of Lee. But Kenny was more than that... He showed affection for Clementine numerous times in the first season.
While it's true Kenny and Clem didn't have much of a relationship per se in season 1, I feel Clem's initial reaction to Kenny's return in season 2 was mostly brought about by her shock at seeing a familiar face she long assumed dead. How emotional Clem actually becomes in that scene is up to the player.
"Yes! Kenny and Clem were great pals! Evidence? I need evidence? No I don't! Prove to me they weren't great friends! HAHA see, I win now!"
There was no relationship. End of story.
Except after that clem just acts like hes her new Lee, defending him at all oppurtunities and the game just seems to assume you care about Kenny more than anyone else.
While it's true Kenny and Clem didn't have much of a relationship per se in season 1, I feel Clem's initial reaction to Kenny's return in se… moreason 2 was mostly brought about by her shock at seeing a familiar face she long assumed dead. How emotional Clem actually becomes in that scene is up to the player.
But you don't have to. That's the point. There are plenty of options in episode 2 where you're free to treat Kenny with as much distaste and contempt as you like.
Except after that clem just acts like hes her new Lee, defending him at all oppurtunities and the game just seems to assume you care about Kenny more than anyone else.
In episode 2 yeah it was done great, initial shock/happiness at friendly face and then it was what you wanted
From then on its just like your Lee was 100% pro Kenny and now clem loves him You can half agree with someone else about him becoming a threat but in the end it dosnt matter, in the next scene shes glaring at someone if they diss Kenny, then someone insists shes friends with him so go help him. I dont know, they managed in season 1 ep 3 onwards to make Kenny diverse even in canon scenes but its just not there this time around. The endings especially
But you don't have to. That's the point. There are plenty of options in episode 2 where you're free to treat Kenny with as much distaste and contempt as you like.
The fucking sham he was referring to was Lee acting like the father to Clem as he is not her real father. He was calling his actions a sham, not Clementine.
What the fuck does this show? Nothing. Duck was about to die and Kenny was consequently scared and pissed. He never demonstrates any viciousness towards Clem, and all he's doing here is insulting Lee by claiming he's not a real father.
The first season it was about Lee and Kenny's friendship/relationship to each other. I wish there had been more interaction between Clem and Kenny in S1 though but i dont think the writers had thought that far ahead. Plus Clem can still feel close to Kenny because of the bond she had with Duck
They lived with each other and the rest of the group for months in season 1, in some way they will have an emotional bond even if we do not see it during the game.
Nothing in Season 2 counts, I'm mainly referring back to Season 1, where Kenny didn't have any kind of emotional bond with Clementine and that's my big issue.
Lilly showed more affection for Clem throughout S1 (giving her hair ties, making her and Duck's safety the main motivation to catch the supply theif) than Kenny ever did.
No, there wasn't any real bond between Kenny or Clem in s1 because it didn't focus on their bond, just with Lee. They start off as just knowing eachother and surviving together throughout s1 so that s2 can actually start a friendship. Why was this brought back?
Yeah, I don't really get it either. Honestly, the fact that I didn't really feel that good a connection between the two at the end of Season 2 shows that it wasn't really that developed.
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In S2, yes, but in S1 , no, S2 is acting like Kenny and Clem have always been friends.
"Yes! Kenny and Clem were great pals! Evidence? I need evidence? No I don't! Prove to me they weren't great friends! HAHA see, I win now!"
There was no relationship. End of story.
Dude, that's one. You said "why does this season keep insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals". I'm looking for the "keep insisting" part and that takes more than one. You also said "best pals" and your single example so far doesn't require that.
As has been pointed out many times, Kenny is the person Clem knows the longest left in the entire planet. He is part of a defining part of her life, a link to Lee and Duck and she thought he was dead. Him turning up is a big deal. They don't have to be friends at all for that to work (and we do get to vary the reaction). They certainly don't have to be "best pals". That first meeting does not equal the game insisting that they are best pals. Not even close.
So other examples?
It doesn't act as if they were 'best pals'. Their relationship is believable and heartwarming because they've both withstood the same torment.
It's not believable in the slightest concerning there is no evidence of a relationship in S1. S2 is acting like Kenny knew Clem emotionally, when he really didn't.
Here's the thing, when you first meet Kenny at the lodge, the entire scene plays up that old friends are reuniting, which isn't the case, there's also quite a few segments where notable characters insist you talk to Kenny, because they think you're his friend, which isn't the case at all. The Kenny and Clem relationship is forced onto the player and it doesn't make sense, of course Kenny fanatics won't understand any of this because they are in love with Kenny.
Okay well the first scene is covered in my previous post. And the rest of what you describe is actually about the other characters. They don't know Clem long, they don't know Kenny at all but they know that the two of them know each other. So yeah, that's going to have those characters assume a relationship because there is one. Still doesn't mean they have to be friends, let alone best pals.
Not yet seeing anything here that backs up your idea that the game keeps insisting they're best pals. Seems like a gross exaggeration for what purpose? No idea, to be honest.
Cause the game wants you to form a emotional relation with him, actually Clem doesn't even have to get attached to Kenny, just to the player.
Actually no, this entire story treats it like Kenny and Clem were always friends and there's zero evidence of that, doesn't matter if you do or don't get attached to Kenny, the game still treats it like Kenny and Clem have a bond and the forces you sympathize with Kenny and makes everyone who opposes him assholes.
The point is, the game forces you to be friends with Kenny or have some kind of bond good or bad, forces you to sympathize with him, and make everyone who opposes him assholes, and the relationship is based on something that was only apparent in Kenny fan's heads, not S1, THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE. So there you go, hope you understand(probably won't)
The reason why they treat it that way is cause they know that YOU the player have got attached to Kenny (atleast most of them), of course they almost never spoke on S1 but Telltale wats you to feel like they were best friends.
Well then that leads to the discussion that maybe Clem shouldn't have been the protagonist, and Telltale probably shouldn't have completely disregarded her set personality. Of course Telltale wants the player to fell like Kenny and Clem were friends, because the new writers are huge fans of Kenny as well, so course they'll advertise that because they're in love with Kenny.
Maybe if Telltale wouldn't have brought Kenny back just to please the fans, or atleast don't make him foreshadow the rest of the group.
No need for the caps, I haven't once said that Clem and Kenny are friends in season 1 so I don't need to provide evidence to that effect. And yet you haven't provided me with any evidence of this idea that they are forced to be friends. You've just dropped from the idea that the games constantly insists they are best pals to "or have some kind of bond good or bad" which is a whole different thing and much more rational (until you get all capsy).
They do have a bond - history. They do not have to be friends. They do not have to be best pals. The game certainly does not insist they are and you still haven't backed that up. You talk about the other characters being made out to be assholes and yet apparently miss how much of an asshole Kenny himself is made out to be. He's volatile and dangerous. You also seem to miss the multitude of options for Clem to vocalise this about him and say they are not friends. And yet these things aren't easily missed which makes me think maybe you don't want to see them.
Kenny and Clem do not have to be friends.
They certainly don't have to be friends, but the season keeps insisting that they are, why is it that Telltale keep building up that Kenny was meant to be Lee's successor? They knew each other is not a bond, not in the slightest, sure Clem can say you aren't his friend but the games keeps forcing you sympathize with him. why does Kenny get this sympathetic death, while Luke, Sarah, Nick are given terribly, stupid and unsatisfying deaths? Kenny beats up Arvo, Arvo turns out to be an asshole who shoots a little girl, Kenny opposes Mike and Bonnie, Mike and Bonnie end up being stupid traitors that take everything, Kenny opposes Jane, Jane ends up being manipulative and her death isn't even sympathetic as Kenny's is. Kenny's endings are more emotional than Jane's which leads me to the fact that half of this season was written entirely to make Kenny look like a hero, which is very stupid, Kenny was never built up to be Clem's protector or second father, they don't have any emotional attachment in S1, and suddenly Kenny acts like he knows Clem like a daughter or a friend, they were never friends in S1, and Kenny should have stayed dead, too bad Kenny fanatics ate this shit up so I might have to deal with inconsistent and messy writing once again, because a bunch of kids don't understand how writing relationships work.
Kenny wasn't calling Clem a sham. He was referring to Lee's relationship with Clem.
You keep coming back to the idea that Kenny and Clem aren't friends in season 1. And I've said they don't have to be. So pretty much everything else is redundant.
Basically everything you've written just says this: I didn't like the way the story went.
And that's cool. I didn't like Luke dying, I think the ending is batshit crazy Kenny, Jane and all. But that you're interpreting your dislike for the story as a forced Kenny friendship (which you have yet to show exists) and then turning it into stuff about the writers loving Kenny (in spite of him obviously written as dangerous and giving us tons of opportunites to say so), Kenny fanatics not getting it (this sounds a touch unhinged but hey, maybe you're right) and then exaggerating a perceived bond as the game "insisting that Kenny and Clem have always been best pals" just seems to have taken a very basic point and letting it get all twisted up and distorted in your head.
You didn't like the story. And that is absolutely perfectly valid. I'm not in any way going to tell you that you should like it.
For my perspective, this story is incredibly messy, inconsistent, less interesting than the first, I can handle if a story doesn't go where I want it to go, but what Telltale gave me just wasn't investing, it was rushed, it's pandering to Kenny fans, the story is all over the place, the characters are wasted potential and one of them is completely pointless and adds nothing to the story, Character arcs are cut short and wasted to stupid, asinine deaths. The antagonists are just terribly written, the illusion of choice is non existent, Telltale did not give their all and just made this season either to pander to fans or cash in on the first season, and no matter what any hardcore Kenny fanatic says, I will never buy this relationship and I will continue to go against it, because it doesn't make sense, it's forced, shallow, and not very good, and Kenny fanatics have failed to give me any proper evidence that Kenny and Clem had a bond in S1, and that S2 isn't just Kenny suddenly acting like he knew Clem very well.
Well, like I say, I'm hardly going to tell you you're wrong about the story. I didn't think it was up to the standard of the first one either and, yes, some parts were messy and the ending completely lost me. I enjoyed much more than you appear to but your experience is your own and that's totally cool.
But then you get into the forced relationship stuff and lack of evidence and I don't need to say again that the evidence is not needed. Similarly you have not managed to produce any evidence that this forced friendship even exists. And you know, you don't need to get the defenses up by mentioning Kenny fanatics as opposition in every post. It's not needed. You're setting the parameters of a disagreement so you can dismiss it out of hand but there's no need. Firstly with me you're not dealing with a Kenny fanatic (he was volatile and kinda racist too) but secondly you should be able to stand with your views without needing that.
You didn't like the story and that's a perfectly valid viewpoint. Hopefully they'll make something better suited next time especially now that Kenny is determinant. There's no need to get caught up in a loop on what really aren't the real issue. The issue is you didn't like it - a lot of others don't appear to either. That's just the way it goes.
Yeah, but if Kenny wasn't (determinantly) Lee's friend, he should be - from Clementine's perspective - just a scary, violent and kinda crazy guy who happens to have a kind wife and a playful son.
Clemetine witnesses Kenny dropping the saltlick onto Larry's head NO MATTER WHAT. How the hell would an 8 year old girl not be scared of someone who did what Kenny did? She might understand the reasons why Kenny did it, but it was nonetheless a traumatizing experience for her.
She had zero reasons to actually be fond of Kenny if Lee wasn't his friend. She knew Kenny's family, not the man himself, and that's the whole point of this thread.
Clearly it's pointless arguing with you if you can't understand the depth of their relationship from my HUGE explanation. Disaster brings people very close. It's why you often see PTSD victims from DIFFERENT sides of a war becoming best friends. It's simple psychology.
Lilly showed more affection for Clem throughout S1 (giving her hair ties, making her and Duck's safety the main motivation to catch the supply theif) than Kenny ever did.
While it's true Kenny and Clem didn't have much of a relationship per se in season 1, I feel Clem's initial reaction to Kenny's return in season 2 was mostly brought about by her shock at seeing a familiar face she long assumed dead. How emotional Clem actually becomes in that scene is up to the player.
Except after that clem just acts like hes her new Lee, defending him at all oppurtunities and the game just seems to assume you care about Kenny more than anyone else.
But you don't have to. That's the point. There are plenty of options in episode 2 where you're free to treat Kenny with as much distaste and contempt as you like.
In episode 2 yeah it was done great, initial shock/happiness at friendly face and then it was what you wanted
From then on its just like your Lee was 100% pro Kenny and now clem loves him You can half agree with someone else about him becoming a threat but in the end it dosnt matter, in the next scene shes glaring at someone if they diss Kenny, then someone insists shes friends with him so go help him. I dont know, they managed in season 1 ep 3 onwards to make Kenny diverse even in canon scenes but its just not there this time around. The endings especially
The fucking sham he was referring to was Lee acting like the father to Clem as he is not her real father. He was calling his actions a sham, not Clementine.
Thats exactly what i said. "Sham your running back there", not "Sham you're looking after" or whatever
The first season it was about Lee and Kenny's friendship/relationship to each other. I wish there had been more interaction between Clem and Kenny in S1 though but i dont think the writers had thought that far ahead. Plus Clem can still feel close to Kenny because of the bond she had with Duck
Why was this thread resurrected again?
They lived with each other and the rest of the group for months in season 1, in some way they will have an emotional bond even if we do not see it during the game.
Necro Bummmmppppppppp
But it could also be a possibility that she used that example because she knew Lee cared about Clem and wanted to convince him to help her.
Again?
Dude, he was emotionally unstable back then. His son was gonna die and he says that after you're an asshole to him. I didn't just come out of nowhere.
No, there wasn't any real bond between Kenny or Clem in s1 because it didn't focus on their bond, just with Lee. They start off as just knowing eachother and surviving together throughout s1 so that s2 can actually start a friendship. Why was this brought back?
Yeah, I don't really get it either. Honestly, the fact that I didn't really feel that good a connection between the two at the end of Season 2 shows that it wasn't really that developed.
Holy shit, I didn't even think about that!
Who the fuck bumped this thread?
Oh, so it was! Guess that explains why there are so many posts from @Firewallcano.