Compared to Kenny? Absolutely. Kenny had no identifiable reasoning for his anger or his frustrated sadness. He gets captured after indirectly getting his friend Walter and possibly Alvin killed, shows anger. Gets the shit beat out of him and losses an eye as a result, anger. Losses Sarita, anger.
Anger can't be the main contributing factor that a character acts on. Only breaking up the monotony with some sadness here-and-there.
We don't really see any other variation in the other characters in regards to their set personalities. That's just writing. Hell, that's real life for the most part. Characters tend to have a relatively consistent personality, not one that is all over the place.
Anger can't be the main contributing factor that a character acts on.
Says who exactly? Kenny was a rather volatile man who acted in a vindictive sort of manner to those who hurt him or the people he cared about. It's just who he was, and it's a realistic personality to have. I don't see how having a relatively consistent/ set personality makes a character boring or non compelling.
Compared to Kenny? Absolutely. Kenny had no identifiable reasoning for his anger or his frustrated sadness. He gets captured after indirectl… morey getting his friend Walter and possibly Alvin killed, shows anger. Gets the shit beat out of him and losses an eye as a result, anger. Losses Sarita, anger.
Anger can't be the main contributing factor that a character acts on. Only breaking up the monotony with some sadness here-and-there.
How compelling.
I can't believe I forgot to complain about how annoyed I am with how they handled Arvo. He's probably tied with Sarita for 'biggest plot device' and it is so disappointing because they both could have been interesting...But no, Sarita needed to get shoved in a fridge and Arvo was just there to make Kenny look unstable and shoot Clementine and have the whole fandom hate him while simultaneously going 'Kenny was right all along' or whatever. (I complain about the same things over and over.) We never even got to talk to him and find out anything, they didn't give his character a chance. We can have at least one conversation with Sarita at the lodge, (But it was mainly about Kenny, go figure.) but with Arvo all you get to do is decide if you want to rob him or not and it leads to the same result either way.
Arvo. Sadly, he was never given a chance to have a personality, because he was nothing but a plot device. His actions were also completely illogical and contradictory.
Absolutely not. People are complex creatures. Complete with a wide range of emotions and varying things that contribute to them.
Characters tend to have a relatively consistent personality, not one that is all over the place.
I'm not suggesting characters have to be completely enigmatic to be interesting. But, again, people in real life inhibit more than one "defining" emotion. This is caused because of mood swings, varying triggers, and other miscellaneous things.
Kenny was a rather volatile man who acted in a vindictive sort of manner to those who hurt him or the people he cared about
So was Joel from The Last of Us, he also showed vulnerability and had genuine character flaws. Things that us humans have.
We don't really see any other variation in the other characters in regards to their set personalities. That's just writing. Hell, that's rea… morel life for the most part. Characters tend to have a relatively consistent personality, not one that is all over the place.
Anger can't be the main contributing factor that a character acts on.
Says who exactly? Kenny was a rather volatile man who acted in a vindictive sort of manner to those who hurt him or the people he cared about. It's just who he was, and it's a realistic personality to have. I don't see how having a relatively consistent/ set personality makes a character boring or non compelling.
I read somewhere that he actually was supposed to be one of those guys who attacked Christa and then he'd apologize to Clem and then Clem would have to decide wheter to trust him or not.
Personally, I think Mike deserves to be brought back for Season 3. There's a lot of unexplored potential in his character, and he's one of the few that they didn't decide to kill off. Plus the fact that he originally could die, and that they patched it out. I can't see any other reason to change that besides "hey we could still do something with this character in the future."
It's probably because the writers tries to play him up as a smart individual due to him being a doctor, yet he consistently makes illogical decisions. It doesn't help that he's needlessly mean spirited towards Clementine at times, and is overly protective of his daughter Sarah, which ends up contributing to her own death in the future.
Plus, he's a great source of mockery as well. The dog bite and wind turbine incident, and the lodge house jokes are examples of this.
People are exaggerating. Making fun of him beacuse he couldn't recognize a dog bite - even though he was just a doctor, not a veterinarian, and in ZA each bite seems dangerous to every reasonable survivor - but forgetting that he most likely saved Kenny by helping him after he was beaten. He was against Lukes idea of taking Clementine to the bridge, he was worried about Nick becoming unstable, saved Clem after she emptied her pistol and stood up to Caver (as the only one not counting Kenny with walkie-takie situation). And about Sarah, he was raising a girl having an anxiety disorder, which he loved and trying to protect.
Carlos was wounded, beaten, threatened, forced to slap his own daughter, then shot and devoured by the walkers, which is one of the worst death I can imagine. People need to give him a break.
It's probably because the writers tries to play him up as a smart individual due to him being a doctor, yet he consistently makes illogical … moredecisions. It doesn't help that he's needlessly mean spirited towards Clementine at times, and is overly protective of his daughter Sarah, which ends up contributing to her own death in the future.
Plus, he's a great source of mockery as well. The dog bite and wind turbine incident, and the lodge house jokes are examples of this.
Absolutely not. People are complex creatures. Complete with a wide range of emotions and varying things that contribute to them.
You're stating the obvious there. I'm only saying that people tend to have a set personality, and not one that is all over the map. If you really know a person, their personality is quite predictable.
I'm not suggesting characters have to be completely enigmatic to be interesting. But, again, people in real life inhibit more than one "defining" emotion. This is caused because of mood swings, varying triggers, and other miscellaneous things.
I'm only talking about the overall defining personality of fictional characters. Of course in reality people have mood swings and various outbursts that are uncharacteristic to their general personality. We're talking about writing, though, in which these things tend to be few and far between.
It seems rather unfair to criticize Kenny's character for having a clear defining emotion without actually looking at the complexity and thematic value of that emotion. Kenny was a man who struggled to move on from the horrific events surrounding Katjaa abandoning him/ committing suicide right in front of him and his very soon to be dead son. He never really got over what she did to him. It changed him. Of course even before Katjaa's death we saw that he was a relatively fiery guy, but after her death that became a more permanent state of mind for him. Even when first meeting him back at the ski lodge we saw how on edge he was. I guess I don't see how we can really label Kenny as overly predictable and unrealistically set in his emotion when his themes were some of the most realistic out of anyone in the game. He struggled with the tragedy that had befallen him, and wanted to do everything in his power to make sure it didn't happen to him again. When we couple this with the fact that he is a leader at heart and "shit was hitting the fan" just about 100% of the time that he was on screen, it really isn't unrealistic to see Kenny acting in the way that he did.
So was Joel from The Last of Us, he also showed vulnerability and had genuine character flaws. Things that us humans have.
You didn't see any vulnerability from Kenny..? How about his reactions to Sarita's death (and no, those were not all anger based). What about the interactions between Kenny and Clem at the ski lodge? The Wellington endings?
Hell, that's real life for the most part.
Absolutely not. People are complex creatures. Complete with a wide range of emotions and v… morearying things that contribute to them.
Characters tend to have a relatively consistent personality, not one that is all over the place.
I'm not suggesting characters have to be completely enigmatic to be interesting. But, again, people in real life inhibit more than one "defining" emotion. This is caused because of mood swings, varying triggers, and other miscellaneous things.
Kenny was a rather volatile man who acted in a vindictive sort of manner to those who hurt him or the people he cared about
So was Joel from The Last of Us, he also showed vulnerability and had genuine character flaws. Things that us humans have.
Well to be honest i didnt see him turning into violent maniac, so that was a small surprise. There were some hints early on when he was trying to "help" Sarita with the box, but didnt see it escalating into trying to beat kid to death.
First and foremost, the Kenny endings were badly written. It was only fodder so that TT could make Kenny come off being more sympathetic seeing as though TT greatly favored Kenny's character over everyone, even Clementine.
It seems rather unfair to criticize Kenny's character for having a clear defining emotion without actually looking at the complexity and thematic value of that emotion.
There really is no "complex and thematic" value to his character because the outcome is always the same. When Kat and Duck died, Kenny was sad. Understandable... Then, the outcome of his depression was frustration. Then anger. He didn't learn anything, gain any understanding, nor make me identify with him because by the time he was in season 2, his character reset. He had a new undeveloped character for romantic interest and all of his arc was tossed out the window along with any understanding of him as a person.
I guess I don't see how we can really label Kenny as overly predictable and unrealistically set in his emotion when his themes were some of the most realistic out of anyone in the game.
What do you mean by "themes were some of the most realistic?" Are you referring to him losing his family? Because if that's the case, I hardly see how being sad because your family died is a "realistic theme." It seems kind of obvious as far as a reaction is concerned. Which is my point, the initial reaction is easy to write for a character. The later character traits that particular character inhibits because of that event would be a bit more tricky. Kenny's problem is that his character was stuck on that event, there was very little growth.
Absolutely not. People are complex creatures. Complete with a wide range of emotions and varying things that contribute to them.
You… more're stating the obvious there. I'm only saying that people tend to have a set personality, and not one that is all over the map. If you really know a person, their personality is quite predictable.
I'm not suggesting characters have to be completely enigmatic to be interesting. But, again, people in real life inhibit more than one "defining" emotion. This is caused because of mood swings, varying triggers, and other miscellaneous things.
I'm only talking about the overall defining personality of fictional characters. Of course in reality people have mood swings and various outbursts that are uncharacteristic to their general personality. We're talking about writing, though, in which these things tend to be few and far between.
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Compared to Kenny? Absolutely. Kenny had no identifiable reasoning for his anger or his frustrated sadness. He gets captured after indirectly getting his friend Walter and possibly Alvin killed, shows anger. Gets the shit beat out of him and losses an eye as a result, anger. Losses Sarita, anger.
Anger can't be the main contributing factor that a character acts on. Only breaking up the monotony with some sadness here-and-there.
How compelling.
We don't really see any other variation in the other characters in regards to their set personalities. That's just writing. Hell, that's real life for the most part. Characters tend to have a relatively consistent personality, not one that is all over the place.
Says who exactly? Kenny was a rather volatile man who acted in a vindictive sort of manner to those who hurt him or the people he cared about. It's just who he was, and it's a realistic personality to have. I don't see how having a relatively consistent/ set personality makes a character boring or non compelling.
Yes, I know your name is not Lucy, but lets still have a high five.
Cool opinion bro.
This thread quickly took a turn for the worse.
I can't believe I forgot to complain about how annoyed I am with how they handled Arvo. He's probably tied with Sarita for 'biggest plot device' and it is so disappointing because they both could have been interesting...But no, Sarita needed to get shoved in a fridge and Arvo was just there to make Kenny look unstable and shoot Clementine and have the whole fandom hate him while simultaneously going 'Kenny was right all along' or whatever. (I complain about the same things over and over.) We never even got to talk to him and find out anything, they didn't give his character a chance. We can have at least one conversation with Sarita at the lodge, (But it was mainly about Kenny, go figure.) but with Arvo all you get to do is decide if you want to rob him or not and it leads to the same result either way.
Sonya walks into the thread
doug, he is so lame and really serves no purpose
Don't worry, they banned the Cluking troll already.
Excuse me but have you seen my profile picture?
I'm obviously a sexy human alpha-male, unlike the butt-ugly Kenny.
Nah he had great character development, remember when he learned about house sizes in Episode 2?
Carlos was a great character, I don't understand this whole hostility towards him.
Absolutely not. People are complex creatures. Complete with a wide range of emotions and varying things that contribute to them.
I'm not suggesting characters have to be completely enigmatic to be interesting. But, again, people in real life inhibit more than one "defining" emotion. This is caused because of mood swings, varying triggers, and other miscellaneous things.
So was Joel from The Last of Us, he also showed vulnerability and had genuine character flaws. Things that us humans have.
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the recycled model of carlos,molly
Mike
He didn't do anything notable and you never get to know anything about him.
No, it's the other thing: Kenny is his waifu.
Why did they do that?
Because why not.
I read somewhere that he actually was supposed to be one of those guys who attacked Christa and then he'd apologize to Clem and then Clem would have to decide wheter to trust him or not.
Molly season 2
Personally, I think Mike deserves to be brought back for Season 3. There's a lot of unexplored potential in his character, and he's one of the few that they didn't decide to kill off. Plus the fact that he originally could die, and that they patched it out. I can't see any other reason to change that besides "hey we could still do something with this character in the future."
A troll trying to bait, how predictable.
Luke is the walking embodiment of Ambien.
It's probably because the writers tries to play him up as a smart individual due to him being a doctor, yet he consistently makes illogical decisions. It doesn't help that he's needlessly mean spirited towards Clementine at times, and is overly protective of his daughter Sarah, which ends up contributing to her own death in the future.
Plus, he's a great source of mockery as well. The dog bite and wind turbine incident, and the lodge house jokes are examples of this.
People are exaggerating. Making fun of him beacuse he couldn't recognize a dog bite - even though he was just a doctor, not a veterinarian, and in ZA each bite seems dangerous to every reasonable survivor - but forgetting that he most likely saved Kenny by helping him after he was beaten. He was against Lukes idea of taking Clementine to the bridge, he was worried about Nick becoming unstable, saved Clem after she emptied her pistol and stood up to Caver (as the only one not counting Kenny with walkie-takie situation). And about Sarah, he was raising a girl having an anxiety disorder, which he loved and trying to protect.
Carlos was wounded, beaten, threatened, forced to slap his own daughter, then shot and devoured by the walkers, which is one of the worst death I can imagine. People need to give him a break.
You're stating the obvious there. I'm only saying that people tend to have a set personality, and not one that is all over the map. If you really know a person, their personality is quite predictable.
I'm only talking about the overall defining personality of fictional characters. Of course in reality people have mood swings and various outbursts that are uncharacteristic to their general personality. We're talking about writing, though, in which these things tend to be few and far between.
It seems rather unfair to criticize Kenny's character for having a clear defining emotion without actually looking at the complexity and thematic value of that emotion. Kenny was a man who struggled to move on from the horrific events surrounding Katjaa abandoning him/ committing suicide right in front of him and his very soon to be dead son. He never really got over what she did to him. It changed him. Of course even before Katjaa's death we saw that he was a relatively fiery guy, but after her death that became a more permanent state of mind for him. Even when first meeting him back at the ski lodge we saw how on edge he was. I guess I don't see how we can really label Kenny as overly predictable and unrealistically set in his emotion when his themes were some of the most realistic out of anyone in the game. He struggled with the tragedy that had befallen him, and wanted to do everything in his power to make sure it didn't happen to him again. When we couple this with the fact that he is a leader at heart and "shit was hitting the fan" just about 100% of the time that he was on screen, it really isn't unrealistic to see Kenny acting in the way that he did.
You didn't see any vulnerability from Kenny..? How about his reactions to Sarita's death (and no, those were not all anger based). What about the interactions between Kenny and Clem at the ski lodge? The Wellington endings?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMpQPWKs6M4
Skip to 3:30. Everything from that point all the way to the end really has no themes in anger.
Brie, Clive, Boyd and Joyce were all pretty dull. Vernon was a little more interesting.
All Kenny said was I got it, he is more helpfull then in seas 1
How quaint. Don't quit your day job mate, you're not good at this.
Ah.
First and foremost, the Kenny endings were badly written. It was only fodder so that TT could make Kenny come off being more sympathetic seeing as though TT greatly favored Kenny's character over everyone, even Clementine.
There really is no "complex and thematic" value to his character because the outcome is always the same. When Kat and Duck died, Kenny was sad. Understandable... Then, the outcome of his depression was frustration. Then anger. He didn't learn anything, gain any understanding, nor make me identify with him because by the time he was in season 2, his character reset. He had a new undeveloped character for romantic interest and all of his arc was tossed out the window along with any understanding of him as a person.
What do you mean by "themes were some of the most realistic?" Are you referring to him losing his family? Because if that's the case, I hardly see how being sad because your family died is a "realistic theme." It seems kind of obvious as far as a reaction is concerned. Which is my point, the initial reaction is easy to write for a character. The later character traits that particular character inhibits because of that event would be a bit more tricky. Kenny's problem is that his character was stuck on that event, there was very little growth.
Kenny; Sarita; Walter; Alvin; Carlos; Mike
But I'm afraid AJ tops them all in the dull department. He will be the death of Season 3. Mark my words.