Why TTG wanted to get rid of Kenny?
In all decisions which affect Kenny, how to kill or abandon it, as he is the right choice. The question is why they wanted to get rid of it? What do you plan to TTG in the future?
Personally, what I was most upset, I admire Kenny since Lee met him until now, not as you know it took.
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Telltale doesn't "want" to get rid of him,
It's upon the player.
I don't know. It would seem that force you to throw in history.
Well, personally/ In my opinion,
Kenny's story should end in Season 3, I doubt he'll get more screen time in S3 because of how much he had in S2.
Well, the choices were a bit skewed.
There was no [Shoot Jane] option.
The option to not pick up the gun (by letting the timer run out) was not obvious (to me, at least).
And, once you pick up the gun, the options are only [Shoot Kenny] and [Look away]. There is no [Fire gun into the air] option to break up the fight. The [Shoot Kenny] option could have been replaced by points on his body, so you could tell if it was going to kill him or simply make him drop the gun. There was no way of knowing if that choice was meant to kill him.
There were a few things cut out from Episode 5,
Like:
-Kenny shoving Jane's face in broken glass
-Jane getting the upperhand, so you'll shoot her instead of Kenny/ Kenny will still stab her with the knife
That's cool to know:) How did you find this out?
I don't mind Kenny being the default winner of the fight, though.
What I'd have liked is for Clementine to be able to explicitly choose either one as the winner of the fight, by shooting the other with the gun.
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There isn't a "right" choice. Just because you think it's right doesn't mean it is. It's just a shallow means to justify your decision when you claim your choice is right.
If they wanted to get rid of Kenny, they would have killed him off far earlier in the Season. Instead he survives all the way to end and beyond (determinately. He survives beyond every main character introduced in Ep. 1 besides Clementine. Telltale was in love with Kenny and they couldn't fathom why so many chose to shoot him in the end.
I think for a lot of people it was hard to as you say get rid of Kenny. They did try to make Kenny do things that would make Kenny fans think about shooting Kenny at the end so it would be a hard choice. The fact that we hardly knew Jane would make you choose Kenny if he wasn't such a raging a-hole.
Why would you want to shoot Jane when Kenny is already trying to murder her?
There also should have been option to leave Kenny behind long time ago, or atleast when he went outside the car and want to look for diesel. You could agree that Kenny is too dangerous to be around and say to him that Wellington doesnt exist, but he forces you to go there as he implied in the conversation. At that moment, Clementine refuses to leave madman behind who is forcing you to go north, to a place which you dont believe exists...
And yeah, this is not the only moment where Clementine turns into a retard for sake of their hand fed story.
How did he get that scene to work? Did he find the animations & used them or something? If he can, I would like the whole scene
They didn't want to get rid of kenny.The man had 4 episodes based on his developement.The fact that he had the upper hand during the fight was done on purpose so it'd be easier to kill kenny.Although im a huge kenny man,I thought about shooting him bcz telltale showed jane as the victim during the choice.
There is no right choice.
It´s a choice, also. You get rid of him if you want.
The animations are in the files,
I'm trying to get it together, I'll upload a video of the scene if I'm done.
I think Telltale loved Kenny. I mean come on he's the main focus of the last 4 episodes. Telltale loves Kenny a bit too much.
Every character is going to die sooner or later, no one complains that TTG wants us to "get rid" of other characters. You have a choice to keep him or not, if you like him and let him kill Jane then you get to spend some more time with him till his inevitable death.
Wow I really want to see what that would all look like now
I hope Telltale makes choices matter and who we were with in the end will stay and not be killed off.
Okay, if it is ever done, post it here please
How can we look at the files though? I've seen some where people will find unused lines in them and stuff but I don't even know where I can find them. (I feel like such an idiot for asking this but I have no idea how to do it...)
That's because Clementine cares about Kenny and knows that Jane was planning to goad him to his death, knowing that she had a big knife and that he was unarmed. Kenny may still be able to win that fight, but Clementine wouldn't want to leave that to chance.
I don't think Clementine was a retard. I think she was a wonderful, caring character with good morals. I thought Jane was a retard for starting a fight in which she would lose.
I found Jane_Get_Shot sound file at ep5 files..Megami was right
Uhm no, Clementine didnt know this. She didnt even know what happened to the baby.
In my playthrough, i agreed that Kenny is becoming Carver, going to north was bad idea and she doesnt want to go there. There was absolutely no reason for my Clementine to not leave Kenny behind, but she still refused to leave and basically sentenced herself to death for the sake hand fed story.
They apparently wanted more players to shoot Kenny though, from what I heard. They purposely had him beat on Arvo to show how unhinged he became. (And then they take the effect away by making everyone go 'Arvo deserved it all along' by having him shoot Clem for stupid reasons, and somehow this proves Kenny as right about Arvo, or whatever.) They added the 'I ought to slap you' line to piss people off because if another character even looks at Clem wrong the fandom goes up in flames, they wanted to make more people choose Jane because they believed at first everybody would just go with Kenny.
This is what I've heard from a lot of people, apparently. I don't know how much this is true though.
Fair enough. There was a "What did you do?!" dialogue option, however - indicating that Clementine could have thought that Jane deliberately got the baby killed. Moreover, my Clementine cared about Kenny and should not have had to leave the outcome of the fight to chance.
I particularly didn't like that even after the fight (assuming that Clem shot Kenny to save Jane from the fight that she planned), she didn't have a [Shoot Jane] option when she found out that the baby was left in a car, and that Jane had manipulated both Kenny and her into getting Kenny killed.
Even if your Clementine like Kenny, i doubt she would try to kill Jane, who was simply defending herself from Kenny.
I dont really see Clem as vengeful maniac like Kenny, so it would make no sense that she would do that after the fight. Also, Jane was being attacked because of Kenny being what he is, the lie about that baby being dead is irrelevant. What really mattered was how Kenny reacted to the situation.
My Clementine did want to shoot Jane to protect Kenny after the fight that Jane planned started.
Clementine's not a maniac. She's a rational person who wanted to avenge herself/her uncle. Jane was a maniac to intentionally create a fight to the death with someone that she couldn't win.
We dont get complete control of Clementine as a character, so no, your clementine didnt want to kill Jane, you wanted to kill Jane. From Clementine's point of view, AJ died while Jane had him and Kenny wanted to murder her for this and Jane was protecting herself. Why would you kill someone who is defending herself from madman?
And thats whats rational people do? Avenge? And the writers made Clementine to not be that rational person, which is rather annoying. Kenny tried to murder someone without knowing what happened and Clementine joining in would just make her has crazy and irrational as Kenny.
Realistically, after slashing Kenny with a knife and gouging his eye, kenny shouldnt have been able to win, but the writers are idiots so what can you do? Jane even runs at Clementine after the fight is over, even though Kenny just stabbed her leg. Episode 5 was so full of shit that i dont feel like talking about it anymore.
It wouldnt have been fight to the death, if Kenny wasnt unstable maniac.
The mad person is Jane to start a fight to the death in which she couldn't win. And yes, my Clementine did want to shoot Jane to protect Kenny, whom she loved as an adoptive uncle. That relationship was clear from the choices that were available that I picked.
I don't agree that it was unrealistic for Jane to lose the fight. I think her planning that fight indicates the reckless character that she has consistently shown herself to be. She was reckless in leaving the group and changing her mind soon after. She was reckless in having sex with Luke when they were supposed to be keeping a lookout. She was reckless in attempting to rob and threatening to murder Arvo, which led him to bring his Russian friends to kill the group in revenge. She was reckless in leaving the baby alone in the car with walkers about. Her character's pattern of recklessness is very clear.
P:S. discussion is welcome, but please refrain from calling people (as opposed to fictional characters) idiots. Thanks!
Same could be said for any character who has died, what makes Kenny special?
So if someone is defending herself from your crazy uncle, would you actually help him to murder her? Thats pretty fucked up imo. Clementine however isnt like that.
Nothing reckless about wanting to be on your own.
Mistakes happen, but it indeed was stupid. Luke was the one who was supposed to patrol anyway, blame him for taking the offer.
The group needed the medicine and leaving Arvo alive was reckless.
Russians, who robbed people. Arvo either blames you for robbing him, or tries to rob you without reason. And you should read the russian dialogues. They had no intentions of killing them and after the situation got too dangerous, Arvo and Natasha wanted to back off.
And what about Kenny? Shot Johnny which caused Carver to shoot Walter, wanted to shoot again which would lead to death of Alvin, wanted to rambo his way out of the truck, forced Clementine to take the radio, shot Rebecca walker and caused firefight to start, behaved like dictator and expected Bonnie and Mike to do nothing, wanted to go north. And thats just from season 2. There plenty of more shit from Kenny in season 1.
If a reckless person like Jane plans to get Clementine's uncle killed, Clementine would most certainly protect her uncle and not leave the outcome to chance, especially since she sees that her uncle is unarmed and the mad person has a large knife.
She impulsively left and then returned soon after. She's too reckless to think things through properly before acting.
I agree with you here. Jane was reckless and stupid, as usual.
That action could have gotten every single person in the group killed. Again, it's a case of Jane being reckless and stupid.
And don't forget the biggest act of recklessness and stupidity in the game:
****drum roll****
She left the baby alone in the car with walkers about.
Finally, it's her recklessness and stupidity in planning a fight that she can't win that gets her the Darwin award at the end.
She didnt know what happened with Jane and baby, just like Kenny didnt know, but he still tried to murder her. Why would you help him with that?
Uhm no, she didnt want to get too attached to Clementine so she wouldnt feel like shit after Clementine dies. Nothing reckless about that.
Thats just pushing it. She was fine on her own, starting to care about Clementine made her do few stupid mistakes. She could have just left them to die in the herd and survive on her own, but she stayed to help Rebecca and Clementine.
Just as reckless decision as Kenny stealing form Stranger. Thatlead to deaths of Lee, the Stranger, his wife and daughter, but it was for the good of the group.
Dont care about the baby, so that doesnt really matter to me. Walkers didnt even react to Clementine shooting next to them, so walkers werent a threat to AJ.
Funny how you talk about Darwin award, when Kenny was the most suicidal one in the group with his plan to go find Wellington, a place even he isnt sure exists. Jane risked her life to get Clementine away from that madman, sure it was reckless, but it was either that or leave Clementine to die with Kenny.
Wat?
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Sorry. Im just annoyed because of all the little and big mistakes they made.
Clementine and Kenny did not guess that Jane had hidden the baby, but they thought something worse: that Jane had gotten the baby killed. Before the fight Clementine asks Jane "What did you do?!", and after the fight she tells Kenny "I thought that Jane may have killed him". That alone was more than enough reason to shoot the reckless and stupid Jane at that point, even without the fact that she did it to try to get Clem's uncle killed.
You and Jane may not have cared about the baby, but Clementine did. It's not even determinant.
They didn't make mistakes , you just don't want it like that but that doesn't make them wrong....
Half this page is you defending jane again.... but its not true eh ?
Jane did what was right in her mind but that doesn't make it right.
If she had to make an effort for someone she'd rather leave them behind or kill them
We've all seen it, just like you defending jane at all causes but kenny is always wrong and thats when the arguments start
I respect jane sure, but i also respect kenny and if someone is very one sided i'll tell them and you know that
In season one my Lee thought taking Clem was a bad idea. There was absolutely no reason to my Lee to not leave Clem.
This isn't true, it's just to illustrate that they have to hand feed you a story, or there is no story.
I agree with most everything you said, excluding one thing.....
They did make mistakes.