So Kenny couldn't just stand behind Larry's head while holding the Saltlick just in case if he turns,
What you're forgetting is Larry was already dead, a lost cause. Give up, he's dead because he passed out for ninety seconds.
Now Duck is different. He gets bitten, and it's all about making sure his safety is placed above his wife and Clementine. Clementine, y'know , the little girl Kenny called a "sham" in season one episode three.
they couldn't afford to just "wait and see".
So Kenny couldn't just stand behind Larry's head while holding the Saltlick just in case if he turns, while Lee and Lily attempt to revive him? Is it that hard to come up with a plan?
His mouth twitches when you try to revive him which indicates he was revived. Besides I don't see what the need was to saltlick him as soon as possible. It's not that hard to pin him down while someone preforms cpr to ensure he doesn't turn and eat whoevers helping and its not like he'll have his teeth around someones neck the second he turns. Most zombies who turn often move around a little to take in their surroundings which would give Kenny enough time to saltlick him if he came back rather then go panic and kill him instantly.
By your logic everyone that gets violent in the TWD universe is like Carver then? What a way to simplify the issue.
Jane is like Carver in terms of their survival mottos, and thats what matters.
So Kenny couldn't just stand behind Larry's head while holding the Saltlick just in case if he turns,
What you're forgetting is Larr… morey was already dead, a lost cause. Give up, he's dead because he passed out for ninety seconds.
Now Duck is different. He gets bitten, and it's all about making sure his safety is placed above his wife and Clementine. Clementine, y'know , the little girl Kenny called a "sham" in season one episode three.
Hail Kenny and his murderboner
By your logic everyone that gets violent in the TWD universe is like Carver then?
Nate uses violence, but doesn't lose his temper about it, ie when he murdered those old people like he took out the trash. So your theory doesn't hold water. But it doesn't really matter what not really, all that matters is both are potentially dead, so this conversation is pointless. If you want to rehash and talk about the dead, your business.
By your logic everyone that gets violent in the TWD universe is like Carver then? What a way to simplify the issue.
Jane is like Carver in terms of their survival mottos, and thats what matters.
Because everybody assumes the worse and don't think it through. Some how, Kenny gets heavily supported on this and he went too far, they should have made a plan but instead Kenny decided to outright murder Larry.
His mouth twitches when you try to revive him which indicates he was revived. Besides I don't see what the need was to saltlick him as soon … moreas possible. It's not that hard to pin him down while someone preforms cpr to ensure he doesn't turn and eat whoevers helping and its not like he'll have his teeth around someones neck the second he turns. Most zombies who turn often move around a little to take in their surroundings which would give Kenny enough time to saltlick him if he came back rather then go panic and kill him instantly.
I never planned to. Like I said, I didn't approve of Kenny killing Larry. At all. Didn't agree with most of his actions in season 1. The guy's an asshole, but I like him regardless.
Words are useless.
Lead by example, and don't make huge posts about how it sucks to be lumped in with a group of people that applaud a man for senselessly murdering an unconscious father in front of his daughter.
I never planned to. Like I said, I didn't approve of Kenny killing Larry. At all. Didn't agree with most of his actions in season 1. The guy's an asshole, but I like him regardless.
You know , my best friend is Kenny is real life. A complete asshole sometimes, but i still like him for some reason. When you get older you realize everyone has faults and you can either accept people for who they are, or be miserable lonely individual the rest of your life.
Faults I can accept, what I can't accept is ravenous assholes that are ignorant and kill people because of a hunch.
or be miserable lonely individual the rest of your life.
I hope you're not trying to imply something. I have friends, true friends. Friends that wouldn't fight me because of voicing a concern. Friends that got my back even if we're not on the best terms. Friends, not dickheads that I call friends because I "understand their quirky bullshit."
I'm a bit more mature than just blindly accepting.
You know , my best friend is Kenny is real life. A complete asshole sometimes, but i still like him for some reason. When you get older yo… moreu realize everyone has faults and you can either accept people for who they are, or be miserable lonely individual the rest of your life.
I used this logic on a ex girlfriend.
It worked. At least for a little while.
Of course not i wouldn't be so presumptuous to assume, i don't know you personally. I apologize if their was any confusion in my statement.
I been through a lot in my life, Clementine a lot. It changes you , changes your perspective, things that used to matter no longer do. I been friends my best friend since i was ten years old, Eighteen years later, we had our ups and downs, but it takes a lot of work on both parts to keep a friendship alive that long.
Sometimes you have to let baby have his way just to avoid a argument.
realize everyone has faults
Faults I can accept, what I can't accept is ravenous assholes that are ignorant and kill people because … moreof a hunch.
or be miserable lonely individual the rest of your life.
I hope you're not trying to imply something. I have friends, true friends. Friends that wouldn't fight me because of voicing a concern. Friends that got my back even if we're not on the best terms. Friends, not dickheads that I call friends because I "understand their quirky bullshit."
I'm a bit more mature than just blindly accepting.
I hope you're not trying to imply something.
Of course not i wouldn't be so presumptuous to assume, i don't know you personally. I… more apologize if their was any confusion in my statement.
I been through a lot in my life, Clementine a lot. It changes you , changes your perspective, things that used to matter no longer do. I been friends my best friend since i was ten years old, Eighteen years later, we had our ups and downs, but it takes a lot of work on both parts to keep a friendship alive that long.
Sometimes you have to let baby have his way just to avoid a argument.
Saltlicks are pretty heavy, not to mention, the time period it takes for a person to turn is unpredictable. It could take a few seconds, it could take a few hours. Being locked in a meat locker with no weapons, along with the fact that Kenny's family was being held hostage by cannibals, it's understandable why it would be difficult to calmly sit down and come up with a plan to deal with the 250 pound man that is about to turn a couple feet away from them. It was an extremely high stress situation. So yes, they couldn't afford to "wait and see".
they couldn't afford to just "wait and see".
So Kenny couldn't just stand behind Larry's head while holding the Saltlick just in case if he turns, while Lee and Lily attempt to revive him? Is it that hard to come up with a plan?
Haha, sorry for the late reply, totally forgot about this. :P
I did get support however opposition was strong. You are a beloved member on the Forums and I love talking with you and seeing your arguments as they seem very strong. If only we could all be civil...
(Really getting sick of my replies disappearing..)
I don't think I was there, I haven't been online as much lately. Thankfully, I can onl… morey count on one hand the number of times I've lost my cool here. I hope to keep it that way. I try to end things on a civil note too, or at least take the high road.
The point of the game is what choices are you willing to make when the line between right and wrong is blurred due to the circumstances. Of course under normal circumstances, it would not be ok to kill an elderly man with a salt lick. Everyone knows that. But because of the additional factors that have arisen, things have changed. They're now dealing with the possibility of the elderly man coming back from the dead and trying to fucking eat them, along with the fact that they've been locked in a small space by cannibals, weaponless, and not to mention, that there is a child locked in that room too, the moral ground has now been significantly blurred because of that. If you don't want to understand that, then alright.
If Kenny killed Clementine, a lot of you would say he was justified.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about, and what evidence do you have to back up such a claim? Larry and Clem are in no way interchangeable. Not everybody agrees with you, no need to get so upset about it.
but it doesn't change the fact that it had to be done. Lee, Kenny, Lilly, as well as Clem were locked in a small space with Larry. They woul… mored all be at risk had he not been put down, they couldn't afford to just "wait and see".
I really don't know what else to say...
Kenny was right? Killing an unconscious man with a saltlick close enough to paint the daughters face with his brain matter is right. Justified and right. And later watching as his "urban pal" Lee was being attacked... I... I'm so done trying.
All I got left to say is fuck Kenny. If Kenny killed Clementine, a lot of you would say he was justified. So no use talking to a brick wall about astrology I guess.
But all Kenny had to do was wait, considering that the saltlick destroyed Larry's skull the walker shouldn't have been a problem. Especially when its lying down.
Saltlicks are pretty heavy, not to mention, the time period it takes for a person to turn is unpredictable. It could take a few seconds, it … morecould take a few hours. Being locked in a meat locker with no weapons, along with the fact that Kenny's family was being held hostage by cannibals, it's understandable why it would be difficult to calmly sit down and come up with a plan to deal with the 250 pound man that is about to turn a couple feet away from them. It was an extremely high stress situation. So yes, they couldn't afford to "wait and see".
Remember how quickly Ben's teacher moved after he turned in the back of the truck? There's no knowing how obvious it would be when Larry turned, if he moved slowly, then yes, Kenny would have easily been able to pick up the salt lick and put Larry down in time. Had Larry moved quickly, there wouldn't have been enough time to pick up the salt lick before Larry grabbed onto someone. Seeing as Larry was very strong prior to turning, it would be extremely difficult to restrain him if you weren't Lee or Kenny. So Lilly and Clem were at the highest risk in the room. It's really no use though, debating whether or not it would have been effective to wait for Larry to turn completely, simply because it is speculation. There will never be a definitive answer, and we'll just end up beating a dead horse.
But all Kenny had to do was wait, considering that the saltlick destroyed Larry's skull the walker shouldn't have been a problem. Especially when its lying down.
Haha, sorry for the late reply, totally forgot about this. :P
I did get support however opposition was strong. You are a beloved member o… moren the Forums and I love talking with you and seeing your arguments as they seem very strong. If only we could all be civil...
I liked him too, I will admit I didn't at first, but I grew to enjoy his posts quite a lot. People took the bait whenever he made a post, I won't deny that he trolled, but it wasn't that difficult to ignore his troll antics and just talk with him.
Remember how quickly Ben's teacher moved after he turned in the back of the truck? There's no knowing how obvious it would be when Larry tur… morened, if he moved slowly, then yes, Kenny would have easily been able to pick up the salt lick and put Larry down in time. Had Larry moved quickly, there wouldn't have been enough time to pick up the salt lick before Larry grabbed onto someone. Seeing as Larry was very strong prior to turning, it would be extremely difficult to restrain him if you weren't Lee or Kenny. So Lilly and Clem were at the highest risk in the room. It's really no use though, debating whether or not it would have been effective to wait for Larry to turn completely, simply because it is speculation. There will never be a definitive answer, and we'll just end up beating a dead horse.
I appreciate you saying that, I feel like I'm welcomed here most of the time. I remember arguing with one of Lexi's Alts one time and her calling me one of the leaders here. I love helping people here.
Thanks, I really appreciate the attitude. I'm defending a psychopath? Did you forget we're talking about a fictional character? You make it sound like I'm committing some sort of crime. Everything I've been seeing from you in regards to Kenny and Jane is "my opinion is fact", and you seem to be taking the whole topic way too personally. (Hitler? Seriously now?) I'm so sorry I don't hate a fake person's guts the way you do, but that's the way it is. I don't know what else to tell you without lying, bro.
Anyway, I'm done here. But thanks again for proving you can't handle someone else's opinion civilly.
I don't know when you decided to become so blatantly edgy and cute in your posting. You're kind of consistently ruining your chances of having reasonable conversation with your aggressiveness. Calm down, slow down, and think through what you're saying.
could your reasons be any more flimsy and ridiculous for accepting a psychopath because he is a "likable" psychopath?
There is a huge difference between being an "asshole" and being a "psychopath". The person you're replying to here didn't say anything about Kenny being a psychopath. This thought process was put together entirely by yourself.
Not trying to call you out or anything, though it probably seems that way. Just... try and tone it down a few notches.
I thought Kenny was super wrong for what he did in the freezer in season 1. Not as wrong as what many other characters have done -- because in his mind, Larry was already dead -- but wrong nonetheless.
I don't decide whether I think someone is in the right or not based on how much I like them. And I doubt most other people do either.
If Kenny had pretended that someone was dead so he could have an excuse to kill Jane I would've turned on him so damn fast. But he didn't.
When will people understand Jane was trying to protect Clementine from Kenny, a man that Jane was wary of and perceived as a threat to the s… moreurvival of an eleven year old. Is it good? No. But neither was slinging a nearly 100lb saltlick on an unconscious man, and I don't hear any of the Kenny fans thinking that was bad. In fact, they applaud him for his senseless violent action.
I guess that's just evil to some people. Not because it's wrong, but because it's Kenny that is the clear danger this time.
I do think that it was her plan to get Kenny killed in that fight, either by her hand or Clem's. And I think that one act is so much more ev… moreil than anything Kenny has ever done
No, I believe there was more to it than that. I don't believe she wanted to kill Kenny from the beginning, but realized when Kenny wouldn't leave when she asked him to go, that she would have to kill him. (I'm not saying I agree with Jane here; it was a ridiculously stupid plan. I'm just trying to explain what she was thinking.)
Jane felt she had to confront Kenny because he was leading them all on a suicide mission to Wellington. (See everything below the dotted line below to see why this is true, and then meet me back here. Or if you want the abbreviated version, read what's in bold below the line and meet me back here.) She felt that Kenny had to leave the group, as he would not consider any other option rather than going to Wellington. Therefore, her pla… [view original content]
Comments
IMO Kenny is more like Carver, both lose control and get violent. So your reasoning is flawed.
People didn't like him (including me) because he just insulted people constantly.
Hmm good post, I'm not sure how I'll respond here...
What you're forgetting is Larry was already dead, a lost cause. Give up, he's dead because he passed out for ninety seconds.
Now Duck is different. He gets bitten, and it's all about making sure his safety is placed above his wife and Clementine. Clementine, y'know , the little girl Kenny called a "sham" in season one episode three.
Hail Kenny and his murderboner
By your logic everyone that gets violent in the TWD universe is like Carver then? What a way to simplify the issue.
Jane is like Carver in terms of their survival mottos, and thats what matters.
His mouth twitches when you try to revive him which indicates he was revived. Besides I don't see what the need was to saltlick him as soon as possible. It's not that hard to pin him down while someone preforms cpr to ensure he doesn't turn and eat whoevers helping and its not like he'll have his teeth around someones neck the second he turns. Most zombies who turn often move around a little to take in their surroundings which would give Kenny enough time to saltlick him if he came back rather then go panic and kill him instantly.
Nate and Carver are twin brothers.
RIP Logic.
He never was mean to me.
Nate uses violence, but doesn't lose his temper about it, ie when he murdered those old people like he took out the trash. So your theory doesn't hold water. But it doesn't really matter what not really, all that matters is both are potentially dead, so this conversation is pointless. If you want to rehash and talk about the dead, your business.
Not really something i want to be apart of
Maybe not to you, but he was to a lot of people.
Because everybody assumes the worse and don't think it through. Some how, Kenny gets heavily supported on this and he went too far, they should have made a plan but instead Kenny decided to outright murder Larry.
So I can't talk about Kenny's flaws/missteps, but open season on Jane is cool?
Contradiction much?
I never planned to. Like I said, I didn't approve of Kenny killing Larry. At all. Didn't agree with most of his actions in season 1. The guy's an asshole, but I like him regardless.
[removed]
You know , my best friend is Kenny is real life. A complete asshole sometimes, but i still like him for some reason. When you get older you realize everyone has faults and you can either accept people for who they are, or be miserable lonely individual the rest of your life.
I used this logic on a ex girlfriend.
It worked. At least for a little while.
Faults I can accept, what I can't accept is ravenous assholes that are ignorant and kill people because of a hunch.
I hope you're not trying to imply something. I have friends, true friends. Friends that wouldn't fight me because of voicing a concern. Friends that got my back even if we're not on the best terms. Friends, not dickheads that I call friends because I "understand their quirky bullshit."
I'm a bit more mature than just blindly accepting.
Of course not i wouldn't be so presumptuous to assume, i don't know you personally. I apologize if their was any confusion in my statement.
I been through a lot in my life, Clementine a lot. It changes you , changes your perspective, things that used to matter no longer do. I been friends my best friend since i was ten years old, Eighteen years later, we had our ups and downs, but it takes a lot of work on both parts to keep a friendship alive that long.
Sometimes you have to let baby have his way just to avoid a argument.
Fair enough.
Not a Patrick Bateman GIF
Saltlicks are pretty heavy, not to mention, the time period it takes for a person to turn is unpredictable. It could take a few seconds, it could take a few hours. Being locked in a meat locker with no weapons, along with the fact that Kenny's family was being held hostage by cannibals, it's understandable why it would be difficult to calmly sit down and come up with a plan to deal with the 250 pound man that is about to turn a couple feet away from them. It was an extremely high stress situation. So yes, they couldn't afford to "wait and see".
Haha, sorry for the late reply, totally forgot about this. :P
I did get support however opposition was strong. You are a beloved member on the Forums and I love talking with you and seeing your arguments as they seem very strong. If only we could all be civil...
The point of the game is what choices are you willing to make when the line between right and wrong is blurred due to the circumstances. Of course under normal circumstances, it would not be ok to kill an elderly man with a salt lick. Everyone knows that. But because of the additional factors that have arisen, things have changed. They're now dealing with the possibility of the elderly man coming back from the dead and trying to fucking eat them, along with the fact that they've been locked in a small space by cannibals, weaponless, and not to mention, that there is a child locked in that room too, the moral ground has now been significantly blurred because of that. If you don't want to understand that, then alright.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about, and what evidence do you have to back up such a claim? Larry and Clem are in no way interchangeable. Not everybody agrees with you, no need to get so upset about it.
But all Kenny had to do was wait, considering that the saltlick destroyed Larry's skull the walker shouldn't have been a problem. Especially when its lying down.
Remember how quickly Ben's teacher moved after he turned in the back of the truck? There's no knowing how obvious it would be when Larry turned, if he moved slowly, then yes, Kenny would have easily been able to pick up the salt lick and put Larry down in time. Had Larry moved quickly, there wouldn't have been enough time to pick up the salt lick before Larry grabbed onto someone. Seeing as Larry was very strong prior to turning, it would be extremely difficult to restrain him if you weren't Lee or Kenny. So Lilly and Clem were at the highest risk in the room. It's really no use though, debating whether or not it would have been effective to wait for Larry to turn completely, simply because it is speculation. There will never be a definitive answer, and we'll just end up beating a dead horse.
Thank you, that is very kind of you to say.:) Don't forget, you are a valued member on here as well!
I liked him too, I will admit I didn't at first, but I grew to enjoy his posts quite a lot. People took the bait whenever he made a post, I won't deny that he trolled, but it wasn't that difficult to ignore his troll antics and just talk with him.
RIP The Horse.
I appreciate you saying that, I feel like I'm welcomed here most of the time. I remember arguing with one of Lexi's Alts one time and her calling me one of the leaders here. I love helping people here.
Thanks, I really appreciate the attitude. I'm defending a psychopath? Did you forget we're talking about a fictional character? You make it sound like I'm committing some sort of crime. Everything I've been seeing from you in regards to Kenny and Jane is "my opinion is fact", and you seem to be taking the whole topic way too personally. (Hitler? Seriously now?) I'm so sorry I don't hate a fake person's guts the way you do, but that's the way it is. I don't know what else to tell you without lying, bro.
Anyway, I'm done here. But thanks again for proving you can't handle someone else's opinion civilly.
I don't know when you decided to become so blatantly edgy and cute in your posting. You're kind of consistently ruining your chances of having reasonable conversation with your aggressiveness. Calm down, slow down, and think through what you're saying.
There is a huge difference between being an "asshole" and being a "psychopath". The person you're replying to here didn't say anything about Kenny being a psychopath. This thought process was put together entirely by yourself.
Not trying to call you out or anything, though it probably seems that way. Just... try and tone it down a few notches.
I TOLD YOU TO RESPECT MAH ATHORATAH
holy SHIT George! for the 1st time... i fucking agree with you...
ILLUMINATI ACTIVITY. HL3 CONFIRMED. Y2K! Y2K!!!!
in all seriousness... your goddamn right.
I didn't say that. You just always begin a war about this and long long threads about how amazing Jane is and how awful Kenny is.
Kenny's jacket is more similar to Carver's than Jane's is
Kenny is more like Carver confirmed
case closed
But you don't have the same complaint with all the Jane hate/should've never existed/should've been replaced with XXX threads.
Hypocrite.
Really?
I thought Kenny was super wrong for what he did in the freezer in season 1. Not as wrong as what many other characters have done -- because in his mind, Larry was already dead -- but wrong nonetheless.
I don't decide whether I think someone is in the right or not based on how much I like them. And I doubt most other people do either.
If Kenny had pretended that someone was dead so he could have an excuse to kill Jane I would've turned on him so damn fast. But he didn't.
Carver doesn't lose control. He just eliminates people that he feels are a threat to his group, for the "greater good".
What about when you hold Jane back? She says, "Not happening." Throws Clementine down.