Shades of grey. No one is completely good or bad. I mean look at Carver. Yeah he was evil, very, very evil but he had good in him. I think Jane was right that at one point he probably had a good job, a nice happy family and was a regular good guy until the apocalypse came about and took that away from him making him into a monster.
I like Lily. Ok, she lost her mind and she did a terrible thing shooting Carley/Doug, but that doesn't make her a bad person... People do crazy things when they lose their minds. If Lily is a terrible person, what about Lee?
I wish this game actually had choices. Like you get to actually chose your path. I liked Carver over Kenny. Why couldn't there be a different path there. The game felt really linear.
Shades of grey. No one is completely good or bad. I mean look at Carver. Yeah he was evil, very, very evil but he had good in him. I think J… moreane was right that at one point he probably had a good job, a nice happy family and was a regular good guy until the apocalypse came about and took that away from him making him into a monster.
Carley and Lilly were both right and wrong. The matter needed to be addressed but tensions were too high. It caused Carley to push Lilly too far and Lilly snapped one way or the other. Lilly turned on her and shot her dead because she got too mad, and Carly knew Lilly was losing it.
In the case of Doug, Ben was the more likely of the two because Lilly had less bias. She hated Carley, Doug was ok. Doug was too noble and jumped in the way, saving Ben. Lilly had no distraction so Ben was putting that bullseye right on him.
Lilly was right. But it doesn't mean she had to do what she did. Then again there's a good chance it saved her own life.
Nate didn't kill Walt just because he called Russell a spook and Lily didn't kill Carley just because of her snapping on her. Lily was a wreck and was in no mental position to be taunted she reacted on a dime. Its been 2 years since Season 1, who is to say she isn't living with it?
Nate didn't kill Walt just because he called Russell a spook and Lily didn't kill Carley just because of her snapping on her. Lily was a wre… moreck and was in no mental position to be taunted she reacted on a dime. Its been 2 years since Season 1, who is to say she isn't living with it?
Lilly just got done sniping some foolish bandits, SHE HAD THE BLOODLUST!
It seemed like one of those moments that Lilly was just at her limit and couldn't put up with more conflict that would result in nothing. Everyone's got a breaking point and the supplies being stolen with no one taking any real responsibility just did it.
Carley and Lilly were both right and wrong. The matter needed to be addressed but tensions were too high. It caused Carley to push Lilly t… moreoo far and Lilly snapped one way or the other. Lilly turned on her and shot her dead because she got too mad, and Carly knew Lilly was losing it.
In the case of Doug, Ben was the more likely of the two because Lilly had less bias. She hated Carley, Doug was ok. Doug was too noble and jumped in the way, saving Ben. Lilly had no distraction so Ben was putting that bullseye right on him.
Lilly was right. But it doesn't mean she had to do what she did. Then again there's a good chance it saved her own life.
Lilly had absolutely zero proof that Carley was the traitor since Carley wasn't the traitor and helped save the group from the bandits. But I suppose you're right when you say it wasn't entirely random. Lilly accused Carley because she hated her. She accused Carley first, and when she accused Ben later she still pulled Carley into it by saying it was both of them. She was even straight up telling Ben to accuse Carley of being the traitor, and that if he did so then everything would "Be right as rain," in Lilly's own words. Carley shouldn't have been forced to take that abuse, and she was right to stand up for herself because, as you seem to forget, she was completely innocent. Why is it okay for Lilly to spew false accusations and threaten to throw people out of the group because she doesn't like them, but when those innocent people stand up to her bullying suddenly they're in the wrong?
It wasn't random...Lilly either narrowed it down to Ben and Carley or just Ben. We saw what would've happened if Carley wasn't there, Lilly … morewould've tried to shoot Ben and then Doug saves him. Carley showed her outrageous disloyalty to Lilly and the group with that outburst and Lilly thought it was Carley. Just because Carley didn't pull the tigger doesn't mean she didn't cause her own death.
Actually Lilly didn't have any real hatred towards Carley. It was always just Lilly using some good detective work. She narrowed it down to Ben and Carley...Why? Well, Carley had no real loyalty to the group and she was suspicious. Ben was...Ben...Quite obvious. It could have been them both as Lilly had seen them together. In this situation she just needed someone to take the blame and forcing it on someone is wrong. However, she never hated Carley...No one knew Carley was innocent.
Let me ask you...If Lilly shot Ben and then later on you found out Carley was the traitor...Would you feel the same way?
Lilly had absolutely zero proof that Carley was the traitor since Carley wasn't the traitor and helped save the group from the bandits. But … moreI suppose you're right when you say it wasn't entirely random. Lilly accused Carley because she hated her. She accused Carley first, and when she accused Ben later she still pulled Carley into it by saying it was both of them. She was even straight up telling Ben to accuse Carley of being the traitor, and that if he did so then everything would "Be right as rain," in Lilly's own words. Carley shouldn't have been forced to take that abuse, and she was right to stand up for herself because, as you seem to forget, she was completely innocent. Why is it okay for Lilly to spew false accusations and threaten to throw people out of the group because she doesn't like them, but when those innocent people stand up to her bullying suddenly they're in the wrong?
It was but she wasn't the only on. Carley was too mad to hold back verbally, Ben was freaking out. Determinately Lee can reacting tot his with a flared temper and Kenny is just pissed that he's trying to fix a truck with his son hurt and this is going on. That's exactly my point. Aside from the Kids, Katjaa and if you saved him, Doug (and unless you play Lee as calmly as possible) there is too many tempers too high to handle this without someone losing it, and it turned out to be the on pointing the gun.
Lilly just got done sniping some foolish bandits, SHE HAD THE BLOODLUST!
It seemed like one of those moments that Lilly was just at her l… moreimit and couldn't put up with more conflict that would result in nothing. Everyone's got a breaking point and the supplies being stolen with no one taking any real responsibility just did it.
Lilly didn't hate Carley? Carley never showed any loyalty to the group? Did we play the same Season 1? It was established pretty much from their introductions that Lilly and Carley never liked each other, and Carley saved the group more times than Lilly ever did. Carley came back when the group was held hostage by the St. Johns and took a shot at Andy that allowed Lee to act ("If you hadn't taken that shot, we might not have gotten out of there." - Lee) and during the bandit raid Carley straight up kills two of the bandits Lilly accuses her of working with without batting an eye, then helps Lee fight off the walkers so the group can escape. How is that not loyalty? There was zero evidence supporting her accusations of Carley.
If Ben was shot and later it turned out to be Carley that was the traitor, I still would have felt alright about leaving Lilly on the side of the road because you don't just execute innocent people like a maniac, regardless of if I like them or not.
Actually Lilly didn't have any real hatred towards Carley. It was always just Lilly using some good detective work. She narrowed it down to … moreBen and Carley...Why? Well, Carley had no real loyalty to the group and she was suspicious. Ben was...Ben...Quite obvious. It could have been them both as Lilly had seen them together. In this situation she just needed someone to take the blame and forcing it on someone is wrong. However, she never hated Carley...No one knew Carley was innocent.
Let me ask you...If Lilly shot Ben and then later on you found out Carley was the traitor...Would you feel the same way?
Hating each other and not liking each other are VERY different things. Lilly didn't hate Carley but they rarely agreed.
Carley came back when the group was held hostage by the St. Johns and took a shot at Andy that allowed Lee to act
Fair enough but Lilly can also save your life IF you don't decide to splash her father's brain juices all over her.
during the bandit raid Carley straight up kills two of the bandits Lilly accuses her of working with without batting an eye, then helps Lee fight off the walkers so the group can escape.
Lilly took the shot that allowed that. Lilly also helped.
Yes, Carley showed loyalty just not to Lilly as I said. Lilly didn't see any loyalty to the group.
There was zero evidence supporting her accusations of Carley.
Because Carley being all weird like was off screen.
Lilly didn't hate Carley? Carley never showed any loyalty to the group? Did we play the same Season 1? It was established pretty much from t… moreheir introductions that Lilly and Carley never liked each other, and Carley saved the group more times than Lilly ever did. Carley came back when the group was held hostage by the St. Johns and took a shot at Andy that allowed Lee to act ("If you hadn't taken that shot, we might not have gotten out of there." - Lee) and during the bandit raid Carley straight up kills two of the bandits Lilly accuses her of working with without batting an eye, then helps Lee fight off the walkers so the group can escape. How is that not loyalty? There was zero evidence supporting her accusations of Carley.
If Ben was shot and later it turned out to be Carley that was the traitor, I still would have felt alright about leaving Lilly on the side of the road because you don't just execute innocent people like a maniac, regardless of if I like them or not.
Hating each other and not liking each other are VERY different things. Lilly didn't hate Carley but they rarely agreed.
Carley came ba… moreck when the group was held hostage by the St. Johns and took a shot at Andy that allowed Lee to act
Fair enough but Lilly can also save your life IF you don't decide to splash her father's brain juices all over her.
during the bandit raid Carley straight up kills two of the bandits Lilly accuses her of working with without batting an eye, then helps Lee fight off the walkers so the group can escape.
Lilly took the shot that allowed that. Lilly also helped.
Yes, Carley showed loyalty just not to Lilly as I said. Lilly didn't see any loyalty to the group.
There was zero evidence supporting her accusations of Carley.
Because Carley being all weird like was off screen.
Lilly took the shot that allowed that. Lilly also helped.
I'm not saying that Lilly didn't help. She did help save the group, but Ca… morerley helped just as much.
Yes, Carley showed loyalty just not to Lilly as I said. Lilly didn't see any loyalty to the group.
So Lilly is justified in shooting Carley because Carley was loyal to the group in general, but not Lilly in particular?
Because Carley being all weird like was off screen.
It must have been, because I never witnessed it.
I find it hard to believe that Lilly never saw help save the group even once, given all the times she ended up doing so. She was looking right at Carley when she killed those bandits during the raid.
Me neither but we went by 3 months and possibly a week...So...There's a lot we don't see.
Yeah, the whole "We never saw it" argument doesn't work. Is there any proof Carley was acting "Weird" that doesn't come from a biased source? All we have is Lilly's word, or more accurately her paranoid ramblings, to suggest that Carley was anything but loyal to the group.
So Lilly is justified in shooting Carley because Carley was loyal to the group in general, but not Lilly in particular?
Lilly didn't… more see it.
It must have been, because I never witnessed it.
Me neither but we went by 3 months and possibly a week...So...There's a lot we don't see.
Lilly didn't see it.
I find it hard to believe that Lilly never saw help save the group even once, given all the times she ended up … moredoing so. She was looking right at Carley when she killed those bandits during the raid.
Me neither but we went by 3 months and possibly a week...So...There's a lot we don't see.
Yeah, the whole "We never saw it" argument doesn't work. Is there any proof Carley was acting "Weird" that doesn't come from a biased source? All we have is Lilly's word, or more accurately her paranoid ramblings, to suggest that Carley was anything but loyal to the group.
If lily came back, the first thing i would do would be to shoot her in the face. I dont want to see her ever again. She was a raging lunatic bitch, and i hope she got slowly eaten by zombies when i left her on the side of the road.
Oh yes, Lilly and Lee were the only reasons they got away. Lilly was actually the only reason Lee had time to save everyone.
So...Lilly w… moreas the only reason everyone's alive and we know what the Bandits do to women and men...Rape and murder. Lilly was a damn hero, even when she couldn't trust everyone, she saved them all.
So I'm not the only one that doesn't really care about Carley? Like wow, she's a woman who can shoot a gun. Guess what, Lilly was too. And she showed her shooting experience to Carley's face quite well.
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Shades of grey. No one is completely good or bad. I mean look at Carver. Yeah he was evil, very, very evil but he had good in him. I think Jane was right that at one point he probably had a good job, a nice happy family and was a regular good guy until the apocalypse came about and took that away from him making him into a monster.
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I wish this game actually had choices. Like you get to actually chose your path. I liked Carver over Kenny. Why couldn't there be a different path there. The game felt really linear.
Carley and Lilly were both right and wrong. The matter needed to be addressed but tensions were too high. It caused Carley to push Lilly too far and Lilly snapped one way or the other. Lilly turned on her and shot her dead because she got too mad, and Carly knew Lilly was losing it.
In the case of Doug, Ben was the more likely of the two because Lilly had less bias. She hated Carley, Doug was ok. Doug was too noble and jumped in the way, saving Ben. Lilly had no distraction so Ben was putting that bullseye right on him.
Lilly was right. But it doesn't mean she had to do what she did. Then again there's a good chance it saved her own life.
No...It's really not.
What she did was wrong but her reasons for doing so isn't...People are over reacting about Lilly and yet they don't even understand her.
Nate didn't kill Walt just because he called Russell a spook and Lily didn't kill Carley just because of her snapping on her. Lily was a wreck and was in no mental position to be taunted she reacted on a dime. Its been 2 years since Season 1, who is to say she isn't living with it?
You responded to the wrong person I presume.
Lilly just got done sniping some foolish bandits, SHE HAD THE BLOODLUST!
It seemed like one of those moments that Lilly was just at her limit and couldn't put up with more conflict that would result in nothing. Everyone's got a breaking point and the supplies being stolen with no one taking any real responsibility just did it.
Lilly had absolutely zero proof that Carley was the traitor since Carley wasn't the traitor and helped save the group from the bandits. But I suppose you're right when you say it wasn't entirely random. Lilly accused Carley because she hated her. She accused Carley first, and when she accused Ben later she still pulled Carley into it by saying it was both of them. She was even straight up telling Ben to accuse Carley of being the traitor, and that if he did so then everything would "Be right as rain," in Lilly's own words. Carley shouldn't have been forced to take that abuse, and she was right to stand up for herself because, as you seem to forget, she was completely innocent. Why is it okay for Lilly to spew false accusations and threaten to throw people out of the group because she doesn't like them, but when those innocent people stand up to her bullying suddenly they're in the wrong?
Actually Lilly didn't have any real hatred towards Carley. It was always just Lilly using some good detective work. She narrowed it down to Ben and Carley...Why? Well, Carley had no real loyalty to the group and she was suspicious. Ben was...Ben...Quite obvious. It could have been them both as Lilly had seen them together. In this situation she just needed someone to take the blame and forcing it on someone is wrong. However, she never hated Carley...No one knew Carley was innocent.
Let me ask you...If Lilly shot Ben and then later on you found out Carley was the traitor...Would you feel the same way?
It was but she wasn't the only on. Carley was too mad to hold back verbally, Ben was freaking out. Determinately Lee can reacting tot his with a flared temper and Kenny is just pissed that he's trying to fix a truck with his son hurt and this is going on. That's exactly my point. Aside from the Kids, Katjaa and if you saved him, Doug (and unless you play Lee as calmly as possible) there is too many tempers too high to handle this without someone losing it, and it turned out to be the on pointing the gun.
Lilly didn't hate Carley? Carley never showed any loyalty to the group? Did we play the same Season 1? It was established pretty much from their introductions that Lilly and Carley never liked each other, and Carley saved the group more times than Lilly ever did. Carley came back when the group was held hostage by the St. Johns and took a shot at Andy that allowed Lee to act ("If you hadn't taken that shot, we might not have gotten out of there." - Lee) and during the bandit raid Carley straight up kills two of the bandits Lilly accuses her of working with without batting an eye, then helps Lee fight off the walkers so the group can escape. How is that not loyalty? There was zero evidence supporting her accusations of Carley.
If Ben was shot and later it turned out to be Carley that was the traitor, I still would have felt alright about leaving Lilly on the side of the road because you don't just execute innocent people like a maniac, regardless of if I like them or not.
Hating each other and not liking each other are VERY different things. Lilly didn't hate Carley but they rarely agreed.
Fair enough but Lilly can also save your life IF you don't decide to splash her father's brain juices all over her.
Lilly took the shot that allowed that. Lilly also helped.
Yes, Carley showed loyalty just not to Lilly as I said. Lilly didn't see any loyalty to the group.
Because Carley being all weird like was off screen.
I tried to kill two birds with one stone you both brought up decent points
You should of tagged them then. :P
I'm not saying that Lilly didn't help. She did help save the group, but Carley helped just as much.
So Lilly is justified in shooting Carley because Carley was loyal to the group in general, but not Lilly in particular?
It must have been, because I never witnessed it.
Lilly didn't see it.
Me neither but we went by 3 months and possibly a week...So...There's a lot we don't see.
I find it hard to believe that Lilly never saw help save the group even once, given all the times she ended up doing so. She was looking right at Carley when she killed those bandits during the raid.
Yeah, the whole "We never saw it" argument doesn't work. Is there any proof Carley was acting "Weird" that doesn't come from a biased source? All we have is Lilly's word, or more accurately her paranoid ramblings, to suggest that Carley was anything but loyal to the group.
Nope.
Sorry buddy.
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and Kenny wasn't?
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Hey Dawn. :P
Exactly.
No one realizes the weight of leading a group that big. Not to mention her being sleep deprived whilst doing it.
And recently had her dad's head explode onto her.
So I'm not the only one that doesn't really care about Carley? Like wow, she's a woman who can shoot a gun. Guess what, Lilly was too. And she showed her shooting experience to Carley's face quite well.
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That would absolutely suck.
If my dad wasn't such a prick, I'd probably shoot someone in the head too.
I never said he wasn't. He is. And i shot him in the face.