Most of the characters did things that could hurt the others a lot, shooting doug/carley won't be forgotten but in the ZA you have to act and judge PER day
Nope but your responces just like this one , shows why people don't respond here , there is no normal conversation with you all you do is picking fights (the way you respond here)
Your PM was that i in your eyes don't know sarcasm(i do very well and thats why i was done talking because you change from serious to sarcasm in a heartbeat and if they don't see it they are stupid but they don't know that you in your head think"sarcasm"or "serious") and you do that to everyone , people scratch their heads when you respond in a very offensive way and those people are immedialtly done talking to you because of your childish behaviour
Just like i am now , done talking to someone who is just picking fights with anyone who talks to them
Nope but your responces just like this one , shows why people don't respond here , there is no normal conversation with you all you do is pi… morecking fights (the way you respond here)
Your PM was that i in your eyes don't know sarcasm(i do very well and thats why i was done talking because you change from serious to sarcasm in a heartbeat and if they don't see it they are stupid but they don't know that you in your head think"sarcasm"or "serious") and you do that to everyone , people scratch their heads when you respond in a very offensive way and those people are immedialtly done talking to you because of your childish behaviour
Just like i am now , done talking to someone who is just picking fights with anyone who talks to them
Well, that's a lie. Isn't it?
After savagely murdering a father in cold blood in front of his daughter and a eight year old, he continued… more to bash heads with the grieving daughter. So, no, he wasn't on "neutral terms" with people nor did he "not HATE Lily."
And coming from someone who carries grudges so strongly. I find it funny he was angry with the way Lily saw him after he, again, murdered her father not but four inches from her. A truly great man.
It will depend on how she is. If she understand that killing Doug/Carley was wrong, maybe in saying : "Now I know that I made a big mistake, and I will never forgive myself for what I have done", I think I can forgive her. But, if she still a bitch about it and say : "It had to be done"(Carver words), I will not have mercy for her.
You said it more often then me, and now you started PM'ing me
So you make up your mind... because this week you won't talk to me and the others you wouldn't respond to and the other week you will "talk"(Telling then they are all wrong and you are so superiour blabbering the whole time) to those members
@Kenny-Lee I'm not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your reply is the bottom of the chain of comments.
Can everyone please stop this argument before it gets out of hand.
I would like to remind everyone of the respect rule in the Forum Guidelines
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Also if someone is insulting somebody else via PM this can also be reported to a moderator via PM. Just because it's in a private message it doesn't mean someone can get away with insults, we would look into it and assess if any further action would need to be taken depending on the severity of the insults.
You said it more often then me, and now you started PM'ing me
So you make up your mind... because this week you won't talk to me and the ot… morehers you wouldn't respond to and the other week you will "talk"(Telling then they are all wrong and you are so superiour blabbering the whole time) to those members
1) You can't be serious. If Jane didn't want the fight to happen, or initiate it on purpose, then why would she hide AJ in the car, pretend … moreto look sad and not make eye contact when she was initially talking to Kenny, purposely be very vague and not answer his questions to lead him to the conclusion that AJ was dead, and then immediately right herself from her fake huddled position, all signs of sadness vanishing far too quickly for it to be genuine the minute Kenny was out of sight, and then go on to tell Clem to "stay out of it", and that she was "going to show her what Kenny really was". This didn't alert you that something wasn't right, that perhaps Jane was putting on a facade? Quite convenient that she doesn't tell Clem about AJ's true whereabouts either, knowing that Clem wouldn't sit back and do nothing if she knew the truth. It was all an act. She planned all of it. She didn't throw her knife away to make peace, she sheathed it to t… [view original content]
1) Wrong. Jane told Kenny it was an accident, but Kenny didn't care. Of course she didn't make eye contact, as she was trying to convey shame and sadness over an action (killing AJ) she didn't do. She told Clem to stay out of it because she knew when Kenny came back that there would be a fight, and that Kenny would try to kill her, or at least fight her; she didn't want Clem getting in the middle of the fight, and possibly getting hurt. Her not telling Clem where AJ, the prop baby, is was because she needed Kenny to believe he was dead. I also know that if Kenny had not charged her after she sheathed her weapon (I know your Kenny bias wants to say it her goading him, but her sheathing her weapon was simply that, her sheathing her weapon; it makes her come off as the less hostile of the two), he would've proven her wrong about him....I already said this.I know she planned it; could you not tell from my previous posts?
2) It's cruel, and deceitful, but it something that would eventually happen realistically. Better to fake it now, rather than let it happen for real, where they're surrounded by walkers, or hostile humans. Everything she said was valid, because there's no possible way to realistically protect a newborn in a zombie apocalypse, where food is scarce, and danger is always not far behind. AJ dying was going to happen. In fact it should've already happened really, or he should've at least got really sick seeing as he went without food, and warmth, for days after being born. He also should've cried out after Jane left him alone as well, in hunger and because he was cold, but he hardly ever acted like a real baby. Too bad Telltale wrote him to be a prop/plot device, rather than a actual baby that was born a just recently. She was manipulative because she was not willing to let Clem, or herself, continue to travel with a ticking time bomb. She only lied to Clem that one time, and she wanted to go back to Howe's knowing that the department store was their best chance at finding food for them, and formula for AJ. Going to Wellington, where it could be anyone there, and where they don't know if they have formula was more of a risk.
Also don't accuse only Jane of trying to get her way, as Kenny had been shoving his weight and opinion around the the whole fucking season. What would've happened if he hadn't bumped into the truck door and got knocked down? He was willing to put everyone's lives at risk for some bullshit escape attempt. If Troy, or Carver, open fire,seeing as EVERYONE was in one place, there's a good chance people would've died unnecessarily.
3) Yeah, after the guy says he wants to kill her, and just attempted to kill her, what do you fucking expect her to say? "Let's go give him a hug."? Kenny already expressed wanting her death, and just leaving wasn't gonna stop him from coming back after catching his breath/recuperating. Also, Clem wasn't going to just leave either of them, so one of them had to die before any decision on leaving could be made once Kenny made it quite clear to everyone that he wanted to kill her, or at least beat her, like he beat Arvo.
Isn't Kenny cruel? Constantly beating a helpless person, that had no hope of fighting back? Why is alienating the rest of the group constantly? That's why Mike and Bonnie left!
Nobody was a cruel as Carver, Kenny fanboy, and Jane is only cruel when she tricks Kenny.
Yes, she's so horrible for seeing a newborn baby in a zombie apocalypse as a liability. Oh wait....he IS a liability. To have kids in this world as it is now is reckless, and cruel, to both the child and those who've made it their responsibility to protect the mom and child. Food and shelter aren't a guarantee, and now they have to provide for a newborn...in the freezing winter?
She abandons people who don't want to help themselves, or are lost causes, but even then did you forget that she saved Clem and Rebecca from the walker horde when Rebecca was too scared to move, or that, if you stay to convince Sarah to leave the trailer, she doesn't climb up until she knows the girls are out and safe first, or that she didn't just leave when Clem left her at the gift shop alone, or that she came back to save them from that Russian guy? Seriously, if she wanted to just get rid of the baby, and just leave the situation, she could've just dropped AJ in front of some walkers, and left, or enact her plan after actually killing the baby. But she actually cares about Clem's opinion/feelings and the baby's safety, so she placed him in a car that's safe enough from walkers.
She was right. If anything happened to that baby, which would've inevitably happened, then he would've gone apeshit crazy. Better to reveal it now, rather than have it happen in a worse situation where he puts people in danger....like when he just abandon's Clem, the girl who just saved them from getting shot by Carver, in the walker horde, no matter how you deal with Sarita. The guy then puts all blame on Clem later. Kenny was a danger, and he only escalated situations with his yelling at everyone, and beating of a helpless Arvo.
It doesn't matter if Larry was likely dead, to just smash his head in without warning, AFTER HE TAKES A FUCKING BREATH, in front on the man's protective daughter, and then just expect her to get over it was cruel of him. Then when it's time to kill his infected son, you have to fight him to convince him to do what "had to be done" (even then he struggles do it; yeah Katjaa committed suicide, but that doesn't change the situation, or the fact that his son needed to die), and then acts like a hypocrite with the Sarita situation, and leaves an 11 year old in horde of walkers. If not for the "evil" Jane, Clem, Rebecca and the unborn AJ would've all died, either via walker, gunshot, or both.
Both Jane, and Kenny, had flaws, but only Kenny's flaws put people in danger, and dissolved the group moral.
1) You can't be serious. If Jane didn't want the fight to happen, or initiate it on purpose, then why would she hide AJ in the car, pretend … moreto look sad and not make eye contact when she was initially talking to Kenny, purposely be very vague and not answer his questions to lead him to the conclusion that AJ was dead, and then immediately right herself from her fake huddled position, all signs of sadness vanishing far too quickly for it to be genuine the minute Kenny was out of sight, and then go on to tell Clem to "stay out of it", and that she was "going to show her what Kenny really was". This didn't alert you that something wasn't right, that perhaps Jane was putting on a facade? Quite convenient that she doesn't tell Clem about AJ's true whereabouts either, knowing that Clem wouldn't sit back and do nothing if she knew the truth. It was all an act. She planned all of it. She didn't throw her knife away to make peace, she sheathed it to t… [view original content]
That first breath didnt mean anything, many people think it does but that doesnt mean the CPR is working. Just one breath doesnt mean the breathing process has started and he is breathing on his own.
Quote from a medical website:
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hospital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
This is on Larry and Lilly here, Larry should have had his temper issues under control, they were like what? 3 Months in that motor inn? Larry would be alive if he didnt get so upset about anything.
Well Larry starts breathing if you help Lilly, and I don't think he was turning since his skin wasn't grey like nosy other infected people. … moreI'm not an expert on heart attacks lol and Lilly probably did it because she was panicking and couldn't do anything else
The one breath doesnt mean he started breathing on his own. Here read this.
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hospital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
Yeah, cause the idiotic redneck would know that a man that took a breath was dead huh?
He's a doct- oh wait. He's actually a fisherman. So I don't think medical treatments are his thing.
No , and you get that a lot, all to keep your offensive behaviour going eh
I thought you left because of this , and you come back and alm… moreost instantly you go on ranting to everyone, and you call us dumb? PleASE ....
Why do you keep coming back to me and then say i stalk you?
I really didnt understand anything you meant on your first sentence.
I left because wow had an expansion and i have been playing +16 hour… mores each day. No time for stuff like this.
Why do you keep coming back to me and then say i stalk you?
You started talking to me? Look at the discussion. You just randomly join in and then accuse me of coming to you.
I had to Because you were (in your eyes right again) talking Bullshit about holy jane who farts rainbows and has a superjane cape on her front coming out somewhere
What bullshit was i talking about? Rest of your message is random shit again which i dont understand.
And i answered your message since the thread was closed and i was away for 10 days.
Or well you know, she could have atleast tried to say the baby is safe. Pretty sure Jane could have juked Kenny around that slide. She might be able to outrun him and yell stuff like ''AJ is alive'' but she didnt even bother.
All the more reason the dumb hick should have waited for a sign of life or death before assuming that he was right and just went ahead with Operation: Murder Boner in Affect.
Look, justify murder anyway you see fit too. Either way, it was blatantly wrong to kill Larry by crushing his head not but a few inches from his "good pal Lee" and Larry's terrified daughter. As well as young Clementine seeing and possibly being mentally scarred for the rest of her life by the event.
You know else is a neat fact? Larry purposed smashing in Duck's head in episode one, you think it was coincidence that Kenny just happened to notice the heavy saltlicks that were behind him first? No, that motherfucker was harboring a grudge and wanted to kill Larry the same way Larry wanted to kill Duck. He just wanted a reason first. Because, Kenny is a monster.
The one breath doesnt mean he started breathing on his own. Here read this.
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hos… morepital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
That first breath didnt mean anything, many people think it does but that doesnt mean the CPR is working. Just one breath doesnt mean the br… moreeathing process has started and he is breathing on his own.
Quote from a medical website:
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hospital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
This is on Larry and Lilly here, Larry should have had his temper issues under control, they were like what? 3 Months in that motor inn? Larry would be alive if he didnt get so upset about anything.
Your personal perspective doesnt change what actually happened in the game. Kenny never had a spot in Wellington, thus he couldnt have sacrificed his spot so Clem & AJ got in.
Exactly my point.
I was speaking from a personal perspective.
And for that, I get insulted.
This guy has really got it out for Kenny.
… moreIf this guy doesn't like Kenny, that's his problem.
But he doesn't have to tear down the character, everytime someone mentions they like him, and why.
Nor does he have to insult those of us that do like Kenny.
Your personal perspective doesnt change what actually happened in the game. Kenny never had a spot in Wellington, thus he couldnt have sacrificed his spot so Clem & AJ got in.
Look, justify murder anyway you see fit too. Either way, it was blatantly wrong to kill Larry by crushing his head not but a few inches from… more his "good pal Lee" and Larry's terrified daughter. As well as young Clementine seeing and possibly being mentally scarred for the rest of her life by the event.
You know else is a neat fact? Larry purposed smashing in Duck's head in episode one, you think it was coincidence that Kenny just happened to notice the heavy saltlicks that were behind him first? No, that motherfucker was harboring a grudge and wanted to kill Larry the same way Larry wanted to kill Duck. He just wanted a reason first. Because, Kenny is a monster.
1) You don't seem to understand, Jane was faking it the whole time, so you can't excuse anything she said or did. She knew what would happen if she chose to carry out her plan, so she's the perpetrator here, not the victim. None of the sadness she showed was genuine, every word she said was cleverly used in order to push Kenny to the brink, including saying it was an accident without elaborating any further. For such an accident, you'd think she'd be more vocal to prove that she did everything she could to save AJ instead of being silent and allowing Kenny to draw to the conclusion himself. Are you seriously not aware of how conniving Jane is? She told Clem to stay out of it because she planned to kill Kenny, she was going to use his rage as an excuse for having to kill him, and she didn't want Clem to get in the way of that. And why did she need Kenny and Clem to believe AJ was dead? For her own selfish reasons, she's made it very clear that the only reason she came back in the first place was for Clem, she wanted to take Clem away, despite how Clem felt about the matter. And if Clem wouldn't come on her own accord, then she was going to eliminate the obstacles that stood in her way, she was going to force Clem to come with her. And I know your Jane bias wants to make you think she was simply sheathing her weapon, but if she truly didn't want a fight she would have thrown the knife out of reach, not sheathe it where she can draw it in less than a second, which she does in fact do. How do we know Howe's was safe? Last we saw it was crawling with hundreds of walkers, at the time that looked like a pretty bad place to go. The fact of the matter is that Jane is a liar, and she took advantage of two people to get what she wanted.
2) Really now? You think that just any person would think up such an elaborate plan to fake the death of a baby to cause an already damaged man to snap so they could keep a child to themselves? This is just a normal thought process right, to deceive every person you don't get along with so you have an excuse to kill them and get what you want in the end right? What kind of realistic world do you live in? So you're saying that it would have been ok if she left AJ to die simply because he couldn't protect himself, just because he was an infant. You think nobody else knew that? Of course they did, but that's not going to stop them from trying, he's an infant, and it's the adult's job to keep him safe no matter what. What kind of person would abandon a baby purposely? Anybody who can rationalize leaving a baby to die in such a cold and calculating way has some serious problems, ie; Jane. She didn't have to travel with Kenny if she didn't want to, she came on her own accord. And Clem can make decisions for herself, if she wanted to leave at one point when AJ was in a safe place with Jane, she could have. Jane taking it upon herself to kill Kenny so Clem would have to go with her is extremely manipulative, and it is in no way excusable, she used Clem and Kenny as though they were tools.
I will accuse her, because she was in the wrong. Uh, maybe because he and his girlfriend had just been kidnapped, his shelter stolen, and his friend killed by a madman? Due to a group's problems he had nothing to do with, you wouldn't be pretty pissed off about being dragged into that? Not to mention, that because Kenny had been shooting at Carver and his crew, it's very likely that he was going to be killed for that, and nobody in the cabin group was confident that Carver wouldn't kill him and Sarita, because they weren't apart of the group in the first place. And honestly, because they spent the whole time arguing in the truck, we have no way of knowing if his plan to jump them wouldn't have worked. So, no point in discussing speculative topics. In the end, nothing happened, so this is not valid support for your claim.
3) How about back off and leave? Ask Clem then and there if she wants to go, and regardless of the decision Clem makes, Jane leaves either way. Had it not been for Jane's hatred for Kenny, nobody would have died. Kenny fled outside, he obviously didn't want to continue the fight. He doesn't resume the fight until she threatens his life. No he didn't actually, he expressed he didn't like her, but nothing about wanting to kill her. He doesn't want to kill her until she tells him she wants him dead. Again, she coerced this reaction out of Kenny, she knew how he'd react if AJ was presumed to be dead. So there isn't any reason to say she was a victim here or that it was all self defense when she was the willing catalyst of this incident. It's like walking into a bear's cave, taking it's bear cub after punching the bear in the face, and then being surprised when it wants/tries to kill you.
He was wary of people he had just met a couple days ago, and he wasn't going to alter his original plans to go to Wellington with Sarita for these people he didn't even know. Bonnie and Mike left because they didn't like that he wouldn't do what they wanted, so then they go on to try to steal the vehicle that Kenny got running by himself, and all the supplies leaving two kids to die in the cold. If you try to justify that you're justifying condemning two kids to death. In the end, Kenny was rightfully wary of them, because they screwed him, Clem, AJ, and Jane over. They still leave with Arvo even after he shot an 11 year old girl. So using them as support for the point you're attempting to assert doesn't really work either.
Nope, Jane is the second cruelest character in the game after Carver. She used a baby as a prop for her own agenda, sent an already unstable man over the edge on purpose, and took advantage of a little girl, and tried to force Clem into coming with her because she reminded her of her sister. A sister that she left for dead, I might add.
Yes, she is. There's one thing being realistic about it, but implying that you want to get rid of a baby who didn't choose to be born as if he's some kind of parasite is pretty messed up. Of course it's going to make things a lot harder, but there's nothing they can do now that he's born. Unless you think it's justifiable to kill an infant simply because things will be more difficult with having him there. Complaining about how having a kid in the apocalypse is a stupid thing to do isn't going to change the reality that the baby's here, so now they need to protect him. If they just abandon him because he's a liability they would be sacrificing their humanity. Not to mention, that would be incredibly selfish. I can see why you like Jane.
You don't give up on people you love or consider family. The girl is fickle as hell, and dips the minute something isn't going her way. She didn't save Rebecca and Clem because she wanted to, they were there and begging her for help, so she told them to follow her, but that isn't an active or willing rescue at all. She seem annoyed with them seeing her and flagging her down for help tbh. She still says you should have left Sarah in the trailer, even if you save her. Pretty awful thing to say when Sarah's right there. She stayed down there because Clem was still down there, Clem is the only person she cared that lived or died, because she reminded her of her dead sister. And I repeat, she left that sister to die. It doesn't matter if she dragged her sister along for months or that her sister was so depressed she wanted to die, she gave up on her only family and let her get eaten by walkers. That is a terrible thing to do. All you're proving is that Jane's world starts to revolve around Clem, and that she wants to make Clem come with her despite the girl wanting to stay with her friends. Yes, it was so thoughtful of her to leave a baby in nothing but a blanket in a broken down car in the middle of a blizzard. So nice, want to know what would have been nicer? If she had told the truth to Kenny during the many chances she had, if she didn't carry out such a cruel plan in the first place, if she brought AJ to the rest stop like she could have, and should have, but actively chose not to. Honestly, you call me a Kenny fanboy, but I would never try to justify such a sick and manipulative deed, even if Kenny was in her place. But he wouldn't be in that position, because he's not a liar and a manipulator.
You don't know that. And we never will know how he would have reacted if AJ was actually lost, he freaked out on Jane because her story, or lack thereof, wasn't adding up. And knowing Jane's track record, who wouldn't come to the conclusion that she purposely let AJ die? Especially if you barely know this person, and she's already ditched your group before. Everybody abandoned each other in the walker hoard, they were in the midst of chaos, and everyone got separated because of this, it wasn't intentional. And, again, this isn't a valid source of support due to the circumstances. If Clem and Rebecca hadn't come across Jane and begged her for help, Jane most definitely wouldn't have came back for them. And Kenny apologizes for that, the guy just lost another person he loves right in front of him and he was powerless to stop it. He was grieving, and he took out his anger on the last family he had, which happened to be Clem. The things he said weren't fair at all, but everybody knows that we lash out at the people we care about most when something tragic happens. And, again,* he apologized for it*, knowing he was in the wrong. Helpless Arvo huh? Because he's so innocent right? A guy who led his group to ambush and rob Kenny's group only an hour or so earlier. A group who had guns and tried to kill Clem and her group when they didn't get their way. Yep, no need to be angry at Arvo for that at all. Kenny shouldn't have beat the shit out of him, but the anger he felt towards him is definitely understandable, seeing as in one instance Arvo was withholding information/having been apart of the group that just tried to rob them, and in the other, Luke had just drowned after Arvo decided to bolt on the frozen pond when walkers showed up, making it look like he knew this would happen and was trying use it as an opportunity to escape.
What don't you understand about him being beyond saving? If you knew anything about heart attack treatment, you'd know that. It wasn't a breath he took, that was him reanimating, Telltale only made it look like he took a breath to make the player think they made the wrong decision, but the fact of the matter is that a heavily built, beast of a man was dead, and he was going to turn in a locked room where there were other people, including a child, who were in danger of being eaten by him. His wife having shot herself in the head right in front of him and his barely conscious son seconds prior doesn't excuse Kenny struggling for a few seconds to shoot Duck? You don't think it's exceedingly difficult to have to shoot your own child in the head, even if they're about to turn and you know there's no saving them? Now, that's just heartless. And the difference between Larry and Duck is they were locked in a room with Larry, no weapons to defend themselves, and the guy is 200-280 pounds, that's freaking huge, and they wouldn't have been able to subdue him once he turned. With Duck, they were in the middle of the woods, had weapons, and the kid was barely 70 pounds, which can be easily subdued by two grown men. One was an active threat, the other wasn't. Never said she was evil, just said she was a despicable person. I know you're new here, but this is like the thousandth time I've debated with someone who has points completely identical to yours, so nothing you've presented is original in any sense. No fun at all really, maybe I shouldn't have replied, I didn't know this was going to be so predictable.:/
1) Wrong. Jane told Kenny it was an accident, but Kenny didn't care. Of course she didn't make eye contact, as she was trying to convey sham… moree and sadness over an action (killing AJ) she didn't do. She told Clem to stay out of it because she knew when Kenny came back that there would be a fight, and that Kenny would try to kill her, or at least fight her; she didn't want Clem getting in the middle of the fight, and possibly getting hurt. Her not telling Clem where AJ, the prop baby, is was because she needed Kenny to believe he was dead. I also know that if Kenny had not charged her after she sheathed her weapon (I know your Kenny bias wants to say it her goading him, but her sheathing her weapon was simply that, her sheathing her weapon; it makes her come off as the less hostile of the two), he would've proven her wrong about him....I already said this.I know she planned it; could you not tell from my previous posts?
2) It's cruel, and dec… [view original content]
Wow!
You really lit in to this guy.
And in the process, again exposed Jane for what she truly was.
Jane and Lilly were two sides of a counterfeit coin!
As Lilly was really only looking out for herself, as she clearly demonstrated when she stole the Rv, so to Jane demonstrated that she was the same way.
1) You don't seem to understand, Jane was faking it the whole time, so you can't excuse anything she said or did. She knew what would happen… more if she chose to carry out her plan, so she's the perpetrator here, not the victim. None of the sadness she showed was genuine, every word she said was cleverly used in order to push Kenny to the brink, including saying it was an accident without elaborating any further. For such an accident, you'd think she'd be more vocal to prove that she did everything she could to save AJ instead of being silent and allowing Kenny to draw to the conclusion himself. Are you seriously not aware of how conniving Jane is? She told Clem to stay out of it because she planned to kill Kenny, she was going to use his rage as an excuse for having to kill him, and she didn't want Clem to get in the way of that. And why did she need Kenny and Clem to believe AJ was dead? For her own selfish reasons, she's made it very clear that… [view original content]
i still dont think its murder if its for assumed protection. Murder would imply he's just trying to get rid of larry, except he wants to get rid of a walker, not larry
All the more reason the dumb hick should have waited for a sign of life or death before assuming that he was right and just went ahead with Operation: Murder Boner in Affect.
Larry wasn't a walker though, which is my problem with Kenny taking an initiative that was far from necessary.
I could understand if Kenny was waiting over Larry with the saltlick in case Larry shot his eyes open then went to violently grab Lee or Lily. But no, he just assumed Larry was dead. Why didn't his son get a similar treatment in episode 3?
Because he wanted Larry to be given the same treatment Larry threatened his son with. To smash in his head. Just he wanted there to be a scenario where he could "get away with it."
i still dont think its murder if its for assumed protection. Murder would imply he's just trying to get rid of larry, except he wants to get rid of a walker, not larry
Larry wasn't a walker though, which is my problem with Kenny taking an initiative that was far from necessary.
I could understand if Kenn… morey was waiting over Larry with the saltlick in case Larry shot his eyes open then went to violently grab Lee or Lily. But no, he just assumed Larry was dead. Why didn't his son get a similar treatment in episode 3?
Because he wanted Larry to be given the same treatment Larry threatened his son with. To smash in his head. Just he wanted there to be a scenario where he could "get away with it."
You are funny. One minute you are talking about how it's justified to leave a baby to die, the next you're talking about innocent until proven guilty like Kenny could just call the cops on her. At any time she could have told Kenny the truth stop what was happening. She chose to escalate things.
I really didnt understand anything you meant on your first sentence.
I left because wow had an expansion and i have been playing +16 hour… mores each day. No time for stuff like this.
Why do you keep coming back to me and then say i stalk you?
You started talking to me? Look at the discussion. You just randomly join in and then accuse me of coming to you.
What do you mean "no actual evidence"? Kenny IS a hypocrite, and he DID do to Larry what Larry wanted to do to Duck...which Kenny then got pissed about.
Then he has the audacity to believe that Lilly should just get over it.
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Yeah me too
Most of the characters did things that could hurt the others a lot, shooting doug/carley won't be forgotten but in the ZA you have to act and judge PER day
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Well thats only going to make me think you dont have any actual response, so you use the insult as an excuse to drop out from the conversation.
Its called euthanasia. Mercy killing sounds more like something you do to wild animal which got hit by car and didnt die.
Nope but your responces just like this one , shows why people don't respond here , there is no normal conversation with you all you do is picking fights (the way you respond here)
Your PM was that i in your eyes don't know sarcasm(i do very well and thats why i was done talking because you change from serious to sarcasm in a heartbeat and if they don't see it they are stupid but they don't know that you in your head think"sarcasm"or "serious") and you do that to everyone , people scratch their heads when you respond in a very offensive way and those people are immedialtly done talking to you because of your childish behaviour
Just like i am now , done talking to someone who is just picking fights with anyone who talks to them
You have said you are done talking with me multiple times, yet you always start talking with me again. Make up your mind already.
not murder if he was trying to save himself and the others in the room
It will depend on how she is. If she understand that killing Doug/Carley was wrong, maybe in saying : "Now I know that I made a big mistake, and I will never forgive myself for what I have done", I think I can forgive her. But, if she still a bitch about it and say : "It had to be done"(Carver words), I will not have mercy for her.
You said it more often then me, and now you started PM'ing me
So you make up your mind... because this week you won't talk to me and the others you wouldn't respond to and the other week you will "talk"(Telling then they are all wrong and you are so superiour blabbering the whole time) to those members
No , and you get that a lot, all to keep your offensive behaviour going eh
I thought you left because of this , and you come back and almost instantly you go on ranting to everyone, and you call us dumb? PleASE ....
Why do you keep coming back to me and then say i stalk you?
@Kenny-Lee I'm not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your reply is the bottom of the chain of comments.
Can everyone please stop this argument before it gets out of hand.
I would like to remind everyone of the respect rule in the Forum Guidelines
Also if someone is insulting somebody else via PM this can also be reported to a moderator via PM. Just because it's in a private message it doesn't mean someone can get away with insults, we would look into it and assess if any further action would need to be taken depending on the severity of the insults.
1) Wrong. Jane told Kenny it was an accident, but Kenny didn't care. Of course she didn't make eye contact, as she was trying to convey shame and sadness over an action (killing AJ) she didn't do. She told Clem to stay out of it because she knew when Kenny came back that there would be a fight, and that Kenny would try to kill her, or at least fight her; she didn't want Clem getting in the middle of the fight, and possibly getting hurt. Her not telling Clem where AJ, the prop baby, is was because she needed Kenny to believe he was dead. I also know that if Kenny had not charged her after she sheathed her weapon (I know your Kenny bias wants to say it her goading him, but her sheathing her weapon was simply that, her sheathing her weapon; it makes her come off as the less hostile of the two), he would've proven her wrong about him....I already said this.I know she planned it; could you not tell from my previous posts?
2) It's cruel, and deceitful, but it something that would eventually happen realistically. Better to fake it now, rather than let it happen for real, where they're surrounded by walkers, or hostile humans. Everything she said was valid, because there's no possible way to realistically protect a newborn in a zombie apocalypse, where food is scarce, and danger is always not far behind. AJ dying was going to happen. In fact it should've already happened really, or he should've at least got really sick seeing as he went without food, and warmth, for days after being born. He also should've cried out after Jane left him alone as well, in hunger and because he was cold, but he hardly ever acted like a real baby. Too bad Telltale wrote him to be a prop/plot device, rather than a actual baby that was born a just recently. She was manipulative because she was not willing to let Clem, or herself, continue to travel with a ticking time bomb. She only lied to Clem that one time, and she wanted to go back to Howe's knowing that the department store was their best chance at finding food for them, and formula for AJ. Going to Wellington, where it could be anyone there, and where they don't know if they have formula was more of a risk.
Also don't accuse only Jane of trying to get her way, as Kenny had been shoving his weight and opinion around the the whole fucking season. What would've happened if he hadn't bumped into the truck door and got knocked down? He was willing to put everyone's lives at risk for some bullshit escape attempt. If Troy, or Carver, open fire,seeing as EVERYONE was in one place, there's a good chance people would've died unnecessarily.
3) Yeah, after the guy says he wants to kill her, and just attempted to kill her, what do you fucking expect her to say? "Let's go give him a hug."? Kenny already expressed wanting her death, and just leaving wasn't gonna stop him from coming back after catching his breath/recuperating. Also, Clem wasn't going to just leave either of them, so one of them had to die before any decision on leaving could be made once Kenny made it quite clear to everyone that he wanted to kill her, or at least beat her, like he beat Arvo.
Isn't Kenny cruel? Constantly beating a helpless person, that had no hope of fighting back? Why is alienating the rest of the group constantly? That's why Mike and Bonnie left!
Nobody was a cruel as Carver, Kenny fanboy, and Jane is only cruel when she tricks Kenny.
Yes, she's so horrible for seeing a newborn baby in a zombie apocalypse as a liability. Oh wait....he IS a liability. To have kids in this world as it is now is reckless, and cruel, to both the child and those who've made it their responsibility to protect the mom and child. Food and shelter aren't a guarantee, and now they have to provide for a newborn...in the freezing winter?
She abandons people who don't want to help themselves, or are lost causes, but even then did you forget that she saved Clem and Rebecca from the walker horde when Rebecca was too scared to move, or that, if you stay to convince Sarah to leave the trailer, she doesn't climb up until she knows the girls are out and safe first, or that she didn't just leave when Clem left her at the gift shop alone, or that she came back to save them from that Russian guy? Seriously, if she wanted to just get rid of the baby, and just leave the situation, she could've just dropped AJ in front of some walkers, and left, or enact her plan after actually killing the baby. But she actually cares about Clem's opinion/feelings and the baby's safety, so she placed him in a car that's safe enough from walkers.
She was right. If anything happened to that baby, which would've inevitably happened, then he would've gone apeshit crazy. Better to reveal it now, rather than have it happen in a worse situation where he puts people in danger....like when he just abandon's Clem, the girl who just saved them from getting shot by Carver, in the walker horde, no matter how you deal with Sarita. The guy then puts all blame on Clem later. Kenny was a danger, and he only escalated situations with his yelling at everyone, and beating of a helpless Arvo.
It doesn't matter if Larry was likely dead, to just smash his head in without warning, AFTER HE TAKES A FUCKING BREATH, in front on the man's protective daughter, and then just expect her to get over it was cruel of him. Then when it's time to kill his infected son, you have to fight him to convince him to do what "had to be done" (even then he struggles do it; yeah Katjaa committed suicide, but that doesn't change the situation, or the fact that his son needed to die), and then acts like a hypocrite with the Sarita situation, and leaves an 11 year old in horde of walkers. If not for the "evil" Jane, Clem, Rebecca and the unborn AJ would've all died, either via walker, gunshot, or both.
Both Jane, and Kenny, had flaws, but only Kenny's flaws put people in danger, and dissolved the group moral.
if you tried to save Larry and you pushed his stomach exactly 4 for times in the time that the game gave you , Larry will breath :P
That first breath didnt mean anything, many people think it does but that doesnt mean the CPR is working. Just one breath doesnt mean the breathing process has started and he is breathing on his own.
Quote from a medical website:
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hospital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
This is on Larry and Lilly here, Larry should have had his temper issues under control, they were like what? 3 Months in that motor inn? Larry would be alive if he didnt get so upset about anything.
The one breath doesnt mean he started breathing on his own. Here read this.
According to the study, the chance of surviving an out−of−hospital heart attack long enough to be eventually discharged from a hospital is only 7.6%, roughly 1 out of 13. While knowledge of how to treat heart attacks has increased substantially, this has not translated into more lives saved.
I really didnt understand anything you meant on your first sentence.
I left because wow had an expansion and i have been playing +16 hours each day. No time for stuff like this.
You started talking to me? Look at the discussion. You just randomly join in and then accuse me of coming to you.
i know that, but kenny didnt
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What bullshit was i talking about? Rest of your message is random shit again which i dont understand.
And i answered your message since the thread was closed and i was away for 10 days.
Do you really think that Kenny would just let that slide?
All the more reason the dumb hick should have waited for a sign of life or death before assuming that he was right and just went ahead with Operation: Murder Boner in Affect.
Look, justify murder anyway you see fit too. Either way, it was blatantly wrong to kill Larry by crushing his head not but a few inches from his "good pal Lee" and Larry's terrified daughter. As well as young Clementine seeing and possibly being mentally scarred for the rest of her life by the event.
You know else is a neat fact? Larry purposed smashing in Duck's head in episode one, you think it was coincidence that Kenny just happened to notice the heavy saltlicks that were behind him first? No, that motherfucker was harboring a grudge and wanted to kill Larry the same way Larry wanted to kill Duck. He just wanted a reason first. Because, Kenny is a monster.
Well considered he found out that the new people he met turned out to be cannibals and cut off marks legs
Your personal perspective doesnt change what actually happened in the game. Kenny never had a spot in Wellington, thus he couldnt have sacrificed his spot so Clem & AJ got in.
Clem and AJ never had a spot either, until he begged.
And the only reason they got in was because they were young. Kenny isnt 11 years old "harmless" and "innocent" girl.
How can you murder whats already dead?
Kenny found a way.
You just have to be evil enough, I suppose.
1) You don't seem to understand, Jane was faking it the whole time, so you can't excuse anything she said or did. She knew what would happen if she chose to carry out her plan, so she's the perpetrator here, not the victim. None of the sadness she showed was genuine, every word she said was cleverly used in order to push Kenny to the brink, including saying it was an accident without elaborating any further. For such an accident, you'd think she'd be more vocal to prove that she did everything she could to save AJ instead of being silent and allowing Kenny to draw to the conclusion himself. Are you seriously not aware of how conniving Jane is? She told Clem to stay out of it because she planned to kill Kenny, she was going to use his rage as an excuse for having to kill him, and she didn't want Clem to get in the way of that. And why did she need Kenny and Clem to believe AJ was dead? For her own selfish reasons, she's made it very clear that the only reason she came back in the first place was for Clem, she wanted to take Clem away, despite how Clem felt about the matter. And if Clem wouldn't come on her own accord, then she was going to eliminate the obstacles that stood in her way, she was going to force Clem to come with her. And I know your Jane bias wants to make you think she was simply sheathing her weapon, but if she truly didn't want a fight she would have thrown the knife out of reach, not sheathe it where she can draw it in less than a second, which she does in fact do. How do we know Howe's was safe? Last we saw it was crawling with hundreds of walkers, at the time that looked like a pretty bad place to go. The fact of the matter is that Jane is a liar, and she took advantage of two people to get what she wanted.
2) Really now? You think that just any person would think up such an elaborate plan to fake the death of a baby to cause an already damaged man to snap so they could keep a child to themselves? This is just a normal thought process right, to deceive every person you don't get along with so you have an excuse to kill them and get what you want in the end right? What kind of realistic world do you live in? So you're saying that it would have been ok if she left AJ to die simply because he couldn't protect himself, just because he was an infant. You think nobody else knew that? Of course they did, but that's not going to stop them from trying, he's an infant, and it's the adult's job to keep him safe no matter what. What kind of person would abandon a baby purposely? Anybody who can rationalize leaving a baby to die in such a cold and calculating way has some serious problems, ie; Jane. She didn't have to travel with Kenny if she didn't want to, she came on her own accord. And Clem can make decisions for herself, if she wanted to leave at one point when AJ was in a safe place with Jane, she could have. Jane taking it upon herself to kill Kenny so Clem would have to go with her is extremely manipulative, and it is in no way excusable, she used Clem and Kenny as though they were tools.
I will accuse her, because she was in the wrong. Uh, maybe because he and his girlfriend had just been kidnapped, his shelter stolen, and his friend killed by a madman? Due to a group's problems he had nothing to do with, you wouldn't be pretty pissed off about being dragged into that? Not to mention, that because Kenny had been shooting at Carver and his crew, it's very likely that he was going to be killed for that, and nobody in the cabin group was confident that Carver wouldn't kill him and Sarita, because they weren't apart of the group in the first place. And honestly, because they spent the whole time arguing in the truck, we have no way of knowing if his plan to jump them wouldn't have worked. So, no point in discussing speculative topics. In the end, nothing happened, so this is not valid support for your claim.
3) How about back off and leave? Ask Clem then and there if she wants to go, and regardless of the decision Clem makes, Jane leaves either way. Had it not been for Jane's hatred for Kenny, nobody would have died. Kenny fled outside, he obviously didn't want to continue the fight. He doesn't resume the fight until she threatens his life. No he didn't actually, he expressed he didn't like her, but nothing about wanting to kill her. He doesn't want to kill her until she tells him she wants him dead. Again, she coerced this reaction out of Kenny, she knew how he'd react if AJ was presumed to be dead. So there isn't any reason to say she was a victim here or that it was all self defense when she was the willing catalyst of this incident. It's like walking into a bear's cave, taking it's bear cub after punching the bear in the face, and then being surprised when it wants/tries to kill you.
He was wary of people he had just met a couple days ago, and he wasn't going to alter his original plans to go to Wellington with Sarita for these people he didn't even know. Bonnie and Mike left because they didn't like that he wouldn't do what they wanted, so then they go on to try to steal the vehicle that Kenny got running by himself, and all the supplies leaving two kids to die in the cold. If you try to justify that you're justifying condemning two kids to death. In the end, Kenny was rightfully wary of them, because they screwed him, Clem, AJ, and Jane over. They still leave with Arvo even after he shot an 11 year old girl. So using them as support for the point you're attempting to assert doesn't really work either.
Nope, Jane is the second cruelest character in the game after Carver. She used a baby as a prop for her own agenda, sent an already unstable man over the edge on purpose, and took advantage of a little girl, and tried to force Clem into coming with her because she reminded her of her sister. A sister that she left for dead, I might add.
Yes, she is. There's one thing being realistic about it, but implying that you want to get rid of a baby who didn't choose to be born as if he's some kind of parasite is pretty messed up. Of course it's going to make things a lot harder, but there's nothing they can do now that he's born. Unless you think it's justifiable to kill an infant simply because things will be more difficult with having him there. Complaining about how having a kid in the apocalypse is a stupid thing to do isn't going to change the reality that the baby's here, so now they need to protect him. If they just abandon him because he's a liability they would be sacrificing their humanity. Not to mention, that would be incredibly selfish. I can see why you like Jane.
You don't give up on people you love or consider family. The girl is fickle as hell, and dips the minute something isn't going her way. She didn't save Rebecca and Clem because she wanted to, they were there and begging her for help, so she told them to follow her, but that isn't an active or willing rescue at all. She seem annoyed with them seeing her and flagging her down for help tbh. She still says you should have left Sarah in the trailer, even if you save her. Pretty awful thing to say when Sarah's right there. She stayed down there because Clem was still down there, Clem is the only person she cared that lived or died, because she reminded her of her dead sister. And I repeat, she left that sister to die. It doesn't matter if she dragged her sister along for months or that her sister was so depressed she wanted to die, she gave up on her only family and let her get eaten by walkers. That is a terrible thing to do. All you're proving is that Jane's world starts to revolve around Clem, and that she wants to make Clem come with her despite the girl wanting to stay with her friends. Yes, it was so thoughtful of her to leave a baby in nothing but a blanket in a broken down car in the middle of a blizzard. So nice, want to know what would have been nicer? If she had told the truth to Kenny during the many chances she had, if she didn't carry out such a cruel plan in the first place, if she brought AJ to the rest stop like she could have, and should have, but actively chose not to. Honestly, you call me a Kenny fanboy, but I would never try to justify such a sick and manipulative deed, even if Kenny was in her place. But he wouldn't be in that position, because he's not a liar and a manipulator.
You don't know that. And we never will know how he would have reacted if AJ was actually lost, he freaked out on Jane because her story, or lack thereof, wasn't adding up. And knowing Jane's track record, who wouldn't come to the conclusion that she purposely let AJ die? Especially if you barely know this person, and she's already ditched your group before. Everybody abandoned each other in the walker hoard, they were in the midst of chaos, and everyone got separated because of this, it wasn't intentional. And, again, this isn't a valid source of support due to the circumstances. If Clem and Rebecca hadn't come across Jane and begged her for help, Jane most definitely wouldn't have came back for them. And Kenny apologizes for that, the guy just lost another person he loves right in front of him and he was powerless to stop it. He was grieving, and he took out his anger on the last family he had, which happened to be Clem. The things he said weren't fair at all, but everybody knows that we lash out at the people we care about most when something tragic happens. And, again,* he apologized for it*, knowing he was in the wrong. Helpless Arvo huh? Because he's so innocent right? A guy who led his group to ambush and rob Kenny's group only an hour or so earlier. A group who had guns and tried to kill Clem and her group when they didn't get their way. Yep, no need to be angry at Arvo for that at all. Kenny shouldn't have beat the shit out of him, but the anger he felt towards him is definitely understandable, seeing as in one instance Arvo was withholding information/having been apart of the group that just tried to rob them, and in the other, Luke had just drowned after Arvo decided to bolt on the frozen pond when walkers showed up, making it look like he knew this would happen and was trying use it as an opportunity to escape.
What don't you understand about him being beyond saving? If you knew anything about heart attack treatment, you'd know that. It wasn't a breath he took, that was him reanimating, Telltale only made it look like he took a breath to make the player think they made the wrong decision, but the fact of the matter is that a heavily built, beast of a man was dead, and he was going to turn in a locked room where there were other people, including a child, who were in danger of being eaten by him. His wife having shot herself in the head right in front of him and his barely conscious son seconds prior doesn't excuse Kenny struggling for a few seconds to shoot Duck? You don't think it's exceedingly difficult to have to shoot your own child in the head, even if they're about to turn and you know there's no saving them? Now, that's just heartless. And the difference between Larry and Duck is they were locked in a room with Larry, no weapons to defend themselves, and the guy is 200-280 pounds, that's freaking huge, and they wouldn't have been able to subdue him once he turned. With Duck, they were in the middle of the woods, had weapons, and the kid was barely 70 pounds, which can be easily subdued by two grown men. One was an active threat, the other wasn't. Never said she was evil, just said she was a despicable person. I know you're new here, but this is like the thousandth time I've debated with someone who has points completely identical to yours, so nothing you've presented is original in any sense. No fun at all really, maybe I shouldn't have replied, I didn't know this was going to be so predictable.:/
Hey, I'm not a fortune teller, how was I supposed to know this would happen lol.
Lily...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fljxsHlHhQ&feature=player_detailpage
Yea dude Kenny is so evil.
Well, he "killed what is already dead."
Which is both quite evil and ignorant to pull off. Hell, by that logic. Necrophilia is cool too, it's dead so who cares? Right?
Wow!
You really lit in to this guy.
And in the process, again exposed Jane for what she truly was.
Jane and Lilly were two sides of a counterfeit coin!
As Lilly was really only looking out for herself, as she clearly demonstrated when she stole the Rv, so to Jane demonstrated that she was the same way.
i still dont think its murder if its for assumed protection. Murder would imply he's just trying to get rid of larry, except he wants to get rid of a walker, not larry
Larry wasn't a walker though, which is my problem with Kenny taking an initiative that was far from necessary.
I could understand if Kenny was waiting over Larry with the saltlick in case Larry shot his eyes open then went to violently grab Lee or Lily. But no, he just assumed Larry was dead. Why didn't his son get a similar treatment in episode 3?
Because he wanted Larry to be given the same treatment Larry threatened his son with. To smash in his head. Just he wanted there to be a scenario where he could "get away with it."
no actual evidence of this, but everyone has a different perspective on kenny so ye.
You are funny. One minute you are talking about how it's justified to leave a baby to die, the next you're talking about innocent until proven guilty like Kenny could just call the cops on her. At any time she could have told Kenny the truth stop what was happening. She chose to escalate things.
What do you mean "no actual evidence"? Kenny IS a hypocrite, and he DID do to Larry what Larry wanted to do to Duck...which Kenny then got pissed about.
Then he has the audacity to believe that Lilly should just get over it.