How 'bout both Kenny and Jane are terrible people, and Clementine was better off without either of those chucklefucks driving her into a shallow grave?
Then we're in mutual agreement that the coldness not having any kind of negative impact on the group and being irrelevant to the story was just pure bad writing, I assume.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the person and how they play Clementine as. I know I wouldn't take the chance, but more power to you.
I happen to dislike Jane myself due to the Sarah incident, but I happen to disagree with the idea of condemning her for a crime she didn't technically commit. I'm just complicated like that with my morals, dagnabbit.
I wasn't trying to provoke you for an endless argument just to annoy you, but to provide you some reasonable ideas as to why I believe that Jane may not entirely in the wrong with her actions, even if her 'bady is dead' plan was utterly messed up and could have been dealt with in a more humane way. I'm not forcing you to change your opinions, and I'm not wanting you to agree with me either. If you want to stop now, we can stop now.
I did too. Shame that I knew that Telltale wouldn't let us take that option.
I agree about the baby not having an immunity to the cold, but the cold itself is never perceived as a major problem to the group, especiall… morey when a newborn is introduced to the group who is at the biggest risk of dying due to the sheer coldness. If the characters never stresses that the cold could kill them at anytime, then I assume that the audience shouldn't care either.
That's a writing problem.
Where and who did we hear about Wellington other than Christa and Kenny? There's no posters around the country advertising the place since Season 2 started, we never actually meet someone who actually lives there to confirm that Wellington do indeed exist. There's no concrete evidence that the place exists, and a rational person wouldn't risk the group and their own lives over a place they've only just heard of and not assume that it might not even exist or be still standing.
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Then we're in mutual agreement that the coldness not having any kind of negative impact on the group and being irrelevant to the story was just pure bad writing, I assume.
Yes sir.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the person and how they play Clementine as. I know I wouldn't take the chance, but more power to you.
We still have to remember that Clem is a child and if an adult wants to go somewhere then you have little say...Well...Unless you shoot them. :P
I happen to dislike Jane myself due to the Sarah incident, but I happen to disagree with the idea of condemning her for a crime she didn't technically commit. I'm just complicated like that with my morals, dagnabbit.
I dislike Jane for a lot of reasons. She may have no killed the baby or left it to die but she tried to make people believe that...Was it worthy of death? Who knows and frankly why do we care?
I wasn't trying to provoke you for an endless argument just to annoy you
Oh you weren't, we're fine. I just think KVJ arguments are stupid and...I dislike both the characters so defending one feels weird.
I'm not forcing you to change your opinions, and I'm not wanting you to agree with me either. If you want to stop now, we can stop now.
Again, I know. It's fine that we have different opinions, we're just sharing them. I rather this debate not get to a point to where we actually get annoyed. We can stop if you want to. :P
I did too. Shame that I knew that Telltale wouldn't let us take that option.
I actually liked Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie...I hate Jane and Kenny and i'm indifferent about the baby. If I was in Clem's position then I would ask to grab the baby and leave.
Then we're in mutual agreement that the coldness not having any kind of negative impact on the group and being irrelevant to the story was j… moreust pure bad writing, I assume.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the person and how they play Clementine as. I know I wouldn't take the chance, but more power to you.
I happen to dislike Jane myself due to the Sarah incident, but I happen to disagree with the idea of condemning her for a crime she didn't technically commit. I'm just complicated like that with my morals, dagnabbit.
I wasn't trying to provoke you for an endless argument just to annoy you, but to provide you some reasonable ideas as to why I believe that Jane may not entirely in the wrong with her actions, even if her 'bady is dead' plan was utterly messed up and could have been dealt with in a more humane way. I'm not forcing you to change your opinions, and I'm not wanting you to agree with me either. If you want to stop now… [view original content]
Then we're in mutual agreement that the coldness not having any kind of negative impact on the group and being irrelevant to the story was j… moreust pure bad writing, I assume.
Yes sir.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the person and how they play Clementine as. I know I wouldn't take the chance, but more power to you.
We still have to remember that Clem is a child and if an adult wants to go somewhere then you have little say...Well...Unless you shoot them. :P
I happen to dislike Jane myself due to the Sarah incident, but I happen to disagree with the idea of condemning her for a crime she didn't technically commit. I'm just complicated like that with my morals, dagnabbit.
I dislike Jane for a lot of reasons. She may have no killed the baby or left it to die but she tried to make people believe that...Was it worthy of death? Who knows and frankly why do we care?
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Jane also IS the type of person to abandon anyone if it gives her even a minimal chance of additional survival. It's not surprising that both Kenny AND Clem thought she abandonned AJ to the Walkers in order to get away. She'd been talking about how the baby was a liability since before it was even born.
Not to mention, she abandonned Clem to walkers just a few MINUTES before her brilliant 'plan' ... right after she tried to also get Clem to abandon Kenny when he went looking for more fuel.
False equivalency.... What she did was wrong but IMO her actions does not justify him automatically going after her like that, even if you hated her guts.
If Jane hadnt tried to abandonned Kenny to the walkers as soon as he left the car to get more fuel. Or if Jane hadnt abandonned Clem to the walker in the truck to escape without her. Or if Jane hadnt hidden the baby and acted like she had abandonned or killed it in order to remove a liability to survival. Or if Jane had stopped fighting any of the multiple times that Clem pulls Jane off of Kenny when she has the upper hand. Or if she hadnt stated MULTIPLE times how the baby was a liability and asking 'what they should do with it.' Or if she didn't continually antagonize Kenny. Or if she listened to Clem at least once in the truck. Or during the fight. Or told ANYONE what she actually did.
Or... you know... if the game gave the option to shoot her OR Kenny to just wound them (or shoot both to just wound them). Or shoot up in the air to get their attention.
Yes, it was meant to address what you said. You're still missing my point. The baby is being used as an object to help Kenny keep his sanity together. He's not being treated as a person. That's what I object to. It makes no difference that the baby doesn't know it. He might know it if Kenny cracked and took it out on him.
I'm going to assume this was suppose to be replied to me.
First off, it's a baby...It again has no idea what's happening, it's not going … moreto leave the group or anything like that. It doesn't have dreams or ambitions, it's a baby. You think it knows it has someone's sanity on it's shoulders? No, it's a baby, it probably can't even distinguish who is who right now.
What if he's not enough to keep Kenny from cracking, or yes, what if he dies?
It is apparently and if it dies...Well...Look at Jane.
He's an object, not a person.
A baby is a person.
Yes, it was meant to address what you said. You're still missing my point. The baby is being used as an object to help Kenny keep his sanity… more together. He's not being treated as a person. That's what I object to. It makes no difference that the baby doesn't know it. He might know it if Kenny cracked and took it out on him.
Kenny definitely wouldnt beat a baby. More like he'd die to protect the baby. Or kill others to protect the baby without a second thought. The only person who would be willing to kill a baby (or a child, or abandon a baby or child) to prove a point or protect herself that I've seen was Jane.
Kenny definitely wouldnt beat a baby. More like he'd die to protect the baby. Or kill others to protect the baby without a second thought.… more The only person who would be willing to kill a baby (or a child, or abandon a baby or child) to prove a point or protect herself that I've seen was Jane.
So him running out of bullets shooting zombies to get to the rest stop, that you find unlikely. But him wanting to kill someone with his bare hands instead of shooting her, like he shot Carver, and how he wanted to shoot Arvo - that you can believe?
If that truly was Kenny logic, Arvo would be dead and he wouldnt have listened at ALL to people telling him not to shoot.
Also, Arvo would have been dead after Arvo shot Clementine. Instead, his first thought (and Jane's first thought, to her credit) was to save Clementine and AJ and get them to the truck.
Where do you know for sure that Kenny's gun had any ammo left? He fired several shots at zombies before getting to the rest stop, then nine days later, the only gun left is Clementine's.
I think Clem's the ONE person who Kenny would never be able to bring himself to kill. She's the reminder of his old life, of before he lost his family. He loves her like family. Even if she chopped off Sarita's arm, and he blows up at her, what he DOESNT do it try to kill or hurt her. And he apologizes afterwards for blowing up at her. And if you say it WAS your fault, he then starts letting you know it was NOT your fault, and you did everything you could, and apologizes again. Give him some slack for not being all calm and peaceful after the second love of his life dies... MINUTES afterwards.
When the scene with Jane's trick happened, I was convinced she had killed the baby as well. If I had the chance, I would have had Clem shoot her. As it is, I said 'How could you have done that!' to Jane.... and she doesnt say she didnt, choosing to let Clem think Jane had killed AJ or abandoned the baby to the walkers to give herself a chance to escape. It's not in any way unreasonable to have Kenny think the same thing. As for it turning out that the baby was not dead, that's a moot point, since both Clem and Kenny did not know that, and had no way whatsoever OF knowing that, and Jane did everything to imply that AJ was dead.
In fact, when you try to stop Jane from continuing to attack Kenny when Kenny is already down, she pushes YOU aside and wants to finish him off - seems she's just as bloodthirsty as Kenny, is not MORESO, since she instigates the entire thing.
The baby was hidden in a car in a location she knew he'd be safe and away from the walkers. If she truly wanted to baby dead out of pragmati… moresm, why inside a car? Why not just throw him to the walkers for them to feast on or a hill of snow and allow him to be smothered by the blizzard? A pragmatic survivor would have done so since she had her hands on the baby as soon as she was separated from the group in the blizzard, and yet she chooses a car, the most safest and surest away for the baby to continue living and be kept safe away from the walkers. This is not something a pragmatic survivor would do, especially when she's planning to trick Kenny to prove a necessary point to Clementine about his state of mind.
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Jane was far worse. Kenny still had the ability to trust others. He trusted Mike and was surprised that he helped Arvo. Jane didnt even trust Clementine to tell her the truth.
Plus Kenny is willing to sacrifice himself for Clem and the baby. Jane is not capable of the heroic sacrifice. It's proven by how Kenny tries to get Clem to leave him with AJ to be safe in Wellington, even though that would mean he'd be all alone, without supplies, in winter, and would probably go insane from loneliness and despair. If it was Clem and Kenny at Howes, for example, Kenny would be willing to let the family in (after taking the man's weapon). If for no other reason than they had a child with them as well. And if they didnt have a child, he'd be a lot easier for Clem to convince than Jane was. He still believes that others can be trusted until they show they're not trustworthy (like Arvo, or like Jane, and after what happened to Clem, like Mike and Bonnie). He's even willing to give people who mess up another chance - like when he tried to save Ben even after the colossal messup Ben was for most of Season 1 - and he is angry about Luke's death, despite that Luke messed up by not keeping a lookout for Walkers so he could get a roll in the hay with Jane.
How 'bout both Kenny and Jane are terrible people, and Clementine was better off without either of those chucklefucks driving her into a shallow grave?
Both are shit, end of story. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is completely subjective.
Whether you like Kenny or Jane, they both have one thing in common. They both drag Clementine in the gutters with them. That's why I wasted Kenny and left Jane to rot in the frozen hellscape all alone.
Jane was far worse. Kenny still had the ability to trust others. He trusted Mike and was surprised that he helped Arvo. Jane didnt even t… morerust Clementine to tell her the truth.
Plus Kenny is willing to sacrifice himself for Clem and the baby. Jane is not capable of the heroic sacrifice. It's proven by how Kenny tries to get Clem to leave him with AJ to be safe in Wellington, even though that would mean he'd be all alone, without supplies, in winter, and would probably go insane from loneliness and despair. If it was Clem and Kenny at Howes, for example, Kenny would be willing to let the family in (after taking the man's weapon). If for no other reason than they had a child with them as well. And if they didnt have a child, he'd be a lot easier for Clem to convince than Jane was. He still believes that others can be trusted until they show they're not trustworthy (like Arvo, or like Jane, and after what happened to Clem, like Mike a… [view original content]
Both are shit, end of story. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is completely subjective.
Whether you like Kenny or Jane, they both have … moreone thing in common. They both drag Clementine in the gutters with them. That's why I wasted Kenny and left Jane to rot in the frozen hellscape all alone.
Both are shit, end of story. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is completely subjective.
Whether you like Kenny or Jane, they both have … moreone thing in common. They both drag Clementine in the gutters with them. That's why I wasted Kenny and left Jane to rot in the frozen hellscape all alone.
I don't think he intended to kill Jane, and did he look in a state of mind where he would just calmly shoot her in the head and ended it ? And believe it or not, I don't think Kenny wanted to kill Jane, but I don't think he thought about when he would stop the fight either, he just didn't think it through and just wanted to 'kill' Jane at the moment.
I don't know if it's fair to say "in real life X would have done Y"
We're in the middle of an apocalypse where death runs rampant, everyo… morene is almost certifiably insane, everyone is heavily emotionally traumatized by this point, and their nerves are absolutely frayed every waking second of their lives now
Not to mention that Kenny is in a state of pure unadulterated rage, who knows what the hell is going through his mind? Maybe he thinks shooting Jane is too good for her. Maybe in this state of rage he forgot he even had a gun (people gain an abnormal sense of tunnel-vision when they are completely and utterly pissed off. You fighting with someone like that? They don't give a shit about anything other than getting their hands around the neck of whoever pissed them off.) Maybe he straight up doesn't have ammo or dropped it earlier. None of it is entirely out of the question.
We honestly don't know if he would take the family at Howe's if they went there. I'm sure once he saw the guy packing a gun behind his back, he would have confronted him.
Jane was far worse. Kenny still had the ability to trust others. He trusted Mike and was surprised that he helped Arvo. Jane didnt even t… morerust Clementine to tell her the truth.
Plus Kenny is willing to sacrifice himself for Clem and the baby. Jane is not capable of the heroic sacrifice. It's proven by how Kenny tries to get Clem to leave him with AJ to be safe in Wellington, even though that would mean he'd be all alone, without supplies, in winter, and would probably go insane from loneliness and despair. If it was Clem and Kenny at Howes, for example, Kenny would be willing to let the family in (after taking the man's weapon). If for no other reason than they had a child with them as well. And if they didnt have a child, he'd be a lot easier for Clem to convince than Jane was. He still believes that others can be trusted until they show they're not trustworthy (like Arvo, or like Jane, and after what happened to Clem, like Mike a… [view original content]
If Jane hadnt tried to abandonned Kenny to the walkers as soon as he left the car to get more fuel. Or if Jane hadnt abandonned Clem to the … morewalker in the truck to escape without her. Or if Jane hadnt hidden the baby and acted like she had abandonned or killed it in order to remove a liability to survival. Or if Jane had stopped fighting any of the multiple times that Clem pulls Jane off of Kenny when she has the upper hand. Or if she hadnt stated MULTIPLE times how the baby was a liability and asking 'what they should do with it.' Or if she didn't continually antagonize Kenny. Or if she listened to Clem at least once in the truck. Or during the fight. Or told ANYONE what she actually did.
Or... you know... if the game gave the option to shoot her OR Kenny to just wound them (or shoot both to just wound them). Or shoot up in the air to get their attention.
You don't get to choose to lose your mind...You don't just wake up one morning and think I'm crazy today and the next say I'm sane. You don't do that you lose your mind over mental issues and past events that could cause mental issues like PTSD.
There's no moral equivalency between Jane and Kenny. Bot hare flawed individuals, but Jane is a LOT WORSE. Both do drag Clementine down with them, but Kenny is the only one of the two who would be willing to die or sacrifice for Clementine, and who would not abandon her. I looked away as Kenny killed Jane, then forgave him. I went with him to Wellington, where he then tried to get Clem and AJ to stay at Wellington after he begged them to take the children, even if it meant leaving him outside.... and without the supplies too. And at that point I just could not do that. Worst case scenario, when Kenny dies, Clem can always take AJ back to wellington where they'd take them in.
Both are shit, end of story. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is completely subjective.
Whether you like Kenny or Jane, they both have … moreone thing in common. They both drag Clementine in the gutters with them. That's why I wasted Kenny and left Jane to rot in the frozen hellscape all alone.
Oh... Kenny would probably make him disarm if he's going to let the family stay where AJ and Clem are. Though I think Clem can talk him down from that too. And Kenny's more likely to understand why he'd have a gun IN THE ZOMBIE WASTELAND while CARING FOR the woman and child. He can relate. Like how he quickly took to trusting Lee as well.
We honestly don't know if he would take the family at Howe's if they went there. I'm sure once he saw the guy packing a gun behind his back, he would have confronted him.
Oh, he's at fault for a lot of stuff... but not for what happened with Jane. That was ALL Jane's fault.
And his faults were not because of doing something duplicitous - they were always something logical, but gone awry by the fact that he can't control his temper with people who prove themselves to be massively untrustworthy. I'm amazed he trusted Bonnie at ALL after what she did - mostly because Clem seems to forgive her too, and she did temporarily redeem herself by helping them escape
Yes. They're both flawed. But one is flawed and duplicitous and disloyal. Kenny is many things - angry, stubborn as hell, prone to tunnel vision... but he's not disloyal.
Also, yeah we don't know how he would take the family, but the fact that they have a kid with them? That makes it a lot more likely that Kenny would let his guard down.
We honestly don't know if he would take the family at Howe's if they went there. I'm sure once he saw the guy packing a gun behind his back, he would have confronted him.
I think he was just enraged about the idea that Jane killed AJ (since she sees the baby as a liability to her own survival) or left AJ to be killed by walkers in order to save her own hide. She wasnt 'Jane' - she was Babykiller Jane. At any time, she could have fessed up when she had the upper hand. Which she had multiple times.
I don't think he intended to kill Jane, and did he look in a state of mind where he would just calmly shoot her in the head and ended it ? A… morend believe it or not, I don't think Kenny wanted to kill Jane, but I don't think he thought about when he would stop the fight either, he just didn't think it through and just wanted to 'kill' Jane at the moment.
If you make the big things difficult enough then you can lose your mind if something happens. Why has Kenny and countless other people lost it and 8 year old Clem didn't ? Because she simply took the sadness as it came, cried her heart out and kept moving without carrying too much of unnecessary emotional burden, sure she's still sad that she lost so many people, but she still very much lives with the present and appreciates and loves the people around her as much as possible without being stuck in the past too much.
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Chuckle fuck xD
Then we're in mutual agreement that the coldness not having any kind of negative impact on the group and being irrelevant to the story was just pure bad writing, I assume.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the person and how they play Clementine as. I know I wouldn't take the chance, but more power to you.
I happen to dislike Jane myself due to the Sarah incident, but I happen to disagree with the idea of condemning her for a crime she didn't technically commit. I'm just complicated like that with my morals, dagnabbit.
I wasn't trying to provoke you for an endless argument just to annoy you, but to provide you some reasonable ideas as to why I believe that Jane may not entirely in the wrong with her actions, even if her 'bady is dead' plan was utterly messed up and could have been dealt with in a more humane way. I'm not forcing you to change your opinions, and I'm not wanting you to agree with me either. If you want to stop now, we can stop now.
I did too. Shame that I knew that Telltale wouldn't let us take that option.
Yes sir.
We still have to remember that Clem is a child and if an adult wants to go somewhere then you have little say...Well...Unless you shoot them. :P
I dislike Jane for a lot of reasons. She may have no killed the baby or left it to die but she tried to make people believe that...Was it worthy of death? Who knows and frankly why do we care?
Oh you weren't, we're fine. I just think KVJ arguments are stupid and...I dislike both the characters so defending one feels weird.
Again, I know. It's fine that we have different opinions, we're just sharing them. I rather this debate not get to a point to where we actually get annoyed. We can stop if you want to. :P
I actually liked Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie...I hate Jane and Kenny and i'm indifferent about the baby. If I was in Clem's position then I would ask to grab the baby and leave.
Then we're good.
If I went on any longer I probably would have sounded like a lawyer, if I haven't already.
Yup, good debate.
If I went on longer then I would have gotten rude...Long debates usually do that. :P
Don't sweat it, we're both still civil and that's what matters.
Jane also IS the type of person to abandon anyone if it gives her even a minimal chance of additional survival. It's not surprising that both Kenny AND Clem thought she abandonned AJ to the Walkers in order to get away. She'd been talking about how the baby was a liability since before it was even born.
Not to mention, she abandonned Clem to walkers just a few MINUTES before her brilliant 'plan' ... right after she tried to also get Clem to abandon Kenny when he went looking for more fuel.
Yes it is.
If Jane hadnt tried to abandonned Kenny to the walkers as soon as he left the car to get more fuel. Or if Jane hadnt abandonned Clem to the walker in the truck to escape without her. Or if Jane hadnt hidden the baby and acted like she had abandonned or killed it in order to remove a liability to survival. Or if Jane had stopped fighting any of the multiple times that Clem pulls Jane off of Kenny when she has the upper hand. Or if she hadnt stated MULTIPLE times how the baby was a liability and asking 'what they should do with it.' Or if she didn't continually antagonize Kenny. Or if she listened to Clem at least once in the truck. Or during the fight. Or told ANYONE what she actually did.
Or... you know... if the game gave the option to shoot her OR Kenny to just wound them (or shoot both to just wound them). Or shoot up in the air to get their attention.
Yes, it was meant to address what you said. You're still missing my point. The baby is being used as an object to help Kenny keep his sanity together. He's not being treated as a person. That's what I object to. It makes no difference that the baby doesn't know it. He might know it if Kenny cracked and took it out on him.
It's a fucking baby.
Kenny won't beat a baby.
A baby doesn't know what's happening.
You don't understand why this bugs me, that's fine.
Apparently.
Kenny definitely wouldnt beat a baby. More like he'd die to protect the baby. Or kill others to protect the baby without a second thought. The only person who would be willing to kill a baby (or a child, or abandon a baby or child) to prove a point or protect herself that I've seen was Jane.
Exactly.
So him running out of bullets shooting zombies to get to the rest stop, that you find unlikely. But him wanting to kill someone with his bare hands instead of shooting her, like he shot Carver, and how he wanted to shoot Arvo - that you can believe?
If that truly was Kenny logic, Arvo would be dead and he wouldnt have listened at ALL to people telling him not to shoot.
Also, Arvo would have been dead after Arvo shot Clementine. Instead, his first thought (and Jane's first thought, to her credit) was to save Clementine and AJ and get them to the truck.
Where do you know for sure that Kenny's gun had any ammo left? He fired several shots at zombies before getting to the rest stop, then nine days later, the only gun left is Clementine's.
I think Clem's the ONE person who Kenny would never be able to bring himself to kill. She's the reminder of his old life, of before he lost his family. He loves her like family. Even if she chopped off Sarita's arm, and he blows up at her, what he DOESNT do it try to kill or hurt her. And he apologizes afterwards for blowing up at her. And if you say it WAS your fault, he then starts letting you know it was NOT your fault, and you did everything you could, and apologizes again. Give him some slack for not being all calm and peaceful after the second love of his life dies... MINUTES afterwards.
When the scene with Jane's trick happened, I was convinced she had killed the baby as well. If I had the chance, I would have had Clem shoot her. As it is, I said 'How could you have done that!' to Jane.... and she doesnt say she didnt, choosing to let Clem think Jane had killed AJ or abandoned the baby to the walkers to give herself a chance to escape. It's not in any way unreasonable to have Kenny think the same thing. As for it turning out that the baby was not dead, that's a moot point, since both Clem and Kenny did not know that, and had no way whatsoever OF knowing that, and Jane did everything to imply that AJ was dead.
In fact, when you try to stop Jane from continuing to attack Kenny when Kenny is already down, she pushes YOU aside and wants to finish him off - seems she's just as bloodthirsty as Kenny, is not MORESO, since she instigates the entire thing.
Jane was far worse. Kenny still had the ability to trust others. He trusted Mike and was surprised that he helped Arvo. Jane didnt even trust Clementine to tell her the truth.
Plus Kenny is willing to sacrifice himself for Clem and the baby. Jane is not capable of the heroic sacrifice. It's proven by how Kenny tries to get Clem to leave him with AJ to be safe in Wellington, even though that would mean he'd be all alone, without supplies, in winter, and would probably go insane from loneliness and despair. If it was Clem and Kenny at Howes, for example, Kenny would be willing to let the family in (after taking the man's weapon). If for no other reason than they had a child with them as well. And if they didnt have a child, he'd be a lot easier for Clem to convince than Jane was. He still believes that others can be trusted until they show they're not trustworthy (like Arvo, or like Jane, and after what happened to Clem, like Mike and Bonnie). He's even willing to give people who mess up another chance - like when he tried to save Ben even after the colossal messup Ben was for most of Season 1 - and he is angry about Luke's death, despite that Luke messed up by not keeping a lookout for Walkers so he could get a roll in the hay with Jane.
Both are shit, end of story. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, is completely subjective.
Whether you like Kenny or Jane, they both have one thing in common. They both drag Clementine in the gutters with them. That's why I wasted Kenny and left Jane to rot in the frozen hellscape all alone.
Moral Wise:
Nate> Kenny>>>>>>>>Jane
I let Kenny kill her and then I shot him, got them both out of the way for good.
I don't think he intended to kill Jane, and did he look in a state of mind where he would just calmly shoot her in the head and ended it ? And believe it or not, I don't think Kenny wanted to kill Jane, but I don't think he thought about when he would stop the fight either, he just didn't think it through and just wanted to 'kill' Jane at the moment.
Ikr ? I think it was just lazy writing again. Further proof as to why TWDG S2 is one of the worst games ever made.
We honestly don't know if he would take the family at Howe's if they went there. I'm sure once he saw the guy packing a gun behind his back, he would have confronted him.
or the baby cried earlier lols.
It's great to know Kenny is not at fault at all for anything.
It IS kind of a choice, it's like Clem said to Jane while offering her rum "People just love making it harder than it has to be".
There's no moral equivalency between Jane and Kenny. Bot hare flawed individuals, but Jane is a LOT WORSE. Both do drag Clementine down with them, but Kenny is the only one of the two who would be willing to die or sacrifice for Clementine, and who would not abandon her. I looked away as Kenny killed Jane, then forgave him. I went with him to Wellington, where he then tried to get Clem and AJ to stay at Wellington after he begged them to take the children, even if it meant leaving him outside.... and without the supplies too. And at that point I just could not do that. Worst case scenario, when Kenny dies, Clem can always take AJ back to wellington where they'd take them in.
Oh... Kenny would probably make him disarm if he's going to let the family stay where AJ and Clem are. Though I think Clem can talk him down from that too. And Kenny's more likely to understand why he'd have a gun IN THE ZOMBIE WASTELAND while CARING FOR the woman and child. He can relate. Like how he quickly took to trusting Lee as well.
Wow - overreact much to what I said?
Oh, he's at fault for a lot of stuff... but not for what happened with Jane. That was ALL Jane's fault.
And his faults were not because of doing something duplicitous - they were always something logical, but gone awry by the fact that he can't control his temper with people who prove themselves to be massively untrustworthy. I'm amazed he trusted Bonnie at ALL after what she did - mostly because Clem seems to forgive her too, and she did temporarily redeem herself by helping them escape
Yes. They're both flawed. But one is flawed and duplicitous and disloyal. Kenny is many things - angry, stubborn as hell, prone to tunnel vision... but he's not disloyal.
Pete > everyone except Clem.
Also, yeah we don't know how he would take the family, but the fact that they have a kid with them? That makes it a lot more likely that Kenny would let his guard down.
I wouldnt go THAT far. But it's definitely inferior to Season 1, for the most part.
I think he was just enraged about the idea that Jane killed AJ (since she sees the baby as a liability to her own survival) or left AJ to be killed by walkers in order to save her own hide. She wasnt 'Jane' - she was Babykiller Jane. At any time, she could have fessed up when she had the upper hand. Which she had multiple times.
He wanted to kill her like a man.
Lol, sure it is.
You can things difficult but you don't choose to lose your mind. Being difficult and being crazy are TWO very DIFFERENT things.
If you make the big things difficult enough then you can lose your mind if something happens. Why has Kenny and countless other people lost it and 8 year old Clem didn't ? Because she simply took the sadness as it came, cried her heart out and kept moving without carrying too much of unnecessary emotional burden, sure she's still sad that she lost so many people, but she still very much lives with the present and appreciates and loves the people around her as much as possible without being stuck in the past too much.