Does anyone not like Clem?
Seriously, usually I really hate kids in video games but I love Clementine so much! And everyone I was asking till now, if they'd also like her said yes, so my question is: Does anyone of you not like or even hate her? Would be interesting to me.
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I dislike Season 2 Clementine, if that is what you mean.
that's not what is being asked the question being asked is do we don't like or hate Clementine or let me rephrase it cause it don't sound right basically this question is being addressed to people who don't like or hate Clementine
this person wants to know if there is anyone out there who does not like or hates Clementine basically they are looking for people who do not like or hate Clementine basically this person is looking for input from the haters and I guess want to know why or their opinion on that to I guess
or just wants to know if there are anyone out there who don't like her or hate her but in any case I like Clementine
Dude.
Season 2 Clementine is still Clementine. He just doesn't like Season 2 Clementine.
How could I do not love Clemmy?
I've seen a few people who say they don't like her on the steam forums, but no one on here as far as I'm aware of.
To anyone who likes Clem:
To anyone who dislikes Clem:
I fell in love with her (platonically) in Season 1. I don't feel like explaining it in detail, but by the time Season 2 was over, my affection for her was sucked out of me almost entirely. So much so that my mind actually distinguishes Season 1 Clem and Season 2 Clem as two entirely separate people.
I only dislike how she got Lee killed. Thats about it.
I wouldn't really hold that against her...
Honestly I think the only problem I have with Clementine's development as a character was the 16 month timeskip, we don't really get to see the specifics of how she changed during that time, and "The apocalypse is hard she's not the same" is not good enough for me. Of course she's not going to be the same, of course she changed, of course the apocalypse is hard. That's pretty much a given but she had unique experiences that shaped her into her S2 persona and I wanted to see more on how her time with Christa effected her and what went on then, even the opportunity to talk about it during S2 in more depth than just asking random people if they've seen someone named Christa would have been better than nothing...I guess that's the closest I get to not liking her, and that's only just a part of her. (I don't even know what I'm saying right now I'm so tired rugh)
That and I didn't like how the adult characters were made to look incompetent by having her do everything, but that's the disadvantage of having a kid as protagonist I suppose. I don't hate her at all but I think I prefer her in S1...I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually hate her though...she seems universally loved throughout the fandom.
I'm just very, very jealous of her. I mean, who wouldn't be? An 11 year old girl who sews up her own arm, is brave enough to look a tyrant in the eye, and remains relatively calm and collected in situations where grown-ups act like idiots. Not to mention very intelligent too.
Who wouldn't want that?
It's easy to be like that. Sit down with a notepad, and start writing. What you write is just as real as the game.
I might just be the one haha. I don't dislike her per say, but I've never actively liked/loved her. She was just a kid who was...there. Season 1, she was a boring generic little girl, season 2 we played as her, and you can't really love yourself can you? Idk. Maybe its just me, I don't like/love anything or anyone in real life either. Except my cats and dog. They're fecking wonderful.
Lee made Clementine.
Not literally weirdos. But if it wasn't for Lee (and us acting through him) she probably woulda just been another Duck. To answer though I like Clementine, as I would any other tiny helpless critter that takes to me for protection.
I liked Clementine In S1, because without her keeping me from doing bad things, i probably would of done bad things, she always made me feel bad about the choices i made, ie) There was a time i killed the one hillbilly in the barn (Episode 2), and Clementine looks horrified, it gave me pause to not murder the other one. I felt bad, which was what the writers intended.
That feeling of guilt of not getting to do what i wanted, was great because i couldn't i had to stop and think about what was good for "Clementine.", i would think to myself, i guess i should not expose Clementine to violence/murder, even though i want revenge. Its not good for a child to see it.
This whole dynamic was gone in Season 2. She felt empty, hollow, whatever you want. Just my opinion.
What kind of dog do you have, i have a boarder Collie and two German Shepherds
Of course I like Clementine, I'm just not a fan of her portrayal in Season 2.
I don't want her to be reverted back into her original characterisation in Season 1, but I'd rather she had a bit more life in her and a bit more consistency in her age, both physically and mentally.
She acted as she did as soon as she met Lee. Unless Lee instantly changed her by just showing up then she was already like she was. Lee influenced her, he doesn't define her.
Cool, I used to have a border collie when I was a kid. He lived until he was 18. Right now I have a westie, fluffy little guy haha. I've always wanted a big husky or German Shepherd though. I used to have labradors as well at one point.
I think Arvo might not like Clementine
First of all , if it wasn´t because of Lee , she would have probably be another Fivel , you know?
Why, because her personality changed? That's what happens when you witness everyone you care about die and you blame yourself for a couple of their deaths.
I can imagine that during the 16 months, if what we saw during the beginning of All That Remains is any indicator, Christa seemed to no longer care about Clementine and became very cold towards her, barely talking to her and looking at her as a burden. At that young age, children are influenced greatly by the people around them, and since Clementine was around a cold and stern Christa for so long, it influenced her character greatly. That, along with the guilt of the deaths of people like Lee and Omid on her shoulders, made her the somewhat cold character we see in Season 2.
Well some people try to hide their true feelings for some one else by acting mean towards them (ever watch the show Hey Arnold). Maybe Arvo shooting Clem was to try and make her think he didn't like her.
And yes, I'm joking.
True, but when you're presenting a character that people are supposed to be emotionally involved with, you want to show these types of changes gradually. Or atleast explain them later. During the prologue of Ep.1, Clem is noticeably downcast, but she is still the person that we remember. But then we get hit with a 16 month timeskip, and suddenly she's Wednesday from the Addams Family, and that's who we're stuck with for the whole season.
It worked in episode one for the most part because she doesn't have much human interaction. Christa doesn't seem conversational, and Clementine was pretty cold and guarded around the cabin group, which is understandable since they're a bunch of strangers who shot at her and locked her in a shed.
It makes sense though as to why Clementine is the way she is as a result of those 16 months, even with the few details they give us:
As I said, Clementine obviously blames herself for the deaths of Lee and Omid, you can't expect someone to be the same person they were before when they have that weighing on their shoulders.
Clementine is still a young kid, and like most young kids, she is very impressionable. She was around Christa for those 16 months, and if the way she treated Clementine is any indicator as to what those 16 months were like, it was spent mostly in silence, with Christa acting coldly towards Clementine, and alone, as shown through Christa's distrust of people. Being around Christa for that long obviously had an effect on Clementine's character, which explains where she got her emotionless demeanor and coldness from.
So Clementine's transformation from who she was in Season 1 into what we have in Season 2 is understandable, even without going into detail what may have happened in those 16 months, which is why she became, as you say, Wednesday from The Addams Family. (snap, snap).
I guess that means Carver had a secret crush on everyone in Clementine's group.
Well he did on Rebecca.
Hey, I'm not saying Clementine's heel turn isn't understandable, its just not interesting. Like I said, we miss out on an entire 16 months of her life (that's like 4 seasons of the t.v show), meaning we essentially go from the Clementine we know, to Clemsday in a matter of minutes IRL. By the time we get back control of her, she's a completely new person, and maybe some people were ok with that, but I wasn't. I spent the entirety of Season 1 keeping this girl safe, bonding with her, being her role-model, and I didn't appreciate being cheated out of pivotal moments in her life. I lost my connection with her during those 16 months and Season 2 never succeeded in reestablishing it. I find it hard to believe that Omid's death is the sole reason she goes full-on introvert during the timeskip, which means that everything else that happened to her during that time is left up to our imagination, which is not good story telling.
Now, all of the reasons you listed for Clemsday's character.... its a great interpretation, but at the end of the day that's all we have is an interpretation. An educated guess. Maybe Christa treated Clem like shit the entire time. On the other hand, maybe she was perfectly fine with Clementine during those 16 months, and we just caught her in a bad moment during the camping scene. I don't know. Point is, we pretty much have to guess at what Clementines mindset is and how she got there. That works in small doses, but when the entirety of a protagonists character arch is turned into a guessing game, it just comes off as lazy.
Throughout season 2, we barely learn anything about Clementine that we didn't already know , and she doesn't go through any significant changes between episodes 1- 5. Needless to say, by the time it was over, I felt that the experience of playing an 11 year old blank piece of paper that can kick in doors was very unrewarding.
wooo... The scene where Clem is looking at Carver being murdered by Kenny, she first was looking away.But suddenly, she stop flinching and got this cold ,compassion-less expression in her face, as if she was letting the hate consume her.
Even though I picked this option, I still don't like how accepting Clementine was for the brutal murder of Carver. She was becoming Carl, don't like that.
I loved season 1 Clementine. I wouldn't say I hated season 2 Clementine, but I didn't care for her.
I think it's hard to hate protagonists like Lee and Clementine since you make all their decisions.
I loved season 1 Clem, but I'm meh about season 2 clem.
When i was a young kid, i found a German Shepard and fed it lunch meat, for some reason it followed me home. Ever since then i know the loyalty of that brand. Anyone puts their hands on you, they better watch out.
I feel like shes one of the lesser characters of the series, i dont hate her but yo. She aint that amazing