My apologies then, but calm the fuck down. Honestly, people like you do not think at all and it's fucking pathetic that you let your daughter see this and then blame the developers. If your daughter has to go through your living room and risk seeing mature content, MOVE YOUR GODDAMN PC/CONSOLE.
well you should wait until she goes to bed especially if you are playing an adult rated game called the walking dead that is bound to scare your daughter this is 100% your fault
I never said to keep her locked outside the living room. I said WAIT UNTIL SHE GOES TO BED. And also, I never asked you to post legal reports on the forums. Not like you had any to begin with, but still.
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
1: Okay, if your mother really is dead, then I apologize, but just for that one factor.
2: If your daughter is traumatized by the scene, … moreit's because you let her watch you play a game as bleak The Walking Dead. That whole ordeal is your own fucking fault.
3: I'm still not seeing any evidence of this so-called lawyer that you speak of. Again, claiming that you did something is not reliable.
I never said to keep her locked outside the living room. I said WAIT UNTIL SHE GOES TO BED. And also, I never asked for legal reports. Not like you actually had any to begin with, but still.
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
Even if you got the best lawyer in the world. There's still nothing to be done. You remember when GTA3 came out? And all those moms got upset over their children playing violent video games. That was national news. They tried to get it banned. And yet nothing was done. It's called freedom of speech. Without it, this country is shit. Which is why I am personally offended they pulled "The Interview", but that's another argument.
EDIT: Changed housewives to moms. "Housewife" is such a shitty term. Not sure why I used it, but apologize for doing so.
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
If you even have any at all, then nobody asked you for reports. Also, you could just censor personal information. I'm beginning to doubt that you're actually 24 judging by the immaturity of your posts.
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
It's supposed to cause discomfort. The Walking Dead video game series is emotionally manipulative. If it made people feel uncomfortable, then that was probably Telltale's goal.
Now I can't argue with you on that. I hear it from the wife too but the scene just bothered me to the point to take this and file a complain… moret and stand up for what I believe in I'm not trying to start a fight here but there are other post throughout the Internet and 1 other post on here somewhere where this scene has caused some major discomfort and people are uncomfortable that telltale would put a scene such as this in game
Now I can't argue with you on that. I hear it from the wife too but the scene just bothered me to the point to take this and file a complaint and stand up for what I believe in I'm not trying to start a fight here but there are other post throughout the Internet and 1 other post on here somewhere where this scene has caused some major discomfort and people are uncomfortable that telltale would put a scene such as this in game
Now I can't argue with you on that. I hear it from the wife too but the scene just bothered me to the point to take this and file a complain… moret and stand up for what I believe in I'm not trying to start a fight here but there are other post throughout the Internet and 1 other post on here somewhere where this scene has caused some major discomfort and people are uncomfortable that telltale would put a scene such as this in game
Now I can't argue with you on that. I hear it from the wife too but the scene just bothered me to the point to take this and file a complain… moret and stand up for what I believe in I'm not trying to start a fight here but there are other post throughout the Internet and 1 other post on here somewhere where this scene has caused some major discomfort and people are uncomfortable that telltale would put a scene such as this in game
The whole series is about making difficult decisions. Wouldn't you consider putting a dying dog out of his misery between letting him suffer a difficult decision. Telltale just likes to experiment with emotion.
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daug… morehter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daughter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
As Green said, it was supposed to be scrapped before the release, so I'd consider it a bug. It's like all of the unused audio, removed befo… morere the release of the game because it either didn't fit, or they went in another direction. The removal of Mike's determinant death was probably near the release date and caused the bug in the PS3 version only.
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daug… morehter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daug… morehter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daug… morehter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
I read through the topic hoping it was a masterfully crafted troll post. Since by now it seems that it's not, here's what I think in short words: are you. Fucking. Kidding me.
That would be the tl;dr version. In not such short words, I am disgusted by this type of morally crippled people, who value animal life as the pinnacle of all values. So you're telling me that you've played through S1 and S2 up to that point and of all the things, THIS was what disturbed you the most? Not the parent having to witness the killing of his own child (or shooting him himself), not the little kid unknowingly eating human flesh (or barely stopped from doing so) and not a child having to shoot a man who is her surrogate father (after seeing her real parents as walking corpses, no less) and you've known for 5 episodes. No. A fucking dog we knew for 10 minutes that attacked you and you only act in self defence and accidentally injure, then have the option to euthanise it so it doesn't suffer. Yes. That is by far the most disturbing thing in the video game. And yes, that is sarcasm, for all those who may not be the sharpest tools in the shed.
You say you talked to a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer yet, merely a law student in his late years, but even that gives me enough legal knowledge to say that no, Telltale definitely does NOT promote animal cruelty in any way, shape or form, by having you act in self defence against an animal that attacked you. No more than they promote child cruelty by showing the bite effects on Duck, or murder by Clementine's mercy killing of Lee. If you think otherwise, I have to assume that you're the sad sort of wimp of nature who would lie down and let himself get eaten by an animal just because it's cruel to fight back. After all, human life<animal life, am I right? sigh
And while this morality debate is subjective (even though I couldn't disagree with you more), there's also the matter of your daughter being traumatized by this material that concerns you. Well, let me tell you, as a lawyer, that Telltale is not responsible for the effects this game has on people who are too young for the subject material. That is what that age rating thing is for. It is YOUR responsibility, as a parent, to prevent your child from seeing things they shouldn't, when you've been warned that the game contains such material. Failing to do so is in no way the fault of the game company. And no, putting some animal cruelty in a game that has plenty of human cruelty, doesn't somehow transcend the mature rating into something bigger. That is, once again, your skewed moral perspective. Nothing can be done about that other than say that any respectable legal representative will disagree with you. They might even do so in a more respectable manner than me, but since this is a game forum and not a formal legal counsel, I'm allowed a few informalities.
So that is my opinion to you as a player and as a lawyer.
I read through the topic hoping it was a masterfully crafted troll post. Since by now it seems that it's not, here's what I think in short w… moreords: are you. Fucking. Kidding me.
That would be the tl;dr version. In not such short words, I am disgusted by this type of morally crippled people, who value animal life as the pinnacle of all values. So you're telling me that you've played through S1 and S2 up to that point and of all the things, THIS was what disturbed you the most? Not the parent having to witness the killing of his own child (or shooting him himself), not the little kid unknowingly eating human flesh (or barely stopped from doing so) and not a child having to shoot a man who is her surrogate father (after seeing her real parents as walking corpses, no less) and you've known for 5 episodes. No. A fucking dog we knew for 10 minutes that attacked you and you only act in self defence and accidentally injure, then have the option to e… [view original content]
Hey man, you seem very dedicated to animal rights and that is great. However, I don't care what state you come from; your grocery stores are stocked via some of the cruelest acts done to animals. The truth is, animals like many other beings in the world, are food sources, competitors for food, and even more terrifying predators to us. You will never escape this reality until we start getting energy from the sun and develop poisonous barbs on our skin to deter predators.
Furthermore, I will not tell you how to raise your daughter, but I sincerely hope you will help her understand the difference between abusing a helpless animal and defending yourself from a very real threat. That dog tears Clema throat out if you fail the QTE. Maybe if you imagine Clem as your daughter and you will realize the severity of the situation, and show her how to react in such a situation. Hesitating out of fear of 'abusing an animal' could be the difference between life and death in such a situation. Otherwise, I would suggest never letting her out into the wilderness where these animals you love so much are. Again, sorry if this comes across as rude, its not my intention to dictate how you should act as a parent.
It's not a question of removing now. Way too late for that. No, more to the point is that it shouldn't of been included in the first place.
Anyone who has had dogs for a long time would know they just don't behave in that manner.
Tell-tale have acknowledged it was an error on their part, as they pride themselves on as much realism as possible. So have to hope they don't repeat that mistake.
Ok, as a dog owner myself, I question that. I do believe that no matter how hungry, my German Shepherd would not turn on her masters, namely, me and my household. And even then that's questionable, because I've never kept her hungry for so long, nor do I intend to, so I don't have valid proof what she would or wouldn't do to ME in such situation. But are you really telling me there's no way a dog, who hasn't eaten for a long time, would turn on a stranger who just so happens to have food (and essentially IS food)? Animals operate on instinct. Even us, humans, while we are great at suppressing them in times when we don't need to rely on them, may still fall back to our baseline instincts in dire situations. For domestic animals, that applies even more. So I sincerely doubt the credibility of your statement. Unless you do have something to back it up and prove me wrong, of course. But if anything, it seems that Telltale DID go for realism on this one, and their statement was a mere concession to appease the masses of people who are fine with killing humans, but go apeshit the instant it's an animal instead.
It's not a question of removing now. Way too late for that. No, more to the point is that it shouldn't of been included in the first place.
… more Anyone who has had dogs for a long time would know they just don't behave in that manner.
Tell-tale have acknowledged it was an error on their part, as they pride themselves on as much realism as possible. So have to hope they don't repeat that mistake.
When I saw this thread I thought it would say something different like criticizing the scene. Look,if your that sensible to animals getting killed then don't play the game or be ready for anything. This is the walking dead so no one is safe. Not even animals. That fact that you said that you let your daughter play this reminds of a old troll that said the same thing...could that be you?
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My apologies then, but calm the fuck down. Honestly, people like you do not think at all and it's fucking pathetic that you let your daughter see this and then blame the developers. If your daughter has to go through your living room and risk seeing mature content, MOVE YOUR GODDAMN PC/CONSOLE.
Maybe because YOU were playing the game. If you say that was animal cruelty , why were you even playing it?
well you should wait until she goes to bed especially if you are playing an adult rated game called the walking dead that is bound to scare your daughter this is 100% your fault
I never said to keep her locked outside the living room. I said WAIT UNTIL SHE GOES TO BED. And also, I never asked you to post legal reports on the forums. Not like you had any to begin with, but still.
Well for one man I can't always keep my daughter locked outside the living room for another I'm not about to post reports filed with the lawyer or personal information forums to prove the complaint has been filed with a lawyer
I never said to keep her locked outside the living room. I said WAIT UNTIL SHE GOES TO BED. And also, I never asked for legal reports. Not like you actually had any to begin with, but still.
Even if you got the best lawyer in the world. There's still nothing to be done. You remember when GTA3 came out? And all those moms got upset over their children playing violent video games. That was national news. They tried to get it banned. And yet nothing was done. It's called freedom of speech. Without it, this country is shit. Which is why I am personally offended they pulled "The Interview", but that's another argument.
EDIT: Changed housewives to moms. "Housewife" is such a shitty term. Not sure why I used it, but apologize for doing so.
If you even have any at all, then nobody asked you for reports. Also, you could just censor personal information. I'm beginning to doubt that you're actually 24 judging by the immaturity of your posts.
It's supposed to cause discomfort. The Walking Dead video game series is emotionally manipulative. If it made people feel uncomfortable, then that was probably Telltale's goal.
Now I can't argue with you on that. I hear it from the wife too but the scene just bothered me to the point to take this and file a complaint and stand up for what I believe in I'm not trying to start a fight here but there are other post throughout the Internet and 1 other post on here somewhere where this scene has caused some major discomfort and people are uncomfortable that telltale would put a scene such as this in game
Second, it's your own fault for letting your daughter see that scene. It's not the developer's fault. A lawsuit would be pointless.
Hmm.. I didn't saw any other dogs in the game.
It's supposed to cause discomfort. That's what Telltale's goal with that scene was.
You were not paying attention then.
It's just a joke about the Pizza or Ice Cream decision in episode 5. :P
The whole series is about making difficult decisions. Wouldn't you consider putting a dying dog out of his misery between letting him suffer a difficult decision. Telltale just likes to experiment with emotion.
I'm starting to see that maybe I let anger get the best of me and I agree that it's partially my fault for not shutting it down when my daughter was in the room. There is still the question though that this scene has made many uncomfortable and if this should be allowed. I don't agree that this should be in such a game and neither does my lawyer but I just don't understand why telltale would do this
yea good luck suing them if people can't take down games like gta then you can't take down this for killing a virtual dog
But it's not a bug.
It was actually released.
The whole series is about making difficult decisions and dealing with the consequences of your actions. That's what the whole scene was about.
It's not like Clementine was purposely abusing the dog -_-
And plus, there's nothing you can do about it. It's done.
That's why people play these games. If it made you and others uncomfortable, the don't play the game.
Its a bug, it was supposed to be removed before release. There's reason why it was removed so quickly, and was on ps3 only.
Ah, well then.
Thanks for the clear up, Cake.
I read through the topic hoping it was a masterfully crafted troll post. Since by now it seems that it's not, here's what I think in short words: are you. Fucking. Kidding me.
That would be the tl;dr version. In not such short words, I am disgusted by this type of morally crippled people, who value animal life as the pinnacle of all values. So you're telling me that you've played through S1 and S2 up to that point and of all the things, THIS was what disturbed you the most? Not the parent having to witness the killing of his own child (or shooting him himself), not the little kid unknowingly eating human flesh (or barely stopped from doing so) and not a child having to shoot a man who is her surrogate father (after seeing her real parents as walking corpses, no less) and you've known for 5 episodes. No. A fucking dog we knew for 10 minutes that attacked you and you only act in self defence and accidentally injure, then have the option to euthanise it so it doesn't suffer. Yes. That is by far the most disturbing thing in the video game. And yes, that is sarcasm, for all those who may not be the sharpest tools in the shed.
You say you talked to a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer yet, merely a law student in his late years, but even that gives me enough legal knowledge to say that no, Telltale definitely does NOT promote animal cruelty in any way, shape or form, by having you act in self defence against an animal that attacked you. No more than they promote child cruelty by showing the bite effects on Duck, or murder by Clementine's mercy killing of Lee. If you think otherwise, I have to assume that you're the sad sort of wimp of nature who would lie down and let himself get eaten by an animal just because it's cruel to fight back. After all, human life<animal life, am I right? sigh
And while this morality debate is subjective (even though I couldn't disagree with you more), there's also the matter of your daughter being traumatized by this material that concerns you. Well, let me tell you, as a lawyer, that Telltale is not responsible for the effects this game has on people who are too young for the subject material. That is what that age rating thing is for. It is YOUR responsibility, as a parent, to prevent your child from seeing things they shouldn't, when you've been warned that the game contains such material. Failing to do so is in no way the fault of the game company. And no, putting some animal cruelty in a game that has plenty of human cruelty, doesn't somehow transcend the mature rating into something bigger. That is, once again, your skewed moral perspective. Nothing can be done about that other than say that any respectable legal representative will disagree with you. They might even do so in a more respectable manner than me, but since this is a game forum and not a formal legal counsel, I'm allowed a few informalities.
So that is my opinion to you as a player and as a lawyer.
Hey man, you seem very dedicated to animal rights and that is great. However, I don't care what state you come from; your grocery stores are stocked via some of the cruelest acts done to animals. The truth is, animals like many other beings in the world, are food sources, competitors for food, and even more terrifying predators to us. You will never escape this reality until we start getting energy from the sun and develop poisonous barbs on our skin to deter predators.
Furthermore, I will not tell you how to raise your daughter, but I sincerely hope you will help her understand the difference between abusing a helpless animal and defending yourself from a very real threat. That dog tears Clema throat out if you fail the QTE. Maybe if you imagine Clem as your daughter and you will realize the severity of the situation, and show her how to react in such a situation. Hesitating out of fear of 'abusing an animal' could be the difference between life and death in such a situation. Otherwise, I would suggest never letting her out into the wilderness where these animals you love so much are. Again, sorry if this comes across as rude, its not my intention to dictate how you should act as a parent.
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It's not a question of removing now. Way too late for that. No, more to the point is that it shouldn't of been included in the first place.
Anyone who has had dogs for a long time would know they just don't behave in that manner.
Tell-tale have acknowledged it was an error on their part, as they pride themselves on as much realism as possible. So have to hope they don't repeat that mistake.
the files for shooting Mike exists in the PC version.
Way too late bro.
Plus, Clem didn't chain Sam and beat him to death or anything, it was self-defense.
Abuse and Murder are two different things.
fictional animals are people too damn it they have rights
"P.E.T.A is that you???!!!!"
It'd be more cruel if Clementine had left the dog to die. It was like euthanizing, she put the dog out of his misery instead of making him suffer.
I'd imagine so, since they're the same game.
Edit: To clarify, they share the same files but ps3 is buggy with those files.
Ok, as a dog owner myself, I question that. I do believe that no matter how hungry, my German Shepherd would not turn on her masters, namely, me and my household. And even then that's questionable, because I've never kept her hungry for so long, nor do I intend to, so I don't have valid proof what she would or wouldn't do to ME in such situation. But are you really telling me there's no way a dog, who hasn't eaten for a long time, would turn on a stranger who just so happens to have food (and essentially IS food)? Animals operate on instinct. Even us, humans, while we are great at suppressing them in times when we don't need to rely on them, may still fall back to our baseline instincts in dire situations. For domestic animals, that applies even more. So I sincerely doubt the credibility of your statement. Unless you do have something to back it up and prove me wrong, of course. But if anything, it seems that Telltale DID go for realism on this one, and their statement was a mere concession to appease the masses of people who are fine with killing humans, but go apeshit the instant it's an animal instead.
When I saw this thread I thought it would say something different like criticizing the scene. Look,if your that sensible to animals getting killed then don't play the game or be ready for anything. This is the walking dead so no one is safe. Not even animals. That fact that you said that you let your daughter play this reminds of a old troll that said the same thing...could that be you?