Her 'hard' labor was picking berries. She doesn't have autism. I didn't say she was an idiot, just incompetent. In my opinion she is pathetic, but that didn't keep me from trying to save her anyway. Even after the stress of getting smacked, picking berries was SO easy...there's no excuse for her to mess up the easiest task in the world. The fact that she's 15 and has the maturity of an 8 year old is a problem. Sarah wasn't the only one kidnapped. no one else lost their sh*t
Pathetic is exactly the right word to use. Look up the definition for pathetic and you'll find that it's a perfect description. Don't call someone ignorant when you obviously are ignorant to what pathetic means. 'Pathetic' is not necessarily an insult. There's negative connotation with it, but it's not technically an insult
Are we seriously assuming that Sarah's too stupid to do something as simple as pick berries? Really?
She didn't pick the berries because … moreshe's apparently an idiot. She couldn't do it because she's too stressed out over being recaptured by her worst nightmare who kidnaps her and her father and friends back to his community, experiences the first time that a loved one smacks her to the ground (albeit forced to do so by said worst nightmare) for a small forgivable slight she made, and is forced to do labour work while traumatised over what had been done to her and her friends. Of course she's not going to be happy and able to pick berries for a tyrannical man who kills a man simply because he didn't get his berries.
And on top of that she suffers from anxiety issues, possibly has autism/Asperger's Syndrome, and also has PTSD. Calling her pathetic over all of this is ignorant.
So in other words she deserves to be called pathetic for not sucking it up like other characters, especially Kenny who refuses to do any kind of labour and decides to pick a fight with Mike instead of working, which ends up getting the walkers inside and nearly kills Clementine when she gets trapped? I found Kenny's tantrum more pathetic than Sarah's predicament, who didn't deal with her situation by getting violent with everyone.
Her inability to pick berries on her very first day of labour after being kidnapped doesn't mean she's incompetent, especially when she hasn't even started the work yet. If you help her and support her, she does learn how to pick the berries and does it right. Even the most easiest task in the world can be hard to do when under stress due to being kidnapped and imprisoned, especially when having to deal with personal problems on top of that as well.
The word 'pathetic' all boils down to whether you pity Sarah for her predicament, or you find her contemptible. Pity and contemptible applies to the word 'pathetic', and judging by your comments I believe you did intend to use it as an insult, else you wouldn't have said 'Carver should've pushed her off the damn roof' among other things.
Her 'hard' labor was picking berries. She doesn't have autism. I didn't say she was an idiot, just incompetent. In my opinion she is patheti… morec, but that didn't keep me from trying to save her anyway. Even after the stress of getting smacked, picking berries was SO easy...there's no excuse for her to mess up the easiest task in the world. The fact that she's 15 and has the maturity of an 8 year old is a problem. Sarah wasn't the only one kidnapped. no one else lost their sh*t
Pathetic is exactly the right word to use. Look up the definition for pathetic and you'll find that it's a perfect description. Don't call someone ignorant when you obviously are ignorant to what pathetic means. 'Pathetic' is not necessarily an insult. There's negative connotation with it, but it's not technically an insult
Pathetic: arousing pitty; especially thru vulnerability and sadness
Does this not describe Sarah to a T? Yes, she IS pathetic for not being able to suck it up. I'm not saying she deserved to die (my saying carver should've pushed her off was more of a joke). Clementine was kidnapped to and didn't have a panic attack because she had to trim berry bushes. And this thread is not about anyone else, it's about how pathetic Sarah was
I'm just saying it's easy to understand why most people have no compassion for her. Like I said before, despite all this I saved Sarah from the trailer and tried to save her at parker's run. Why are you bustin my balls?
So in other words she deserves to be called pathetic for not sucking it up like other characters, especially Kenny who refuses to do any kin… mored of labour and decides to pick a fight with Mike instead of working, which ends up getting the walkers inside and nearly kills Clementine when she gets trapped? I found Kenny's tantrum more pathetic than Sarah's predicament, who didn't deal with her situation by getting violent with everyone.
Her inability to pick berries on her very first day of labour after being kidnapped doesn't mean she's incompetent, especially when she hasn't even started the work yet. If you help her and support her, she does learn how to pick the berries and does it right. Even the most easiest task in the world can be hard to do when under stress due to being kidnapped and imprisoned, especially when having to deal with personal problems on top of that as well.
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Pathetic is also described as: miserably inadequate. The word pathetic can be taken both ways.
Clementine had being tutored and supported by Lee and Christa since she arrived in the zombie apocalypse , where Sarah was pushed away from all the terrible things by her father and not given a chance to do anything herself perhaps long before the zombie apocalypse arrived. As soon as Carlos is out of the picture she falls apart, until she's given the same support that Lee and Christa gave Clementine, and she show signs to get better.
I'm not giving you a hard time, I'm curious as to why I have this impression that you describe Sarah being pathetic is not meant for being 'pitiful' but more as being 'contemptible'.
Pathetic: arousing pitty; especially thru vulnerability and sadness
Does this not describe Sarah to a T? Yes, she IS pathetic for not bei… moreng able to suck it up. I'm not saying she deserved to die (my saying carver should've pushed her off was more of a joke). Clementine was kidnapped to and didn't have a panic attack because she had to trim berry bushes. And this thread is not about anyone else, it's about how pathetic Sarah was
I'm just saying it's easy to understand why most people have no compassion for her. Like I said before, despite all this I saved Sarah from the trailer and tried to save her at parker's run. Why are you bustin my balls?
Either way you take it, Sarah was pathetic. Sarah was sheltered from everything after the ZA because of her PTSD; if Carlos hadn't have shielded her, she probably would be in her favorite fetal position.
I not once said that I despised or had disdain for her, so you need not think i have contempt for her. Regardless of how pathetic and useless she was, I still wanted to save her and tried to save her
Pathetic is also described as: miserably inadequate. The word pathetic can be taken both ways.
Clementine had being tutored and supported… more by Lee and Christa since she arrived in the zombie apocalypse , where Sarah was pushed away from all the terrible things by her father and not given a chance to do anything herself perhaps long before the zombie apocalypse arrived. As soon as Carlos is out of the picture she falls apart, until she's given the same support that Lee and Christa gave Clementine, and she show signs to get better.
I'm not giving you a hard time, I'm curious as to why I have this impression that you describe Sarah being pathetic is not meant for being 'pitiful' but more as being 'contemptible'.
For me, Sarah was the most realistic character in The walking dead . If there were walking corpses around and my father had just died an hour ago, I would be broken too.
I never hated Sarah, even if she get on my nerves at times [it was the plant thing, I swear when that option came up help Sarah or carry on with your own work, i was like "damn it Sarah, if i die for your sins I'm going to haunt you so bad! >.< ] but seriously often than not I just felt sorry for her and was sad that I couldn't have my Clemmy help her to be stronger. I'm still annoyed teaching her to use a gun never paid off; it would've been some nice character growth before her demise T_T
I never hated Sarah, even if she get on my nerves at times [it was the plant thing, I swear when that option came up help Sarah or carry on … morewith your own work, i was like "damn it Sarah, if i die for your sins I'm going to haunt you so bad! >.< ] but seriously often than not I just felt sorry for her and was sad that I couldn't have my Clemmy help her to be stronger. I'm still annoyed teaching her to use a gun never paid off; it would've been some nice character growth before her demise T_T
Yeah at that scene when Clem was handed a gun I serious thought 'awesome is Sarah going to...nooo, she's just standing there...oh come on, aren't any of you going to save her!? Come on Mike you picked up two tubs of waters, I'm sure you can jump down there and lift some planks of wood off a kid!"
If Sarah had died saving Clem using a gun somehow and actually looking proud of herself before boom, she died suddenly, that would've made up for it because think about it, it would've been a different contrast to her giving up at the trailer park, because she would've died from being brave looking out for a friend, rather than cowering broken over her dad. I still would've been pissed, but damn anything's better than the deck death T_T although it would've been plain straight out nice if not everybody from the cabin group died. Luke, Nick and Sarah were my favorites out of them.
The scene on the balcony was a perfect time for her to use a gun, and I was disappointed when she didn't.
''You taught Sarah how to defend herself''
Yeah that totally mattered later on,smh.....
I'd think that if Sarah was guided by someone who was patient and kind but still willing to teach her about the harshness of the world, that she would have turned out just fine. Sarita, for example, might have been a pretty good guardian for her.
People gave up on her too quickly, that's one of the main complaints I have. Not even a day had passed since she'd lost her father, (Which is a traumatic experience for anyone to go through, let alone a 15 year old girl.) and everyone was jumping to declare her a lost cause and completely forgot she existed instead of trying to help her. Literally, considering that the majority of the characters just stood there on the deck uselessly when they could have went down there and saved her.
I'd think that if Sarah was guided by someone who was patient and kind but still willing to teach her about the harshness of the world, that… more she would have turned out just fine. Sarita, for example, might have been a pretty good guardian for her.
People gave up on her too quickly, that's one of the main complaints I have. Not even a day had passed since she'd lost her father, (Which is a traumatic experience for anyone to go through, let alone a 15 year old girl.) and everyone was jumping to declare her a lost cause and completely forgot she existed instead of trying to help her. Literally, considering that the majority of the characters just stood there on the deck uselessly when they could have went down there and saved her.
Pretty much. Characters that act like violent sociopaths are excused and treated like they are good people making the 'tough decisions', but Sarah is hated for simply existing. She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
I'll never forget how Sarah was treated as "potential serial killer" ever since Episode 1.
Never mind that her father is either incompetent or willingly shirks his doctoral duties in order to let a little girl - the one we spent an entire Season protecting and loving - die, and then has the audacity to lecture her for having a survival instinct.
Pretty much. Characters that act like violent sociopaths are excused and treated like they are good people making the 'tough decisions', but… more Sarah is hated for simply existing. She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
I'll never forget how Sarah was treated as "potential serial killer" ever since Episode 1.
The glaring example of this for me, is the people who still honestly believe she got Reggie killed. Even though Carver was looking for literally any excuse to kill him. But no, Reggie's murder is Sarah's fault because 'durrhurr she's too stupid to pick berries', and Carver's just doing what's best for his people, the poor stressed out man has just been through too much.
...One day I'm going to roll my eyes so hard that they'll fall out of my head.
I'll never forget how Sarah was treated as "potential serial killer" ever since Episode 1.
Never mind that her father is either incompete… morent or willingly shirks his doctoral duties in order to let a little girl - the one we spent an entire Season protecting and loving - die, and then has the audacity to lecture her for having a survival instinct.
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man off a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
So killing a man is fine because he didn't get his berries when they're right freaking there on that plant, and he couldn't do it his damned self?
I'll never forget how Sarah was treated as "potential serial killer" ever since Episode 1.
The glaring example of this for me, is th… moree people who still honestly believe she got Reggie killed. Even though Carver was looking for literally any excuse to kill him. But no, Reggie's murder is Sarah's fault because 'durrhurr she's too stupid to pick berries', and Carver's just doing what's best for his people, the poor stressed out man has just been through too much.
...One day I'm going to roll my eyes so hard that they'll fall out of my head.
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man off a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
Especially considering the reason that she couldn't properly pick the berries was technically Carver's fault in the first place. Carver made Carlos slap her in face for a small mistake such as talking out of turn, and the reason that she is having trouble picking the berries is because she's afraid that she'll make a mistake again and he'll make her dad hurt her again.
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man … moreoff a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
So killing a man is fine because he didn't get his berries when they're right freaking there on that plant, and he couldn't do it his damned self?
Or the fact that they'll freak out over her not wanting to do a psycho's job, while conveniently glossing over Kenny throwing a tantrum AND CAUSING ZOMBIES TO ENTER THE PLACE.
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man … moreoff a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
Especially considering the reason that she couldn't properly pick the berries was technically Carver's fault in the first place. Carver made Carlos slap her in face for a small mistake such as talking out of turn, and the reason that she is having trouble picking the berries is because she's afraid that she'll make a mistake again and he'll make her dad hurt her again.
Kenny's excused because he happened to get no-one killed in a situation he directly caused that very nearly got Clementine killed, the girl he was very happy to see again during their reunion. Troy is the only one who manages to save her while Kenny and Mike vanishes for some reason, and that's only because he wanted to push her around some more.
That's why Sarah is blamed for an innocent man's death that was out of her control due to a psychopath wanting an opportunity to quench his bloodlust for the day.
Or the fact that they'll freak out over her not wanting to do a psycho's job, while conveniently glossing over Kenny throwing a tantrum AND CAUSING ZOMBIES TO ENTER THE PLACE.
She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
well, who she was resulted in her inaction...whether it was mental illness or being too sheltered or a combination of both, people dislike her b/c she didn't do anything
also, she had been living in the ZA for 2 yrs and (b/c of panic disorder or PTSD) she didn't seem to grasp the reality of living in a world where humans are no longer an apex predator...that life is NEVER going back to the way it was. She didn't have a mean bone in her body...and while that's a great trait to have pre-ZA...those types of people, along with the selfless, altruistic types are the ones that are going to die first. The people that are still alive have directly and/or indirectly killed someone else.
Like Lydia says in the comics, "there aren't children anymore" (not verbatim)....the ZA drives home the reality that adolescents is a social construct...it's a fictitious luxury of society that came about as a result of industrial revolution and progressive era.
Pretty much. Characters that act like violent sociopaths are excused and treated like they are good people making the 'tough decisions', but… more Sarah is hated for simply existing. She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
getting slapped in the face should have no impact on one's ability to pull a berry off a bush. a blind monkey could've done a better job. If Sarah can't tell the difference between a live branch and dead ones...oh lordy....
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man … moreoff a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
Especially considering the reason that she couldn't properly pick the berries was technically Carver's fault in the first place. Carver made Carlos slap her in face for a small mistake such as talking out of turn, and the reason that she is having trouble picking the berries is because she's afraid that she'll make a mistake again and he'll make her dad hurt her again.
I've seen people blaming Sarita for getting herself bit (because she dared to protect the girls rather than be a nice quiet lady) and then excusing Kenny for literally leaving Clem to die.
"THIS IS ON YOUR HEAD, CLEMENTINE!" Runs away from Clem, leaving her stranded
To be fair, though, the Storm in general is a shitload of nonsense. Why on earth did nobody, zombie or human, notice Bonnie UNLOADING A MACHINE-GUN IN THE MIDDLE OF A HORDE? How come neither Sarah, Luke, Nick, Kenny or Mike suffer any consequences for running? Maybe it's easier for people to forgive Kenny for running off when the entire scenario makes no sense?
Kenny's excused because he happened to get no-one killed in a situation he directly caused that very nearly got Clementine killed, the girl … morehe was very happy to see again during their reunion. Troy is the only one who manages to save her while Kenny and Mike vanishes for some reason, and that's only because he wanted to push her around some more.
That's why Sarah is blamed for an innocent man's death that was out of her control due to a psychopath wanting an opportunity to quench his bloodlust for the day.
Logic, amirite?
Clem ranges from both annoying to boring. I think Sarah is one of the most likable characters in the entire series, She, Nick, and Walter were the only amazing characters introduced in season 2. Id save her over Clem, or any character to be honest
I only said that because the op said that if lee hadn't found clem she could have been like sarah but clem is the opposite of sarah she didn't need lee to make her strong he just helped her along. Clem is independent and Sarah needs her hand to be held in a zombie apocalypse there isnt time for hand holding I know im going to sound like a nazi but in a situation like that you cant put everyone else in danger to protect the weakest link time and time again. Sorry but in the apocalypse the rules change and in a sad way death was probably the release she needed.
I don't think that way when i play these games, and i wouldnt think that way in real life either, everyone is worth something, even the weak. Id always go back for her or someone like her even if it meant risking everyone else. I sound like an idiot but to me its always "feelings > logic"
I only said that because the op said that if lee hadn't found clem she could have been like sarah but clem is the opposite of sarah she didn… more't need lee to make her strong he just helped her along. Clem is independent and Sarah needs her hand to be held in a zombie apocalypse there isnt time for hand holding I know im going to sound like a nazi but in a situation like that you cant put everyone else in danger to protect the weakest link time and time again. Sorry but in the apocalypse the rules change and in a sad way death was probably the release she needed.
Its not real life its the zombie apocalypse its hell on earth when i play these types of games i imagine myself in that situation if saving her was something that could be done without risking others then fair enough but potentially killing everyone to save one person is a shortsighted call to make.
I don't think that way when i play these games, and i wouldnt think that way in real life either, everyone is worth something, even the weak… more. Id always go back for her or someone like her even if it meant risking everyone else. I sound like an idiot but to me its always "feelings > logic"
Lemme ask you something: how did civilization come about if it weren't for people being cooperative, kind, and sociable? It's the spoiled brats who glamorize violent bullies as 'survivors', when in reality those actually tend to get weeded out in real disasters due to them pissing off too many people.
She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
well, who she was resulted in her inactio… moren...whether it was mental illness or being too sheltered or a combination of both, people dislike her b/c she didn't do anything
also, she had been living in the ZA for 2 yrs and (b/c of panic disorder or PTSD) she didn't seem to grasp the reality of living in a world where humans are no longer an apex predator...that life is NEVER going back to the way it was. She didn't have a mean bone in her body...and while that's a great trait to have pre-ZA...those types of people, along with the selfless, altruistic types are the ones that are going to die first. The people that are still alive have directly and/or indirectly killed someone else.
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yes, S1 Clem was already fully aware of what was going on around her. That's probably b/c when it happened she was already essentially alone. She had the baby sitter, but she was able to keep herself alive for 2 days after Sandra was killed....everyone's mind develops at different rates. Clem wasn't really mature, her aloofness gets misconstrued as maturity (she did believe a stranger over the radio that he was with her parents...even though every kid is told not to talk or go off with strangers)
Jane and Luke are worth risking over sarah, she's just as important as them, she may not do anything useful, but that does not make her less important
Janes dumbass "you cant save (and shouldnt try to) everyone" story always pisses me off, its one of the most cringiest moments in the entire game and its what defines her as a character to me, i dont know if i have ever hated a fictional character so much before. heartless survivalist
Its not real life its the zombie apocalypse its hell on earth when i play these types of games i imagine myself in that situation if saving … moreher was something that could be done without risking others then fair enough but potentially killing everyone to save one person is a shortsighted call to make.
It's a disaster story. Disasters happen to people all the time. They could - gasp! - even happen to you. That is one reason why apocalyptic stories continue to appeal to people even though all traces of originality have vanished.
Its not real life its the zombie apocalypse its hell on earth when i play these types of games i imagine myself in that situation if saving … moreher was something that could be done without risking others then fair enough but potentially killing everyone to save one person is a shortsighted call to make.
Being such a pragmatist seems alien and inhumane to us because we're so used to living in a compassionate society...and we're able to feel remorse and sympathy....but turn the clock back 100 or so years or to when humans were still living nomadic lifestyles (which some people are still living)....or in the non-human animal world....there's not sympathy or compassion for those who are mentally or physically ill-equipped. Jane's way of thinking is what kept her alive...and it's not that she's necessarily all about not trying to save people....she's about not saving people who don't want to save themselves...or who are incapable of saving themselves. Jane is a realist/pragmatist....it seems heartless, but that's how it would in nature if we didn't have the sedentary, social/civil society that we're adapted to now...
Jane and Luke are worth risking over sarah, she's just as important as them, she may not do anything useful, but that does not make her less… more important
Janes dumbass "you cant save (and shouldnt try to) everyone" story always pisses me off, its one of the most cringiest moments in the entire game and its what defines her as a character to me, i dont know if i have ever hated a fictional character so much before. heartless survivalist
Sarah really is worth it, she is
she didn't seem to grasp the reality of living in a world where humans are no longer an apex predator...
Sarah was not completely blind to the world, she was both aware and against the fact that Carlos was keeping her sheltered from the apocalypse. She wanted to learn how to survive, but things went south before she could.
In the first episode, she wants to know what is going on when Clementine first comes to the cabin, but Carlos tells her to go back inside. She also asks Clementine to teach her how to shoot, (If something's wrong, I should know. What if I have to use one?) That doesn’t sound like someone who can’t grasp reality to me, sounds more like someone who wants to become more independent but is prevented from doing so. If anything, Sarah is offended at the notion that she should be sheltered from everything, if Clementine says “You told me to distract her,” when the rest of the group returns after Carver came over, she's pretty insulted that they purposely kept her out of the loop.
She didn’t have a mean bone in her body…
I don’t think you absolutely have to be a massive ass to make it in the apocalypse, as long as you know how to defend yourself, (Which as mentioned earlier, Sarah wanted to know how.) you aren’t a hopeless case. But I've never been in an apocalyptic situation so hell if I know.
She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
well, who she was resulted in her inactio… moren...whether it was mental illness or being too sheltered or a combination of both, people dislike her b/c she didn't do anything
also, she had been living in the ZA for 2 yrs and (b/c of panic disorder or PTSD) she didn't seem to grasp the reality of living in a world where humans are no longer an apex predator...that life is NEVER going back to the way it was. She didn't have a mean bone in her body...and while that's a great trait to have pre-ZA...those types of people, along with the selfless, altruistic types are the ones that are going to die first. The people that are still alive have directly and/or indirectly killed someone else.
Like Lydia says in the comics, "there aren't children anymore" (not verbatim)....the ZA drives home the reality that adolescents is a social construct...it's a fic… [view original content]
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Her 'hard' labor was picking berries. She doesn't have autism. I didn't say she was an idiot, just incompetent. In my opinion she is pathetic, but that didn't keep me from trying to save her anyway. Even after the stress of getting smacked, picking berries was SO easy...there's no excuse for her to mess up the easiest task in the world. The fact that she's 15 and has the maturity of an 8 year old is a problem. Sarah wasn't the only one kidnapped. no one else lost their sh*t
Pathetic is exactly the right word to use. Look up the definition for pathetic and you'll find that it's a perfect description. Don't call someone ignorant when you obviously are ignorant to what pathetic means. 'Pathetic' is not necessarily an insult. There's negative connotation with it, but it's not technically an insult
So in other words she deserves to be called pathetic for not sucking it up like other characters, especially Kenny who refuses to do any kind of labour and decides to pick a fight with Mike instead of working, which ends up getting the walkers inside and nearly kills Clementine when she gets trapped? I found Kenny's tantrum more pathetic than Sarah's predicament, who didn't deal with her situation by getting violent with everyone.
Her inability to pick berries on her very first day of labour after being kidnapped doesn't mean she's incompetent, especially when she hasn't even started the work yet. If you help her and support her, she does learn how to pick the berries and does it right. Even the most easiest task in the world can be hard to do when under stress due to being kidnapped and imprisoned, especially when having to deal with personal problems on top of that as well.
The word 'pathetic' all boils down to whether you pity Sarah for her predicament, or you find her contemptible. Pity and contemptible applies to the word 'pathetic', and judging by your comments I believe you did intend to use it as an insult, else you wouldn't have said 'Carver should've pushed her off the damn roof' among other things.
Pathetic: arousing pitty; especially thru vulnerability and sadness
Does this not describe Sarah to a T? Yes, she IS pathetic for not being able to suck it up. I'm not saying she deserved to die (my saying carver should've pushed her off was more of a joke). Clementine was kidnapped to and didn't have a panic attack because she had to trim berry bushes. And this thread is not about anyone else, it's about how pathetic Sarah was
I'm just saying it's easy to understand why most people have no compassion for her. Like I said before, despite all this I saved Sarah from the trailer and tried to save her at parker's run. Why are you bustin my balls?
Pathetic is also described as: miserably inadequate. The word pathetic can be taken both ways.
Clementine had being tutored and supported by Lee and Christa since she arrived in the zombie apocalypse , where Sarah was pushed away from all the terrible things by her father and not given a chance to do anything herself perhaps long before the zombie apocalypse arrived. As soon as Carlos is out of the picture she falls apart, until she's given the same support that Lee and Christa gave Clementine, and she show signs to get better.
I'm not giving you a hard time, I'm curious as to why I have this impression that you describe Sarah being pathetic is not meant for being 'pitiful' but more as being 'contemptible'.
well, she is miserably inadequate.
inadequate: not adequate; insufficient; incapable
Either way you take it, Sarah was pathetic. Sarah was sheltered from everything after the ZA because of her PTSD; if Carlos hadn't have shielded her, she probably would be in her favorite fetal position.
I not once said that I despised or had disdain for her, so you need not think i have contempt for her. Regardless of how pathetic and useless she was, I still wanted to save her and tried to save her
For me, Sarah was the most realistic character in The walking dead . If there were walking corpses around and my father had just died an hour ago, I would be broken too.
I never hated Sarah, even if she get on my nerves at times [it was the plant thing, I swear when that option came up help Sarah or carry on with your own work, i was like "damn it Sarah, if i die for your sins I'm going to haunt you so bad! >.< ] but seriously often than not I just felt sorry for her and was sad that I couldn't have my Clemmy help her to be stronger. I'm still annoyed teaching her to use a gun never paid off; it would've been some nice character growth before her demise T_T
The scene on the balcony was a perfect time for her to use a gun, and I was disappointed when she didn't.
''You taught Sarah how to defend herself''
Yeah that totally mattered later on,smh.....
Yeah at that scene when Clem was handed a gun I serious thought 'awesome is Sarah going to...nooo, she's just standing there...oh come on, aren't any of you going to save her!? Come on Mike you picked up two tubs of waters, I'm sure you can jump down there and lift some planks of wood off a kid!"
If Sarah had died saving Clem using a gun somehow and actually looking proud of herself before boom, she died suddenly, that would've made up for it
because think about it, it would've been a different contrast to her giving up at the trailer park, because she would've died from being brave looking out for a friend, rather than cowering broken over her dad. I still would've been pissed, but damn anything's better than the deck death T_T although it would've been plain straight out nice if not everybody from the cabin group died. Luke, Nick and Sarah were my favorites out of them.
Short answer: People suck.
What’s wrong with all you people!? Of course Sarah deserved to die horribly!
Remember that time she manipulated Carver, friend to all who would never dream of committing evil, to murder an innocent man?
Or that time she redirected a bullet in order to bring about the death of her own father?
Or the time she coaxed a walker into munching on Sarita’s arm while Kenny responsibly wandered away from his girlfriend for literally no reason?
Man, what a bitch!
I'd think that if Sarah was guided by someone who was patient and kind but still willing to teach her about the harshness of the world, that she would have turned out just fine. Sarita, for example, might have been a pretty good guardian for her.
People gave up on her too quickly, that's one of the main complaints I have. Not even a day had passed since she'd lost her father, (Which is a traumatic experience for anyone to go through, let alone a 15 year old girl.) and everyone was jumping to declare her a lost cause and completely forgot she existed instead of trying to help her. Literally, considering that the majority of the characters just stood there on the deck uselessly when they could have went down there and saved her.
I think of her and Arvo as Rorschach tests. What people (including their own creators) say about these fictional characters reflects their own values.
Pretty much. Characters that act like violent sociopaths are excused and treated like they are good people making the 'tough decisions', but Sarah is hated for simply existing. She was written off as a liability not because of her actions, but because of who she was.
I'll never forget how Sarah was treated as "potential serial killer" ever since Episode 1.
Never mind that her father is either incompetent or willingly shirks his doctoral duties in order to let a little girl - the one we spent an entire Season protecting and loving - die, and then has the audacity to lecture her for having a survival instinct.
The glaring example of this for me, is the people who still honestly believe she got Reggie killed. Even though Carver was looking for literally any excuse to kill him. But no, Reggie's murder is Sarah's fault because 'durrhurr she's too stupid to pick berries', and Carver's just doing what's best for his people, the poor stressed out man has just been through too much.
...One day I'm going to roll my eyes so hard that they'll fall out of my head.
It's funny how Sarah's inability to pick berries is considered to be the bigger problem, and not Carver who literally pushes a disabled man off a roof to his death over freaking berries of all things.
So killing a man is fine because he didn't get his berries when they're right freaking there on that plant, and he couldn't do it his damned self?
Especially considering the reason that she couldn't properly pick the berries was technically Carver's fault in the first place. Carver made Carlos slap her in face for a small mistake such as talking out of turn, and the reason that she is having trouble picking the berries is because she's afraid that she'll make a mistake again and he'll make her dad hurt her again.
Or the fact that they'll freak out over her not wanting to do a psycho's job, while conveniently glossing over Kenny throwing a tantrum AND CAUSING ZOMBIES TO ENTER THE PLACE.
Kenny's excused because he happened to get no-one killed in a situation he directly caused that very nearly got Clementine killed, the girl he was very happy to see again during their reunion. Troy is the only one who manages to save her while Kenny and Mike vanishes for some reason, and that's only because he wanted to push her around some more.
That's why Sarah is blamed for an innocent man's death that was out of her control due to a psychopath wanting an opportunity to quench his bloodlust for the day.
Logic, amirite?
well, who she was resulted in her inaction...whether it was mental illness or being too sheltered or a combination of both, people dislike her b/c she didn't do anything
also, she had been living in the ZA for 2 yrs and (b/c of panic disorder or PTSD) she didn't seem to grasp the reality of living in a world where humans are no longer an apex predator...that life is NEVER going back to the way it was. She didn't have a mean bone in her body...and while that's a great trait to have pre-ZA...those types of people, along with the selfless, altruistic types are the ones that are going to die first. The people that are still alive have directly and/or indirectly killed someone else.
Like Lydia says in the comics, "there aren't children anymore" (not verbatim)....the ZA drives home the reality that adolescents is a social construct...it's a fictitious luxury of society that came about as a result of industrial revolution and progressive era.
getting slapped in the face should have no impact on one's ability to pull a berry off a bush. a blind monkey could've done a better job. If Sarah can't tell the difference between a live branch and dead ones...oh lordy....
I've seen people blaming Sarita for getting herself bit (because she dared to protect the girls rather than be a nice quiet lady) and then excusing Kenny for literally leaving Clem to die.
To be fair, though, the Storm in general is a shitload of nonsense. Why on earth did nobody, zombie or human, notice Bonnie UNLOADING A MACHINE-GUN IN THE MIDDLE OF A HORDE? How come neither Sarah, Luke, Nick, Kenny or Mike suffer any consequences for running? Maybe it's easier for people to forgive Kenny for running off when the entire scenario makes no sense?
When lee met clem she was 8 years old and already stronger than sarah
Clem ranges from both annoying to boring. I think Sarah is one of the most likable characters in the entire series, She, Nick, and Walter were the only amazing characters introduced in season 2. Id save her over Clem, or any character to be honest
she wasnt 15 at heart, she doesnt deserve to be treated terribly because of her age
I only said that because the op said that if lee hadn't found clem she could have been like sarah but clem is the opposite of sarah she didn't need lee to make her strong he just helped her along. Clem is independent and Sarah needs her hand to be held in a zombie apocalypse there isnt time for hand holding I know im going to sound like a nazi but in a situation like that you cant put everyone else in danger to protect the weakest link time and time again. Sorry but in the apocalypse the rules change and in a sad way death was probably the release she needed.
I don't think that way when i play these games, and i wouldnt think that way in real life either, everyone is worth something, even the weak. Id always go back for her or someone like her even if it meant risking everyone else. I sound like an idiot but to me its always "feelings > logic"
Its not real life its the zombie apocalypse its hell on earth when i play these types of games i imagine myself in that situation if saving her was something that could be done without risking others then fair enough but potentially killing everyone to save one person is a shortsighted call to make.
So sayeth a boy living in the first world.
Lemme ask you something: how did civilization come about if it weren't for people being cooperative, kind, and sociable? It's the spoiled brats who glamorize violent bullies as 'survivors', when in reality those actually tend to get weeded out in real disasters due to them pissing off too many people.
yes, S1 Clem was already fully aware of what was going on around her. That's probably b/c when it happened she was already essentially alone. She had the baby sitter, but she was able to keep herself alive for 2 days after Sandra was killed....everyone's mind develops at different rates. Clem wasn't really mature, her aloofness gets misconstrued as maturity (she did believe a stranger over the radio that he was with her parents...even though every kid is told not to talk or go off with strangers)
Jane and Luke are worth risking over sarah, she's just as important as them, she may not do anything useful, but that does not make her less important
Janes dumbass "you cant save (and shouldnt try to) everyone" story always pisses me off, its one of the most cringiest moments in the entire game and its what defines her as a character to me, i dont know if i have ever hated a fictional character so much before. heartless survivalist
Sarah really is worth it, she is
It's a disaster story. Disasters happen to people all the time. They could - gasp! - even happen to you. That is one reason why apocalyptic stories continue to appeal to people even though all traces of originality have vanished.
Being such a pragmatist seems alien and inhumane to us because we're so used to living in a compassionate society...and we're able to feel remorse and sympathy....but turn the clock back 100 or so years or to when humans were still living nomadic lifestyles (which some people are still living)....or in the non-human animal world....there's not sympathy or compassion for those who are mentally or physically ill-equipped. Jane's way of thinking is what kept her alive...and it's not that she's necessarily all about not trying to save people....she's about not saving people who don't want to save themselves...or who are incapable of saving themselves. Jane is a realist/pragmatist....it seems heartless, but that's how it would in nature if we didn't have the sedentary, social/civil society that we're adapted to now...
Sarah was not completely blind to the world, she was both aware and against the fact that Carlos was keeping her sheltered from the apocalypse. She wanted to learn how to survive, but things went south before she could.
In the first episode, she wants to know what is going on when Clementine first comes to the cabin, but Carlos tells her to go back inside. She also asks Clementine to teach her how to shoot, (If something's wrong, I should know. What if I have to use one?) That doesn’t sound like someone who can’t grasp reality to me, sounds more like someone who wants to become more independent but is prevented from doing so. If anything, Sarah is offended at the notion that she should be sheltered from everything, if Clementine says “You told me to distract her,” when the rest of the group returns after Carver came over, she's pretty insulted that they purposely kept her out of the loop.
I don’t think you absolutely have to be a massive ass to make it in the apocalypse, as long as you know how to defend yourself, (Which as mentioned earlier, Sarah wanted to know how.) you aren’t a hopeless case. But I've never been in an apocalyptic situation so hell if I know.
Survival of the fittest.