She was gut shot, there was no way she was going to survive that without medical treatment.
That´s the thing. Is possible they had medical supplies. But yes, withouth it she was as good as dead. In any case, that still doesn´t make killing Jean nor Walt rigth.
The old man was shot in his chest.
He was shot in the chest by Nate, when he kills him. Before that, Jean is the only one with a bullet wound.
Most of the villains on this list aren't exactly "bad guys." They try to do their best but it looks bad to us, not to them. So in terms of the best villain as in the most interesting, most original I would say the stranger. It's not often you get such a want-to-do-good-bad guy. The best villain in terms of just plan bad I would definitely give that one to the Save Lots bandits. After what they did to Jolene and her daughter....
She was gut shot, there was no way she was going to survive that without medical treatment.
That´s the thing. Is possible they had m… moreedical supplies. But yes, withouth it she was as good as dead. In any case, that still doesn´t make killing Jean nor Walt rigth.
The old man was shot in his chest.
He was shot in the chest by Nate, when he kills him. Before that, Jean is the only one with a bullet wound.
I hate Arvo more than every other villains, but for the best villains I will say Carver because I hated him at the first time we meet him at the cabin to the end.
I informally protest your protest on the grounds that Arvo was merely taking revenge on the group for what Jane did to him - rob and threaten to murder him
Arvo is an antagonist because his actions led to conflict/problems for Clementine's (The protagonist) group.
But Arvo (and the rest of the Russians) were plot devices, basically. The Stranger, Carver, the St Johns, etc. actually had development and were made unique (Not many seem to agree as far as Carver goes but I thought he was a fine villain) and Arvo was wasted potential. He may have done the worst sin of all in the eyes of the player (Shooting Clementine) but he was still a awful excuse for a character and antagonist because the writers didn't really do anything with him. I wish they had though, but I'll just have to add him to the long list of characters that could have been developed but were thrown in the trash to advance the plot.
There's still so many things we don't know about him though and I'm still interested but most anyone else is interested in for him now is a slow and painful death because he shot Clem.
Regardless, Nate killing them was wrong.
When the old man was saying Nate had come back to finish them off, given how Nate had behaved towards Russel before, I was highly suspicious.
400 days basically implies that Nate, was basically a murauder.
And that he had a partner in crime.
That it was him and his criminal compatriot, that Wyatt and his buddy stumbled upon, and that Wyatt's friend shot Nate's companion, thus causing Nate to give chase.
Remember during the chase, Wyatt shoots out one of the pickup's headlights.
And that when Nate pulls up on Russel, one of his headlights is busted.
And if Wyatt stays in the car, the man who tries to drag Wyatt out is dressed exactly like Nate.
It was Nate, the Wyatt's friend spoke of when he said: "That guy is batshit crazy!"
I know. But you see Nate kill them if you stay with him, so, really, Nate surely killed them too even if you don´t stick around. They don´t appear as Roman´s watchdogs because Nate shot them in the head, instead of the chest.
The Stranger, and the St. Johns. Carver is just there to be hated and labeled as a villain, that's not a good villain in my eyes in this kind of story, it's pretty damn lazy and generic as there's really no attempt to humanize him unlike the St. Johns or the Stranger. The Russians are stupid.
I know, it kinda pissed me off that I didn't get to hear any of his story, I acted nice towards him because I wanted to hear his story but what I do doesn't matter he just shoots me which kinda sucks, I really wish that he at least had different reactions to when he shoots you depending on how you treated him but nope, what bothered me more is that before it kinda seemed like he was going to have an arc but nope he just stays the same way without any changes, I also really hated that Kenny was right because I really wanted to prove him wrong about him but nope Kenny is right and completely justified in wanting to kill him which really annoyed me.
Arvo is an antagonist because his actions led to conflict/problems for Clementine's (The protagonist) group.
But Arvo (and the rest of th… moree Russians) were plot devices, basically. The Stranger, Carver, the St Johns, etc. actually had development and were made unique (Not many seem to agree as far as Carver goes but I thought he was a fine villain) and Arvo was wasted potential. He may have done the worst sin of all in the eyes of the player (Shooting Clementine) but he was still a awful excuse for a character and antagonist because the writers didn't really do anything with him. I wish they had though, but I'll just have to add him to the long list of characters that could have been developed but were thrown in the trash to advance the plot.
There's still so many things we don't know about him though and I'm still interested but most anyone else is interested in for him now is a slow and painful death because he shot Clem.
I understand where you're coming from. But didn't a member of the group (Jane) rob and threaten to murder Arvo? What if the situation were reversed? Would not the group take revenge against the Russians?
As for Clem, Arvo thought that she had killed his sister to whom he was very close. He did not realize that she had turned and that's why he shot her in the shoulder when she called out to Kenny and Jane.
Don't know why you couldn't consider Arvo a villain. He did get a bunch of his friends with him whom later tried to kill Clem's group and later on he then shot her in the shoulder. That's all antagonist material.
It was so weird. They try to get people to sympathize with Arvo by making him so pathetic and his existence amounted to making Kenny look like a psycho...but as soon as he shoots Clementine they throw that angle away because it makes Kenny right 'all along'? Even though it was highly implied that Kenny's abuse made Arvo and Bonnie/Mike so paranoid and afraid in the first place. So there was really no point to Arvo in the fifth episode.
He might as well have just died in the gunfight with the rest of his group for what little thought the writers put into him.
I know, it kinda pissed me off that I didn't get to hear any of his story, I acted nice towards him because I wanted to hear his story but w… morehat I do doesn't matter he just shoots me which kinda sucks, I really wish that he at least had different reactions to when he shoots you depending on how you treated him but nope, what bothered me more is that before it kinda seemed like he was going to have an arc but nope he just stays the same way without any changes, I also really hated that Kenny was right because I really wanted to prove him wrong about him but nope Kenny is right and completely justified in wanting to kill him which really annoyed me.
if Eddie didn't shoot his friend right in the head, maybe Nate wouldn't of went crazy getting revenge on the old people for trying to kill him. You could tell he was pissed off, when he says.
Regardless, Nate killing them was wrong.
When the old man was saying Nate had come back to finish them off, given how Nate had behaved towa… morerds Russel before, I was highly suspicious.
400 days basically implies that Nate, was basically a murauder.
And that he had a partner in crime.
That it was him and his criminal compatriot, that Wyatt and his buddy stumbled upon, and that Wyatt's friend shot Nate's companion, thus causing Nate to give chase.
Remember during the chase, Wyatt shoots out one of the pickup's headlights.
And that when Nate pulls up on Russel, one of his headlights is busted.
And if Wyatt stays in the car, the man who tries to drag Wyatt out is dressed exactly like Nate.
It was Nate, the Wyatt's friend spoke of when he said: "That guy is batshit crazy!"
Clementine can do some terrible things determinately
That makes her a villain?
depending on who you side with (K/J), you are going to think the other one is a villain.
I looked away and let Kenny kill Jane, but still, I honestly don´t think Jane is a villain. I think she was just screwed up in the head, and rather misguided, but a villain? No.
Clementine can do some terrible things determinately
That makes her a villain?
depending on who you side with (K/J), you are g… moreoing to think the other one is a villain.
I looked away and let Kenny kill Jane, but still, I honestly don´t think Jane is a villain. I think she was just screwed up in the head, and rather misguided, but a villain? No.
However, I get what you are saying.
You talk about biased and state on occasion that you're objective and yet your Kenny obsession makes you far from it. When you say he's a threat to your Clementine... you know he's not real, right? And no, that's not actually an antagonist.
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That´s the thing. Is possible they had medical supplies. But yes, withouth it she was as good as dead. In any case, that still doesn´t make killing Jean nor Walt rigth.
He was shot in the chest by Nate, when he kills him. Before that, Jean is the only one with a bullet wound.
Most of the villains on this list aren't exactly "bad guys." They try to do their best but it looks bad to us, not to them. So in terms of the best villain as in the most interesting, most original I would say the stranger. It's not often you get such a want-to-do-good-bad guy. The best villain in terms of just plan bad I would definitely give that one to the Save Lots bandits. After what they did to Jolene and her daughter....
shudder
I don't see why Kenny/ Jane isn't on the list, he / it is more of a "villain" than Nate.
You are kidding, rigth?
I hate Arvo more than every other villains, but for the best villains I will say Carver because I hated him at the first time we meet him at the cabin to the end.
I informally protest your protest on the grounds that Arvo was merely taking revenge on the group for what Jane did to him - rob and threaten to murder him
Carver was a well-written villain. He successfully made me want to hate him, and made the other characters believably fear him.
Arvo is an antagonist because his actions led to conflict/problems for Clementine's (The protagonist) group.
But Arvo (and the rest of the Russians) were plot devices, basically. The Stranger, Carver, the St Johns, etc. actually had development and were made unique (Not many seem to agree as far as Carver goes but I thought he was a fine villain) and Arvo was wasted potential. He may have done the worst sin of all in the eyes of the player (Shooting Clementine) but he was still a awful excuse for a character and antagonist because the writers didn't really do anything with him. I wish they had though, but I'll just have to add him to the long list of characters that could have been developed but were thrown in the trash to advance the plot.
There's still so many things we don't know about him though and I'm still interested but most anyone else is interested in for him now is a slow and painful death because he shot Clem.
Regardless, Nate killing them was wrong.
When the old man was saying Nate had come back to finish them off, given how Nate had behaved towards Russel before, I was highly suspicious.
400 days basically implies that Nate, was basically a murauder.
And that he had a partner in crime.
That it was him and his criminal compatriot, that Wyatt and his buddy stumbled upon, and that Wyatt's friend shot Nate's companion, thus causing Nate to give chase.
Remember during the chase, Wyatt shoots out one of the pickup's headlights.
And that when Nate pulls up on Russel, one of his headlights is busted.
And if Wyatt stays in the car, the man who tries to drag Wyatt out is dressed exactly like Nate.
It was Nate, the Wyatt's friend spoke of when he said: "That guy is batshit crazy!"
The Stranger, and the St. Johns. Carver is just there to be hated and labeled as a villain, that's not a good villain in my eyes in this kind of story, it's pretty damn lazy and generic as there's really no attempt to humanize him unlike the St. Johns or the Stranger. The Russians are stupid.
I know, it kinda pissed me off that I didn't get to hear any of his story, I acted nice towards him because I wanted to hear his story but what I do doesn't matter he just shoots me which kinda sucks, I really wish that he at least had different reactions to when he shoots you depending on how you treated him but nope, what bothered me more is that before it kinda seemed like he was going to have an arc but nope he just stays the same way without any changes, I also really hated that Kenny was right because I really wanted to prove him wrong about him but nope Kenny is right and completely justified in wanting to kill him which really annoyed me.
I understand where you're coming from. But didn't a member of the group (Jane) rob and threaten to murder Arvo? What if the situation were reversed? Would not the group take revenge against the Russians?
As for Clem, Arvo thought that she had killed his sister to whom he was very close. He did not realize that she had turned and that's why he shot her in the shoulder when she called out to Kenny and Jane.
Hmm didn't he murder the elderly couple and rob them?
It was so weird. They try to get people to sympathize with Arvo by making him so pathetic and his existence amounted to making Kenny look like a psycho...but as soon as he shoots Clementine they throw that angle away because it makes Kenny right 'all along'? Even though it was highly implied that Kenny's abuse made Arvo and Bonnie/Mike so paranoid and afraid in the first place. So there was really no point to Arvo in the fifth episode.
He might as well have just died in the gunfight with the rest of his group for what little thought the writers put into him.
No,
He defeated them in battle, then looted the area for loot and treasure.
Not at all,
I think Kenny Jane could be considered Villains. Hell depending on your POV Clementine could be a Villain.
if Eddie didn't shoot his friend right in the head, maybe Nate wouldn't of went crazy getting revenge on the old people for trying to kill him. You could tell he was pissed off, when he says.
"That fucker shot at us."
I don´t see how.
With Clementine or Jane/Kenny?
Both.
Clementine can do some terrible things determinately, depending on who you side with (K/J), you are going to think the other one is a villain.
That makes her a villain?
I looked away and let Kenny kill Jane, but still, I honestly don´t think Jane is a villain. I think she was just screwed up in the head, and rather misguided, but a villain? No.
However, I get what you are saying.
Arvo thought she was, it is all about perspective.
Yes, but what matters is the perspective of the story.
Bonnie is determinant as well.
Evil ≠ sad & angry
She can die before she is sad or angry.
I thought you meant by "evil".
I meant that you included Bonnie as a potential villain, but not Clem because her evil is determinant. But Bonnie's is as well.
He's not a threat to your Clem. He's dead. Case closed.