Ya'll know that just because someone different writes an episode doesn't mean they have creative control right? All they're doing is writing the beats they were told to. You can't blame one writer for Sarah's death or ruining the story. They have it set in stone long before individual episodes are delegated to writers.
Well, that point doesn't work because it just makes Clementine alot more uninteresting than she used to be, where's that personality? Where's the genuine emotion in her character? Oh, let's just turn a interesting character into another boring, typical generic survivor badass girl, you'd think Telltale would at least try to do something interesting.
Heart means the crux of the theme, not that they had to have a relationship. The "heart of the issue" has nothing to do with emotions. I sai… mored Kenny and Clem are the heart of the theme and I mean that. The concept that good people lose everything and have to do what might be considered evil to outside views appears nowhere as strongly as it does to Kenny and Clem.
Clem becoming generic badass surivivor girl is the point. You're supposed to hate that she turned out this way. It's supposed to rub you wrong. You want to see Clem and Lee eating ice cream and talking about grades, but that's not this world. It's a world where you watch everything fall apart and fight to hold the last pieces together.
"Oh hey look! The writers have been spending time developing these characters! I bet they will have plot armor until their plot arches are finished. NO? THEY DIED FIRST! BAD WRITING! DOSE GUYS DESERVED PLOT ARMOR!"
Yup, I expect Rebecca to calm down and apologize (she did), and Carlos to help the group to find Luke, Alvin, Nick and Pete, even if that me… moreans leaving his daughter with the person he doesn't trust. Only thing I sugarcoat is my morning coffee.
What exactly Clem's personality in S1 we're talking about? Sweet little girl? Then yes, it's gone.
I'm with you on the hope that they don't just go straightforward and repeat all the story beats we've come to expect from the franchise. Maybe if season 3 had some nice pockets of security so Clem could rise back to the top (we see it a few times in safe zones), the character could recover. I don't want to see her stay restrained and cold all the time, I think that's a disservice to a great character and a great actress.
So yeah, a little variety and bucking of the staples wouldn't kill the premise.
Well, that point doesn't work because it just makes Clementine alot more uninteresting than she used to be, where's that personality? Where'… mores the genuine emotion in her character? Oh, let's just turn a interesting character into another boring, typical generic survivor badass girl, you'd think Telltale would at least try to do something interesting.
I won't deny that season one had flaws, but I'm still able to hold it in higher regard for plenty of reasons.
To be frank, both seasons were heavy in the illusion of choice, but I rarely felt that the first season undermined its own themes to same degree that season 2 did because of it. The characters were fully realized, pacing wasn't an afterthought, and I felt genuine impact from the way that I was interacting with people and the world around me.
I still think that Season 2 initially had plenty of great ideas, but I don't think they were given the time for development that they really deserved. So, I critique what I thought worked, and what I thought didn't work.
No, it's bad writing to arbitrarily fulfill everything or to fulfill nothing. If everything gets wrapped up in a sterile little bow every time, that's not reality. That's marking off a checklist. I'd rather there be exceptions to the rule that every character deserves a payoff and every arc resolves to a satisfying close. Especially here, where harmony really goes against the tone of the universe. Sometimes people don't get to say that one thing they should have, or get to the point they want to. Sometimes...sometimes they get their head crushed under a baseball bat and life means nothing.
It's because people get themselves all excited on the forums and discuss what they think what MIGHT happen, and complain when it doesn't.
They're hyping themselves up over nothing and blaming Telltale for not giving them it.
What they ended up doing was a huge slap in the face to that's character's built up development. If plot armor means interesting potential with certain character arcs, then maybe I can accept that.
Except they "did" do something with it. It's just not what you "wanted" them to do.
They trying to establish that people that normally would have "plot armor" do NOT have "plot armor."
If that character didn't amount to much and didn't have build up for a character arc then I would accept that, but this is not reality, this is about characters, a fictional story with character arcs, if you're going to build up a character arc but do nothing with that character, then there's a problem, don't care if it's realistic, I just want a good story not a cheap and lazy one that kills off characters just to get them out of the way instead of actually developing them or giving them something to do.
No, it's bad writing to arbitrarily fulfill everything or to fulfill nothing. If everything gets wrapped up in a sterile little bow every ti… moreme, that's not reality. That's marking off a checklist. I'd rather there be exceptions to the rule that every character deserves a payoff and every arc resolves to a satisfying close. Especially here, where harmony really goes against the tone of the universe. Sometimes people don't get to say that one thing they should have, or get to the point they want to. Sometimes...sometimes they get their head crushed under a baseball bat and life means nothing.
It's because people get themselves all excited on the forums and discuss what they think what MIGHT happen, and complain when it doesn't.
They're hyping themselves up over nothing and blaming Telltale for not giving them it.
I don't think anyone can change people's opinions about Season 2 but your opinion about Season 2 is the same as mine. I love Season 2 even though I love Season 1 a little bit more. Yeah it had flaws but I really enjoy and love Clementine's story.
Got it! So, you think the story is bad unless every person that dies is either unimportant to the main story or doesn't have any "loose ends."
I respect that this is what you want, but understand that "I" and many others love this series for "not" being like that.
TWD and Game of Thrones are both widely loved for remind the audience that "nobody" is immune to death, and the universe doesn't give a damn how important you think you are, or how important anybody else thinks you are. People just die sometimes. I'm very happy to see a series embracing that.
In other stories I never really worry about the characters because I've become able to predict with almost absolute certainty when characters are immune to death and when they aren't. I cannot guess with TWD and the Song of Fire and Ice series and I love that.
What they ended up doing was a huge slap in the face to that's character's built up development. If plot armor means interesting potential with certain character arcs, then maybe I can accept that.
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Ya'll know that just because someone different writes an episode doesn't mean they have creative control right? All they're doing is writing the beats they were told to. You can't blame one writer for Sarah's death or ruining the story. They have it set in stone long before individual episodes are delegated to writers.
Well, that point doesn't work because it just makes Clementine alot more uninteresting than she used to be, where's that personality? Where's the genuine emotion in her character? Oh, let's just turn a interesting character into another boring, typical generic survivor badass girl, you'd think Telltale would at least try to do something interesting.
Token moments, 88% she's boringly cold and doesn't have much personality or emotion.
Yeah, it's bad writing when you build something up and don't do anything with it.
Yeah, it's gone, but it's not interesting. yeah you must drink alot of coffee considering how much you sugarcoat this season.
I'm with you on the hope that they don't just go straightforward and repeat all the story beats we've come to expect from the franchise. Maybe if season 3 had some nice pockets of security so Clem could rise back to the top (we see it a few times in safe zones), the character could recover. I don't want to see her stay restrained and cold all the time, I think that's a disservice to a great character and a great actress.
So yeah, a little variety and bucking of the staples wouldn't kill the premise.
Except they "did" do something with it. It's just not what you "wanted" them to do.
They trying to establish that people that normally would have "plot armor" do NOT have "plot armor."
It's because people get themselves all excited on the forums and discuss what they think what MIGHT happen, and complain when it doesn't.
They're hyping themselves up over nothing and blaming Telltale for not giving them it.
I won't deny that season one had flaws, but I'm still able to hold it in higher regard for plenty of reasons.
To be frank, both seasons were heavy in the illusion of choice, but I rarely felt that the first season undermined its own themes to same degree that season 2 did because of it. The characters were fully realized, pacing wasn't an afterthought, and I felt genuine impact from the way that I was interacting with people and the world around me.
I still think that Season 2 initially had plenty of great ideas, but I don't think they were given the time for development that they really deserved. So, I critique what I thought worked, and what I thought didn't work.
No, it's bad writing to arbitrarily fulfill everything or to fulfill nothing. If everything gets wrapped up in a sterile little bow every time, that's not reality. That's marking off a checklist. I'd rather there be exceptions to the rule that every character deserves a payoff and every arc resolves to a satisfying close. Especially here, where harmony really goes against the tone of the universe. Sometimes people don't get to say that one thing they should have, or get to the point they want to. Sometimes...sometimes they get their head crushed under a baseball bat and life means nothing.
That's not what I thought you were going to say. You're supposed to apologize and agree with everyone. I want my money back!
I'm not sugarcoating, I'm just not overly criticizing.
What they ended up doing was a huge slap in the face to that's character's built up development. If plot armor means interesting potential with certain character arcs, then maybe I can accept that.
If that character didn't amount to much and didn't have build up for a character arc then I would accept that, but this is not reality, this is about characters, a fictional story with character arcs, if you're going to build up a character arc but do nothing with that character, then there's a problem, don't care if it's realistic, I just want a good story not a cheap and lazy one that kills off characters just to get them out of the way instead of actually developing them or giving them something to do.
Oh, so we should just totally ignore the amount of messy writing in this season? Apologists.
I don't think anyone can change people's opinions about Season 2 but your opinion about Season 2 is the same as mine. I love Season 2 even though I love Season 1 a little bit more. Yeah it had flaws but I really enjoy and love Clementine's story.
Got it! So, you think the story is bad unless every person that dies is either unimportant to the main story or doesn't have any "loose ends."
I respect that this is what you want, but understand that "I" and many others love this series for "not" being like that.
TWD and Game of Thrones are both widely loved for remind the audience that "nobody" is immune to death, and the universe doesn't give a damn how important you think you are, or how important anybody else thinks you are. People just die sometimes. I'm very happy to see a series embracing that.
In other stories I never really worry about the characters because I've become able to predict with almost absolute certainty when characters are immune to death and when they aren't. I cannot guess with TWD and the Song of Fire and Ice series and I love that.
Or, you should stop obsessively looking for flaws and enjoy the game for what it is. Nit pickers.
Or accept that it happened and move on. Dwellers.
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