I don't hate Jane, but when I watched Episode 4 I thought that I would have saved Sarah if I could have played it, I would have choosed to save Sarah at the trailer park and at the observation deck too, I felt really bad when I realized that she would have died anyway.
Your entire argument is based on an assumption that you apparently called me out on not replying to the other posts and calling me a hypocrite and that I only replied to when you apparently called me out. You have no evidence to back up your case and even when I told you what was up,you continue to claim you called me out and that I'm a hypocrite. I responded to their posts with valid arguments countering their claims. If I was a hypocrite like you claim I am I woundn't have even bothered answering their questions. I replied to them because I wanted to, not because of some asshat claiming he called me out and making false claims about me that I'm a hypocrite. The first replies to my post was dodging my questions by saying stupid responses. That was what I replied to you with. I originally had thought you wanted me to reply to the joke comments which were the first replies I've received which confused me. I see now you were talking about the other posts they had posted which I've always had the intention of replying to them.
I'm so sorry for using my "big boy words" in front of you child. But when people start making false claims about me and start to try taking my words out of a context to use against like a little bitch, then it is called for.
Also, are you fucking retarded? I'm an asshole for having an opinion that as completely biased with ought any legit ante reasons. I hate the fictional character Sarah in the fictional world of The Walking Dead and gave many valid reasons as to why. Yes, I go on to praise the character Jane gave many valid reasons as to why. I also never made any false arguments about her. Did you even read my fucking posts?
I am also surprised I am not banned yet. I have insulted you already multiple times but I guess I got lucky, REAL LUCKY.
You're a little pussy who makes up false claims about me and then takes my words out of context just to try to win a petty argument over the internet. Shut the fuck and don't respond.
Shut the fuck up. You try so hard to win a petty argument over the internet you have to act like a pathetic cunt by taking my words out of c… moreontext.
And you try so hard to aggravate by swearing at me and trying to insult me? I called you out for your bullshit, and you cry over it. Have another hissy fit why don't you? People do WORSE than what I do, and all I did was call you out for being a hypocrite.
I don't have time to be on here all day and answer every single reply my posts get. I replied to both of their posts a little while ago and answered them with valid points counter arguing their claims if you actually look you fucking moron.
Okay, but you can answer mine and not the others in the same time? Only takes a few minutes, bud. The only reason why you replied later with "valid" (pssh, yeah) arguments is because I called you out on it. And go ahead, insult me even more. Because you're totally "winning" this argument… [view original content]
To add on to leaving Sarah behind, Jane technically did it TWICE. At the observation deck she was all 'I'm sorry, Clem, we tried. It just... Wasn't enough,' I was like 'Sure, whatever, you did NOT try.'
Jane generally cared about Sarah.
No, if she really cared about Sarah should would have tried to save her. Instead she insisted on l… moreeaving her behind.
Hiding AJ to get Clementine to kill Kenny was not her intention at all.
Then what was? She may not have wanted Clem to kill him, but one of them were going to die and Jane even recognizes that, Kenny says "I'll fucking kill you" and what is Jane's response? This: "I knew you would!" She wanted a fight, even though it was against Clementine's wishes. If she cared about her she wouldn't have pulled that stunt.
She cared about Clementine more than anyone else did this season
Did you forget about Kenny? Or Luke? Or anybody else this season who risked their life for her. Nick risk's his life to save her if you went with him.
For me, obviously Sarah. Jane can go die because I didn't care about her at that point. I ACTUALLY chose to go with her in 'No Going Back' as I thought going alone would equal death. I'm going to change my ending and leave her.
Also, I just noticed this. Was Telltale SO eager and determined to kill Sarah that at the deck, for SOME RANDOM reason, she fell ON TOP of the boards of the deck, but they made it so she ended up UNDER? What the heck?
Jane in a heartbeat. For me Jane's pros far outweigh Janes's cons. I see Sarah as the opposite, I play the game for what I think is best for Clementine. Sarah can not function without a caretaker constantly putting themselves in danger. A baby I expect this from and will make the necessary sacrifices to prolong it's life. For Sarah is not bad but she takes too long to learn basic survival skills and unfortunately her ability to cope in emotional situations had been stunted by Carlos trying to shelter her from reality.
Everyone in the game has suffered great loss, and some people are able to function where others fall apart. I don't think any group is better from a moral standpoint. For me it is a question of survival in perilous situations.
I also think that Clementine represents Jane's link with humanity. Jane she has a loner attitude, but it took more than romantic feelings to draw her back in (Troy or Luke) I think Jane sees Clementine like a younger resourceful sister, if it comes to it I think Jane would sacrifice herself to save Clem. And please note that throughout this response I expressed how "I" feel about the story and characters in a game giving my thoughts. I do not think my opinions are better than someone else's or that their opinions are better than mine.
She barely even knew Clem when she decided to help her and Rebecca.
Exactly but she saw something in Clem that could replace Jamie. Right after this she brings up her dead sister (which she won't shut up about) and starts complaining about Rebecca's unborn child.
For the whole Clem thing, it's different. Clem was shown the horrors of the world since day 1 then is taught how to survive by a smart person. Sarah was sheltered by her genius father and wasn't taught anything. Clem did freak out just not as much as Sarah. Finally Clem hasn't seen her parents for about 4 months, Sarah again watched her dad DIE right in front of her. Plus Sarah has a disability.
Jane didn't want to help but she felt like it was her responsibility only because of Clem.
She barely even knew Clem when she decide… mored to help her and Rebecca. So that argument is invalid.
Sarah just watched her fucking dad die in front of her.
So? Clem watched her parents walking around like fucking zombies at the age of 9 and didn't freak out because she knew it would get her and Lee killed. Sarah has no excuse.
In the zombie apocalypse, I'd pick Jane. I would rather have someone who knows what their doing and can crack a few skulls if need be. I do like Sarah, but she's too unreliable in a bad situation. Although, studies have shown that both can be bad for your health.
I would save Jane because Jane would be more reliable in every situation, such as combat, ingenuity, losing one you care about, and even just talking. Plus, Jane could be pregnant with Luke's child.
You must be a psychologist. That's quite an excellent psychoanalysis of a character that doesn't even exist.
I did have a suspicion that her feelings towards Clem were a bit odd, especially when she tells Clem something to the effect of "Fine. I need you. Is that what you wanted to hear?" (determinant - it happens if you shoot Kenny and leave Jane). Considering that she had a dead sister, I thought it might be that Clem was like a replacement. But what Jane says doesn't fit that relationship.
I think the intention behind her character is that she's tragic BECAUSE she doesn't have the 'guts' to fully commit to being a monster.
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Yeah I got what they were driving at. In fact it was really hard not to. They just did such a bad job. Jane's conflict amounts to her either chiding Clementine for being heroic or lamenting how hard it is to be ruthless, without ever really acting all that heroic or ruthless, over and over again. And that's it. She never actually resolves it, probably because she was crafted so the player can do whatever they want with Clementine and not worry about consequences. But the end result makes Jane look incredibly weak willed. S1 Kenny actually went through a similar struggle, but the writers committed to having Kenny act incredibly cold and selfish in the later acts, then after losing everything, finally reaffirming his commitment to helping others by staying with Ben or saving Christa.
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HINT: One of these people will get you and everyone around you killed.
You mean Jane? She almost got everyone in the group killed by picking an unnecessary fight with those Russians, endangered baby AJ and planned to get Kenny killed.
No, I've just spent way too much of my life watching movies and playing video games because I have trouble connecting with people...
...
Joking aside, I don't actually think Jane is a pedophile or rapist. The disproportionate attention is the same reason Clem has to do everything and Carver sees her as an equal, which is the writing staff just making everything about her because Clem is important to the audience but they didn't bother to think how to weave that into the story naturally. So it just seems odd.
What we do know of Jane in the game is still disturbing though. We see her save Clem a few times but if she's that quick to abandon Sarah how much patience would she really have if Clementine because depressed, possibly even suicidal herself? It really doesn't feel like Jane cares so much about Clem as just wants to keep Clem around. It actually would have been ironic if Sarah's death sent Clem into a deep depression and we see if Jane would finally realize just how she's treating Clem or just write Clem off as damaged goods and leave her.
EDIT: And if you liked this quick mock psychoanalysis of Jane, you would have loved the extensive ones I did on Lilly back after season one was finished. I hated her as a person, but as a character, she was fascinating. Larry's uncompromising attitude towards everyone giving Lilly both self-esteem issues and an ego problem, and how that reenforced this idea she must be a loner causing her to believe she can never trust anyone. Just so much fun to peel back the layers with Lilly's character.
You must be a psychologist. That's quite an excellent psychoanalysis of a character that doesn't even exist.
I did have a suspicion that … moreher feelings towards Clem were a bit odd, especially when she tells Clem something to the effect of "Fine. I need you. Is that what you wanted to hear?" (determinant - it happens if you shoot Kenny and leave Jane). Considering that she had a dead sister, I thought it might be that Clem was like a replacement. But what Jane says doesn't fit that relationship.
HINT: One of these people will get you and everyone around you killed.
You mean Jane? She almost got everyone in the group killed by… more picking an unnecessary fight with those Russians, endangered baby AJ and planned to get Kenny killed.
And she even gets her own dumb self killed
I would save Jane because Jane would be more reliable in every situation, such as combat, ingenuity, losing one you care about, and even just talking. Plus, Jane could be pregnant with Luke's child.
It's kinda ironic that a lot (not all) of people saying Jane's a psychopath are making statements on how they would tear her head off, brutally murder her and all other kinds of death threats.
You must be a psychologist.
No, I've just spent way too much of my life watching movies and playing video games because I have troub… morele connecting with people...
...
Joking aside, I don't actually think Jane is a pedophile or rapist. The disproportionate attention is the same reason Clem has to do everything and Carver sees her as an equal, which is the writing staff just making everything about her because Clem is important to the audience but they didn't bother to think how to weave that into the story naturally. So it just seems odd.
What we do know of Jane in the game is still disturbing though. We see her save Clem a few times but if she's that quick to abandon Sarah how much patience would she really have if Clementine because depressed, possibly even suicidal herself? It really doesn't feel like Jane cares so much about Clem as just wants to keep Clem around. It actually would have been ironic if Sarah's death sent Clem… [view original content]
It's kinda ironic that a lot (not all) of people saying Jane's a psychopath are making statements on how they would tear her head off, brutally murder her and all other kinds of death threats.
I would save Jane because Jane would be more reliable in every situation, such as combat, ingenuity, losing one you care about, and even just talking. Plus, Jane could be pregnant with Luke's child.
Jane ( now burn me)
i did everything to save sarah no matter what, but if i have to choose. i pick Jane)
if something happens to me, Sarah womt be able to save me, and i think its good have Jane watching your back
A lot of this series is about people caring for surrogate family figures as a way of rectifying their past sins against their actual family members. Lee atones for his guilt over destroying his family by caring for Clem as the child he wanted but couldn't have because of his wife's work. Kenny atones for not being there for his family by obsessing over AJ. That's why I want the series to end with Clem venturing into a dangerous area to save a really close guardian figure of hers as a way to atone for her sin of getting Lee killed.
it also suggests she eventually would ditch Clementine if she became too much a burden.
I don't see how this follows. Look at the extremes that she's willing to go through to keep Clem safe. I don't think that indicative of a fair-weather relationship. I think that was the case before and that's why she left the first time. But in coming back, it seems as though she's accepted the risk of loss again but still resolves to do anything in her power to keep Clem safe.
Even ignoring her massive out of character scheme with hiding A.J. it's still Sarah by miles.
Replays have made me realize just how shall… moreow Jane's character is and her sudden interest in Clementine is actually creepy. With the way she talks about Sarah and Jamie so dismissively yet she bends over backwards for Clementine even when they disagree. It's like she knows Clem is capable so she wants to mold Clem into her ideal replacement for her sister just so she can have the benefit of company again without actually dealing without the possibility of loss. Her motivations make even her more heroic actions seem incredibly selfish and it also suggests she eventually would ditch Clementine if she became too much a burden.
A lot of this series is about people caring for surrogate family figures as a way of rectifying their past sins against their actual family members.
Yeah... they're called crazy people. Men and women so broken by the grief of losing love ones they selfishly try posses someone else to replace whoever they lost in a misguided attempt to cope with the pain. And using Kenny and Jane as further examples isn't helping. I actually shuttered when Kenny said "You never forget that smell" with someone else's baby and as HugoCorv pointed out later in this thread Jane admits to her selfishness if you leave her with "Fine. I need you. Is that what you wanted to hear?"
Jane's not helping Clem for Clem's sake, it's for Jane's sake, otherwise she might not have constantly been needling Clem for trying to save one of the only remaining friends in the world and tricking her into murdering another one with a plan so stupid it will get Jane herself killed if you don't intervene. She only comes back because she's lonely and keeps trying to get Clem to ditch Kenny. And she may be quick to react to immediate dangers, but I don't see the woman having the patience for Clem if she ever becomes suicidally depressed, not after dumping her biological sister after months and Sarah after seconds of seeing how upset they were.
Lee didn't immediately adopt Clementine to replace a daughter he lost, they were merely brought together by circumstances and later became family. And even that is tested at times, with Clem's desire to find her real parents overriding her common sense, Vernon questioning Lee on his relationship with Clem, and a myriad of interactions regarding Clementine's well being and her relationship with Lee. And all of that is on top of the fact that Lee actually murdered someone before the end because he wanted a family so bad. So enraged by his wife's infidelity that he killed the man she was with out of spite because it signified that they would likely never start a family together.
S1's central theme was showing how want of family brings out the best and WORST in people. Leading both to incredible deeds of nobility and shocking acts of cruelty, sometimes maybe even at the same time. Like killing Danny St. John. An overwhelming desire to protect Clementine, vengeful anger at a sick person or both even. Lee's past potentially colored his every action, leaving room to doubt the nobility of his protecting of Clementine which eventually climaxes with the conversation with the Stranger. Another man desperate for family, but one who has sunken to sick lows to get it purely for his own selfish desires, not for the good of Clementine.
A lot of this series is about people caring for surrogate family figures as a way of rectifying their past sins against their actual family … moremembers. Lee atones for his guilt over destroying his family by caring for Clem as the child he wanted but couldn't have because of his wife's work. Kenny atones for not being there for his family by obsessing over AJ. That's why I want the series to end with Clem venturing into a dangerous area to save a really close guardian figure of hers as a way to atone for her sin of getting Lee killed.
it also suggests she eventually would ditch Clementine if she became too much a burden.
I don't see how this follows. Look at the extremes that she's willing to go through to keep Clem safe. I don't think that indicative of a fair-weather relationship. I think that was the case before and that's why she left the first time. But in coming back, it seems as though she's accepted the risk of loss again but still resolves to do anything in her power to keep Clem safe.
Well it seems like both of my replies to this post was deleted.
Il'll just say it again.
Your entire argument is based on a assumption that i am a hypocrite and you apparently "called me out on my shit" by saying I was dodging their questions and had only replied to them when you claimed you were "calling me out on my shit". I had every intention of answering their replies and I said they were dodging my question at first by making stupid joke comments which I had originally thought that was you wanted me to reply to.
I just love how my posts to you were deleted making it look like your winning this argument.
Anyway, I'm quite sure you saw both of my posts before they were deleted and I don't need to argue any more points with you.
You're a pussy little bitch who makes up false claims about me and then takes my words out of context just to win a petty argument over the internet because you don't like my personal opinion of a made up character? It wouldn't be suprising to me if you were actually the one to flag my posts you pathetic fucking loser.
I looked at their responses but I didn't want to answer them
Yeah.
Because you wanted to dodge the question. lmao
You came bac… morek before and you didn't bother to answer them, but you answer to me? But now that you see people calling you out on your shit, you make up an excuse? Okay. And by the way, you still didn't reply.
Your just acting like a complete douche for no reason.
I called you out on your shit. Not my fault you're a hypocrite and I so happened to call you out on it.
Grow the fuck up and try to work on not being an asshole. I'm so sorry my personal opinion and trying to have a civil discussion has hurt you so much.
Shit, bro. You claim that you wanted to have a civil discussion? Then you come out and say this?
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How exactly would Clem be dead? I don't remember any moment in Episode 5 where Jane helped my Clem.
in the lake if she fall in it
Sarah. I'm not a huge fan of monkeys.
I don't hate Jane, but when I watched Episode 4 I thought that I would have saved Sarah if I could have played it, I would have choosed to save Sarah at the trailer park and at the observation deck too, I felt really bad when I realized that she would have died anyway.
Your entire argument is based on an assumption that you apparently called me out on not replying to the other posts and calling me a hypocrite and that I only replied to when you apparently called me out. You have no evidence to back up your case and even when I told you what was up,you continue to claim you called me out and that I'm a hypocrite. I responded to their posts with valid arguments countering their claims. If I was a hypocrite like you claim I am I woundn't have even bothered answering their questions. I replied to them because I wanted to, not because of some asshat claiming he called me out and making false claims about me that I'm a hypocrite. The first replies to my post was dodging my questions by saying stupid responses. That was what I replied to you with. I originally had thought you wanted me to reply to the joke comments which were the first replies I've received which confused me. I see now you were talking about the other posts they had posted which I've always had the intention of replying to them.
I'm so sorry for using my "big boy words" in front of you child. But when people start making false claims about me and start to try taking my words out of a context to use against like a little bitch, then it is called for.
Also, are you fucking retarded? I'm an asshole for having an opinion that as completely biased with ought any legit ante reasons. I hate the fictional character Sarah in the fictional world of The Walking Dead and gave many valid reasons as to why. Yes, I go on to praise the character Jane gave many valid reasons as to why. I also never made any false arguments about her. Did you even read my fucking posts?
I am also surprised I am not banned yet. I have insulted you already multiple times but I guess I got lucky, REAL LUCKY.
You're a little pussy who makes up false claims about me and then takes my words out of context just to try to win a petty argument over the internet. Shut the fuck and don't respond.
Sarah.
Fuck Jane.
To add on to leaving Sarah behind, Jane technically did it TWICE. At the observation deck she was all 'I'm sorry, Clem, we tried. It just... Wasn't enough,' I was like 'Sure, whatever, you did NOT try.'
For me, obviously Sarah. Jane can go die because I didn't care about her at that point. I ACTUALLY chose to go with her in 'No Going Back' as I thought going alone would equal death. I'm going to change my ending and leave her.
Also, I just noticed this. Was Telltale SO eager and determined to kill Sarah that at the deck, for SOME RANDOM reason, she fell ON TOP of the boards of the deck, but they made it so she ended up UNDER? What the heck?
Jane in a heartbeat. For me Jane's pros far outweigh Janes's cons. I see Sarah as the opposite, I play the game for what I think is best for Clementine. Sarah can not function without a caretaker constantly putting themselves in danger. A baby I expect this from and will make the necessary sacrifices to prolong it's life. For Sarah is not bad but she takes too long to learn basic survival skills and unfortunately her ability to cope in emotional situations had been stunted by Carlos trying to shelter her from reality.
Everyone in the game has suffered great loss, and some people are able to function where others fall apart. I don't think any group is better from a moral standpoint. For me it is a question of survival in perilous situations.
I also think that Clementine represents Jane's link with humanity. Jane she has a loner attitude, but it took more than romantic feelings to draw her back in (Troy or Luke) I think Jane sees Clementine like a younger resourceful sister, if it comes to it I think Jane would sacrifice herself to save Clem. And please note that throughout this response I expressed how "I" feel about the story and characters in a game giving my thoughts. I do not think my opinions are better than someone else's or that their opinions are better than mine.
Exactly but she saw something in Clem that could replace Jamie. Right after this she brings up her dead sister (which she won't shut up about) and starts complaining about Rebecca's unborn child.
For the whole Clem thing, it's different. Clem was shown the horrors of the world since day 1 then is taught how to survive by a smart person. Sarah was sheltered by her genius father and wasn't taught anything. Clem did freak out just not as much as Sarah. Finally Clem hasn't seen her parents for about 4 months, Sarah again watched her dad DIE right in front of her. Plus Sarah has a disability.
Lee's fingernail would be a better protector...Probably could use it as a knife.
In the zombie apocalypse, I'd pick Jane. I would rather have someone who knows what their doing and can crack a few skulls if need be. I do like Sarah, but she's too unreliable in a bad situation. Although, studies have shown that both can be bad for your health.
Psh, not even a question for me. Sarah.
I would save Jane because Jane would be more reliable in every situation, such as combat, ingenuity, losing one you care about, and even just talking. Plus, Jane could be pregnant with Luke's child.
You must be a psychologist. That's quite an excellent psychoanalysis of a character that doesn't even exist.
I did have a suspicion that her feelings towards Clem were a bit odd, especially when she tells Clem something to the effect of "Fine. I need you. Is that what you wanted to hear?" (determinant - it happens if you shoot Kenny and leave Jane). Considering that she had a dead sister, I thought it might be that Clem was like a replacement. But what Jane says doesn't fit that relationship.
You mean Jane? She almost got everyone in the group killed by picking an unnecessary fight with those Russians, endangered baby AJ and planned to get Kenny killed.
And she even gets her own dumb self killed
No, I've just spent way too much of my life watching movies and playing video games because I have trouble connecting with people...
...
Joking aside, I don't actually think Jane is a pedophile or rapist. The disproportionate attention is the same reason Clem has to do everything and Carver sees her as an equal, which is the writing staff just making everything about her because Clem is important to the audience but they didn't bother to think how to weave that into the story naturally. So it just seems odd.
What we do know of Jane in the game is still disturbing though. We see her save Clem a few times but if she's that quick to abandon Sarah how much patience would she really have if Clementine because depressed, possibly even suicidal herself? It really doesn't feel like Jane cares so much about Clem as just wants to keep Clem around. It actually would have been ironic if Sarah's death sent Clem into a deep depression and we see if Jane would finally realize just how she's treating Clem or just write Clem off as damaged goods and leave her.
EDIT: And if you liked this quick mock psychoanalysis of Jane, you would have loved the extensive ones I did on Lilly back after season one was finished. I hated her as a person, but as a character, she was fascinating. Larry's uncompromising attitude towards everyone giving Lilly both self-esteem issues and an ego problem, and how that reenforced this idea she must be a loner causing her to believe she can never trust anyone. Just so much fun to peel back the layers with Lilly's character.
And how did she pick a fight with the Russians?
Really?
You mean her running away at every situation?
You think Jane gives a shit if you lose someone you care about?
Jane would also probably abort the baby, she sees it as a liability.
It's kinda ironic that a lot (not all) of people saying Jane's a psychopath are making statements on how they would tear her head off, brutally murder her and all other kinds of death threats.
Could you post the link if you can locate it? I can only view your last 25 posts. I'd love to see your analysis of Lily.
I have heard very little of these, please quote them.
Page 4: "Jane you slutty bitch, I'll let you die in a pit of walkers."
Also on page 4
"Jane I would pull a fuckin' Bigby on yer if I could."
Any others?
You should change that "A lot" to "some".
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actually to all you jane fans, telltale confirmed jane was preggers with lukes kid.
Do you have a link?
Sarah.
Its nothing personal, i'd just rather have Satan himself accompany me instead of that Shitbird Jane.
.... okay its personal
...All righty then...
Seriously?
Jane ( now burn me)
i did everything to save sarah no matter what, but if i have to choose. i pick Jane)
if something happens to me, Sarah womt be able to save me, and i think its good have Jane watching your back
Yup its good to have Jane watching your back, as you can tell from the GIF below:
Sarah.
A lot of this series is about people caring for surrogate family figures as a way of rectifying their past sins against their actual family members. Lee atones for his guilt over destroying his family by caring for Clem as the child he wanted but couldn't have because of his wife's work. Kenny atones for not being there for his family by obsessing over AJ. That's why I want the series to end with Clem venturing into a dangerous area to save a really close guardian figure of hers as a way to atone for her sin of getting Lee killed.
I don't see how this follows. Look at the extremes that she's willing to go through to keep Clem safe. I don't think that indicative of a fair-weather relationship. I think that was the case before and that's why she left the first time. But in coming back, it seems as though she's accepted the risk of loss again but still resolves to do anything in her power to keep Clem safe.
Hey at least it's not Kenny who will smash your head in with a saltlick if you pass out because of a condition.
Knowing that Jane could easily save herself in dangerous situations, I'd probably save Sarah.
Oh. Well my Clem never fell in, it sounded like Firewallcano was talking about something that isn't determinant.
Yeah... they're called crazy people. Men and women so broken by the grief of losing love ones they selfishly try posses someone else to replace whoever they lost in a misguided attempt to cope with the pain. And using Kenny and Jane as further examples isn't helping. I actually shuttered when Kenny said "You never forget that smell" with someone else's baby and as HugoCorv pointed out later in this thread Jane admits to her selfishness if you leave her with "Fine. I need you. Is that what you wanted to hear?"
Jane's not helping Clem for Clem's sake, it's for Jane's sake, otherwise she might not have constantly been needling Clem for trying to save one of the only remaining friends in the world and tricking her into murdering another one with a plan so stupid it will get Jane herself killed if you don't intervene. She only comes back because she's lonely and keeps trying to get Clem to ditch Kenny. And she may be quick to react to immediate dangers, but I don't see the woman having the patience for Clem if she ever becomes suicidally depressed, not after dumping her biological sister after months and Sarah after seconds of seeing how upset they were.
Lee didn't immediately adopt Clementine to replace a daughter he lost, they were merely brought together by circumstances and later became family. And even that is tested at times, with Clem's desire to find her real parents overriding her common sense, Vernon questioning Lee on his relationship with Clem, and a myriad of interactions regarding Clementine's well being and her relationship with Lee. And all of that is on top of the fact that Lee actually murdered someone before the end because he wanted a family so bad. So enraged by his wife's infidelity that he killed the man she was with out of spite because it signified that they would likely never start a family together.
S1's central theme was showing how want of family brings out the best and WORST in people. Leading both to incredible deeds of nobility and shocking acts of cruelty, sometimes maybe even at the same time. Like killing Danny St. John. An overwhelming desire to protect Clementine, vengeful anger at a sick person or both even. Lee's past potentially colored his every action, leaving room to doubt the nobility of his protecting of Clementine which eventually climaxes with the conversation with the Stranger. Another man desperate for family, but one who has sunken to sick lows to get it purely for his own selfish desires, not for the good of Clementine.
Well it seems like both of my replies to this post was deleted.
Il'll just say it again.
Your entire argument is based on a assumption that i am a hypocrite and you apparently "called me out on my shit" by saying I was dodging their questions and had only replied to them when you claimed you were "calling me out on my shit". I had every intention of answering their replies and I said they were dodging my question at first by making stupid joke comments which I had originally thought that was you wanted me to reply to.
I just love how my posts to you were deleted making it look like your winning this argument.
Anyway, I'm quite sure you saw both of my posts before they were deleted and I don't need to argue any more points with you.
You're a pussy little bitch who makes up false claims about me and then takes my words out of context just to win a petty argument over the internet because you don't like my personal opinion of a made up character? It wouldn't be suprising to me if you were actually the one to flag my posts you pathetic fucking loser.