You still think seeing these events wouldn't give you a mental issue? Clem herself has problems and is determinantly crazy and has survivor's guilt. Everyone experiences something differently.
If you make the big things difficult enough then you can lose your mind if something happens. Why has Kenny and countless other people lost … moreit and 8 year old Clem didn't ? Because she simply took the sadness as it came, cried her heart out and kept moving without carrying too much of unnecessary emotional burden, sure she's still sad that she lost so many people, but she still very much lives with the present and appreciates and loves the people around her as much as possible without being stuck in the past too much.
Had I known when I first played the conclusion there'd be a second "kill Kenny" option and it'd be as badass as it was (shooting Kenny point blank in the face was a work of beauty) I'd had just let that bastard waste Jane and end her manipulative scheme before burying a lead bullet in his temple.
But, alas, I thought at the time the "shoot Kenny" option was the only chance I'd be given. So I took it... And then promptly told Jane to fuck off.
In real life anyone with brains would have just blown hers out.
In real life, it wouldn't been a fair fight, luckily for Jane its a … morevideo game. Another example of bad writing, he could of disarmed her, taken her knife, forced her to talk but he didn't. Its like crossing the ice. We all knew how that was going to end.
Or Or...Jane couldn't have pretended to kill the one of the last things keeping Kenny sane in an attempt to kill him/prove a point.
That would've avoided the fight entirely.
If everything was nothing only to be something than nothing would happen but that technically means something would happen because nothing is something.
She has said several times in S2 that nobody died is anyone's fault. Although "I got Lee killed" is a dialogue option while talking to Kenny in Ep 2, so maybe she thinks that she was somewhat responsible, but considering that she is still strong means that she is handling things better than many people out there. How is Clem 'crazy' btw ?
"Everyone experiences something differently"
I don't think it's like some people are meant to have mental problems over deaths and some are not. Remember Nick wanted to die after Pete died and had lost all hope but he chose to get up after hearing Clem, making Sarah get up in that trailer was almost impossible but Clem made her snap out of it a little bit.
You still think seeing these events wouldn't give you a mental issue? Clem herself has problems and is determinantly crazy and has survivor's guilt. Everyone experiences something differently.
She can think all these deaths are her fault. Take Bonnie in E5 or Kenny in E4, they push the blame onto her and make her feel guilty. Clem can be a little psychopath if you want.
For that second paragraph...Lol. You know nothing of mental illnesses. Nick wanted to die after Pete died and still wanted to, he just had one heroic moment. Sarah suffered from PTSD and Anxiety before Carlos died, after she also suffered from depression. Some people can handle death very well by pushing it to the back of their head like Luke but most suffer from issues brought on by that tragic experience of deatn. Just because you snap out of it for a second doesn't mean it's gone, not in the slightest. Some people do get mental problems over death and some do not.
She has said several times in S2 that nobody died is anyone's fault. Although "I got Lee killed" is a dialogue option while talking to Kenny… more in Ep 2, so maybe she thinks that she was somewhat responsible, but considering that she is still strong means that she is handling things better than many people out there. How is Clem 'crazy' btw ?
"Everyone experiences something differently"
I don't think it's like some people are meant to have mental problems over deaths and some are not. Remember Nick wanted to die after Pete died and had lost all hope but he chose to get up after hearing Clem, making Sarah get up in that trailer was almost impossible but Clem made her snap out of it a little bit.
Bonnie was just being desperate, and in Kenny's case it was somewhat right, but not by a lot, and I'm sure Clem is smart enough to know that.
Well, obviously the key to this argument is whether you believe a person can learn to handle sadness and anger better over time, or not. So there's probably no point in continuing cause I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
She can think all these deaths are her fault. Take Bonnie in E5 or Kenny in E4, they push the blame onto her and make her feel guilty. Clem … morecan be a little psychopath if you want.
For that second paragraph...Lol. You know nothing of mental illnesses. Nick wanted to die after Pete died and still wanted to, he just had one heroic moment. Sarah suffered from PTSD and Anxiety before Carlos died, after she also suffered from depression. Some people can handle death very well by pushing it to the back of their head like Luke but most suffer from issues brought on by that tragic experience of deatn. Just because you snap out of it for a second doesn't mean it's gone, not in the slightest. Some people do get mental problems over death and some do not.
So him running out of bullets shooting zombies to get to the rest stop, that you find unlikely. But him wanting to kill someone with his bare hands instead of shooting her, like he shot Carver, and how he wanted to shoot Arvo - that you can believe?
There is a big difference from killing someone from a distance, to stabbing someone in the chest, when your eye locked with them. If you never been in that situation be glad.
I don't think it was that, it was Jane knew that telling Kenny the newborn was dead would crush his world, she wanted him out of the picture by any means necessary. He didn't take it very well, he got anger issues and he is a complete nutjob, he close to that kid. Jane said it to bait kenny into a fight, i don't know if Kenny intended to kill her or not, but i do know Jane intended to kill/get rid of Kenny from the start.
The point being, he wanted to shoot Arvo (and would have if the rest of the group didnt talk him out of it), he did shoot Carver (at least to incapacitate him before beating him to death) and if he had bullets, he would have shot Jane as well. If nothing else, it would have made the fight easier. He didnt even OPEN with a gunshot - that heavily implies he didnt HAVE any bullets left after shooting zombies to get to the rest stop.
I sort of liked Beyond Two souls as well - it was a good storyline, but the gameplay mechanics were awful. I wouldnt say it's better than Walking Dead Season 2 though. It would be a real toss-up for me on which was better or worse.
They both fell amazingly short from their prequels Heavy Rain and Season 1. I didn't like Beyond but its better than S2. Neither really felt like much of a game but Season 2 far less
I sort of liked Beyond Two souls as well - it was a good storyline, but the gameplay mechanics were awful. I wouldnt say it's better than Walking Dead Season 2 though. It would be a real toss-up for me on which was better or worse.
You know that's got me thinking. If he did have ammo or at least pull out a gun and point it at Jane, do you think Jane would have told the truth then (a moment before he would shoot the gun)? She took a wild guess that her plan could work.
The point being, he wanted to shoot Arvo (and would have if the rest of the group didnt talk him out of it), he did shoot Carver (at least t… moreo incapacitate him before beating him to death) and if he had bullets, he would have shot Jane as well. If nothing else, it would have made the fight easier. He didnt even OPEN with a gunshot - that heavily implies he didnt HAVE any bullets left after shooting zombies to get to the rest stop.
You know that's got me thinking. If he did have ammo or at least pull out a gun and point it at Jane, do you think Jane would have told the truth then (a moment before he would shoot the gun)? She took a wild guess that her plan could work.
I dunno. Heavy Rain was good once you got into the game, but it is SO slow-going from the beginning. As Zero Punctuation described it:
"Heavy Rain is a game in the same way that Ian Thorpe is a salmon. [...] Heavy Rain starts: you wake up, have a shower, get dressed, slap yourself in the face, have a drink, go sit in the garden for a while. Your kids come home, you play with your kids, then you stab your kids with a knife! Oh no, wait, that was just me stabbing an electrical socket to make something interesting happen."
In other words.... Heavy Rain is a bit slow to get to anything interesting. I think Beyond, at least, gets to the interesting stuff a lot sooner - so that's an improvement.
I agree that Season 2 falls VERY short of Season 1, but I don't think the game is awful - I just think it's bad when you compare it to Season 1, because of a bunch of plot holes, inconsistent characters, dangling storylines without resolution, a lack of illusion of choice (in which you don't even get a single episode to think you accomplished something), and a lack of obvious choices. But they mostly stand out because Season 1 avoided most of these problems.
They both fell amazingly short from their prequels Heavy Rain and Season 1. I didn't like Beyond but its better than S2. Neither really felt like much of a game but Season 2 far less
Tell me why did Jane think Kenny was so dangerous? I guess it wasn't because of what he displayed with Arvo, nearly beating him to death similar to how Carver nearly beat him to death or the fact that Kenny treated members of the group like shit, wouldn't take any input from them and forced his rule upon them.
P.S. I don't hate Kenny, he's one of my favourite characters, his flaws are what makes him stand out and make people understand his character more.
only reason Kenny got the upper hand at first is because Jane put her knife away.
He got the upper hand because she is a woman, and he is a man. It is not a fair fight.
I don't think she would've, similar to how she doesn't reveal the truth when she's about to be stabbed. It's evident she could has said AJ is alive but she didn't. It seemed like Jane would die to show Clementine what Kenny is like and give her the choice to be with him and maybe face the consequence?
You know that's got me thinking. If he did have ammo or at least pull out a gun and point it at Jane, do you think Jane would have told the truth then (a moment before he would shoot the gun)? She took a wild guess that her plan could work.
Tell me why did Jane think Kenny was so dangerous? I guess it wasn't because of what he displayed with Arvo, nearly beating him to death sim… moreilar to how Carver nearly beat him to death or the fact that Kenny treated members of the group like shit, wouldn't take any input from them and forced his rule upon them.
P.S. I don't hate Kenny, he's one of my favourite characters, his flaws are what makes him stand out and make people understand his character more.
You think you would, but you don't know you would. Those are two different things.
If I was in that exact same situation, under the exact same parameters, I'd probably attack, too.
This isn't about being right this is about mental problems caused by death and despair. The key to this argument is that people suffer from mental illnesses brought on by large amounts of trauma. You don't understand this or mental illnesses at all like PTSD, so yes, there is no point to keep this going.
Bonnie was just being desperate, and in Kenny's case it was somewhat right, but not by a lot, and I'm sure Clem is smart enough to know that… more.
Well, obviously the key to this argument is whether you believe a person can learn to handle sadness and anger better over time, or not. So there's probably no point in continuing cause I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
I would say there is a difference between someone pointing a gun at you from a distance and someone on top of you pressing a knife, using all of your strength to get em off. Jane did ask for Clementine's help before getting knifed even though earlier she asked not to interfere, so maybe not that much willing to die, but hey as I said there is a difference. Who knows what could've come from that hypothetical.
I don't think she would've, similar to how she doesn't reveal the truth when she's about to be stabbed. It's evident she could has said AJ i… mores alive but she didn't. It seemed like Jane would die to show Clementine what Kenny is like and give her the choice to be with him and maybe face the consequence?
On one hand.. Jane's primary goal is surviving. So on one hand, she might reveal the truth if he had a gun aimed at her head. On the OTHER hand, she's a nutcase and didn't say anything when Kenny was about to stab her with the knife (although she might have thought she could stop him or something, or maybe was too busy trying to stop him from pushing the knife down).
You know that's got me thinking. If he did have ammo or at least pull out a gun and point it at Jane, do you think Jane would have told the truth then (a moment before he would shoot the gun)? She took a wild guess that her plan could work.
So him running out of bullets shooting zombies to get to the rest stop, that you find unlikely. But him wanting to kill someone with his bare hands instead of shooting her, like he shot Carver, and how he wanted to shoot Arvo - that you can believe?
I prefer that style of killing over the other ways honestly. I do think that both of them were jumping to conclusions with Jane only knowing Kenny for just a few days and thinking hes insane, (Season 2 didn't really transition to different months like season 1 did.) and then Kenny just automatically assumed that she left the baby on purpose. So I would say that alone is good if you don't want someone like Ben or Nick (who no offense, make a lot of mistakes). Though both are likely to die in season 3 as they are determinant.
What I'm saying is that people can learn to handle sadness better as the time goes which can avoid PTSD, and you're saying people can't. That's it, I made it pretty clear in my previous comment, so you just looked like you wanted to take a shot at me with your reply.
This isn't about being right this is about mental problems caused by death and despair. The key to this argument is that people suffer from … moremental illnesses brought on by large amounts of trauma. You don't understand this or mental illnesses at all like PTSD, so yes, there is no point to keep this going.
In a world where people aren't eating each other, yes. You didn't make it clear, I responded telling you the truth. I never took a "Shot" at you, you just don't understand mental illnesses and what they can do and where they come from, that's not my fault.
What I'm saying is that people can learn to handle sadness better as the time goes which can avoid PTSD, and you're saying people can't. Tha… moret's it, I made it pretty clear in my previous comment, so you just looked like you wanted to take a shot at me with your reply.
I find it interesting how I never saw a single person that disliked Jane until the release of episode 5 :x It feels like if a person who keeps doing good does one bad thing it makes them worse than another character.
I find it interesting how I never saw a single person that disliked Jane until the release of episode 5 :x It feels like if a person who keeps doing good does one bad thing it makes them worse than another character.
So when the apocalypse starts, people automatically forget how to mature ? How does that work ? Maybe you mean that it's very tough to do that in the apocalypse, but that's it, it's very tough, not impossible.
In a world where people aren't eating each other, yes. You didn't make it clear, I responded telling you the truth. I never took a "Shot" at… more you, you just don't understand mental illnesses and what they can do and where they come from, that's not my fault.
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You still think seeing these events wouldn't give you a mental issue? Clem herself has problems and is determinantly crazy and has survivor's guilt. Everyone experiences something differently.
Worst game ever made? You haven't played many games, have you?
Had I known when I first played the conclusion there'd be a second "kill Kenny" option and it'd be as badass as it was (shooting Kenny point blank in the face was a work of beauty) I'd had just let that bastard waste Jane and end her manipulative scheme before burying a lead bullet in his temple.
But, alas, I thought at the time the "shoot Kenny" option was the only chance I'd be given. So I took it... And then promptly told Jane to fuck off.
I highly doubt Kenny would've forced Jane to talk, only reason Kenny got the upper hand at first is because Jane put her knife away.
Or Kenny could've showed more respect to his group instead of forcing his way by treating members of the group like shit.
If Lee's wife never had an affair none of this would have happened.
If everything was nothing only to be something than nothing would happen but that technically means something would happen because nothing is something.
Let's blame it on Arvo, he's the one who turned Kenny and Jane's relationship into a bad one
She has said several times in S2 that nobody died is anyone's fault. Although "I got Lee killed" is a dialogue option while talking to Kenny in Ep 2, so maybe she thinks that she was somewhat responsible, but considering that she is still strong means that she is handling things better than many people out there. How is Clem 'crazy' btw ?
"Everyone experiences something differently"
I don't think it's like some people are meant to have mental problems over deaths and some are not. Remember Nick wanted to die after Pete died and had lost all hope but he chose to get up after hearing Clem, making Sarah get up in that trailer was almost impossible but Clem made her snap out of it a little bit.
She can think all these deaths are her fault. Take Bonnie in E5 or Kenny in E4, they push the blame onto her and make her feel guilty. Clem can be a little psychopath if you want.
For that second paragraph...Lol. You know nothing of mental illnesses. Nick wanted to die after Pete died and still wanted to, he just had one heroic moment. Sarah suffered from PTSD and Anxiety before Carlos died, after she also suffered from depression. Some people can handle death very well by pushing it to the back of their head like Luke but most suffer from issues brought on by that tragic experience of deatn. Just because you snap out of it for a second doesn't mean it's gone, not in the slightest. Some people do get mental problems over death and some do not.
Do you want me to disagree or what?
I hate Kenny too, however the last fight happened because of Jane. You can't deny that.
Its more than that I like Beyond 2 Souls better than Season 2 and that game was way below mediocrity standards
Bonnie was just being desperate, and in Kenny's case it was somewhat right, but not by a lot, and I'm sure Clem is smart enough to know that.
Well, obviously the key to this argument is whether you believe a person can learn to handle sadness and anger better over time, or not. So there's probably no point in continuing cause I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
Interesting. Both cases you use, Carver and Arvo, he actually only beats the shit out of. He does shoot Carver, but then proceeds to beat his face in.
There is a big difference from killing someone from a distance, to stabbing someone in the chest, when your eye locked with them. If you never been in that situation be glad.
He got the upper hand because she is a woman, and he is a man. It is not a fair fight.
I don't think it was that, it was Jane knew that telling Kenny the newborn was dead would crush his world, she wanted him out of the picture by any means necessary. He didn't take it very well, he got anger issues and he is a complete nutjob, he close to that kid. Jane said it to bait kenny into a fight, i don't know if Kenny intended to kill her or not, but i do know Jane intended to kill/get rid of Kenny from the start.
That is how i see it.
The point being, he wanted to shoot Arvo (and would have if the rest of the group didnt talk him out of it), he did shoot Carver (at least to incapacitate him before beating him to death) and if he had bullets, he would have shot Jane as well. If nothing else, it would have made the fight easier. He didnt even OPEN with a gunshot - that heavily implies he didnt HAVE any bullets left after shooting zombies to get to the rest stop.
I sort of liked Beyond Two souls as well - it was a good storyline, but the gameplay mechanics were awful. I wouldnt say it's better than Walking Dead Season 2 though. It would be a real toss-up for me on which was better or worse.
They both fell amazingly short from their prequels Heavy Rain and Season 1. I didn't like Beyond but its better than S2. Neither really felt like much of a game but Season 2 far less
You know that's got me thinking. If he did have ammo or at least pull out a gun and point it at Jane, do you think Jane would have told the truth then (a moment before he would shoot the gun)? She took a wild guess that her plan could work.
That's a good point.
I dunno. Heavy Rain was good once you got into the game, but it is SO slow-going from the beginning. As Zero Punctuation described it:
"Heavy Rain is a game in the same way that Ian Thorpe is a salmon. [...] Heavy Rain starts: you wake up, have a shower, get dressed, slap yourself in the face, have a drink, go sit in the garden for a while. Your kids come home, you play with your kids, then you stab your kids with a knife! Oh no, wait, that was just me stabbing an electrical socket to make something interesting happen."
In other words.... Heavy Rain is a bit slow to get to anything interesting. I think Beyond, at least, gets to the interesting stuff a lot sooner - so that's an improvement.
I agree that Season 2 falls VERY short of Season 1, but I don't think the game is awful - I just think it's bad when you compare it to Season 1, because of a bunch of plot holes, inconsistent characters, dangling storylines without resolution, a lack of illusion of choice (in which you don't even get a single episode to think you accomplished something), and a lack of obvious choices. But they mostly stand out because Season 1 avoided most of these problems.
Have him play Escape Dead Island if he wants the worst zombie game ever made. Or the OTHER Walking Dead game (Survival Instinct).
Tell me why did Jane think Kenny was so dangerous? I guess it wasn't because of what he displayed with Arvo, nearly beating him to death similar to how Carver nearly beat him to death or the fact that Kenny treated members of the group like shit, wouldn't take any input from them and forced his rule upon them.
P.S. I don't hate Kenny, he's one of my favourite characters, his flaws are what makes him stand out and make people understand his character more.
Wow, aren't you sexist? Who would win in a fight between a scrawny dude and a bodybuilder lady?
I don't think she would've, similar to how she doesn't reveal the truth when she's about to be stabbed. It's evident she could has said AJ is alive but she didn't. It seemed like Jane would die to show Clementine what Kenny is like and give her the choice to be with him and maybe face the consequence?
Okay, I agree Kenny is dangerous. I just disagree with Jane's timing and way of doing it...And just Jane overall.
Some people know themselves better than others know themselves.
This isn't about being right this is about mental problems caused by death and despair. The key to this argument is that people suffer from mental illnesses brought on by large amounts of trauma. You don't understand this or mental illnesses at all like PTSD, so yes, there is no point to keep this going.
I would say there is a difference between someone pointing a gun at you from a distance and someone on top of you pressing a knife, using all of your strength to get em off. Jane did ask for Clementine's help before getting knifed even though earlier she asked not to interfere, so maybe not that much willing to die, but hey as I said there is a difference. Who knows what could've come from that hypothetical.
On one hand.. Jane's primary goal is surviving. So on one hand, she might reveal the truth if he had a gun aimed at her head. On the OTHER hand, she's a nutcase and didn't say anything when Kenny was about to stab her with the knife (although she might have thought she could stop him or something, or maybe was too busy trying to stop him from pushing the knife down).
Yes, I believe Kenny would enjoy killing someone with his bare hands. Know why? Because we've seen him do it.
I prefer that style of killing over the other ways honestly. I do think that both of them were jumping to conclusions with Jane only knowing Kenny for just a few days and thinking hes insane, (Season 2 didn't really transition to different months like season 1 did.) and then Kenny just automatically assumed that she left the baby on purpose. So I would say that alone is good if you don't want someone like Ben or Nick (who no offense, make a lot of mistakes). Though both are likely to die in season 3 as they are determinant.
After first SHOOTING him to incapacitate him.
If he had bullets available, he would have shot Jane too
What I'm saying is that people can learn to handle sadness better as the time goes which can avoid PTSD, and you're saying people can't. That's it, I made it pretty clear in my previous comment, so you just looked like you wanted to take a shot at me with your reply.
In a world where people aren't eating each other, yes. You didn't make it clear, I responded telling you the truth. I never took a "Shot" at you, you just don't understand mental illnesses and what they can do and where they come from, that's not my fault.
I find it interesting how I never saw a single person that disliked Jane until the release of episode 5 :x It feels like if a person who keeps doing good does one bad thing it makes them worse than another character.
I didn't hate Jane until I replayed the game, I didn't like her during E5 or before then.
So when the apocalypse starts, people automatically forget how to mature ? How does that work ? Maybe you mean that it's very tough to do that in the apocalypse, but that's it, it's very tough, not impossible.