It's deliberately vague, and if I'm in a charitable mood I'd say that that inspires discussion. But I'm not, and I think it's just lazy non-committal writing that tries to avoid controversy. Some people are unwilling to think that certain characters are capable of rape unless it's literally committed on-screen, and since that will clearly never happen in an M-Rated game without a backlash this ambiguity is the closest we'll ever get to having an answer.
Point being that, considering what an utter shit Carver is in his current characterization, I don't put it beyond him to rape a woman who despises him and who he's willing to murder once she defies him too many times. And since that's the case, I find it silly to blame Rebecca for having "unprotected sex" when the 'affair' happened in the safety of Howe's.
It's been two years since society's collapsed, and Carver is secure enough to think it's time to form a new one. Why else would he bother taking the risk of impregnating someone? It might sound counter-productive to Americans, but people in impoverished areas tend to have more babies because the mortality rate is also higher. If your farm is raided and three of your kids die, at least you'll have a couple others to pick up the pieces.
Woah, woah, woah!
Calm down there, Bokor. It's not even confirmed that she was raped, and more implied that it was free-will. I'm all for… more Rebecca, I love Rebecca. Can't say I though that almost a year ago, but I do now.
Not a good image for you to accuse rape when it's not implied nor confirmed.
It's deliberately vague, and if I'm in a charitable mood I'd say that that inspires discussion. But I'm not, and I think it's just lazy non… more-committal writing that tries to avoid controversy. Some people are unwilling to think that certain characters are capable of rape unless it's literally committed on-screen, and since that will clearly never happen in an M-Rated game without a backlash this ambiguity is the closest we'll ever get to having an answer.
Point being that, considering what an utter shit Carver is in his current characterization, I don't put it beyond him to rape a woman who despises him and who he's willing to murder once she defies him too many times. And since that's the case, I find it silly to blame Rebecca for having "unprotected sex" when the 'affair' happened in the safety of Howe's.
It's been two years since society's collapsed, and Carver is secure enough to think it's time to form a new one. Why else would h… [view original content]
I don't care about my 'image' on a game forum, or about accusing a video-game villain of doing something villainous.
I'm replying to the OP with a reason for why people would bother having babies in a shitty situation, and why Rebecca's "stupid choice" wasn't actually stupid when Carver impregnated her while inside Howe's.
And I'll even argue that the cabin where Clem first met Rebecca would have been a decent place for the baby to be born and raised. The only reason why it was abandoned was precisely because Carver was stalking her.
Lol if the fans paid attention more the facts is Rebecca was raped and forced to be with Carver after Alvin killed his best friend George. Carver's minds is: Take something from me, I'll take something from you.
And Jane she's just another Carol doing what's best for the group.
I don't think she was raped. If she was, why would she be worried about Alvin "killing her", if it wasn't his. Wouldn't he be more supportive and understanding? They didn't have the best marriage. I think that, "back in the day" she just slipped up and banged Carver. (Probably regretted instantly)
Lol if the fans paid attention more the facts is Rebecca was raped and forced to be with Carver after Alvin killed his best friend George. C… morearver's minds is: Take something from me, I'll take something from you.
And Jane she's just another Carol doing what's best for the group.
I don't care about my 'image' on a game forum, or about accusing a video-game villain of doing something villainous.
I'm replying to the … moreOP with a reason for why people would bother having babies in a shitty situation, and why Rebecca's "stupid choice" wasn't actually stupid when Carver impregnated her while inside Howe's.
And I'll even argue that the cabin where Clem first met Rebecca would have been a decent place for the baby to be born and raised. The only reason why it was abandoned was precisely because Carver was stalking her.
Lol if the fans paid attention more the facts is Rebecca was raped and forced to be with Carver after Alvin killed his best friend George.
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no lol
Alvin killed George while ESCAPING the camp. Which he did, hence why they were at a cabin. It's not even confirmed that she was raped, and it was implied that it was free-will.
And Jane she's just another Carol doing what's best for the group.
You can NOT compare those two together. They are complete opposites.
Lol if the fans paid attention more the facts is Rebecca was raped and forced to be with Carver after Alvin killed his best friend George. C… morearver's minds is: Take something from me, I'll take something from you.
And Jane she's just another Carol doing what's best for the group.
I don't think she was raped. If she was, why would she be worried about Alvin "killing her", if it wasn't his. Wouldn't he be more supportiv… moree and understanding? They didn't have the best marriage. I think that, "back in the day" she just slipped up and banged Carver. (Probably regretted instantly)
Wasn't there an audio file that hints at the fact that Carver may have raped Rebecca ? If it's the case, then obviously it wasn't her fault. And I think that it's what happened because she had Alvin and she seems to really love him, so why go sleep with Carver ?
For me most things hinted towards rebecca being with Carver on her own will. So for me yeah it was reckless and Jane has every right to question it similalry jane having sex with luke was reckless
I think Rebecca either got raped by/cheated with Carver, or did the do with Alvin in Howe's before Carver went crazy with power and turned the place into a prison.
Considering AJ's race and appearance, I think the latter is more likely.
Also she calls him by his nickname, Bill, which nobody else does
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and think you hadn't played Season 2 In Harm's Way in a while. Bonnie, Luke, Tavia, Russell, Bad Luck Vince, Wyatt, Troy, Reggie have all called him by his nickname at least once.
Sure not. But Rebecca acted strangely when the conversation turned to this subject and felt guilty when talking about this - bathroom and lodge scenes or even Clementine asking Rebecca why Carver was after her. It seemed like she tried to hide it from Alvin, which wouldn't have been the case if Carver raped her, especially since Alvin knew that there was something between them.
Coming from a monster who pretty much treats her as his property and portrays Alvin as a cold-blooded murderer, should we take everything he says at face-value?
And yeah, blame Rebecca for getting raped. Blame Carver for raping someone in the safety of his own fortress. Blame them for not thinking … more9 months ahead.
How can you call Rebecca short-sighted for getting impregnated when Jane literally does the same thing?
I'll give you that. To me, Rebecca doesn't seem like she was raped. No one around her thinks about if she was raped. To me, it seems like she started to cheat on Alvin, then realized how crazy Carver was. That is just my opinion.
Problem is that this is all guess-work because Telltale couldn't be bothered to provide many concrete details about their relationship. The only reason why it's been inferred that Rebecca was Carver's 'secretary' is because of a throwaway line she had about giving announcements in his office - beyond that, we don't know what Alvin thought of their affair, who the hell "George" was, or why we should even care who AJ's dad is.
I'll give you that. To me, Rebecca doesn't seem like she was raped. No one around her thinks about if she was raped. To me, it seems like she started to cheat on Alvin, then realized how crazy Carver was. That is just my opinion.
She wasn't.
Why would she say "Alvin will kill me."
Alvin wouldn't blame his wife if she was "raped."
She slept with Carver and tried to run with his kid.
Is it a common misconception that rape is something victims are ok with admitting, or that the victims believe their innocence in the matter will be accepted by others? After all the SHARP classes I've been in I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Fear of telling Alvin she was raped could be just because she doesn't know how he would react. Especially if it was a quid pro quo type of rape where she didn't try to physically resist. There are more types of rape than phyphysical forced rape
Sure not. But Rebecca acted strangely when the conversation turned to this subject and felt guilty when talking about this - bathroom and lo… moredge scenes or even Clementine asking Rebecca why Carver was after her. It seemed like she tried to hide it from Alvin, which wouldn't have been the case if Carver raped her, especially since Alvin knew that there was something between them.
Yeah. In real life, victims of rape are constantly questioned and judged about whether they fought back or not.
Which is why it really pisses me off that we never get much development on Alvin's part. We have no idea how to interpret his killing of George when there's no context provided for why he killed him, or how Alvin felt about it, or how Rebecca felt about Alvin being a killer. All we know is that he's a nice nerd who is capable of killing - but the circumstances behind that are never explained.
Is it a common misconception that rape is something victims are ok with admitting, or that the victims believe their innocence in the matte… morer will be accepted by others? After all the SHARP classes I've been in I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Fear of telling Alvin she was raped could be just because she doesn't know how he would react. Especially if it was a quid pro quo type of rape where she didn't try to physically resist. There are more types of rape than phyphysical forced rape
And I could see victim blaming as a possible occurrence seeing as most of the Howes community was obviously groveling under Carver. Carver himself does is slightly in his "bye Rebecca" speech. I can see why she would keep it a complete secret.
Alvin's was just one of many characters whos arc had no real sense of continuity and importance. Instead, left up to the player to throw out random conjecture trying to connect his traits and personality together through what little dialogue and action they are actually give. In the end he died nearly the same as when he began. A nice guy. We don't get an information about why he killed. None about him and Carver. I'm not sure if we ever even get ininformed he knew anything about Carver and Rebecca.
And to the opposite measure: if the creators did change a character it was too rapidly and oddly placed to even apply to the character. Rebecca and Carlos go from hating Clem's guts and just as willing to let her die / or kill her themselves to putting complete trust and faith in her. After what? Well let's break down the situation a bit more. She shows up at the cabing. She is accused of being a spy. She steals from them to help herself. She leaves the cabin with two members. Two more go to ssearch for her and the others. And she is the only one to return. "Now please watch my daughter while we leave you two alone in the cabin. I trust you completely." Then soon after Rebecca starts asking clementine what she thinks about baby names? Where did that come from? The night prior you wished she was dead, or that she would at least leave and die in the woods. Now you're talking with her like she's a niece after a small apology? Please.
Yeah. In real life, victims of rape are constantly questioned and judged about whether they fought back or not.
Which is why it really p… moreisses me off that we never get much development on Alvin's part. We have no idea how to interpret his killing of George when there's no context provided for why he killed him, or how Alvin felt about it, or how Rebecca felt about Alvin being a killer. All we know is that he's a nice nerd who is capable of killing - but the circumstances behind that are never explained.
I think that the cabin group's characterizations in Episode 2 represented the writer's intentions of making them sympathetic characters better - Breckon went way too hard on making the cabin group act suspicious, to the point that they actually ended up being callous idiots. No matter what happens afterwards, the first impression they leave was too extreme to really make them credible.
Anyway, from what I understand Alvin shot George in the process of escaping Howe's. Carver interpreted it to be a petty act of revenge, but he's a liar.
And I could see victim blaming as a possible occurrence seeing as most of the Howes community was obviously groveling under Carver. Carver h… moreimself does is slightly in his "bye Rebecca" speech. I can see why she would keep it a complete secret.
Alvin's was just one of many characters whos arc had no real sense of continuity and importance. Instead, left up to the player to throw out random conjecture trying to connect his traits and personality together through what little dialogue and action they are actually give. In the end he died nearly the same as when he began. A nice guy. We don't get an information about why he killed. None about him and Carver. I'm not sure if we ever even get ininformed he knew anything about Carver and Rebecca.
And to the opposite measure: if the creators did change a character it was too rapidly and oddly placed to even apply to the character. Rebecca and Carlos go from hating Clem's guts and just as willi… [view original content]
I would also like to add that Jane did in fact have sex with Luke. I have no idea why you're pretending like that didn't happen. For all we know she isn't any better than Rebecca in regards to this topic.
Are you serious?
1) Asking how a person completely dependent on others plans to take care of a newborn in ZA, is common fucking sense. It… more's bad writing that ONLY Jane asked her this, and that everyone was just fine taking care of newborn in the coming winter with no viable shelter, no formula, and no way to keep him quiet, if he starts crying, when sneaking past walkers, or other people. Rebecca is the one being insensitive, as she letting other people be her shield. Mind you, Jane JUST saved her life (when she had no reason to; I mean Kenny gives no fucks when he abandons Clem in the horde, no matter how we handle Sarita) before asking. What if they have to walk thru a horde WITH the baby? You think it's safe to cover an infant in walker remains? What if he starts crying while they're walking thru the horde?
2) No, forcing a child to live thru this nightmare because of your feelings towards him/her is more selfish. The ZA has gone on f… [view original content]
For me most things hinted towards rebecca being with Carver on her own will. So for me yeah it was reckless and Jane has every right to question it similalry jane having sex with luke was reckless
I'm assuming you played the same game that we did, so you should probably just explain why you feel like they didn't have sex in the particular scene that's obviously in question.
Or you could just watch the group talk about it:
"I can confirm that there was no time for kissing." - Jane
I had typed for a good 20 minutes my reply to you. Then my browser spontaneously rebooted. Talk about a morale killer. I'll retype, but with less enthusiasm.
I think Breckon's idea would have worked fine. Yes he could have gone easier in regards to the cabin group members' negative attributes but in truth I rather liked the idea of Clementine, the try-to-do-good-girl, being shunned and out casted by the new group. It's only natural for the group to view a newcomer negatively, especially under the circumstances she appeared. But again I do agree his portrayal of them was slightly exaggerative. But more to the point, he didn't. And instead of going with what was already set in stone they nullified the characters personalities, their actions, their intentions, and the repercussions of the first episode by, pretty much, completely forgetting everything they did, said, thought, and hinted at previously. How would it be if Jigsaw from Saw (the bad guy) came out an hour into the movie and said sorry and started asking his victims what they thought about recent news? It would befuddling to say the absolute least. Now applying it to characters in a story where the characters and story matter (or, they're supposed to; S2 didn't hold true to that in my opinion).
I had also typed about Alvin and his character contributing little to the story and the story not contributing to his back story, but what I typed was largely the entirety of that portion of the post; and it wasn't interesting enough to make retyping it worthwhile.
I think that the cabin group's characterizations in Episode 2 represented the writer's intentions of making them sympathetic characters bett… moreer - Breckon went way too hard on making the cabin group act suspicious, to the point that they actually ended up being callous idiots. No matter what happens afterwards, the first impression they leave was too extreme to really make them credible.
Anyway, from what I understand Alvin shot George in the process of escaping Howe's. Carver interpreted it to be a petty act of revenge, but he's a liar.
Carvers last words before Kenny killed him were to rebecca "What the fuck are you looking at bitch, Don't act like you didn't enjoy every second of it" I think carver is implying when he raped her.
I'm assuming you played the same game that we did, so you should probably just explain why you feel like they didn't have sex in the particu… morelar scene that's obviously in question.
Or you could just watch the group talk about it:
"I can confirm that there was no time for kissing." - Jane
There really isn't any use debating the issue.
How does that imply that there was sex involved? That could just be teasing in that they were caught before they could even make out.
What I saw looked like flirting; I don't get where the sex implications came from.
Also she calls him by his nickname, Bill, which nobody else does
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and think you hadn't pl… moreayed Season 2 In Harm's Way in a while. Bonnie, Luke, Tavia, Russell, Bad Luck Vince, Wyatt, Troy, Reggie have all called him by his nickname at least once.
So did I. I really wish there were repercussions to you blackmailing Rebecca and Carlos threatening you to stay away from Sarah. Off-screen character development and time-skips are what hacks do.
I had typed for a good 20 minutes my reply to you. Then my browser spontaneously rebooted. Talk about a morale killer. I'll retype, but with… more less enthusiasm.
I think Breckon's idea would have worked fine. Yes he could have gone easier in regards to the cabin group members' negative attributes but in truth I rather liked the idea of Clementine, the try-to-do-good-girl, being shunned and out casted by the new group. It's only natural for the group to view a newcomer negatively, especially under the circumstances she appeared. But again I do agree his portrayal of them was slightly exaggerative. But more to the point, he didn't. And instead of going with what was already set in stone they nullified the characters personalities, their actions, their intentions, and the repercussions of the first episode by, pretty much, completely forgetting everything they did, said, thought, and hinted at previously. How would it be if Jigsaw from Saw (the … [view original content]
In all of this, Michael is right and Belan is wrong.
If I am in a group with a pregnant woman like Rebecca, if my life is at risk because of this, then there are questions that must be asked and answered. I'll guarentee you if I were in a group like this and I had to worry about a crying, hungry baby, a woman who could not defend herself and relied on others, if the situation got so desperate she would have to go.
Call it what you want but anyone that's put's my life at risk, is a liability to me and mine, I'll be damned if I let them remain.
I would also like to add that Jane did in fact have sex with Luke. I have no idea why you're pretending like that didn't happen. For all we know she isn't any better than Rebecca in regards to this topic.
With an attitude like that, you're a liability yourself.
It's hilarious how people will use the 'zombie apocalypse' as an excuse to enforce old-fashioned gender roles about men being the protectors and women being the protected, yet suddenly when babies are involved those men whine about it being too hard.
Our cave-men ancestors disagree with you weak-willed sourpusses.
In all of this, Michael is right and Belan is wrong.
If I am in a group with a pregnant woman like Rebecca, if my life is at risk because… more of this, then there are questions that must be asked and answered. I'll guarentee you if I were in a group like this and I had to worry about a crying, hungry baby, a woman who could not defend herself and relied on others, if the situation got so desperate she would have to go.
Call it what you want but anyone that's put's my life at risk, is a liability to me and mine, I'll be damned if I let them remain.
I would also like to add that Jane did in fact have sex with Luke. I have no idea why you're pretending like that didn't happen. For all we know she isn't any better than Rebecca in regards to this topic.
First, I'll say that of course I don't condone rape. That said, I don't care at all if Rebecca's baby was a result of consensual sex or rape.. It doesn't matter.. The end result is that she's pregnant.
Now, I would agree and even attempt to help her with the baby to a certain degree. If we were in a safe place, had ample supplies and the rest of our group wasn't at risk because of her and the baby, then it's no problem. We as living people should stick together, support each other and do our best to form a community of compassionate survivors.
But, if all of the worst case senerio's were to happen, if it became every man or woman for themselves, then bye bye Rebecca and AJ.
Jane is putting clothing back on when Clem runs into them. That's your first major hint. It was meant to imply sex without actually showing them having sex.
Luke: "I don't know... I guess I just... wanted to forget about all this shit for like, ten minutes." Mike: "10 minutes? Man, that's longer than I'd last at this point."
Do you not understand what this means?
Clem: "I know what you guys are talking about..." Bonnie: "I certainly hope not." Clem: "You're talking about kissing stuff."
The scene was supposed to be cute... as Clem didn't fully understand what Luke and Jane were doing.
Luke: "Uh... yeah! Yes, that... that is exactly it."
Is that not a dead give away to you?
Jane: ""I can confirm that there was no time for kissing."
So if there was no kissing, no sex, then what's the big deal? No one would even be discussing the issue.
How does that imply that there was sex involved? That could just be teasing in that they were caught before they could even make out.
What I saw looked like flirting; I don't get where the sex implications came from.
Why not? It's a topic of discussion, and they are all trying to be friendly terms with each other, and have a laugh, while they have a moment of peace.
They could've been just snuggling for all we know. All I'm saying is that Luke saying "this the most human I've felt in a long time" could simply be him referring to having a discussion, flirting with and being in contact a hot girl around after so long a few months. I mean his statement in itself makes no sense, as Bonnie implies that there was something between them before he left/escaped with Nick, and the others.
Jane didn't trust anybody as much as, or think that anyone was a smart as, Clem, and she still left her (before coming back later), and she didn't even say shit to Luke before leaving. If she was planing on leaving. why have sex with Luke? She's going to be on her own, so why even chance that she could end up like Rebecca?
I mean, this is just another issue with the writing of S2; that Jane would even entertain anybody with that kind of affection.
Jane is putting clothing back on when Clem runs into them. That's your first major hint. It was meant to imply sex without actually showing … morethem having sex.
Luke: "I don't know... I guess I just... wanted to forget about all this shit for like, ten minutes."
Mike: "10 minutes? Man, that's longer than I'd last at this point."
Do you not understand what this means?
Clem: "I know what you guys are talking about..."
Bonnie: "I certainly hope not."
Clem: "You're talking about kissing stuff."
The scene was supposed to be cute... as Clem didn't fully understand what Luke and Jane were doing.
Luke: "Uh... yeah! Yes, that... that is exactly it."
Is that not a dead give away to you?
Jane: ""I can confirm that there was no time for kissing."
So if there was no kissing, no sex, then what's the big deal? No one would even be discussing the issue.
Thanks for ignoring every actual point I made. Would you care to go back and address my examples proving you to be incorrect? Otherwise I'm just going to be repeating myself, and I don't feel like doing that.
I didn't know it was necessary to remove clothing to flirt or cuddle with someone. If you think that's all Jane and Luke did, you're as naive about the situation as Clementine was made out to be at the campfire scene. I guess I don't mean to be rude here, but are you like... young?
Why not? It's a topic of discussion, and they are all trying to be friendly terms with each other, and have a laugh, while they have a momen… moret of peace.
They could've been just snuggling for all we know. All I'm saying is that Luke saying "this the most human I've felt in a long time" could simply be him referring to having a discussion, flirting with and being in contact a hot girl around after so long a few months. I mean his statement in itself makes no sense, as Bonnie implies that there was something between them before he left/escaped with Nick, and the others.
Jane didn't trust anybody as much as, or think that anyone was a smart as, Clem, and she still left her (before coming back later), and she didn't even say shit to Luke before leaving. If she was planing on leaving. why have sex with Luke? She's going to be on her own, so why even chance that she could end up like Rebecca?
I mean, this is just another issue with the writing of S2; that Jane would even entertain anybody with that kind of affection.
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It's deliberately vague, and if I'm in a charitable mood I'd say that that inspires discussion. But I'm not, and I think it's just lazy non-committal writing that tries to avoid controversy. Some people are unwilling to think that certain characters are capable of rape unless it's literally committed on-screen, and since that will clearly never happen in an M-Rated game without a backlash this ambiguity is the closest we'll ever get to having an answer.
Point being that, considering what an utter shit Carver is in his current characterization, I don't put it beyond him to rape a woman who despises him and who he's willing to murder once she defies him too many times. And since that's the case, I find it silly to blame Rebecca for having "unprotected sex" when the 'affair' happened in the safety of Howe's.
It's been two years since society's collapsed, and Carver is secure enough to think it's time to form a new one. Why else would he bother taking the risk of impregnating someone? It might sound counter-productive to Americans, but people in impoverished areas tend to have more babies because the mortality rate is also higher. If your farm is raided and three of your kids die, at least you'll have a couple others to pick up the pieces.
I wasn't even blaming Rebecca in the first place. You actually read what I said, right?
I don't care about my 'image' on a game forum, or about accusing a video-game villain of doing something villainous.
I'm replying to the OP with a reason for why people would bother having babies in a shitty situation, and why Rebecca's "stupid choice" wasn't actually stupid when Carver impregnated her while inside Howe's.
And I'll even argue that the cabin where Clem first met Rebecca would have been a decent place for the baby to be born and raised. The only reason why it was abandoned was precisely because Carver was stalking her.
Lol if the fans paid attention more the facts is Rebecca was raped and forced to be with Carver after Alvin killed his best friend George. Carver's minds is: Take something from me, I'll take something from you.
And Jane she's just another Carol doing what's best for the group.
I don't think she was raped. If she was, why would she be worried about Alvin "killing her", if it wasn't his. Wouldn't he be more supportive and understanding? They didn't have the best marriage. I think that, "back in the day" she just slipped up and banged Carver. (Probably regretted instantly)
Then why are you replying to me?!
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Alvin killed George while ESCAPING the camp. Which he did, hence why they were at a cabin. It's not even confirmed that she was raped, and it was implied that it was free-will.
You can NOT compare those two together. They are complete opposites.
Also she calls him by his nickname, Bill, which nobody else does; they likely did have secret relationship.
Wasn't there an audio file that hints at the fact that Carver may have raped Rebecca ? If it's the case, then obviously it wasn't her fault. And I think that it's what happened because she had Alvin and she seems to really love him, so why go sleep with Carver ?
For me most things hinted towards rebecca being with Carver on her own will. So for me yeah it was reckless and Jane has every right to question it similalry jane having sex with luke was reckless
I think Rebecca either got raped by/cheated with Carver, or did the do with Alvin in Howe's before Carver went crazy with power and turned the place into a prison.
Considering AJ's race and appearance, I think the latter is more likely.
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and think you hadn't played Season 2 In Harm's Way in a while. Bonnie, Luke, Tavia, Russell, Bad Luck Vince, Wyatt, Troy, Reggie have all called him by his nickname at least once.
Sure not. But Rebecca acted strangely when the conversation turned to this subject and felt guilty when talking about this - bathroom and lodge scenes or even Clementine asking Rebecca why Carver was after her. It seemed like she tried to hide it from Alvin, which wouldn't have been the case if Carver raped her, especially since Alvin knew that there was something between them.
Unused dialogue clearly implies that they both had wanted it. Quote: "You wanted it just as much as I did!"
Something a lot of cliched bad-guys/rapists also say to their victims to make them feel worse.
I'll give you that. To me, Rebecca doesn't seem like she was raped. No one around her thinks about if she was raped. To me, it seems like she started to cheat on Alvin, then realized how crazy Carver was. That is just my opinion.
Problem is that this is all guess-work because Telltale couldn't be bothered to provide many concrete details about their relationship. The only reason why it's been inferred that Rebecca was Carver's 'secretary' is because of a throwaway line she had about giving announcements in his office - beyond that, we don't know what Alvin thought of their affair, who the hell "George" was, or why we should even care who AJ's dad is.
Quid pro quo. Yes he would.
Is it a common misconception that rape is something victims are ok with admitting, or that the victims believe their innocence in the matter will be accepted by others? After all the SHARP classes I've been in I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Fear of telling Alvin she was raped could be just because she doesn't know how he would react. Especially if it was a quid pro quo type of rape where she didn't try to physically resist. There are more types of rape than phyphysical forced rape
Yeah. In real life, victims of rape are constantly questioned and judged about whether they fought back or not.
Which is why it really pisses me off that we never get much development on Alvin's part. We have no idea how to interpret his killing of George when there's no context provided for why he killed him, or how Alvin felt about it, or how Rebecca felt about Alvin being a killer. All we know is that he's a nice nerd who is capable of killing - but the circumstances behind that are never explained.
And I could see victim blaming as a possible occurrence seeing as most of the Howes community was obviously groveling under Carver. Carver himself does is slightly in his "bye Rebecca" speech. I can see why she would keep it a complete secret.
Alvin's was just one of many characters whos arc had no real sense of continuity and importance. Instead, left up to the player to throw out random conjecture trying to connect his traits and personality together through what little dialogue and action they are actually give. In the end he died nearly the same as when he began. A nice guy. We don't get an information about why he killed. None about him and Carver. I'm not sure if we ever even get ininformed he knew anything about Carver and Rebecca.
And to the opposite measure: if the creators did change a character it was too rapidly and oddly placed to even apply to the character. Rebecca and Carlos go from hating Clem's guts and just as willing to let her die / or kill her themselves to putting complete trust and faith in her. After what? Well let's break down the situation a bit more. She shows up at the cabing. She is accused of being a spy. She steals from them to help herself. She leaves the cabin with two members. Two more go to ssearch for her and the others. And she is the only one to return. "Now please watch my daughter while we leave you two alone in the cabin. I trust you completely." Then soon after Rebecca starts asking clementine what she thinks about baby names? Where did that come from? The night prior you wished she was dead, or that she would at least leave and die in the woods. Now you're talking with her like she's a niece after a small apology? Please.
I think that the cabin group's characterizations in Episode 2 represented the writer's intentions of making them sympathetic characters better - Breckon went way too hard on making the cabin group act suspicious, to the point that they actually ended up being callous idiots. No matter what happens afterwards, the first impression they leave was too extreme to really make them credible.
Anyway, from what I understand Alvin shot George in the process of escaping Howe's. Carver interpreted it to be a petty act of revenge, but he's a liar.
I would also like to add that Jane did in fact have sex with Luke. I have no idea why you're pretending like that didn't happen. For all we know she isn't any better than Rebecca in regards to this topic.
When did they have sex?
I'm assuming you played the same game that we did, so you should probably just explain why you feel like they didn't have sex in the particular scene that's obviously in question.
Or you could just watch the group talk about it:
"I can confirm that there was no time for kissing." - Jane
There really isn't any use debating the issue.
I had typed for a good 20 minutes my reply to you. Then my browser spontaneously rebooted. Talk about a morale killer. I'll retype, but with less enthusiasm.
I think Breckon's idea would have worked fine. Yes he could have gone easier in regards to the cabin group members' negative attributes but in truth I rather liked the idea of Clementine, the try-to-do-good-girl, being shunned and out casted by the new group. It's only natural for the group to view a newcomer negatively, especially under the circumstances she appeared. But again I do agree his portrayal of them was slightly exaggerative. But more to the point, he didn't. And instead of going with what was already set in stone they nullified the characters personalities, their actions, their intentions, and the repercussions of the first episode by, pretty much, completely forgetting everything they did, said, thought, and hinted at previously. How would it be if Jigsaw from Saw (the bad guy) came out an hour into the movie and said sorry and started asking his victims what they thought about recent news? It would befuddling to say the absolute least. Now applying it to characters in a story where the characters and story matter (or, they're supposed to; S2 didn't hold true to that in my opinion).
I had also typed about Alvin and his character contributing little to the story and the story not contributing to his back story, but what I typed was largely the entirety of that portion of the post; and it wasn't interesting enough to make retyping it worthwhile.
Or he's reminding her she did enjoy it and to stop acting like she's some victim.
How does that imply that there was sex involved? That could just be teasing in that they were caught before they could even make out.
What I saw looked like flirting; I don't get where the sex implications came from.
"That's the most human i've felt in awhile."-Luke
They definitely banged. Probably was "no time for kissing" cause he prematurely ejacted. (lol, jk)
Yeah, you're right...tho I don't remember Luke calling him Bill.
Still, the game implies that she cheated on Alvin with Carver.
So did I. I really wish there were repercussions to you blackmailing Rebecca and Carlos threatening you to stay away from Sarah. Off-screen character development and time-skips are what hacks do.
In all of this, Michael is right and Belan is wrong.
If I am in a group with a pregnant woman like Rebecca, if my life is at risk because of this, then there are questions that must be asked and answered. I'll guarentee you if I were in a group like this and I had to worry about a crying, hungry baby, a woman who could not defend herself and relied on others, if the situation got so desperate she would have to go.
Call it what you want but anyone that's put's my life at risk, is a liability to me and mine, I'll be damned if I let them remain.
With an attitude like that, you're a liability yourself.
It's hilarious how people will use the 'zombie apocalypse' as an excuse to enforce old-fashioned gender roles about men being the protectors and women being the protected, yet suddenly when babies are involved those men whine about it being too hard.
Our cave-men ancestors disagree with you weak-willed sourpusses.
OP is Jane.
First, I'll say that of course I don't condone rape. That said, I don't care at all if Rebecca's baby was a result of consensual sex or rape.. It doesn't matter.. The end result is that she's pregnant.
Now, I would agree and even attempt to help her with the baby to a certain degree. If we were in a safe place, had ample supplies and the rest of our group wasn't at risk because of her and the baby, then it's no problem. We as living people should stick together, support each other and do our best to form a community of compassionate survivors.
But, if all of the worst case senerio's were to happen, if it became every man or woman for themselves, then bye bye Rebecca and AJ.
C'mon you guys!
Jane is just Pro choice
Agreed.
Jane is putting clothing back on when Clem runs into them. That's your first major hint. It was meant to imply sex without actually showing them having sex.
Luke: "I don't know... I guess I just... wanted to forget about all this shit for like, ten minutes."
Mike: "10 minutes? Man, that's longer than I'd last at this point."
Do you not understand what this means?
Clem: "I know what you guys are talking about..."
Bonnie: "I certainly hope not."
Clem: "You're talking about kissing stuff."
The scene was supposed to be cute... as Clem didn't fully understand what Luke and Jane were doing.
Luke: "Uh... yeah! Yes, that... that is exactly it."
Is that not a dead give away to you?
Jane: ""I can confirm that there was no time for kissing."
So if there was no kissing, no sex, then what's the big deal? No one would even be discussing the issue.
Why not? It's a topic of discussion, and they are all trying to be friendly terms with each other, and have a laugh, while they have a moment of peace.
They could've been just snuggling for all we know. All I'm saying is that Luke saying "this the most human I've felt in a long time" could simply be him referring to having a discussion, flirting with and being in contact a hot girl around after so long a few months. I mean his statement in itself makes no sense, as Bonnie implies that there was something between them before he left/escaped with Nick, and the others.
Jane didn't trust anybody as much as, or think that anyone was a smart as, Clem, and she still left her (before coming back later), and she didn't even say shit to Luke before leaving. If she was planing on leaving. why have sex with Luke? She's going to be on her own, so why even chance that she could end up like Rebecca?
I mean, this is just another issue with the writing of S2; that Jane would even entertain anybody with that kind of affection.
Thanks for ignoring every actual point I made. Would you care to go back and address my examples proving you to be incorrect? Otherwise I'm just going to be repeating myself, and I don't feel like doing that.
I didn't know it was necessary to remove clothing to flirt or cuddle with someone. If you think that's all Jane and Luke did, you're as naive about the situation as Clementine was made out to be at the campfire scene. I guess I don't mean to be rude here, but are you like... young?