Arvo almost killed Clem because he was physically and mentally abused by Kenny, so that's an extremely poor argument.
If the group had stopped Kenny from killing him and he hadn't tortured him then Arvo would have lived, Mike would have stayed with the group, and all that niceness.
Also I think you must accidentally have forgotten to reply to my other arguments.
Yeah right Arvo is harmless... The harmless Arvo almost killed Clem. Yeah he's realy harmless... If the group would have let Kenny to put him down Clem would never get shot...
He though she killed AJ. Lilly killed Carley just because she said she was a bitch (witch is the truth). Yeah killing is no big deal but she killed my favorite character and that's why I hate her.
Arvo almost killed Clem because he was physically and mentally abused by Kenny, so that's an extremely poor argument.
If the group had st… moreopped Kenny from killing him and he hadn't tortured him then Arvo would have lived, Mike would have stayed with the group, and all that niceness.
Also I think you must accidentally have forgotten to reply to my other arguments.
Its still a better reason than Lilly's and its determinant. You stoped Kenny from killing Jane so he never killed someone for no reason. In Lilly's case you can't do anything to stop it.
He thought she killed AJ.
Key word: Thought
I think that guy over there on the bench stole my watch, so I am going to murder him.… more This is not a valid reason to murder someone.
Yeah killing is no big deal
Can you genuinely say to me that murder is no big deal. Because killing is not what they did and I've already gone over the differences with you.
but she killed my favorite character and that's why I hate her.
LOL so in your mind murder is okay as long as it's not someone you like being murdered. Hypocrite.
Lilly's didn't have a 'reason'; she was mentally disturbed by her experiences.
Her dad was just killed brutally in front of her eyes, Kenny bullies her, Kenny says she's insane for thinknig someone was stealing from the group.
To top it all off, after she did so much to keep everyone alive (she taught everyone how to shoot, and kept them on tight military schedules to give them the best chance of surviving!) and after she tries to save them all from the bandits pointing guns at their heads, Kenny tries to leave her behind to die!
This makes you go fucking crazy with anxiety and trauma. Then to top it all off, someone says you've been doing absolutely nothing to help the group, despite that being literally all you've been trying to do. You, in a moment of rage, pull the trigger.
You look shocked at your hand holding the gun, and drop it, tearful and shaken.
That is Lilly's story.
(Also, may I remind you that Lee murdered someone for 'no reason' too? Lee killed the senator sleeping with his wife in a fit of maddened rage. How is that different? If anything it's worse because he wasn't bullied to no end by the people he was trying to help.)
Its still a better reason than Lilly's and its determinant. You stoped Kenny from killing Jane so he never killed someone for no reason. In Lilly's case you can't do anything to stop it.
Its still a better reason than Lilly's and its determinant. You stoped Kenny from killing Jane so he never killed someone for no reason. In Lilly's case you can't do anything to stop it.
Man if you are soo afraid of murder than why are you playing this game? Keep saying the word Murder Murder its getting anoying. We are not talking about real life. In a ZA I would kill anyone for supplies.
I am glad Lilly ended as a husk of a character, to be used for the comics. THANK GOD Robert Kirkman ordered to remove every link from ttg's lilly to the comics.
What the fuck? We are having an argument which revolves around the topic of murder. Excuse me for being highly defensive about one of worst acts you could possibly commit.
why are you playing this game
Because I'm a fan of The Walking Dead franchise and Telltale Games. Oh and I can.
Keep saying the word Murder Murder its getting anoying
Man if you are soo afraid of murder than why are you playing this game? Keep saying the word Murder Murder its getting anoying. We are not talking about real life. In a ZA I would kill anyone for supplies.
It's fine, but I see no reason to be team Lily. Siding with Kenny results in him being your best bro and helping you out all the time. Siding with Lily results in her killing your girlfriend/good friend and stealing an RV.
Team Lilly is the way to go no matter what anyone says, and if you're scared about it is not wrong to be a fan.
I was a fan of her's 2 years ago and I still am now, and 2 years ago Lilly fans (if you could find one) were rare. There used to be many threads where I would get bashed for defending her (my opinions of Clementine didn't help my cause any), but I survived the Kenny stampede because wherever you looked there would be Kenny threads/Kenny vs Lilly/Kill Lilly. (Lets just say the threads were quite lopsided for Kenny fans) but I digress.
I even made my fair share of "enemies" and some of them thinking I'm "crazy" but all I am is a proud fan.
Um, no. Kenny kept it way better together than Lily did. Lily got one of the best characters killed for no reason, while Kenny was still trying to pursue hope.
KENNY VS LILLY WAR 2!!..
Evidence:
Carley yelled at a paranoid girl with a gun-1st mistake
Doug ran in front of a girl with a gun -… more2nd mistake
Kenny lost his family he went crazy Lilly lost her family she kept it together WHILE taking care of the ENTIRE group.
Kenny complained about EVERYTHING Lilly did and she still kept it together.
The human mind can only take so much.
To Summarize: DO NOT YELL AT/COMPLAIN/PISS OFF A PARANOID GIRL WITH A GUN.
TeamLilly
I couldn't bare to smash an old man's head in while his daughter and a 8 year old girl are watching. Saving him would be the right choice if you try to stay morally as pure as possible.
As for taking her with you, i did that as well. She was just depressed and confused, she wanted to protect the group from the harm, even though her ways were not right.
She stole the RV because she was scared of a punishment the group would come up with. You would probably do that as well if you were in her situation.
Arvo almost killed Clem because he was physically and mentally abused by Kenny, so that's an extremely poor argument.
If the group had st… moreopped Kenny from killing him and he hadn't tortured him then Arvo would have lived, Mike would have stayed with the group, and all that niceness.
Also I think you must accidentally have forgotten to reply to my other arguments.
If everyone has to walk on eggshells b/c Lilly is paranoid, Lilly wasn't keeping it together very well. People thought Lilly was going to snap, but not turn on people within her own group. There's no justifying Carley's death, but I'm not a Lilly hater. And if Lilly is so freaking paranoid she's definitely a danger to the group
Ok, killing Carly was a mistake. For damn sure. However, shouting, and getting up in the face of a paranoid fuck is not, repeat NOT a good i… moredea. Carly was honestly playing with fire. At the same time, though, Carly was also the only other person with nothing to lose if the group were to die, aside from Lilly herself and Ben. Then, when Lilly was flustered and breaking down, Carly (rightfully) called Lilly a scared little girl. Although Carly was right, she should've known better than to piss Lilly off anymore than Lilly already was. In her broken state, Lilly took this as being defensive, and took the defensiveness as evidence that Carly may be the culprit.
Everybody else had familial connections within the group, and were automatically struck out from Lilly's list. Even though Lee and Clementine's relationship was adoptive at best, Lee still cared about Clementine, and would want as many meds as possible, in case Clem got sick.
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Lilly and Kenny are both two of my favorite characters. I wish more people could acknowledge both of them, and not having to hate one in order to like the other. Sam with Jane and Kenny.
What really bothers me concerning Kenny, is that most of the people who like him are trying to justify everything he does as it being right, because he's the one doing it. He's NOT always right, he acts like a real shit sometimes (as he himself puts it), and is impulsive in his actions. But I still love him, even if I sometimes disagree with what he's doing.
As for Lilly, I don't understand how she can be so hated. I hated the fact that she shot Carley/Doug, but she was very unstable at that point. Not trying to justify the action, but the whole situation- escaping from the bandits, finding out someone's been stealing supplies and arguinf about it cramped in an RV not really knowing where to go next - had everyone on edge, they panicked and it got out of hand. She never would've gone that far if she was in her right state of mind. Seeing how Kenny progresses throughout season 1 - 2, I would not be surprised if he'd acted the same way as unstable as he's become.
I originally chose the same thing you did, but I honestly have no respect for her after she leaves the group stranded. That's what made me switch to Team Kenny. If you still like her more, that's totally okay. You're entitled to your own opinion. Whoever told you otherwise was just trying to say you were wrong to make themselves feel like they were better (which is totally ridiculous) so no worries there.
In a way it kinda is, because she ends up being abandoned or abandoning the group regardless of how much you sided with her.
Siding with her leaves no impact on the story except for Kenny being a dick to you and Lily being nicer to you. If i'm forgetting something, please tell me.
But if you think Lily was right on the arguments and other stuff, then it can't be wrong.
Oh, of course not. Lilly was dealing with it all fucking terribly. But that doesn't make her a bad person. She was never as bad as Kenny killing the most capable member of the group by way of criminally negligent homicide, because the guy didn't like murder. She was a danger, but only until she killed Carley or Doug. Once that happened, she was so harmless, I can't see her picking up a gun again.
If everyone has to walk on eggshells b/c Lilly is paranoid, Lilly wasn't keeping it together very well. People thought Lilly was going to … moresnap, but not turn on people within her own group. There's no justifying Carley's death, but I'm not a Lilly hater. And if Lilly is so freaking paranoid she's definitely a danger to the group
Okay, first of all, when people simply state (that someone else be it yourself or anyone else) that you are using the wrong logic, or your logic is wrong, BLAH BLAH BLAH. They aren't really considering all sides if they say something like that. Everyone has different ways of logically analyzing and looking at things, that's the beauty of free will etc.
So, no, it's NOT wrong to be team Lilly. Even if I am team Kenny, I will acknowledge AND accept why people liked her or would choose her over Kenny. There is no universally right answer.
Um, no. Lilly kept the group together for 3 months at least, Carley should not have been yelling in her face, Kenny was complaining about everything she did.
Um, no. Kenny kept it way better together than Lily did. Lily got one of the best characters killed for no reason, while Kenny was still trying to pursue hope.
Um, no. Lilly kept the group together for 3 months at least, Carley should not have been yelling in her face, Kenny was complaining about everything she did.
She wasn't a bad person. But I didn't like how afterward she just expected the group to be thanking her or that they were being irrational in thinking she's dangerous(@ that moment). If you bring her with you she thinks it's unfair for her to have been disarmed and restrained. It was completely acceptable---she needs to earn that trust back...afterwards how does she do that? By stealing the RV and potentially stranding everyone b/c of something that was a result of her own behavior
Oh, of course not. Lilly was dealing with it all fucking terribly. But that doesn't make her a bad person. She was never as bad as Kenny kil… moreling the most capable member of the group by way of criminally negligent homicide, because the guy didn't like murder. She was a danger, but only until she killed Carley or Doug. Once that happened, she was so harmless, I can't see her picking up a gun again.
Blaming the victim. What happened was Lilly's fault. Even if she is mourning her dad she's still responsible for her own behavior...it's never acceptable to resort to violence because your losing an argument...and Lilly can't claim temporary insanity b/c she admits she did it to protect the group...that's premeditation...she's completely culpable...at that time of carley's murder, her father's death is no longer a possible mitigating factor
You just need to pick your spots. Yelling at a person who just watched her dad get possibly murdered, having to still lead a group while having Kenny and Carley (Maybe Lee too) yelling at you for everything, just fighting off cannibals and bandits.
She is going crazy and yet Carley and Kenny continue to criticize her.
They didn't need Lilly to be the leader. Lee does everything anyway...like Carley says to Lee, "she keeps trying to run things and it's just not working..."
You just need to pick your spots. Yelling at a person who just watched her dad get possibly murdered, having to still lead a group while hav… moreing Kenny and Carley (Maybe Lee too) yelling at you for everything, just fighting off cannibals and bandits.
She is going crazy and yet Carley and Kenny continue to criticize her.
The human mind can only take so much.
Once she calmed down THEN you can complain.
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Arvo almost killed Clem because he was physically and mentally abused by Kenny, so that's an extremely poor argument.
If the group had stopped Kenny from killing him and he hadn't tortured him then Arvo would have lived, Mike would have stayed with the group, and all that niceness.
Also I think you must accidentally have forgotten to reply to my other arguments.
Please stop presenting your OPINION as truth.
I'm team Lilly
Yeah yeah I get it. Lilly and Arvo are the good guy's. And Kenny is the son of devil.
Its still a better reason than Lilly's and its determinant. You stoped Kenny from killing Jane so he never killed someone for no reason. In Lilly's case you can't do anything to stop it.
No its not. I think if Lilly return's in S3 there is still a chance for her to redeem herself.
Reductio ad absurdum..
Lilly's didn't have a 'reason'; she was mentally disturbed by her experiences.
Her dad was just killed brutally in front of her eyes, Kenny bullies her, Kenny says she's insane for thinknig someone was stealing from the group.
To top it all off, after she did so much to keep everyone alive (she taught everyone how to shoot, and kept them on tight military schedules to give them the best chance of surviving!) and after she tries to save them all from the bandits pointing guns at their heads, Kenny tries to leave her behind to die!
This makes you go fucking crazy with anxiety and trauma. Then to top it all off, someone says you've been doing absolutely nothing to help the group, despite that being literally all you've been trying to do. You, in a moment of rage, pull the trigger.
You look shocked at your hand holding the gun, and drop it, tearful and shaken.
That is Lilly's story.
(Also, may I remind you that Lee murdered someone for 'no reason' too? Lee killed the senator sleeping with his wife in a fit of maddened rage. How is that different? If anything it's worse because he wasn't bullied to no end by the people he was trying to help.)
Murder is Murder. There's no such thing as a "better" reason for it.
Yeah! I lost an argument like I always do... Fuck my life...
Man if you are soo afraid of murder than why are you playing this game? Keep saying the word Murder Murder its getting anoying. We are not talking about real life. In a ZA I would kill anyone for supplies.
I am glad Lilly ended as a husk of a character, to be used for the comics. THANK GOD Robert Kirkman ordered to remove every link from ttg's lilly to the comics.
Hopefully tt doesnt reuse this husk.
I'm hoping for that too.
What the fuck? We are having an argument which revolves around the topic of murder. Excuse me for being highly defensive about one of worst acts you could possibly commit.
Because I'm a fan of The Walking Dead franchise and Telltale Games. Oh and I can.
I'm only using the correct term
I'm seriously concerned about your mental state.
You don't always. You're a good debater man, don't be hard on yourself.
Not really.
Lee was facing life in prison before the apocalypse
Kenny went apeshit, and destroyed 2 nice groups
What can you do? When you lose so many people around you ... you just lose it
Opinion is not factual
It's fine, but I see no reason to be team Lily. Siding with Kenny results in him being your best bro and helping you out all the time. Siding with Lily results in her killing your girlfriend/good friend and stealing an RV.
Team Lilly is the way to go no matter what anyone says, and if you're scared about it is not wrong to be a fan.
I was a fan of her's 2 years ago and I still am now, and 2 years ago Lilly fans (if you could find one) were rare. There used to be many threads where I would get bashed for defending her (my opinions of Clementine didn't help my cause any), but I survived the Kenny stampede because wherever you looked there would be Kenny threads/Kenny vs Lilly/Kill Lilly. (Lets just say the threads were quite lopsided for Kenny fans) but I digress.
I even made my fair share of "enemies" and some of them thinking I'm "crazy" but all I am is a proud fan.
TeamLilly4Ever
KENNY VS LILLY WAR 2!!..
Evidence:
Carley yelled at a paranoid girl with a gun-1st mistake
Doug ran in front of a girl with a gun -2nd mistake
Kenny lost his family he went crazy Lilly lost her family she kept it together WHILE taking care of the ENTIRE group.
Kenny complained about EVERYTHING Lilly did and she still kept it together.
The human mind can only take so much.
To Summarize: DO NOT YELL AT/COMPLAIN/PISS OFF A PARANOID GIRL WITH A GUN.
TeamLilly
Um, no. Kenny kept it way better together than Lily did. Lily got one of the best characters killed for no reason, while Kenny was still trying to pursue hope.
I couldn't bare to smash an old man's head in while his daughter and a 8 year old girl are watching. Saving him would be the right choice if you try to stay morally as pure as possible.
As for taking her with you, i did that as well. She was just depressed and confused, she wanted to protect the group from the harm, even though her ways were not right.
She stole the RV because she was scared of a punishment the group would come up with. You would probably do that as well if you were in her situation.
More like he shot her because he thought she killed his sister..
If everyone has to walk on eggshells b/c Lilly is paranoid, Lilly wasn't keeping it together very well. People thought Lilly was going to snap, but not turn on people within her own group. There's no justifying Carley's death, but I'm not a Lilly hater. And if Lilly is so freaking paranoid she's definitely a danger to the group
She shouldn't have provoked her more, yes, but she didn't deserve to be shot b/c she called Lilly out
Lilly and Kenny are both two of my favorite characters. I wish more people could acknowledge both of them, and not having to hate one in order to like the other. Sam with Jane and Kenny.
What really bothers me concerning Kenny, is that most of the people who like him are trying to justify everything he does as it being right, because he's the one doing it. He's NOT always right, he acts like a real shit sometimes (as he himself puts it), and is impulsive in his actions. But I still love him, even if I sometimes disagree with what he's doing.
As for Lilly, I don't understand how she can be so hated. I hated the fact that she shot Carley/Doug, but she was very unstable at that point. Not trying to justify the action, but the whole situation- escaping from the bandits, finding out someone's been stealing supplies and arguinf about it cramped in an RV not really knowing where to go next - had everyone on edge, they panicked and it got out of hand. She never would've gone that far if she was in her right state of mind. Seeing how Kenny progresses throughout season 1 - 2, I would not be surprised if he'd acted the same way as unstable as he's become.
I was in the middle. I mean I liked kenny, but lilly had some good points. handing out food rations sucked balls...
I originally chose the same thing you did, but I honestly have no respect for her after she leaves the group stranded. That's what made me switch to Team Kenny. If you still like her more, that's totally okay. You're entitled to your own opinion. Whoever told you otherwise was just trying to say you were wrong to make themselves feel like they were better (which is totally ridiculous) so no worries there.
Nope, it's your own opinion
In a way it kinda is, because she ends up being abandoned or abandoning the group regardless of how much you sided with her.
Siding with her leaves no impact on the story except for Kenny being a dick to you and Lily being nicer to you. If i'm forgetting something, please tell me.
But if you think Lily was right on the arguments and other stuff, then it can't be wrong.
Oh, of course not. Lilly was dealing with it all fucking terribly. But that doesn't make her a bad person. She was never as bad as Kenny killing the most capable member of the group by way of criminally negligent homicide, because the guy didn't like murder. She was a danger, but only until she killed Carley or Doug. Once that happened, she was so harmless, I can't see her picking up a gun again.
Of course not. We're just saying that what happened happened BECAUSE of Carley. Not that she deserved anything that happened to her.
Okay, first of all, when people simply state (that someone else be it yourself or anyone else) that you are using the wrong logic, or your logic is wrong, BLAH BLAH BLAH. They aren't really considering all sides if they say something like that. Everyone has different ways of logically analyzing and looking at things, that's the beauty of free will etc.
So, no, it's NOT wrong to be team Lilly. Even if I am team Kenny, I will acknowledge AND accept why people liked her or would choose her over Kenny. There is no universally right answer.
Um, no. Lilly kept the group together for 3 months at least, Carley should not have been yelling in her face, Kenny was complaining about everything she did.
so.....yelling at lilly = legit reason to be killed apparently
She wasn't a bad person. But I didn't like how afterward she just expected the group to be thanking her or that they were being irrational in thinking she's dangerous(@ that moment). If you bring her with you she thinks it's unfair for her to have been disarmed and restrained. It was completely acceptable---she needs to earn that trust back...afterwards how does she do that? By stealing the RV and potentially stranding everyone b/c of something that was a result of her own behavior
Blaming the victim. What happened was Lilly's fault. Even if she is mourning her dad she's still responsible for her own behavior...it's never acceptable to resort to violence because your losing an argument...and Lilly can't claim temporary insanity b/c she admits she did it to protect the group...that's premeditation...she's completely culpable...at that time of carley's murder, her father's death is no longer a possible mitigating factor
You just need to pick your spots. Yelling at a person who just watched her dad get possibly murdered, having to still lead a group while having Kenny and Carley (Maybe Lee too) yelling at you for everything, just fighting off cannibals and bandits.
She is going crazy and yet Carley and Kenny continue to criticize her.
The human mind can only take so much.
Once she calmed down THEN you can complain.
No.
Never.
It's never wrong to be team Lilly.
TeamLilly
They didn't need Lilly to be the leader. Lee does everything anyway...like Carley says to Lee, "she keeps trying to run things and it's just not working..."