True, Im glad people are starting to realise our pain of two seasons with someone we didnt like. Still I am glad at least at the end of it w… moree do get to shoot him and (despite being forced to cry over Kenny and not any other character in season 2) we do get to let him reanimate.
The worst thing is it didnt even have to get to that, Lee could have flipped Kenny off at the train and left with clem, ben and chuck and never looked back but what can you do.
i agree 100% that he isn't perfect, he has like a million shit moments, i just personally don't care for janes overall personality in the way she thinks and acts. Kenny might be an idiot 75% of the time but Jane just gets under my skin so bad. Good to see people saying both have flaws tho, never thought id see that
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
That's what you call it? Lol, he left her behind. He even called her a "stupid fucking kid" right before that. Also, I'm not even a Jane fan, I hate her more than Kenny.
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
Don't let it get to you. The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless, but it's important to… more realise that they aren't all like that, and that judging by the end of episode 5 stats, people started to come out of the Kenny bark-over-bite bandwagon characterisation stupour that we suffered a year ago.
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
Well since y'all like pictures so much, maybe this will speak to you clearer:
"This is on your head, Clementine!"-Kenny the bearded god, 2014, canon and not determinate no matter what you do
I like pretty pictures too. ^.^
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they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward.
Oh hoo edit buttons are magical things aren't they? Glad to see you add on that "and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward" to make me look like I'm misquoting you. No.
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
i still think telltale could actually try and make Jane/Kenny (or neither if both dead) matter the entire season depending on that last choice. I want a hell of a lot more branching paths. They really could try to do that
There's bilion of opportunities for Clementine to die in front of Kenny, Luke or even Lee
And most the characters around her actually react in shock to her death(except if Carver shoots her in EP3) whereas Jane just bails the fuck out or just refuses to help
I'm tired of people using this gif with Clem's non-canon death. How does it make a proper argument? There's bilion of opportunities for Clem… moreentine to die in front of Kenny, Luke or even Lee, just because the player failed to complete the particular tasks.
Why is Kenny so amazing? Why was he right about everything and everyone in both seasons? Why is he the only one who can make Clem smile and laugh? Why does he provide the best endings of all time? Why is he the overall best choice for Clem's wellbeing?
while some fell behind
That's what you call it? Lol, he left her behind. He even called her a "stupid fucking kid" right before that. Also, I'm not even a Jane fan, I hate her more than Kenny.
The Jane situation is actually fascinating in looking at the mentality of the sector of Kenny fans who just repeate everything he says and s… moreays all he does is unambiguously right (while somehow still being 'flawed'..?)
Because the entire 'Jane is selfish' argument literally comes from what Kenny says, not from any evidence in episode 5. She constantly puts her life at risk for Clem in episode 5, saves Kenny's life, lets in the family (strangers!) at the end...she actually grows. She starts of being selfish, but Clem shows her that she need not be. Her character can grow, whereas no matter what Clem does, Kenny always beats Arvo, always tries to turn the group into a dictatorship by going against their vote, and shows no departure from his angry propensity.
He even acknowledges in the Kenny ending that he doesn't trust himself to look after her - because while he may want to change, he can't.
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I dont even like Jane all that much to be honest, still at least shes better than Kenny. Who insists on doing whatever he wants numerous ti… moremes an episode even when the whole group disagrees, Jane to her credit only acts like a crazy idiot once in episode 5, Kenny does this at least 5 if not more times during episode 5.
Im not even gonna bother with you people anymore, jane fans are one of the most delusional beings. Its like talking to a pit.
Okay.
The Jane situation is actually fascinating in looking at the mentality of the sector of Kenny fans who just repeate everything he says and s… moreays all he does is unambiguously right (while somehow still being 'flawed'..?)
Because the entire 'Jane is selfish' argument literally comes from what Kenny says, not from any evidence in episode 5. She constantly puts her life at risk for Clem in episode 5, saves Kenny's life, lets in the family (strangers!) at the end...she actually grows. She starts of being selfish, but Clem shows her that she need not be. Her character can grow, whereas no matter what Clem does, Kenny always beats Arvo, always tries to turn the group into a dictatorship by going against their vote, and shows no departure from his angry propensity.
He even acknowledges in the Kenny ending that he doesn't trust himself to look after her - because while he may want to change, he can't.
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Firstly, you've specifically picked and chosen pictures, not representative ones. I could just as easily put up a gif of Jane risking her li… morefe to save Clem on the lake and in the shelter while kenny focuses on beating up arvo, and Kenny shoving Clem away just before the fight with Jane.
Secondly, in the first gif Clem is 100% dead. In the second one she can still be saved.
Thirdly, in the second gif Kenny is trying to save Sarita, not Clem.
So yeah, pretty useless post there.
Oh, and fourthly, the phrase is 'A picture is worth a 1000 words', not 'worth more than a 1000 words'.
The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless
What if your statement is proven invali… mored? would you look dumb?
People come here for a quick information sweep and appreciate the information by liking his or her comment. Not everyone is a forum no-lifer.
She didn't die for Clem, she died for her own ideology. Because of her sick and twisted mind she would rather die than paint herself as a li… morear and manipulator if she were to reveal it was all a lie. If the baby didn't cry she would have probably left him there. Who cares anyways, crap character in a crap episode with a crap final conflict.
I doubt Jane would go back and let Clementine die when she already made this far.
Are we really talking about non-canon characters' reactions? Lol, alright. One gif with Jane not helping Clem doesn't mean that others' reaction would be better, looking back at similar situations many of them were standing motionless or just staring at her, but that's because these "You are dead" endings don't need animations. We could probably find a few moments when someone besides Jane does absolutely nothing while zombies are devouring Clem.
There's bilion of opportunities for Clementine to die in front of Kenny, Luke or even Lee
And most the characters around her actuall… morey react in shock to her death(except if Carver shoots her in EP3) whereas Jane just bails the fuck out or just refuses to help
Why is Kenny so amazing? Why was he right about everything and everyone in both seasons? Why is he the only one who can make Clem smile and … morelaugh? Why does he provide the best endings of all time? Why is he the overall best choice for Clem's wellbeing?
Lee is immensely proud
I just shed a tear typing this
I'm not a Jane fan. Everyone knows that about me, so i'm going this say this.
She did die for Clementine, did you not witness the fight like i did, i don't get this at all. She was obsessed with Clementine, she ditched AJ to provoke Kenny because she wanted Kenny gone, and got into a fight with him. She could of said AJ was still alive at any time but didn't, she could of cried out to Clementine for help, but didn't. She told Clementine to stay out of it, she didn't want to put Clementine in between her fight with Kenny, i have to say do respect her for that.
Even though i hated her as a person she did care about Clementine. She didn't want Clementine to have to make that choice, to kill Kenny to save her life, all on the foundation of a lie. It was loose before, now it is falling down.
One thing I'll never understand is people ignoring the fact that Jane has risked her life for Clementine and obviously cares for her. Like other user's have said she risked her life to run across the ice to rescue Clem when nobody else would. She even came for Clem after leaving the group, she came back for her, how are people ignoring this? This is going to sound terrible but tricking Kenny was another form of Jane caring, it may have gotten out of hand but her doing that to protect Clem from a person she believed to be a "monster" takes guts, especially the mental condition Kenny was in.
But still, people will ignore of all this even though she saved Clem multiple times, and Kenny once. Yet she is still labeled selfish by the community.
One thing I'll never understand is people ignoring the fact that Jane has risked her life for Clementine and obviously cares for her. Like o… morether user's have said she risked her life to run across the ice to rescue Clem when nobody else would. She even came for Clem after leaving the group, she came back for her, how are people ignoring this? This is going to sound terrible but tricking Kenny was another form of Jane caring, it may have gotten out of hand but her doing that to protect Clem from a person she believed to be a "monster" takes guts, especially the mental condition Kenny was in.
But still, people will ignore of all this even though she saved Clem multiple times, and Kenny once. Yet she is still labeled selfish by the community.
I agree, there are a lot of reasons i believe people post, don't post. Personally i have had moments when i would lose control because of my "issues", and just rage out on someone through the keyboard, because i may disagree or they are being rude or forwhatever reason. That isn't someone i want to be anymore, so i "try" key emphasis word is "try" not to be my old self. I am trying to be more of a positive person, at least this year. The war from within needs to end.
My Anger will wash over me like a rainstorm, soaking me through the bone.
The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless
Well that's a little harsh. Sometimes p… moreeople don't have the time to respond to comments or they have nothing more to say that hasn't been said already. Doesn't mean they're not being thoughtful about it.
I don't always respond to Jane hate threads because I just get frustrated by them, but I always appreciate the Jane defenders out there 'cause the well-spoken ones? Dey da besttt. I don't approve of Kenny hate and I can see the good in him; I'd just prefer people saw characters like Jane in a good light as well rather than in a needlessly bad one all the time, when it's not warranted.
I think because she tries to replace Jaime with Clem. People say Kenny tries to do the same by replacing Duck with Clem, but I don't think so because he's ready to give her up.
I don't believe Jane is Selfish, when you been alone for a long time, it affects your mind, where it distorts your reality. I believe Jane was mental, and after having Clementine in her life, she realized she couldn't go back the way she was.
I don't think Jane or Kenny are trying to replace their lost family, they're becoming attached because they lost family. Kenny probably see's AJ as a beacon of hope for the future and with Jane, she might see Clem as a companion. We can only speculate what they think, but if the are trying to replace lost family members, that's pretty normal for people to do after losing a loved one.
I think because she tries to replace Jaime with Clem. People say Kenny tries to do the same by replacing Duck with Clem, but I don't think so because he's ready to give her up.
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i feel like clem crying or not should be based off of what the player said about and to Kenny throughout the season, but alas...
i agree 100% that he isn't perfect, he has like a million shit moments, i just personally don't care for janes overall personality in the way she thinks and acts. Kenny might be an idiot 75% of the time but Jane just gets under my skin so bad. Good to see people saying both have flaws tho, never thought id see that
Yes, ma'am!
I'm not Jane fan and still think your post doesn't add anything significant to the discussion.
That's what you call it? Lol, he left her behind. He even called her a "stupid fucking kid" right before that. Also, I'm not even a Jane fan, I hate her more than Kenny.
I don't care. This doesn't change a thing. Jane and Kenny are both wrong, stop defending either of them.
What if your statement is proven invalid? would you look dumb?
People come here for a quick information sweep and appreciate the information by liking his or her comment. Not everyone is a forum no-lifer.
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Ryudi stawp defending Jane, Jane lover.
So Clem fell behind and Kenny left her there? Wow what a great guy.
Edit: Even though Mike was pushing him, he still didn't even try to go back.
Well since y'all like pictures so much, maybe this will speak to you clearer:
"This is on your head, Clementine!"-Kenny the bearded god, 2014, canon and not determinate no matter what you do
I like pretty pictures too. ^.^
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Oh hoo edit buttons are magical things aren't they? Glad to see you add on that "and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward" to make me look like I'm misquoting you. No.
That was a little harsh.
That would be amazing, for both characters. ;.;
And most the characters around her actually react in shock to her death(except if Carver shoots her in EP3) whereas Jane just bails the fuck out or just refuses to help
Why is Kenny so amazing? Why was he right about everything and everyone in both seasons? Why is he the only one who can make Clem smile and laugh? Why does he provide the best endings of all time? Why is he the overall best choice for Clem's wellbeing?
Lee is immensely proud
I just shed a tear typing this
Ever heard of something called... Opinions?
Shocking, I know.
I'm really getting sick of these types of threads. "Oh, Jane's better" "No, Kenny's better!" Woop-de-fucking-doo.
Don't mean to sound harsh but, what's the point? The whole Kenny vs Jane topic is like beating a dead fucking horse.
He only said that if you put a fucking hatchet through his girlfriends skull, thats a bit justified dont you think?
I dont see how purposely making someone to try to kill you is a good way of protecting someone
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Probably the best post defending Jane.
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Ehrm. Its called manipullating for a reason!
I know, but still. To prove someone is dangerous and the way you show is by do doing something stupid and dangerous, that cancels out the point
Whoaa no need to be so offensive!
That first .gif made me laugh so fucking hard for some reason.
Are we really talking about non-canon characters' reactions? Lol, alright. One gif with Jane not helping Clem doesn't mean that others' reaction would be better, looking back at similar situations many of them were standing motionless or just staring at her, but that's because these "You are dead" endings don't need animations. We could probably find a few moments when someone besides Jane does absolutely nothing while zombies are devouring Clem.
Comment of the month. 10/10 would make Lee proud again.
I'm not a Jane fan. Everyone knows that about me, so i'm going this say this.
She did die for Clementine, did you not witness the fight like i did, i don't get this at all. She was obsessed with Clementine, she ditched AJ to provoke Kenny because she wanted Kenny gone, and got into a fight with him. She could of said AJ was still alive at any time but didn't, she could of cried out to Clementine for help, but didn't. She told Clementine to stay out of it, she didn't want to put Clementine in between her fight with Kenny, i have to say do respect her for that.
Even though i hated her as a person she did care about Clementine. She didn't want Clementine to have to make that choice, to kill Kenny to save her life, all on the foundation of a lie. It was loose before, now it is falling down.
One thing I'll never understand is people ignoring the fact that Jane has risked her life for Clementine and obviously cares for her. Like other user's have said she risked her life to run across the ice to rescue Clem when nobody else would. She even came for Clem after leaving the group, she came back for her, how are people ignoring this? This is going to sound terrible but tricking Kenny was another form of Jane caring, it may have gotten out of hand but her doing that to protect Clem from a person she believed to be a "monster" takes guts, especially the mental condition Kenny was in.
But still, people will ignore of all this even though she saved Clem multiple times, and Kenny once. Yet she is still labeled selfish by the community.
shes selfless towards clem for a selfish reason
For what reason is that?
I agree, there are a lot of reasons i believe people post, don't post. Personally i have had moments when i would lose control because of my "issues", and just rage out on someone through the keyboard, because i may disagree or they are being rude or forwhatever reason. That isn't someone i want to be anymore, so i "try" key emphasis word is "try" not to be my old self. I am trying to be more of a positive person, at least this year. The war from within needs to end.
My Anger will wash over me like a rainstorm, soaking me through the bone.
to make her the new jamie
I think because she tries to replace Jaime with Clem. People say Kenny tries to do the same by replacing Duck with Clem, but I don't think so because he's ready to give her up.
I don't believe Jane is Selfish, when you been alone for a long time, it affects your mind, where it distorts your reality. I believe Jane was mental, and after having Clementine in her life, she realized she couldn't go back the way she was.
You don't know that, you can merely speculate.
I don't think Jane or Kenny are trying to replace their lost family, they're becoming attached because they lost family. Kenny probably see's AJ as a beacon of hope for the future and with Jane, she might see Clem as a companion. We can only speculate what they think, but if the are trying to replace lost family members, that's pretty normal for people to do after losing a loved one.
yeye thats true, sorry