Are Kenny and Jane really that bad
I don't have a lot of time today, so i'll make this quick and straight to the point.
- Everyone has their plus points and weaknesses / pros and cons.
- In a apocalypse you should prefer going / surviving with mentally fit people.
- Kenny was protective, he never gave up, he gets reckless sometimes, and hes pretty much broken.
- Jane is someone who rather sticks with people that know what they're doing, than with a bunch of people that don't. But she's cold.
What i'm trying to say is that both Jane and Kenny have their pros and cons. people aren't perfect; they make mistakes. everyone wants something, and people always eventually find a reason to cross you.
Jane or Kenny: That's what telltale brought to you. make a decision; what path do you take? Stick with someone just to survive? or stick with someone that's becoming a wildcard and could go into any direction? of course they also gave you the opportunity to choose neither.
(I understand everything that Kenny and Jane did, don't quote me if I summarized something wrong, you should also know what they did and not just by reading this discussion but others, and useing your own perception of this.)
I personally picked option C: neither.
Now that i'm reading this, I could've written it better. but like I said before, I don't have a lot of time today.
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I'm with you, i dislike both because Kenny is a asshole unless you do what he wants you to do, and Jane is a lying manipulating person who you really can't trust. At least both are gone now.
I only thaaaang I hate about Jane is the thaaaang with the baby at the end of ep 5. As for Kenny I'm just more attached to him because we know him for a long time.
Kenny would piss me off, he got mad at me because i didn't want to kill Larry in front of Lilly/Clementine. Then got all buthurt when i said nothing on the way back from the car. Jesus Christ Kenny,,
Killing Larry was the right choice because if he had turned they all would have died.
Kenny is a better person than Jane, morally. This is evident with Kenny's speech about suicide. He makes it clear that he thinks it's most important for people to stick together and fight to the death; not give up because it gets too hard. He also lost his child and wife. He was completely destroyed about it and even went as far as not being able to put down the zombie Duck. Jane on the other hand, left her sister to be eaten alive quoting "have it your way then" as the last thing to say to her. Not I love you or I'm sorry. That is fucking awful. The fact that Jane can continue to live after that and function normally and even consider ditching another person (Sarah) is a great show of her selfish character. Kenny is more family driven (the baby). Jane is just very emotionally vacant and it disturbs me.
I disagree, killing Larry was a hasty reckless move, They didn't have to kill him. They could of given him a few minutes at least to make sure if he was dead. They had tons of salt licks they could of used them to hold Larry down.
Larry was a asshole sure, but IMO we were all in this mess together so we should try to help him, not let personal feelings cloud your judgement.
Larry's death was his own foult all he had to do is calm down... Kenny didn't have time to think sure it was a reckless move but it was worth it. You have to do what you can in order to surrvive. And I'm not saying this because i like Kenny's character because back when I played S1 ep2 for the first time I didn't like Kenny much.
I don't know, and I don't care.
Jane/Kenny threads really need to stop.
He tried to kill Lee. I took that personally. I did take a while to decide every time, though. I did not saltlick him a few times, but he kept being an Ahole to me even when I said I wasn't his enemy. I didn't think it was worth it.
They can both can be pretty bad, so yea.
He also sees nothing wrong with beating up a helpless boy despite being repeatedly told that it's moronic and he needs to stop.
His anti-suicide stance is more out of pride and his religious beliefs than something he truly wants - it's made abundantly clear by his death in Season 1, and his angst in Amid The Ruins, that he does want to commit suicide by deliberately placing himself in lethal situations.
Is there really anything better to discuss though?
I've never understood the disdain for the topic.
There's plenty of things better to discuss than Kenny/Jane. It's annoying, and majorly overused, not to mention the wars they start for no goddamn reason.
I know this kind of thread died months ago and someone still resurrecting this kind of thread again..... pardon my english..
Of course no one is perfect. They both have their flaws and good sides. I personally picked Kenny because i imagined myself in that situation and i juct couldn't kill someone whom i have known for years and wh has gone through so much. I just wouldn't pick someone who i've known for few weeks and no nothing about, for all i care she could be lying about everything but that is me, i am paranoid.
Also i think Kenny would be a better caretaker of both Clem and he baby because he loved them both deeply.
yeah, both have their pros and cons, and i wish people would understand that there's no definite right answer on who you choose to go with or who you like. the fact that people are trying to make others feel bad about doing the wrong thing (going with X instead of Y) when there is no clear right or wrong answer is annoying as hell.
Both of them have good and bad traits, but I don't trust either of them with Clementine.
To me, it seems like Jane wants a little sister figure she doesn't have to as put much effort into keeping safe. Clementine is more capable than Jaime was, Jane recognized that, and became attached to Clem because of it, I can't think of any other reason for her to become interested in Clem so quickly. However, if Clem were to become depressed or go through a trauma like Sarah did, I don't think I can trust Jane to be there for Clementine.
As for Kenny, I think that the baby is more important to him than Clementine. When Clementine comes into the rest stop without AJ, the anger in Kenny's voice and the look he gave her, "YOU LEFT HIM WITH HER?" (Jane) made me think that if Clem ever got AJ into danger or accidentally even got him killed, he might turn on her.
I can't say with certainty if either would do that, maybe they've changed, but neither of them are alive in my play-through so I guess it doesn't matter. (I need to see what S3 is going to be like with there being no chance of either one coming back and killing both is the way to achieve that I assume.)
It worked out for Kenny somewhat. However Lilly and Carley/Doug weren't so fortunate. Kenny didn't take the time and realize what impact he made on Lilly when he smashed his head in with a rock. Lilly loses her mind and kills someone, obviously she had some issues because of the way Kenny handled the situation.
Kenny thinks he is the only one who is right about anything, and if you don't follow his stupid plans he gets all but hurt.
Crawford, the cannibals in S5 TV show, said the same thing.
Lee said it too actually.
But that's just it, Clem hasn't known Kenny for years, and if you don't do right by him in S1 he doesn't care about helping Lee save Clem. Jane comes back whether or not Clem agrees with her, or wants her there.
You're paranoid yet you trust a guy who has shown suicidal tendencies, kills group moral, is volatile, needs you to always agree with him and who's anchor to sanity is a newborn in a ZA.
If you were paranoid, you wouldn't trust either of them, but then Clem on her own doesn't makes sense either. Honestly it would've been better if AJ died in an accident for real, but Jane, while she regrets being unable to save him, feels that it happening then was a good thing and that he was a liability and then Kenny got pissed and it became about who Clem should be around. Also, If Kenny knew about Jamie then that, plus the baby, then he'd use that against her.
Would've been much better than what happened.
I can hardly think of any at all, but to each their own I guess.
I can understand being annoyed with someone for twisting a totally separate thread into a Kenny-Jane discussion, but if someone decides to make their own topic on the issue there is no reason to be annoyed with that. Those of us who no longer care to get involved in the conversation aren't forced to click on threads that are clearly Kenny-Jane related. If you don't want to be a part of the discussion, then simply ignore it. Policing what aspects of a story that people want to discuss is a little immature, in my opinion. As long as the OP is being civil, there is no reason why there should be any issue.
For example: http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/87570/jane-was-more-like-carver-than-kenny-was/p1
There's no intention for Kenny / Jane hate on this thread, this thread actually goes against that. This thread is for the people that post these nonsense about Jane and Kenny all day; they need to stop and this thread is just about that they're not that bad.
IT isn't a Jane vs Kenny thread damn! this is something diffrent, no intentions to start hating.
just read my comment to InfiniteDawn
Nice take on them; even tho I gravitate to Jane, I understand the risks my choice carries with her.
Still, the Alone ending doesn't make any sense; not realistic in how it's presented.
I'm tired of both of them. Kenny being an ass when you don't agree with him and he gets mad real fast. While there is Jane, who thinks no one can be saved unless it's Clementine. "Leave him" "Leave her" "Leave them". And thing with the baby- totally stupid. They both 'love' Clem on their own way but doesn't really excuse them for being like that and doing things they've done.
I suppose it's a "pick your poison" kind of thing...
A manipulative woman that dim-wittedly hides a baby in a car to sway a young girl in killing someone after repeatedly being told that the man is a threat by the girl the woman tried swaying... What?
Or... Kenny. Yeah, just Kenny.
Pick your poison.
Ok, not from my point of view.
But the thing is, it did stop.
Creating these threads are just going to make people argue about them more.
I think I prefer Jane to Kenny as well just a little bit, (even though Luke would have been my first choice of course.) even though I did get the alone ending, it is indeed stupid as hell. There's no way AJ is going to survive long with just Clementine looking out for him. Of all the endings it was the least satisfying, Kenny's were kinda emotional, Jane's endings were...interesting, but the alone one was easily the most lackluster. (I picked it mainly because as I said earlier I just want to see an S3 without both of them.)
It's not only the thread that's annoying to me, it's the arguments that go along with it. People get angry at each other for no earthly reason and it creates a whole bunch of negativity that carries on to others threads.
Can you please try honoring someones opinion at once? We all have our OWN opinions. I respect yours but on some ( or more ) points i disagree. Can't we just drop this JAne Kenny hatred and agree we all love the game.
Yes, they have known eachother for years. I don't know which game you played but for all i know throught he whole Season Kenny was worrying about his family Lee and Clem. He came with me with hestitaion so i don't really care how have you approached him. I liked him, he had morals and on most of the stuff i did agree with him because he had a point.
Yes, Jane comes back. Kenny had never left in the first place. Oh YES i forgot he left to save Christa, how ignorant of him. So because Jane escaped and came back i should trust her, love her or what? Good, than if i beat someone up and stop beatig them in the middle i should get an award YAY how big of her was that. In my opinion ( which you obiously know nothing about since from what i've read you don't respect anyones) Jane came back because she was attached to Clementine and wanted to help her the way she could never help her sister. And what BIG help she has been.
Suicidal tendencies doesn't mean you are dangerous, I tried comitting suicide and it was a selfish act for whuch i will hate myself forever but it didn't make me dangerous in any way. Expect the thing that would've hurt people who cared about me. At the time of suicidal thought you don't really think anyone cares about, you are nothing but trouble etc. No one even showed Kenny they care, they just talked behind their back and insulting him. Yes he gets violent, i have never experienced what he has experienced and sure hope i never will. THAT makes you angrey. I understand his anger towards others, that is how some people react to tragic events but i really can't get into it now. Expect for Jane, he lost his son. He saw AJ as the new opportunity to shw himself he is worthy and yes the Kenny/Jane fight was not right on any side but i do get where he is coing from. And what did she do insulted and tried to get him as angry as possible, real clever. Kenny wasn't better in that situation, he just attacked if though it could've been an accident, i mean it is the ZA people get killed. So i won't justify either on this matter but like i said i just understand where he is coming from.
Yes, i am sorry but i do trust people whom i have known longer, because i simply know them better, especially somoeone who had family, who was friend of my friends, who would do anything to protect his family and friends, who has morals and RESPECT. That is just where i am coing from. If my friend's friend would be in a ZA (even if a barley know him and Clem does know hm) i would stand by him.
Yes, in my estimation he is that bad. Sorry you can't convince me otherwise.
Look I'm not saying he's a saint I'm just saying he's better than Jane
They're both flawed and neither is perfect. But people seem to enjoy making you feel bad about your choices, and escalate it to a point that makes it that much worse and intense than it should be. In the end, the idea of either of them being good or bad is completely up to the interpretation of the player.
I'll repeat myself.
In the end, the idea of either of them being good or bad is completely up to the interpretation of the player.
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