Let me break it down like this he has the insecurity and anger of Shane and Kenny, Believes in looking out for number 1 like Jane and Carver… more. Has the sick playful personality and brutality of Negan, The Governor and especially Gareth and is loyal to his father like Lily to her's
Any that bring a challenge to you and your group. Intelligent, cunning and just as dangerous as a herd of lurkers.
Somewhere in-between the comics Negan and the Governor.
I'd like the new villain to be in the new group for season 3.
That is, I'm assuming we get a new group for season 3.
And if so, I'd like to see Kenny and the new villain to fight it out.
I'd like the new villain to be in the new group for season 3.
That is, I'm assuming we get a new group for season 3.
And if so, I'd like to see Kenny and the new villain to fight it out.
Since Kenny is now determinate, unfortunately, why not have him go out in a glorious, guns-blazing, last-stand!?
And to do so at the end of the season.
And to build a little more on the type of villain I'd like to see in Season 3.
I'd like him to be a man between 30-40 yrs old.
A big guy, say about 6'4ft, and about 225lbs, and who is muscular.
Who has a deep-booming voice.
And who has long-wild looking hair, and a big scraggly beard, you know, like an ancient Celtic warrior.
Someone who looks like they could take down a whole platoon single-handed!
Since Kenny is now determinate, unfortunately, why not have him go out in a glorious, guns-blazing, last-stand!?
And to do so at the end of… more the season.
And to build a little more on the type of villain I'd like to see in Season 3.
I'd like him to be a man between 30-40 yrs old.
A big guy, say about 6'4ft, and about 225lbs, and who is muscular.
Who has a deep-booming voice.
And who has long-wild looking hair, and a big scraggly beard, you know, like an ancient Celtic warrior.
Someone who looks like they could take down a whole platoon single-handed!
I'd have loved to see someone like Carver who wasn't written off as a psychopath. Someone who's genuinely trying to do right by their people but feels like they're driven to extremes in the process of making increasingly difficult decisions that may or may not line up with the protagonist's choices.
i.e. What they did with Kenny and Lilly in season one, but on a larger scale.
AJ. You raise him and he's a monster to all except you - in the beginning a least. Later, he might just turn against you as well.
Last choice: Kill AJ and stop his madness/Let AJ live and do something quite evil (like bashing a baby in the head).
I don't believe Kenny is an all in all villain. He is in the grey zone of moral ambiguity and its up to us to judge him. Many of Kenny's actions were deliberate. Killing Larry, abusing Ben and Arvo, killing Carver in an unnecessarily brutal way for pleasure. Ben fucked up good and proper. However he never took any particular pleasure in the things he did
so what you are trying to tell me is that kenny planned everything out and his main goal was to deliberately cause the group trouble?
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… more cause if we are gonna start calling kenny a villain because he caused trouble then we are gonna have to start calling ben one too
I also really liked Carver to in the first 2 episodes. I thought there was something deeper to his logic something very cold and calculating.
Instead in episode 3 we find out that Carver is just your generic dim psychopath who doesn't realize there's a rope leading out of the prisoners cell, and that he would kill a one armed man willing to serve him rather than a man constantly trying to revolt against him who tried to shoot and kill him.
I hope TTG doesn't make the same mistakes and pours more creativity into a villains logic. I would love to see a new Kenny/Lilly type character with an extreme character flaw.
I'd have loved to see someone like Carver who wasn't written off as a psychopath. Someone who's genuinely trying to do right by their people… more but feels like they're driven to extremes in the process of making increasingly difficult decisions that may or may not line up with the protagonist's choices.
i.e. What they did with Kenny and Lilly in season one, but on a larger scale.
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Why? Did the author say any significant change will happen to the world in the future or something? If they just keep fighting zombies forever and never meet the main group it wouldn't matter
Haha I was a little confused as to whether that was Bateman or Batman for a second. Your description could pretty much apply to both of them. Anyway I don't think a like for like version of Bateman would fit in to the WD universe. A character with certain similarities could work though.
Someone like this piece of shit. A rich kid who has had everything handed to them and had the luxury life of the ZA. He's also not afraid to get down and dirty either.
If I'm honest, I don't really think of characters in terms of good and bad- that's a simplification of human nature as no one can be one or the other. We are a mix, and our interpretations of people's actions determine what make them good or bad in our own eyes.
The perfect scenario for me would be if Clem (whether on her own or with Jane/Kenny) comes across a new character who she slowly forms an attachment to, much like Lee. Maybe this person has lost there child and is drawn towards Clem and wants to protect her (which, as a sub-plot, would bring this character into conflict with others). The character would not really appear as overly good and certainly not a "bad guy" at all, again quite a bit like Lee. But then, at the end of the season, this trusted and loved character would have to do something completely out of character that can be easily determined as bad, and how you see the character would depend on your point of view- maybe the character was just teaching Clementine an important lesson the hard way, or maybe they were bad all along. It would be up to the player to decide.
Season 2 was all about Clem's character, which by the end of the Season still wasn't really resolved. But it'd be good if some of those choices from S2 and choices in S3 could make Clem's character more definite (eg; if you make your Clem overly "bad", then the choices you get might be limited to mostly just "bad" decisions). That way you could actually determine Clem's character for yourself, and personally I'd make her as much like Carver as possible !
Yea. Carver was a really good character in E1 and E2, and if I'm honest he was still a bad guy, but in the end they could have done a lot more with his character. What you suggest though would be perfect.
This reminds me of (yes, I'm a bit of a history nerd) a Jewish man in WW2 who was put in charge of one of the Polish Ghettos. As his story seems to go, he at first did a lot to help his fellow Jews in the Ghetto- they set up free health care, a police force, etc- whilst he also had to negotiate with the Nazis (they were having to make stuff for the Nazis, see, and he wanted a good deal for the workers). But as time went by and the Nazis came to the conclusion that they would gas the Jews this Jewish man actually allowed the Nazis to take Jews to the death camps (though whether he knew about the death camps is questionable). I remember he gave a speech in which he said to the members of the Ghetto: "Mothers, give me your children" (the Nazis had ordered the taking of children from the Ghettos to be gassed).
History paints him as a villain for collaborating with the Nazis and allowing fellow Jews to be sent to the death camps, but then again it could be argued that he had no choice. History remembers him as a villain and Nazi collaborator, but had he refused to work with the Nazis would the situation have been worse? It's practically the same dilemma faced by the characters of TWD in the post-apocalyptic world; do you put survival of the many over your morals, even if it makes you a bad person? Are you just doing what was necessary?
(P.S: By the way, I wouldn't have any sympathy for the Ghetto leader- it's more than likely that he knew about the Jews being gassed and, though at first he tried to help his fellow Jews, he became more and more tyrannical as time went on)
I'd have loved to see someone like Carver who wasn't written off as a psychopath. Someone who's genuinely trying to do right by their people… more but feels like they're driven to extremes in the process of making increasingly difficult decisions that may or may not line up with the protagonist's choices.
i.e. What they did with Kenny and Lilly in season one, but on a larger scale.
well, technically he had a choice...and he chose to help the NAZIs. it may not have been a completely free choice, but just b/c the opposite choice would've ended with his own demise doesn't mean that he didn't have a choice. Blackmail/coercion may not lead to the outcome that one wants, but there's still a choice
Yea. Carver was a really good character in E1 and E2, and if I'm honest he was still a bad guy, but in the end they could have done a lot mo… morere with his character. What you suggest though would be perfect.
This reminds me of (yes, I'm a bit of a history nerd) a Jewish man in WW2 who was put in charge of one of the Polish Ghettos. As his story seems to go, he at first did a lot to help his fellow Jews in the Ghetto- they set up free health care, a police force, etc- whilst he also had to negotiate with the Nazis (they were having to make stuff for the Nazis, see, and he wanted a good deal for the workers). But as time went by and the Nazis came to the conclusion that they would gas the Jews this Jewish man actually allowed the Nazis to take Jews to the death camps (though whether he knew about the death camps is questionable). I remember he gave a speech in which he said to the members of the Ghetto: "Mothers, give me your children" (the Naz… [view original content]
I'd like to see a villain that's present. One that we know from pretty much the start. I DON'T want that Carver bullshit, and although Campman was really good, I don't want a repeat of that again. I want Negan. I want the Governor. Something like that.
Carver wasn't a villain from the start? Carver is tracking the cabin group down to repatriate them against their will, pushes an innocent guy off a roof, but his villainy wasn't clear enough? or do you mean a villiian that's in most, if not all, episodes? or was he not badass enough?
I'd like to see a villain that's present. One that we know from pretty much the start. I DON'T want that Carver bullshit, and although Campm… morean was really good, I don't want a repeat of that again. I want Negan. I want the Governor. Something like that.
I was referring to what happened to him in episode 3. I meant that I didn't want that bullshit ending that happens at really after one episode of screen time.
Carver wasn't a villain from the start? Carver is tracking the cabin group down to repatriate them against their will, pushes an innocent gu… morey off a roof, but his villainy wasn't clear enough? or do you mean a villiian that's in most, if not all, episodes? or was he not badass enough?
I really dont want one, what made Season 1 so good was that there wasnt some main antagonist through out the whole thing. The stranger came in, but he was more of a mysterious stranger you'd go and confront
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No he's a fantastic actor with a justified temper. I'm talking about the character he played Patrick Bateman
A shocking villan, for example a good team member who turns out to be bad (For example Lee was the bad guy all along)
this isn't shadow of the colossus
Doesn't count.
Ah, I see. I haven't seen American Psycho, so please forgive my confusion.
there is no villain in that game tho, the entirety of that game is ambiguous
Any that bring a challenge to you and your group. Intelligent, cunning and just as dangerous as a herd of lurkers.
Somewhere in-between the comics Negan and the Governor.
AJ. You raise him and he's a monster to all except you - in the beginning a least. Later, he might just turn against you as well.
Last choice: Kill AJ and stop his madness/Let AJ live and do something quite evil (like bashing a baby in the head).
I'd like the new villain to be in the new group for season 3.
That is, I'm assuming we get a new group for season 3.
And if so, I'd like to see Kenny and the new villain to fight it out.
An ultimate fight where the new villain kills Kenny would be a true sight and would build him up to massive proportions
so is ben a villain too?
He did cause a lot of the group's problems but they were indirect or accidental. I'd like to think a villain deliberately tries
so what you are trying to tell me is that kenny planned everything out and his main goal was to deliberately cause the group trouble?
k
cause if we are gonna start calling kenny a villain because he caused trouble then we are gonna have to start calling ben one too
Since Kenny is now determinate, unfortunately, why not have him go out in a glorious, guns-blazing, last-stand!?
And to do so at the end of the season.
And to build a little more on the type of villain I'd like to see in Season 3.
I'd like him to be a man between 30-40 yrs old.
A big guy, say about 6'4ft, and about 225lbs, and who is muscular.
Who has a deep-booming voice.
And who has long-wild looking hair, and a big scraggly beard, you know, like an ancient Celtic warrior.
Someone who looks like they could take down a whole platoon single-handed!
Ahh so intimidating? I'd add some battle scars for realism. Sounds like the guy who bit Mike Tyson's ear off
I'd have loved to see someone like Carver who wasn't written off as a psychopath. Someone who's genuinely trying to do right by their people but feels like they're driven to extremes in the process of making increasingly difficult decisions that may or may not line up with the protagonist's choices.
i.e. What they did with Kenny and Lilly in season one, but on a larger scale.
AJ can only have 2 years at most in S3
I don't believe Kenny is an all in all villain. He is in the grey zone of moral ambiguity and its up to us to judge him. Many of Kenny's actions were deliberate. Killing Larry, abusing Ben and Arvo, killing Carver in an unnecessarily brutal way for pleasure. Ben fucked up good and proper. However he never took any particular pleasure in the things he did
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I also really liked Carver to in the first 2 episodes. I thought there was something deeper to his logic something very cold and calculating.
Instead in episode 3 we find out that Carver is just your generic dim psychopath who doesn't realize there's a rope leading out of the prisoners cell, and that he would kill a one armed man willing to serve him rather than a man constantly trying to revolt against him who tried to shoot and kill him.
I hope TTG doesn't make the same mistakes and pours more creativity into a villains logic. I would love to see a new Kenny/Lilly type character with an extreme character flaw.
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We could have a larger time skip. It would help to smooth the differences in gameplay due to the multiple S2 endings a lot
Yeah , but the games CAN´T go more than the comics are in.
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Why? Did the author say any significant change will happen to the world in the future or something? If they just keep fighting zombies forever and never meet the main group it wouldn't matter
Morals are needed to survive, else everybody would kill each other for 'survival' and there'd be nobody left.
Haha I was a little confused as to whether that was Bateman or Batman for a second. Your description could pretty much apply to both of them. Anyway I don't think a like for like version of Bateman would fit in to the WD universe. A character with certain similarities could work though.
Plot Twist: Clementine is the villain for Season 3
If I'm honest, I don't really think of characters in terms of good and bad- that's a simplification of human nature as no one can be one or the other. We are a mix, and our interpretations of people's actions determine what make them good or bad in our own eyes.
The perfect scenario for me would be if Clem (whether on her own or with Jane/Kenny) comes across a new character who she slowly forms an attachment to, much like Lee. Maybe this person has lost there child and is drawn towards Clem and wants to protect her (which, as a sub-plot, would bring this character into conflict with others). The character would not really appear as overly good and certainly not a "bad guy" at all, again quite a bit like Lee. But then, at the end of the season, this trusted and loved character would have to do something completely out of character that can be easily determined as bad, and how you see the character would depend on your point of view- maybe the character was just teaching Clementine an important lesson the hard way, or maybe they were bad all along. It would be up to the player to decide.
If I'm honest, I'd really like that
Season 2 was all about Clem's character, which by the end of the Season still wasn't really resolved. But it'd be good if some of those choices from S2 and choices in S3 could make Clem's character more definite (eg; if you make your Clem overly "bad", then the choices you get might be limited to mostly just "bad" decisions). That way you could actually determine Clem's character for yourself, and personally I'd make her as much like Carver as possible
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Yea. Carver was a really good character in E1 and E2, and if I'm honest he was still a bad guy, but in the end they could have done a lot more with his character. What you suggest though would be perfect.
This reminds me of (yes, I'm a bit of a history nerd) a Jewish man in WW2 who was put in charge of one of the Polish Ghettos. As his story seems to go, he at first did a lot to help his fellow Jews in the Ghetto- they set up free health care, a police force, etc- whilst he also had to negotiate with the Nazis (they were having to make stuff for the Nazis, see, and he wanted a good deal for the workers). But as time went by and the Nazis came to the conclusion that they would gas the Jews this Jewish man actually allowed the Nazis to take Jews to the death camps (though whether he knew about the death camps is questionable). I remember he gave a speech in which he said to the members of the Ghetto: "Mothers, give me your children" (the Nazis had ordered the taking of children from the Ghettos to be gassed).
History paints him as a villain for collaborating with the Nazis and allowing fellow Jews to be sent to the death camps, but then again it could be argued that he had no choice. History remembers him as a villain and Nazi collaborator, but had he refused to work with the Nazis would the situation have been worse? It's practically the same dilemma faced by the characters of TWD in the post-apocalyptic world; do you put survival of the many over your morals, even if it makes you a bad person? Are you just doing what was necessary?
(P.S: By the way, I wouldn't have any sympathy for the Ghetto leader- it's more than likely that he knew about the Jews being gassed and, though at first he tried to help his fellow Jews, he became more and more tyrannical as time went on)
well, technically he had a choice...and he chose to help the NAZIs. it may not have been a completely free choice, but just b/c the opposite choice would've ended with his own demise doesn't mean that he didn't have a choice. Blackmail/coercion may not lead to the outcome that one wants, but there's still a choice
I'd like to see a villain that's present. One that we know from pretty much the start. I DON'T want that Carver bullshit, and although Campman was really good, I don't want a repeat of that again. I want Negan. I want the Governor. Something like that.
Carver wasn't a villain from the start? Carver is tracking the cabin group down to repatriate them against their will, pushes an innocent guy off a roof, but his villainy wasn't clear enough? or do you mean a villiian that's in most, if not all, episodes? or was he not badass enough?
I was referring to what happened to him in episode 3. I meant that I didn't want that bullshit ending that happens at really after one episode of screen time.
Imagine if Negan was the villain for season 3... Man that would be sick
This type of villain
Telltale should take notes on this video. This is how you make a likable villain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMwRPgBYbs
^^this