Why Killing Larry is the Better Choice

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  • I also want to add that no matter how nice Lee is to Larry and even SAVES his life in the pharmacy, Larry's still a dick to Lee. If it had been Kenny or Lee in in Larry's place, Larry AND Lilly wouldn't have thought twice about smashing their brains in. Larry suffered that fate he wished upon Duck. He says they give him the boot outside or at the very least smash his head in. Larry doesn't care about waiting to see if Duck is really bitten or not. He's jumping to conclusions too. In a way, Larry fate is kind of a poetic justice.

  • edited January 2015

    Killing Larry is preemptive self-defense :-)

    Look at what happens on Black Friday....unfortunate people get trampled to death...over getting some stupid item on sale...that's not rational behavior at all

    Deltino posted: »

    So quick to jump to completely irrational conclusions Panicked people + small spaces + potential threat in the same room as them = p

  • I think Lee was passed out for a day or two. remember, Clementine says she's been hiding in her tree-house for at least 2 days. And for there to already be so many walkers nearby and decayed as much as they are...the cop didn't turn immediately...he woke up after smelling Lee next to him.

    What about the cop in the first episode, he turned and immediately lunged and attacked Lee, who's to say Larry wouldn't do the same to Lilly or Lee if you decided to help.

  • I'm going to be different here cause I'm cool like that. When the chips are down and there is no more cheap shots left to take, don't you guys think that Lee, Kenny, Lilly, and Clem could take down a walker Larry? (in the event that the resuscitation did not work)

  • Oh, yes they should be able to, but wouldn't be able to. When Larry is demanding Duck be thrown outside I thought the same thing, 6 adults can't take down 1 child walker?

    If Lee fails to convince Kenny to stop the train, when Lee goes back to the boxcar everyone's dead and Duck attacks him causing Lee and Duck to fall out the train in what is dubbed Duck-Pocalypse. Katja or Ben couldn't have pushed Duck off the train? Lee couldn't do that without falling off himself?

  • I think you're replying to me. That ending wasn't really canon to TWD story, hell I think the devs put that in their because they thought it was just funny. And Larry was just being unreasonable at the pharmacy, because his little old heart couldn't take being scared.

    Perhaps Duck is just 1000X stronger in zombie form and everyone is afraid of his true potential.

    Aerie88 posted: »

    Oh, yes they should be able to, but wouldn't be able to. When Larry is demanding Duck be thrown outside I thought the same thing, 6 adults c

  • Oh, I know it's a non canon death, but there are plenty of instances when the group could've stood their ground against the undead and don't

    DoubleJump posted: »

    I think you're replying to me. That ending wasn't really canon to TWD story, hell I think the devs put that in their because they thought it

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited January 2015

    I think most of the non-canon death scenes are just excuses to brutally kill their characters without actually killing them, just for fun

    "Let's have Clem fall and break her neck here!"

    "Let's have Lee fall down this building and go splat!"

    Aerie88 posted: »

    Oh, I know it's a non canon death, but there are plenty of instances when the group could've stood their ground against the undead and don't

  • I guess you're forgetting how quickly David (or Travis) turned at the motel? It was literally in about a minute, and he quickly came back and attacked Katjaa

    Arkady posted: »

    Okay, so you guys crushed Larrys head beacuse you didn't want to take a risk. But seriously, if he would turn there will be still time to sm

  • Prop the saltlick up against the shelving unit that was three feet away. Watch closely to see if Larry showed any threatening signs of reanimation. If at that point he was going to be a problem, drop the fucker.

    Pretty simple way around the whole problem and only takes five seconds to come up with the strategy.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    So I drew this incredible fancy piece of art work to show why Kenny couldnt just hold the saltlick over Larry's head. If they had decided

  • The saltlick is heavy, and Larry is in the middle of the room, putting it down and waiting for a sign could be too late because when you see the sign, you would need to go down, pick up the saltlick, aim, and then let go, and by that time, it may be to late, and Lilly would be bit

    Prop the saltlick up against the shelving unit that was three feet away. Watch closely to see if Larry showed any threatening signs of reani

  • edited January 2015

    The shelf was right by Larry. And you think an industrial cooler shelf is too weak for the saltlick? You must not have seen one in person, cause those fuckers can hold just about anything.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    The saltlick is heavy, and Larry is in the middle of the room, putting it down and waiting for a sign could be too late because when you see

  • Yes, there was a large shelving unit right behind where Larry lay. It was on the back wall.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    Yeah it could, but there wasnt one in the room. The only shelves in the room are attached to the wall and are made of wood

  • edited January 2015

    Yeah it could, but there wasnt one in the room.

    The only shelves in the room are attached to the wall and are made of wood

    The shelf was right by Larry. And you think an industrial cooler shelf is too weak for the saltlick? You must not have seen one in person, cause those fuckers can hold just about anything.

  • Being made with six inches of wood, still sturdy enough to have a saltlick propped up against it to level the weight off of Kenny.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    Yeah it could, but there wasnt one in the room. The only shelves in the room are attached to the wall and are made of wood

  • edited January 2015

    Your comment was eaten, but the only shelf is the one I was talking about, it is too far away from Larry and its attached to the wall

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    The shelf was right by Larry. And you think an industrial cooler shelf is too weak for the saltlick? You must not have seen one in person, cause those fuckers can hold just about anything.

  • I think they're in there to add humor but also to remind the player that their actions are timed and not making a decision will result in your death

    Deltino posted: »

    I think most of the non-canon death scenes are just excuses to brutally kill their characters without actually killing them, just for fun "Let's have Clem fall and break her neck here!" "Let's have Lee fall down this building and go splat!"

  • Assumption assumptions, even if Larry were to turn, they do have weapons, the saltlicks which Kenny used to smash Larry in the head, he could've held the saltlick and smashed it into Larry if he actually turned. In real life people would choose what they think is right, not kill someone whose fate is undetermined, whilst also gaining the distrust of a member in a group and showing a little girl that you don't have to make sure someone's dead before killing them. Not everyone is just trying to good or be nice to Lilly, I tried to help Larry because I'd never let a member of my group die without knowing for sure whether they are alive or not, saying it's the better choice is an opinion, not a fact. I doubt you would've let someone kill the closest person to you if they didn't make sure they died first.

    Every one knows its the better choice. If Larry had turned he would kill them all because they had no weapons to defend them selves its not

  • If there's a chance in saving someone who has done allot for the group and has been shown to be the strongest member of the group especially, I'd take it. Just because someone is assumed to be dead and turning doesn't mean they always are, imagine all those unconscious people who were killed just because they were assumed to be dead, I understand it was in a confined space which increases the threat level but they still had the saltlicks which they could've used to kill Larry if he turned(and no I'm not saying Kenny could've just held the saltlick and waited for Larry to turn, he could've put the saltlick down and smashed Larry's head in IF he turned because as we know, Walkers usually take a few seconds before they're fully 'awake' for the first time, giving Kenny enough time to kill Larry if he became a walker), this is all.

  • I was thinking more arms, legs and one on the stomach. But now that I think of it, it does take time.

    It could've crushed his ribs though. But, I agree that Kenny should've taken precautions rather than jumping to the worst-case scenario. He

  • Interesting discussion and I think there is legitimacy to killing Larry by some of the comments. This is possibly the greatest dilemma/choice in this series.

  • Not to be rude, but I disagree with using the salt lick as a weapon. For one thing, they are extremely heavy. Regarding this, you would most likely need one large burst of momentum to swing it around to smash something. It is the only option for a weapon that could be used quickly in a pinch, but it's a poor one. Also, since walkers are known to be fairly quite quick, it would have a very low chance of working, since Larry would likely get to Kenny first. That's also determined by if he were to even go after Kenny first, instead of Lilly or Clementine.

    I do agree with everything else in your comment, though. :)

    prink34320 posted: »

    Assumption assumptions, even if Larry were to turn, they do have weapons, the saltlicks which Kenny used to smash Larry in the head, he coul

  • I always hate making this choice because I flip-flop on it a lot. It's one of the things that keeps me thinking about what's best, what's right, what's necessary. I don't even know now whether I would for sure save Larry. In my most recent play-through, I did save him because at the time, it's what I felt was right. I do also choose to help kill him in past play-through's. I think this choice was really meant to make you think about survival and the death of one to protect the others. Do I think it's right? In a way, yes. But it's also wrong. There isn't a clear answer, because it all depends on your personal perception of what you are willing to do to survive and protect others.

  • I actually flip a lot while playing too. I think the better choice is to kill larry, but in my last play through I chose to help neither of them

    Regalia posted: »

    I always hate making this choice because I flip-flop on it a lot. It's one of the things that keeps me thinking about what's best, what's ri

  • And for some reason , that counts as tryoing to save Larry!

    Aerie88 posted: »

    I actually flip a lot while playing too. I think the better choice is to kill larry, but in my last play through I chose to help neither of them

  • Guys let's just think about this from Larry's point of view, it was defiantly the worst day ever for him. Starts off exhausted from working on some shitty fence, then has to stand up for his daughter after some dudes bring in other dudes that they don't know since no one wants to back her up. Then can be called a racist, is refused any food for the day after his hard work, won't ever get the axe and if he does he fails at his time to shine.

    Finds out that a group member got hurt, but tries to calm the group down and make sure that his people don't screw anything up from getting at least a meal. Has some dude poking into his business when he is romancing the local farm girl, until he finds out that this lady is a cannibal! He can eat disgusting human, then gets betrayed, and then locked in a meat locker. After that the heart attack and dying a very brutal death, by getting his head smashed in.

    I realize that some of this is detriment, but I'm writing this for funzies and it also has a hint of truth to it. To Larry what a guy!

  • I killed him because I was actually acting like it was a real situation where CPR would do jack-shit. There's being nice, and there's being stupid.

    The fact that I wanted the ungrateful, child-hating shit to be brutally mutilated was just a bonus.

  • Same thing with Clem getting bit back in Season 2. An entire cabin full of adults somehow can't be bothered to tie up a little girl and keep watch over her?

    Aerie88 posted: »

    Oh, yes they should be able to, but wouldn't be able to. When Larry is demanding Duck be thrown outside I thought the same thing, 6 adults c

  • Larry may have been right to distrust Lee in A New Day, but by Starved for Help, Larry has little reason to be such an asshole towards him...especially if Lee typically sides with Lilly. I just think about if the roles were reversed what would Larry do? He wouldn't have shown any mercy

    DoubleJump posted: »

    Guys let's just think about this from Larry's point of view, it was defiantly the worst day ever for him. Starts off exhausted from working

  • He's got that asshole personality that Telltale wanted to test people's tolerance on or maybe Larry was just scared for himself and his daughter around people that he wasn't comfortable with.

    Aerie88 posted: »

    Larry may have been right to distrust Lee in A New Day, but by Starved for Help, Larry has little reason to be such an asshole towards him..

  • edited February 2015

    Oh yeah, when it comes to morality, most people don't have any qualms in regards to retributive justice when it involves someone they dislike. Are you going to try and save larry b/c it's the morally right thing to do? Or do you let him have his just deserts?

    DoubleJump posted: »

    He's got that asshole personality that Telltale wanted to test people's tolerance on or maybe Larry was just scared for himself and his daughter around people that he wasn't comfortable with.

  • I agree with most of what you said. I don't think larry was a child hater. He just has a zero tolerance for bite victims- no matter what age

    Bokor posted: »

    I killed him because I was actually acting like it was a real situation where CPR would do jack-shit. There's being nice, and there's being

  • I don't deny that killing him was the more logical move given the reality that CPR wouldn't save him, although I also think it's true that Kenny kind of jumped the gun and there could have been some of the aforementioned precautionary measures taken before the inevitable conclusion that would, at the very least, get Lilly to understand what had to be done.

    Personally, I tend to try to save him not because I feel it is more morally correct or logical, but because I think it creates a much more interesting narrative in the episodes to come. The arc between Lee and Kenny I feel is more effective if they become antagonistic towards each other for most of episode 3, leading up to and culminating with the boiling point on the train, and then from there you can either choose to have him on your side or tell him to screw off. Either way, it's given a good amount of weight by the idea that they've been near enemies in the past. So that's my take on it. I play to the story.

    Heck, even when I didn't play to the story and was playing it for the first time, and thus making my choices purely in the moment, I still tried to save him. Not even sure why. Like Lee said, sometimes we don't make choices. We just do what we do.

  • Even though I always try to save him and think Kenny jumps the gun too quickly, Duck and Katjaa were being held in a different place and he wants to get to them. So expediting the process of getting out quickly is more important to him than trying to save Larry. But he could have tried to get out himself while the others were attending to Larry. Realistically, would that have compromised them if Larry turned? Possibly. It's just a tough choice to make. More than anything it rubs me wrong that his initial thought is automatically kill him cause he will die, especially after not helping Shawn even after Duck was out of harm's way.

    damkylan posted: »

    I don't deny that killing him was the more logical move given the reality that CPR wouldn't save him, although I also think it's true that K

  • I've also actively helped Lilly

    supersagig posted: »

    And for some reason , that counts as tryoing to save Larry!

  • You are savages, would you really hold a desperate woman down so that another guy would smash her fathers' head instead of just helping her ?

  • Killing a man because you had a hunch he was dead (based off of personal biased in the first place) is ludicrous.

    Did you forget that the dude had a heart attack and straight up collapsed? It's way more than a hunch my friend, and they had no way to defend themselves if he was actually dead. It's the smarter (but far less moral) decision.

    Just because you think the conclusion is irrational does not mean that it is. It's all down to personal opinion. No. Killing a man b

  • edited June 2017

    I attempted CPR because of morale and Clem. Took how killing him would affect her into consideration.

    Also, killing him basically tells everyone else not to have any hope and to just give up.

  • At the time it seemed like a good idea to help Lily revive Larry. He was dead weight for the most part anyway due to health, and of course if you help Lily, Kenny holds you to it for the episodes to follow.

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