Although I think Sarah was useless I didn't hate her. Clem is 11. Sarah was 15. Sarah was just so helpless she was a burden and a danger to the group. But again, I didn't hate her
Yes. That was completely pointless. TT could've made Sarah come thru in Amid the Ruins and show that she's trying, even if they wanted her character to ultimately die. She could've died later in the episode or in during the fight with the Russians, amongst other possible scenarios. After you teach Sarah to use the gun I said to myself, hey, we could see a huge difference in Sarah as her and Clem's friendship grows.
Honestly, I think it was Carlos's fault that Sarah wasn't prepared for a world like that. He chose to hide the horror from her rather than t… moreo teach her how to adapt to survive. If Clementine wasn't taught these things, she wouldn't make it in that world like Sarah. But what really bugged me was that even though in episode 2, I taught Sarah how to defend herself with a gun, she never ends up using one.
Sarah lacked the resilience and morale to survive. Clem didn't end up like Sarah because she was taught to protect herself. She didn't have a choice. It was either adapt or die and clementine adapted. After Carlos died, that was Sarah's opportunity to adapt or die...and we all know that turned out. It's Darwinism in action. M
Clem was already pretty tough and smart before she met Lee, she survived for days alone in a treehouse remember ? Some people dislike Sarah and some people don't. I don't hate Sarah, she could have been good friends with Clem.
Sarah did nothing at all
...
nothing at all
So getting Clem the medicine in Ep.1 is nothing?
So standing up for Clem was nothing?
...You hate her for Nick's death...Well...you know what?
Sarah did nothing at all
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nothing at all
So getting Clem the medicine in Ep.1 is nothing?
So standing up for Clem was nothing?
...You hate her for Nick's death...Well...you know what?
I guess i'm neutral about Sarah,because nasmadoodle really do have a point here,she and clem are indirectly cause of some guys death(lee,reggie,etc)
And the fact that she has an anxiety and PTSD? Those guys deaths are not their fault in my opinion,because clem is just too innocent so she can be kidnapped so easily,and sarah has an anxiety and also PTSD
Meh. I guess the medicine thing was something, but not a lot.
Yes, saving Clem's life wasn't a big thing or nothing.
Standing up for Clementine, again I guess that's good, but not a lot, again.
Who else was going to do it?
Here's one negative I haven't forgotten: Taking the picture in the cabin.
Because let's blame Sarah for being a normal girl and taking selfies. Sarah didn't know that Carver was coming, she didn't plan anything...Do you blame Clem for leaving the gun that got Omid shot?
I don't much care for Nick anymore, but it's kinda like how people at Lilly for killing Carley only a little different, this being indirectly.
Actually that is a horrible comparison, Sarah never shot anyone.
Meh. I guess the medicine thing was something, but not a lot.
Standing up for Clementine, again I guess that's good, but not a lot, again… more.
Here's one negative I haven't forgotten: Taking the picture in the cabin.
I don't much care for Nick anymore, but it's kinda like how people at Lilly for killing Carley only a little different, this being indirectly.
yeah, some people can hate her or like or, but you can't really compare Sarah to Clementine, especially not Clem from season one. Comparing Sarah and S1 Clem is comparing a 15yr old and an 8 year old. Sarah in season 2 was at the maturity level of Clem in season one. See the distinction? Season 2 takes place at least 2 years from the 'resurrection'. Everyone in season 1 is still very much trying to figure everything out and adapt to a moral code. By season 2, when we meet Sarah-a good 2 yrs AFTER- the people who are still alive either have or are getting the shit together. Like Jane said, Sarah had little regard for her own safety, let alone anyone else's. Hey, On my first play-through, I saved Sarah from the trailer park-I didn't leave her behind. I did everything to build up my rapport with Sarah. I thought that teaching Sarah how to use a gun would come in handy later in game-that maybe Sarah would have an epiphany and try to change before she kicked the bucket.
I liked Sarah a lot, even if she was naive and a liability at times. I was really pulling for her to make it through. I saw her as what Clementine could have been like if Lee didn't teach her how to survive.
Meh. I guess the medicine thing was something, but not a lot.
Yes, saving Clem's life wasn't a big thing or nothing.
Standing … moreup for Clementine, again I guess that's good, but not a lot, again.
Who else was going to do it?
Here's one negative I haven't forgotten: Taking the picture in the cabin.
Because let's blame Sarah for being a normal girl and taking selfies. Sarah didn't know that Carver was coming, she didn't plan anything...Do you blame Clem for leaving the gun that got Omid shot?
I don't much care for Nick anymore, but it's kinda like how people at Lilly for killing Carley only a little different, this being indirectly.
Actually that is a horrible comparison, Sarah never shot anyone.
Troy saved Clementine's life. I think saving Clem's life isn't really a saving grace, and I think she could have survived without it.
Whi… morech scene are we referring to exactly? I'm not sure.
Carlos wasn't happy about it, and that alone justifies it in my eye.
Notice how I said 'indirectly'.
This is a frivolous argument, so I'm walking away.
i hate sarah before in "all that remains" episode , when she couldn't keep a secret that she help #myclem fixing her arms, and also in a house divided when she told the group i let carver in... but then after i realized what cease to function means, i feel bad about myself playing mean to her soo i replay and trying to be nice at her... she's like that because of carlos overprotective and sheltered like that.. but he's a dad but at least try teaching his daughter to defend herself like make her hair short and use a pistol... but cant blame them...
I agree. But what I find unfortunate about this situation is how different the treatment Ben and Sarah had in their respective seasons.
Ben, in spite of his screw-up and arguably being indirectly responsible for many character deaths, is given the chance to redeem himself and is portrayed in a sympathetic light should you rescue him. In spite of the choice that you can drop him to his death, that choice is demonised due to the anti-Crawford mentality the episode had, and how it will negatively impact Clementine's relationship to Lee. Choosing to save him rewards you with more of Ben's characterisation, and a tragic end to his story that feels neither mean-spirited nor anti-climatic.
Sarah's treatment, however, is downright offensive considering how many people with similar issues as her identified with the character. In comparison to Ben, yet she's created purely to be hated by the players because apparently the writers hates her as well. The game presses the issue many times during the trailer event that she deserves to be left behind for the walkers to feast on purely because she's 'weak' and a 'liability' in spite of causing the least amount of trouble to the group compared to Ben. It doesn't help that the scenario is created due to Jane's pro-Carver/Crawford mentality which you can never choose to disagree or outright reject, when you could choose to agree with the Crawford path and drop Ben to his death.
Choosing to save her doesn't reward you as it would to Ben, since Sarah receives no further characterisation, is seen as 'loony' for being in denial of her father's death, and receives one of the most undignified death in the series for such an undeserving character (even Carver got off easy compared to her) when the moral of the episode was supposedly about 'fallen, but not forsaken', which is ironic considering that this is exactly what happens to Sarah. The rubble from the bridge falling on her corpse and everyone having ignored that a young girl brutally died to coo over a new-born baby was just disgusting.
Put simply, Season 2 basically encourage players to be unsympathetic and cruel to characters such as Sarah, and are rewarded as such. Suppose if there's a wheelchair bound character in Season 3, these writers would be drooling at the idea of a paralysed man/woman crawling away from bloodthirsty monsters while other characters mock him for not being able to walk properly, as if that person had any choice in the matter.
Put simply, people who hate Sarah are incapable of sympathizing with her. It's always "she caused X's death", "she was annoying", "she refus… moreed to grow up", ect. You can't reason with them. Same with the Ben haters. If a character is timid, awkward and has trouble coping with the ZA, they're a prime target for hate on this forum. It's sad, but there's nothing you can do about it.
I don't hate Sarah, I thought she was too boring to be anything other than a space.
From my perspective she wasn't boring at all. I mean i saw a girl who got slapped by her dad for the first time, and pouring out her heart to me. That stuck with me, If you never experienced parental abuse, count yourself lucky.
Sarah Haters
Please don't be childish and immature.
I don't hate Sarah per-se, but I was far from liking her.
I don't … morehate Sarah, I thought she was too boring to be anything other than a space.
Now, going back to your "hater" comment. If you want someone to understand your point, being polite is a good start. As it stands, all your points have fallen on deaf ears now because you refuse to allow others to respectfully disagree with your flimsy arguments. Sorry, I don't like Sarah. I think she's about as bland as characters come.
Sarah did nothing at all
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nothing at all
So getting Clem the medicine in Ep.1 is nothing?
So standing up for Clem was nothing?
...You hate her for Nick's death...Well...you know what?
Sarah and Clem were nothing alike. Clem never shut down and started crying in a corner. When she was told to do something, she did it. Cleme… morentine wouldn't have had to get slapped at Carver's camp for what Sarah got slapped for. She added nothing of value, and the only redeemable and interesting part of her personality was that she was a survivor who didn't want to hurt anybody. Clem showed potential; Sarah never showed any potential.
It's not necessarily about what you have and haven't experienced. Luckily my parents never beat me, but I've been through some less than prosperous shit through my short twenty-one years on this earth.
The issue I have with Sarah is that none of her "heart-pouring" got to me because the way she presented it was in such a predictable way, I knew the kind of stuff she was going to say before she said it. She gets hit by her father, and no joke, I'm like "if I see her again and she's huddled in a dark corner softly sobbing, then TT have failed her character." And sure enough, next time you see her, she's doing just that. Not saying she has to start immediately knocking fuckers out, but I wish her entire character wasn't put in the plot just to make us feel like she was a pathetic weakling who needs protection without any reason as to why I should care.
I started off not liking her character simply cause she was attached to strangers that locked me in a shed. So, what TT should've done was started trying to get us invested in her character and not franticly pulling an entire book of "child clichés" and trying to get everything to stick at once. Build a character one scene at a time, not just placing a bad situation for the character and hoping that the majority that, at the time, disliked her would just magically like her.
I don't hate Sarah, I thought she was too boring to be anything other than a space.
From my perspective she wasn't boring at all. I … moremean i saw a girl who got slapped by her dad for the first time, and pouring out her heart to me. That stuck with me, If you never experienced parental abuse, count yourself lucky.
Exactly. TellTale at least gave Ben an alternate and less painful death, whereas they just completely threw Sarah under the bus. She may as well not have existed at all.
And yeah, it was an extremely low blow to kill her off the way they did. I have a friend with both Asperger's and bad anxiety, and Sarah's death really bothered her. Lots of players identified with her. When I see the "It's just a game" response to this, it makes me sick. Yes, it is just a game, but it killed a very realistic character in a disgusting manner and treated her like shit.
I agree. But what I find unfortunate about this situation is how different the treatment Ben and Sarah had in their respective seasons.
B… moreen, in spite of his screw-up and arguably being indirectly responsible for many character deaths, is given the chance to redeem himself and is portrayed in a sympathetic light should you rescue him. In spite of the choice that you can drop him to his death, that choice is demonised due to the anti-Crawford mentality the episode had, and how it will negatively impact Clementine's relationship to Lee. Choosing to save him rewards you with more of Ben's characterisation, and a tragic end to his story that feels neither mean-spirited nor anti-climatic.
Sarah's treatment, however, is downright offensive considering how many people with similar issues as her identified with the character. In comparison to Ben, yet she's created purely to be hated by the players because apparently the writers hates her as wel… [view original content]
The issue I have with Sarah is that none of her "heart-pouring" got to me because the way she presented it was in such a predictable way,
If you were expecting that TLOU story, look elsewhere. Come on man
just to make us feel like she was a pathetic
At that moment i felt the extremely protective of her. This is the moment i actually started to care. In the beginning i didn't really think much of her at first, she was a little off. Her father asks me to stay away from her, so i'm like Sure. Next episode comes along, and she takes a picture and causes drama. I never forgot that she was the only person in the entire group Luke included, that would help Clementine when she asked, instead of locking her in a shed.
I didn't blame her for that. She didn't have any control over it.
, what TT should've done was started trying to get us invested in her character and not franticly pulling an entire book of "child clichés" and trying to get everything to stick at once
well i will be the last one on these forums to defend the writing of S2. You are absolutely right. The writing was what it was.
It's not necessarily about what you have and haven't experienced. Luckily my parents never beat me, but I've been through some less than pro… moresperous shit through my short twenty-one years on this earth.
The issue I have with Sarah is that none of her "heart-pouring" got to me because the way she presented it was in such a predictable way, I knew the kind of stuff she was going to say before she said it. She gets hit by her father, and no joke, I'm like "if I see her again and she's huddled in a dark corner softly sobbing, then TT have failed her character." And sure enough, next time you see her, she's doing just that. Not saying she has to start immediately knocking fuckers out, but I wish her entire character wasn't put in the plot just to make us feel like she was a pathetic weakling who needs protection without any reason as to why I should care.
I started off not liking her character simply cause she was attached to strangers that l… [view original content]
I liked Sarah as a person, she was nice and was willing to risk herself to defend the people she cares about.
But as a character in a story I have to admit she's a bit boring and they don't do anything with her, it's not her fault, it's just the direction the story took. They do set up some interesting things about her, especially where her PTSD is concerned, but they do nothing with it. They don't even mention that she has PTSD in the game outside of Carlos saying that she's not like everyone else and a few characters finding her a bit strange, they confirm it in an interview, which is really weird because you'd think revealing it in the game would add something, as some people don't even think she has anything, they just think she's a normal teenager who just acts completely childish. I just think it probably would have added something to the choices involving her or perhaps it would have created an interesting discussion, but I can't judge this kind of stuff as I'm not a writer and maybe they had their reasons for not revealing her condition.
When Carlos died near the very end of episode 3 I thought they'd try and give some kind of character development to her but once you get to the choice she ends up like Nick where she's completely silent and waits for her inevitable death, while the rest of the episode focuses on Kenny and the birth of AJ (and sometimes on the other characters, but most of the time it's spent on those two things in particular). The determinant conversation with her is, I have to admit, unsatisfying. You just talk to her and she just either calls you a friend or tells you that they aren't friends.
I thought it was interesting that she didn't get over her fathers death and thought it was an interesting route until they killed her off and didn't give her any development. Her being broken made sense to be a determinant character, unlike Nick who was pretty talkative and outspoken in the first two episodes so I didn't mind her not speaking, I just mind that they do nothing with her. To me she's not the worst handling of a determinant character (I think Nick's determinant status was a lot worse), but it was pretty bad.
I'm...using the story as an example of why I don't like a character in the story. Am I just supposed to randomly make up things that don't exist in the story to justify why I like or dislike her? That seems random.
If you were expecting that TLOU story, look elsewhere.
What? You mean a competent plot that engages the players? Or are you talking about the fact Ellie was a child character done right and not some anemic bore of a character?
At that moment i felt the extremely protective of her. This is the moment i actually started to care.
I can kind of understand why you would. But, that scene was put there to bait people into feeling sorry for her. Needless to say I felt worse about Carlos being forced to doing that to the last thing in the world he loved. Having to break her down like that broke him down far worse than a bruise.
I didn't blame her for that. She didn't have any control over it.
Nor did I, but I didn't know her true intentions at the time. So, naturally, she's with them. She's against me, that's what I thought at first anyways. But, here's a prime example of her character being boring...
When we first meet Sarah, she's reading a book. Ok, so she must be into literature, right? Well, her reading the book was just seasoning to show how "sheltered" and "vulnerable" she was. Cause, it's literally never brought up again. She reads once just to show that she's a lonely little geeky girl with little social skills that needs protection. About as clichéd as clichés come.
They should've expanded her as a young girl that enjoys reading and is naturally very interested in expanding her vocabulary or her mind. But, throughout the rest of the game, she's just the soft-spoken imbecile that only got hit cause she wouldn't shut up even after I had asked her nicely to wait 'till later to tell me about her night or whatever she was going on about.
The issue I have with Sarah is that none of her "heart-pouring" got to me because the way she presented it was in such a predictable way,
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If you were expecting that TLOU story, look elsewhere. Come on man
just to make us feel like she was a pathetic
At that moment i felt the extremely protective of her. This is the moment i actually started to care. In the beginning i didn't really think much of her at first, she was a little off. Her father asks me to stay away from her, so i'm like Sure. Next episode comes along, and she takes a picture and causes drama. I never forgot that she was the only person in the entire group Luke included, that would help Clementine when she asked, instead of locking her in a shed.
I didn't blame her for that. She didn't have any control over it.
, what TT should've done was started trying to get us invested in her character and not franticly pulling an entire book of "child cliché… [view original content]
I'm...using the story as an example of why I don't like a character in the story. Am I just supposed to randomly make up things that don't exist in the story to justify why I like or dislike her? That seems random.
If you were expecting that TLOU story, look elsewhere.
What? You mean a competent plot that engages the players? Or are you talking … moreabout the fact Ellie was a child character done right and not some anemic bore of a character?
At that moment i felt the extremely protective of her. This is the moment i actually started to care.
I can kind of understand why you would. But, that scene was put there to bait people into feeling sorry for her. Needless to say I felt worse about Carlos being forced to doing that to the last thing in the world he loved. Having to break her down like that broke him down far worse than a bruise.
I didn't blame her for that. She didn't have any control over it.
Nor did I, but I didn't know her true intentions at the time. So, naturally, she's with them. She's against me, that's what I thought at first anyways. But, here's a prime example of her character being boring...
When we fir… [view original content]
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Although I think Sarah was useless I didn't hate her. Clem is 11. Sarah was 15. Sarah was just so helpless she was a burden and a danger to the group. But again, I didn't hate her
Yes. That was completely pointless. TT could've made Sarah come thru in Amid the Ruins and show that she's trying, even if they wanted her character to ultimately die. She could've died later in the episode or in during the fight with the Russians, amongst other possible scenarios. After you teach Sarah to use the gun I said to myself, hey, we could see a huge difference in Sarah as her and Clem's friendship grows.
Sarah lacked the resilience and morale to survive. Clem didn't end up like Sarah because she was taught to protect herself. She didn't have a choice. It was either adapt or die and clementine adapted. After Carlos died, that was Sarah's opportunity to adapt or die...and we all know that turned out. It's Darwinism in action. M
Clem was already pretty tough and smart before she met Lee, she survived for days alone in a treehouse remember ? Some people dislike Sarah and some people don't. I don't hate Sarah, she could have been good friends with Clem.
Man this pic gets me everytime...
Dammit GoldenPaladin, HAHAHA
Meh. I guess the medicine thing was something, but not a lot.
Standing up for Clementine, again I guess that's good, but not a lot, again.
Here's one negative I haven't forgotten: Taking the picture in the cabin.
I don't much care for Nick anymore, but it's kinda like how people at Lilly for killing Carley only a little different, this being indirectly.
I guess i'm neutral about Sarah,because nasmadoodle really do have a point here,she and clem are indirectly cause of some guys death(lee,reggie,etc)
And the fact that she has an anxiety and PTSD? Those guys deaths are not their fault in my opinion,because clem is just too innocent so she can be kidnapped so easily,and sarah has an anxiety and also PTSD
Yes, saving Clem's life wasn't a big thing or nothing.
Who else was going to do it?
Because let's blame Sarah for being a normal girl and taking selfies. Sarah didn't know that Carver was coming, she didn't plan anything...Do you blame Clem for leaving the gun that got Omid shot?
Actually that is a horrible comparison, Sarah never shot anyone.
yeah, some people can hate her or like or, but you can't really compare Sarah to Clementine, especially not Clem from season one. Comparing Sarah and S1 Clem is comparing a 15yr old and an 8 year old. Sarah in season 2 was at the maturity level of Clem in season one. See the distinction? Season 2 takes place at least 2 years from the 'resurrection'. Everyone in season 1 is still very much trying to figure everything out and adapt to a moral code. By season 2, when we meet Sarah-a good 2 yrs AFTER- the people who are still alive either have or are getting the shit together. Like Jane said, Sarah had little regard for her own safety, let alone anyone else's. Hey, On my first play-through, I saved Sarah from the trailer park-I didn't leave her behind. I did everything to build up my rapport with Sarah. I thought that teaching Sarah how to use a gun would come in handy later in game-that maybe Sarah would have an epiphany and try to change before she kicked the bucket.
I liked Sarah a lot, even if she was naive and a liability at times. I was really pulling for her to make it through. I saw her as what Clementine could have been like if Lee didn't teach her how to survive.
Troy saved Clementine's life. I think saving Clem's life isn't really a saving grace, and I think she could have survived without it.
Which scene are we referring to exactly? I'm not sure.
Carlos wasn't happy about it, and that alone justifies it in my eye.
Notice how I said 'indirectly'.
This is a frivolous argument, so I'm walking away.
For which example?
Saving her life or standing up?
Standing up. Lol I don't remember it.
That scene is determinant I'm pretty sure.
If Carver slapped Clem and taking the blame for the photo.
Ah.
also if chuck hadn't told lee about that... eh he might not be able to teach clem some basic survival skills dont forget about that
#NeverForgetChuck
#BadassHomelessGuy
i hate sarah before in "all that remains" episode , when she couldn't keep a secret that she help #myclem fixing her arms, and also in a house divided when she told the group i let carver in... but then after i realized what cease to function means, i feel bad about myself playing mean to her soo i replay and trying to be nice at her... she's like that because of carlos overprotective and sheltered like that.. but he's a dad but at least try teaching his daughter to defend herself like make her hair short and use a pistol... but cant blame them...
Well it seems like most people here on the forums love Sarah, but if you go anywhere else (Youtube) everyone hates her.
especially.... gregmiller -bleedly coughs-
I hate Greg Miller as much as he hates Sarah...
Clem wasn't annoying. Sarah was. That is what it comes down to.
I agree. But what I find unfortunate about this situation is how different the treatment Ben and Sarah had in their respective seasons.
Ben, in spite of his screw-up and arguably being indirectly responsible for many character deaths, is given the chance to redeem himself and is portrayed in a sympathetic light should you rescue him. In spite of the choice that you can drop him to his death, that choice is demonised due to the anti-Crawford mentality the episode had, and how it will negatively impact Clementine's relationship to Lee. Choosing to save him rewards you with more of Ben's characterisation, and a tragic end to his story that feels neither mean-spirited nor anti-climatic.
Sarah's treatment, however, is downright offensive considering how many people with similar issues as her identified with the character. In comparison to Ben, yet she's created purely to be hated by the players because apparently the writers hates her as well. The game presses the issue many times during the trailer event that she deserves to be left behind for the walkers to feast on purely because she's 'weak' and a 'liability' in spite of causing the least amount of trouble to the group compared to Ben. It doesn't help that the scenario is created due to Jane's pro-Carver/Crawford mentality which you can never choose to disagree or outright reject, when you could choose to agree with the Crawford path and drop Ben to his death.
Choosing to save her doesn't reward you as it would to Ben, since Sarah receives no further characterisation, is seen as 'loony' for being in denial of her father's death, and receives one of the most undignified death in the series for such an undeserving character (even Carver got off easy compared to her) when the moral of the episode was supposedly about 'fallen, but not forsaken', which is ironic considering that this is exactly what happens to Sarah. The rubble from the bridge falling on her corpse and everyone having ignored that a young girl brutally died to coo over a new-born baby was just disgusting.
Put simply, Season 2 basically encourage players to be unsympathetic and cruel to characters such as Sarah, and are rewarded as such. Suppose if there's a wheelchair bound character in Season 3, these writers would be drooling at the idea of a paralysed man/woman crawling away from bloodthirsty monsters while other characters mock him for not being able to walk properly, as if that person had any choice in the matter.
From my perspective she wasn't boring at all. I mean i saw a girl who got slapped by her dad for the first time, and pouring out her heart to me. That stuck with me, If you never experienced parental abuse, count yourself lucky.
Clemmy pls ;-;
edit, i think this says what i want to say.
Bad Writing is Obvious, why are you trying to use the story to justify your answer.
It's not necessarily about what you have and haven't experienced. Luckily my parents never beat me, but I've been through some less than prosperous shit through my short twenty-one years on this earth.
The issue I have with Sarah is that none of her "heart-pouring" got to me because the way she presented it was in such a predictable way, I knew the kind of stuff she was going to say before she said it. She gets hit by her father, and no joke, I'm like "if I see her again and she's huddled in a dark corner softly sobbing, then TT have failed her character." And sure enough, next time you see her, she's doing just that. Not saying she has to start immediately knocking fuckers out, but I wish her entire character wasn't put in the plot just to make us feel like she was a pathetic weakling who needs protection without any reason as to why I should care.
I started off not liking her character simply cause she was attached to strangers that locked me in a shed. So, what TT should've done was started trying to get us invested in her character and not franticly pulling an entire book of "child clichés" and trying to get everything to stick at once. Build a character one scene at a time, not just placing a bad situation for the character and hoping that the majority that, at the time, disliked her would just magically like her.
Exactly. TellTale at least gave Ben an alternate and less painful death, whereas they just completely threw Sarah under the bus. She may as well not have existed at all.
And yeah, it was an extremely low blow to kill her off the way they did. I have a friend with both Asperger's and bad anxiety, and Sarah's death really bothered her. Lots of players identified with her. When I see the "It's just a game" response to this, it makes me sick. Yes, it is just a game, but it killed a very realistic character in a disgusting manner and treated her like shit.
If you were expecting that TLOU story, look elsewhere. Come on man
At that moment i felt the extremely protective of her. This is the moment i actually started to care. In the beginning i didn't really think much of her at first, she was a little off. Her father asks me to stay away from her, so i'm like Sure. Next episode comes along, and she takes a picture and causes drama. I never forgot that she was the only person in the entire group Luke included, that would help Clementine when she asked, instead of locking her in a shed.
I didn't blame her for that. She didn't have any control over it.
well i will be the last one on these forums to defend the writing of S2. You are absolutely right. The writing was what it was.
Powerful words. Especially the last lines.
I liked Sarah as a person, she was nice and was willing to risk herself to defend the people she cares about.
But as a character in a story I have to admit she's a bit boring and they don't do anything with her, it's not her fault, it's just the direction the story took. They do set up some interesting things about her, especially where her PTSD is concerned, but they do nothing with it. They don't even mention that she has PTSD in the game outside of Carlos saying that she's not like everyone else and a few characters finding her a bit strange, they confirm it in an interview, which is really weird because you'd think revealing it in the game would add something, as some people don't even think she has anything, they just think she's a normal teenager who just acts completely childish. I just think it probably would have added something to the choices involving her or perhaps it would have created an interesting discussion, but I can't judge this kind of stuff as I'm not a writer and maybe they had their reasons for not revealing her condition.
When Carlos died near the very end of episode 3 I thought they'd try and give some kind of character development to her but once you get to the choice she ends up like Nick where she's completely silent and waits for her inevitable death, while the rest of the episode focuses on Kenny and the birth of AJ (and sometimes on the other characters, but most of the time it's spent on those two things in particular). The determinant conversation with her is, I have to admit, unsatisfying. You just talk to her and she just either calls you a friend or tells you that they aren't friends.
I thought it was interesting that she didn't get over her fathers death and thought it was an interesting route until they killed her off and didn't give her any development. Her being broken made sense to be a determinant character, unlike Nick who was pretty talkative and outspoken in the first two episodes so I didn't mind her not speaking, I just mind that they do nothing with her. To me she's not the worst handling of a determinant character (I think Nick's determinant status was a lot worse), but it was pretty bad.
I'm...using the story as an example of why I don't like a character in the story. Am I just supposed to randomly make up things that don't exist in the story to justify why I like or dislike her? That seems random.
What? You mean a competent plot that engages the players? Or are you talking about the fact Ellie was a child character done right and not some anemic bore of a character?
I can kind of understand why you would. But, that scene was put there to bait people into feeling sorry for her. Needless to say I felt worse about Carlos being forced to doing that to the last thing in the world he loved. Having to break her down like that broke him down far worse than a bruise.
Nor did I, but I didn't know her true intentions at the time. So, naturally, she's with them. She's against me, that's what I thought at first anyways. But, here's a prime example of her character being boring...
When we first meet Sarah, she's reading a book. Ok, so she must be into literature, right? Well, her reading the book was just seasoning to show how "sheltered" and "vulnerable" she was. Cause, it's literally never brought up again. She reads once just to show that she's a lonely little geeky girl with little social skills that needs protection. About as clichéd as clichés come.
They should've expanded her as a young girl that enjoys reading and is naturally very interested in expanding her vocabulary or her mind. But, throughout the rest of the game, she's just the soft-spoken imbecile that only got hit cause she wouldn't shut up even after I had asked her nicely to wait 'till later to tell me about her night or whatever she was going on about.
Cool, cool...
Why is there a random picture of two naked people hugging each other?
Why not? Its to symbolize love.
I know right, i cried a little reading these words the first time i saw them. Sad.
Clementine is not realistic, Sarah was.
Season 2 pretty much was disaster after disaster, so i didn't expect much to be honest.
They're naked though... Wouldn't a picture like this be a bit more appropriate?