the reason why we can't continue on as clem
Season 2 was fun, but it was a little unrealistic being clem. Characters would literally turn and ask clem what she wanted to do when it came to important decisions, and she would be sent by herself outside to perform important tasks.
I understand that she has proven herself more than capable, but no real adult would allow an 11 year old girl to go out in that world alone. No one would look to her as a leader either - especially when the group already had established a pecking order.
Regardless on if she could do it, its just stupid. She's just too young to truly understand certain things, definitely not strong enough to fend off walkers if she got over whelmed, and there's no way in hell she'd be safe from any other humans who ran across her with evil intentions.
If carver wanted to kid nap her when he showed up there would be nothing she could do. She never should have been left alone, but the group has no problem leaving her there to protect another child.
This is why playing as Lee made so much more sense in season one and why they never should have killed him. I honestly thought the flashback was them realizing how ridiculous it was putting clem in the leadership role at 11 years old and they were ret conning the events that happened before the train. I honestly thought that was happening and I honestly said to myself, "ahhh ha, now it all makes sense"
They can continue with clem if they do another time jump and put her into her teens I guess, but her story really feels complete after season 2. She's made it to a safe place and it can be assumed she remains there doing what's right using what the people in her life have taugh her.
I know you all love clem, but doing another season with her would go in what direction? Her story is done.
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What is left to tell of her story, what do you think needs to be covered or what would you like to see?
It's real easy to just say "no, it's not" or post an over used image when you know in the back of your head that I'm right. There's nothing else worth while to tell about clem. If there is, please share. I'm not opposed to her leading season 3 if there is a story to tell. I love clem too. I'm just being honest with myself.
'The group' (which was only two people at the moment) had left to find Alvin, Luke and Nick who was somewhere alone, it was never meant to be that way.
"But no real adult would allow an 11 year old to go out in that world alone"
It's clearly more complicated than that, but remember one thing it's Clem we're talking about, she can take care of herself for at least a while.
I don't think anybody considered Clem as a leader.
"Her story really feels complete after Season 2"
Care to explain ? Just because she is safe for the moment (For some people she is all alone with a baby walking towards a horde), doesn't mean she is forever, and just because she shared two great adventures with two groups doesn't mean there's not more to come.
well clearly we can since it is happening as implied by robert kirkman on playing dead
Same direction it would go in if you had a new protagonist, I don't see why playing as a character who's already established is a bad thing.
I assume the "safe place" you're referring, is Wellington. But, *some of us didn't go that route. There are 5 different endings, all of them cliffhangers, IMO. We don't know if Wellington is safe, we haven't even seen the place. We don't know where Clem is even going in the alone ending. We don't know how Clem and Kenny are going to end up after leaving Wellington. We don't know how Clem and Jane are going to end up if you let in the family or not. There are a lot of directions to go. Clem is a really good character, and her canon has intensified, with her relatively, being responsible for AJ.
I personally think her being a kid is what makes this game great. She doesn't have to be a leader. I think it's more interesting choosing to trust, or challenge the person in charge. Your right it doesn't make sense for her to be in charge. But having other people actually listen to her opinions, isn't out of this world. I kinda liked the influence she had on Lee's leadership. In S2, each person whom thought they were in charge needed her as their right hand man, so to speak. Even Carver wanted her in that type of role. I think they should continue with that.
you came in the wrong neighborhood Oniichan..
Wait are you basically saying that we can't play as Clementine because she isn't old enough for you to feel like she could be in the situations she's in? Many people at a younger age have faced worse realities in reality.
The last sentence, wow really ?
The game forced us to perform actions that a kid would never be tasked with just to keep us involved. Clem, a girl who just showed up, was asked to stop a windmill? Becca asked clem if she should show herself to protect her own husband...approaching a house and being asked to go fetch food by herself? All that made sense whIle playing as an adult, not so much playing as an 11 year old. Luckily we already got through this game and the next can make her a teenager to help make it more believable, but we have already seen her ggrow up and mature in this world. Keeping as clem would just be more of the same. What happened in season 2 should have happened in season 3 with an older clem and Lee should have died at the end of season 2 solidifying to tthe player that clem was ready to be on her own since she clearly wasn't the first 30 or so minutes of the game yet somehow became a hard core survivalist immediately after not knowing how to tend a fire.
Yeah, totally safe in every ending.
I assume you're one of those people who assumes that Wellington is the canon ending?
Probably diving into a pool of piranhas here, but I agree with the OP. Can't think of any more stories they can tell through Clementine (directly anyway) that they haven't done already. Hell, her entire character arc through Season 2 was just a more advanced rehash of what she did in Season 1. Meaning its a coming of age story for a remarkably mature young child in the apocalypse, trying to hold onto her moral views despite the world trying to turn her into a pure survivalist (in some cases successfully), and being a young, yet influential member in a group of adults who all end up dying or turn up missing in the end. Only difference is that we directly control how she does those things in Season 2.
Only way I can think of for this to not turn into a 3-peat for Clementine's story arc is to age her into a young adult so she can be a complete person and a possible leader. Problem is, with Kirkman's timeline, the oldest she is going to be in Season 3 is 12.5 - 13 years old. Which is going to lead to another season of the same ol same ol.
Uhhh... no, like Rick Grimes in his respective part, Clementine is the series main protagonist of this game. You see Kirkman constantly bringing up ideas for Rick's story to continue, so it makes sense for Telltale to do the same.
I've personally been of the mind that it could be over as well. It's definitely not out of the question. Season Two was all about seeing how the apocalypse has changed Clementine, especially without having Lee there to guide her. With this being accomplished, it does make sense to have her story be at an end, strictly from a storytelling sort of view.
I think they are talking about the fact that they feel like Clementine's story has reached it's conclusion, at least as far as her character goes. An entirely new protagonist would definitely be a move in a different direction.
Rick is an adult who has many story opportunities because of that adult status. A wife, a kid, a group to lead, pre zombie friendships, and having to juggle all of those on his journey. Clem is a little girl with zero baggage. There is no real consequence for her actions. This is also why season 1 was so much better
Her story is far from done.
I know that sometimes it can be a little unrealistic with some of the stuff she does, but it really didn't feel unrealistic to me when I was playing as her. They went a bit too far with her kicking down the door yes, but it wasn't that far fetched.
As for Clem being too young to understand, that's ridiculous. She's 11, she's lived in an apocalypse since she was 8, of course she understands. As a matter of fact, she probably understands more than the adults do- she's had to deal with the apocalypse since she was 8, the rest of them had comfortable lives and have suddenly been thrown into the deep end.
Exactly what @skullgrin said (Except there are consequences to her actions. They're just not as dramatic for her. Being a kid, people are more likely to forgive her for her fuck ups. Only Takes Kenny half an episode to forgive the Sarita thing... takes the whole rest of the season for him to forgive Lee for the meat locker thing). There are simply more things you can do with an adult character than you can with a child. Child protagonists aren't a new thing, they're just rare. There's a reason for that.
And Rick has another advantage over Clementine: he has an actual group. Strong relatable characters that the focus can shift to whenever Rick needs to be put in the background for awhile or god forbid be killed off. You know, a lot of people can't relate to being an 11 year old girl in a crisis. Or a grown man with a teenage son for that matter. Having a strong supporting cast helps take the pressure of the main character whenever they start to get boring.... a problem Clementine is starting run into right now.
I'd rather they use Season 3 to build up some more people. Definitely want Clementine to be around, but she needs to take a step back for awhile.
She'll most likely be a little older in season 3 if they keep her in the game (which I think they should) and thus maybe it won't seem as far fetched as it was in season 2. Also, they could learn from their mistakes by making her role in the story more realistic and believable.
The problem doesn't come from the fact that Clem was the playable character, it comes from the fact that Telltale didn't make the best decisions regarding her character. Which means that if things had been done differently (if they hadn't made her do impossible things all the time like kicking down doors and fixing the wind turbine) there wouldn't be any problem with her being the main character.
No, her story clearly isn't over since the recent interview with Kirkman and the Telltale interview with game informer hint at the opposite. Also her story will be over only when Telltale confirms it and as far as I know, they didn't. So until then, I think that her chances of being in season 3 are the same as her chances of not being in it. It could go either way depending on what Telltale will decide.
I personally think that Clem has still a lot of potential and I don't say that just because I like her character, there are many themes that are still left to be explored in the story with her. For example, how is she going to survive with AJ ? She ends up with him in all endings which could mean that he will be important in season 3.
Finally something we agree on...
Who knew?
I guess.
Probably in a direction that's better structured, better planned, and better written than Season 2, I think some people just weren't satisfied with where Clem's story and character went and thought it could have been executed so much better than what we ended up getting, I guess that's one of the reasons why some people think Clem should be the main focus in S3.
It's a miracle.
As a member of a group surviving the apocalypse, Clementine has a responsibility to do things that many people think she shouldn't be doing. Allot of kids in real life have to take care of themselves from as soon as they are able to without their parents holding their hands along the way, some people ask children to do things but forget they are children, some people seek advice from those younger than them, allot of kids are tasked to walk miles just to fetch water for their whole families. Just because big responsibilities for a small child makes little sense to you does not mean they don't exist, in the apocalypse, responsibilities are heavier and have more of an impact, not every child is the same and not every child lives a life where they don't have big responsibilities that others would see as absurd.
I know right.
I don't disagree with the OP or anyone for their reason's. Everyone is entitled to their opinion's and mine is simply that i want Clementine's story to continue. At the end of season 2, we have basically 5 different ending's and 5 different way's to continue with season 3.. The way Telltale ended with season 2 makes me believe Clem will indeed be our main character and I'm simply looking forward to what Telltale has in store for us.
The game series would be in a existential crisis if Clementine is not in the third season
I guess naik was being ironic Sherlock.
I think the main character in season three will be Alvin jr, obviously a few years older.
Are you serious? Eleven year-olds are the best choice you can have for leadership, Why? Because they understand everything, especially morals. When you have daily encounters with immorality/amorality that causes you to question your very humanity, a 11 year-old is your best source for a dose of morality! In fact, I talked to a scientist who gave me his OPINION on the matter and he agreed wholeheartedly. Yep, you read that right, I have a SCIENTIFIC OPINION to back up my factual statement, and if your still not convinced, I have a story to go with it.
Yesterday, I saw a horrendous scene playing out before me, a dog was dying in front of a newborn infant and there was no way to save the poor creature, and that led to a horrible responsibility to be placed upon me. Finding a way to end this situation in a way that would be morally commendable! So, naturally, I scurried off to find the nearest 11 year-old that could guide me through the conundrum, and they were astounding! They absorbed the situation I presented to them, gave me a curt, yet appropriate, answer: " Get that baby to a bar, nimrod!", and ran off to solve another moral dilemma. Thanks to that 11 year-old that baby is drowning it's sorrows in the finest bourbon New Jersey can provide! Dying dog memories, be damned!
So, I hope you understand the error in your words, and will start actively seeking out 11 year-olds so you can live a strong and virtuous life!
Clem is the soul of this game and while what you said is true for season 2, I think she can easily be the opposite in season 3 as she proved at the end. They should NOT abandon her now by any circumstances since she was already a protagonist and now with tons more experience she would be perfect. And please, stop with the time-skips, that's not always making the solutions, rather the opposite in some cases.
What kind of realities are we talking about ?
The realities where kids are forced to into labour at a very young age, where kids are left to take care of themselves and their own families without any aid or supervision, the realities were kids are constantly put in danger etc. Clementine may live in an apocalypse but that doesn't mean people haven't gone through worse than her before the apocalypse.
I got to agree with you. There are probably more unrealistic feats she's accomplished in game than realistic. Like fighting off a fully grown man (Winston/bandit) who's most likely double her size and triple her strength from kidnapping or raping her or whatever he was trying to do to her. and Kicking down doors with her inner Bigby Wolf strength. Suturing her arm when she wasn't even taught how to start and maintain a fire from Christa and etc...
Clementine is or was a great and beloved character but I'd be open to playing with a new protagonist or replaying as Clementine again. Either way I'd be o.k. with Telltale's decision. But even if they don't make Clem the player character again, they should still give her some kind of role next time....a cameo appearance at the very least.
Were going on season 3 which means clementine has to return as the main playable character to go on without her would make no sense you cant call it season 3 with a new cast than it would have to be considered a spin off or a reboot to do that but they said a season 3 and for a 3rd season you need clem there is no one else to take the role from clem to do that you would need someone alive from either season 1 or 2 who is alive that would be the only way if you wanted to play someone else you could not play anyone new the only way that can happen is either someone tied to clem from season 1 or 2 who is alive or to play someone totally new they would have to do a spin off or reboot and right now makes no sense for either a spin off or a reboot it makes no sense after already having a season 2 so only way to play someone else is someone other than clem from season 1 or 2 who survived and to me no one else works for me other than clementine
Christa had been mentioned by some folks as a potential candidate. She was with Clementine for a long time and her status is more uknown than dead. Especially if Kenny can get real lucky as he did. I'm sure Christa must of experienced the same luck. And on the bright side at least we would know what happened to her and maybe what happened in those 16 months. Also we wouldn't have the same limitations as Clem had.. playing as a fully grown woman than a child. But this is if they do not plan on using the same protagonist twice. Which kind of sounds like a interesting idea. At least we would get to explore more characters to play.
Since Clementine cannot age beyond the comic book. She would pretty much still be the same age by the time season 3 is released. and playing Clem again would be more of the same actually just with a different setting and other new characters to interact with. I'm not against Clementine being protagonist again and I'm not for it either..neutral. Folks bringing up AJ is just plain ridiculous. Might as well play as Omid's cat if that were the case. & Omid's cat NOT confirmed for season 3.
For everyone automatically assuming the OP choose Wellingon and is one of those, 'Kenny fanatics', consider this.
Anyway you look at it, any of the endings could be safe in a sense or she could still be screwed.
If she is in Wellington, then good for Clem she found a 'safe haven'. However, we don't know if this place is really safe.
If she is at Howes with Jane, yay she has someone who will teach her how to survive. But the 'family' could pose a threat no matter what you do.
If Clem is alone, thank God because both of those worthless assfucks are gone or dead. Jane could be dead, Kenny could be dead, or whatever. At least Clem can live her life without those assfucks holding her back. Or, it could feel incomplete because it might seem Clem is still searching for something.
Yes, Wellington is the only good ending.
God damn these forums are still so fucking toxic.
Having said all that, I agree with you OP. I won't be playing another Walking Dead Game, I might if Clem isn't the protag, but it's just not worth it anymore.
I really, really hope not, and plus that'd be a bad move: Clementine is everyone's favourite (well, pretty much everyones) so making a new protagonist would result in a drop in sales immediately. Secondly, I alongside the majority of people didn't really have much time to bond with Alvin and Rebecca like I/we did with the characters of season 1 so I don't really feel anything for the baby, and the same goes for a lot of people. (