Carver's Stupidity
In the end of In Harm's Way it bothered me how dumb and plot based Carver's stupidity was. He threatens to kill Rebecca and her baby after spending fuel, bullets and lives as well as putting himself in danger to get them. I know thats been pointed out but something that hasn't is that he had a gun on him before his death that was obvious. I know some people missed it but here it is
I know people will say he might not have had ammo or he was outnumbered. I get the feeling he always has a back up plan especially with something like this. He could have gunned down Kenny before his death.
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Reminds me a bit of how Luke's character model has his handgun at his hip when he's crouching to pick up a weapon and Troy trains a rifle on him. Or how he has his machete in its sheath on his his back when he's up on the observation deck, stabbing at incoming walkers through the gate with a duplicate machete... XD Although these would be examples of designer oversight.
I'm guessing he was in too much pain to think straight. But this is NOTHING compared to his imbecility in the previous episode.
He's in so much pain but not enough to not give an entire monologue about how Social Darwinism but too much to use the gun at his hip -_-
Well... he had his gun but I think he didn't used it because he knew that they will be faster and he'll end up dead. I mean, he end up dead either way but Carver was smart after all and he knew that he probably doesn't has any chance of getting out of this by using force. He was outnumbered.
Imagine you're GRRM and give a random hobo the permission to write book 5. The end result will obviously be trash and that's how Season 2 turned out when they handed it down to a bunch of incompetent talentless hacks with no prior writing experience.
Big words. Write something better yourself, it's VERY easy to nitpick at someone else's work.
Nick Breckon helped write the 400 Days DLC, Mark Darin wrote Starved for Help from Season 1 as well as the 400 Days DLC, Pierre Shorette had an additional writing credit on No Time Left and wrote Faith from TWAU, J.T. Petty worked on the Ubisoft game Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell and Outlast, so they had "prior writing experience." Not to mention Andrew Grant wrote the first episode of GOT and Pierre Shorette, along with Eric Stirpe, has written for TFTBL, and that game has been acclaimed so far.
Just did my bit of research on that as well. There are mistakes, they are human after all, but overall they are talented people, I for one liked their work. But you can't satiate some of the ever whining divas in this world.
I agree, they are very talented people. If there are two people I want writing Season 3, it's Breckon and Shorette (throw in Darin if I can have a third writer).
You, good sir, are speaking only the pure truth. Breckon for season 3!
Thanks bro, I appreciate it bro.
Bro, no problem, bro.
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LOL nice Catch... LOGIC STATES I would rather be beaten to death than reach for my gun.
I wasn't expecting Shakespeare from Season two. We got maybe Dean Koontz, early nineties...
In Clem's defense i wouldn't quote the outlast storyline as coherent or good. It was absolutely horrible.
I agree with Clem...
Easily. I know for a fact that their are talented writers on these forums that could write leagues better than that story. I don't want to sound mean , but whoever wrote that story had obvious no writing experience. They had no idea how to create realistic dimensional characters. They created multiple plot holes, over and over with no explanation other than. "LUCKY REALLY LUCKY. Some characters were developed to be nothing more than parrots ie Sarita to Kenny.
What is season three going to be about the reemergence of Christa? Jesus Christ. Another rehash.
I personally have never played it, but it got some pretty good reviews from what I've seen. But even with that, you still had Andrew Grant, Mark Darin, Eric Stirpe, Pierre Shorette, and Nick Breckon, all very talented writers in their own right, in some way write for this game, whether it was as a main or additional writer.
Its scenes like this that all I do is laugh at the stupidity. I know that they were trying to be dark and set a tone but it just comes off as hilarity
Review isn't the story of the game.
Trust me its horrible. Same cliche story, you heard a billion times. Evil corporation doing experiments on the helpless.
Even if he did kill Kenny and everyone, he'd still die due the horde coming in.
Though he wouldn't because If he somehow manage to kill Kenny (like you said) then he'd be shot by Luke. He was holding AK after all, yes?
Technically he still would have more of a chance if he did something instead of slowly wait to be beaten to death
I don't think him crawling out of there would have gave him much of a chance anyway. Plus, Kenny's beatdwon wouldn't be as painful as getting eaten. Carver's knocked out by the second shot, he's not gonna feel anything. The zombies will just bite and rip your guts out. It'd be short but painful.
I assume he meant after Luke left the room.
Carver got his community almost single handedly taken down by an eleven year old child within the span of 72 hours. And it took the girl minimal amount of work.
Either the girl is a badass superhuman or Carver is a fucking idiot, I think it's a little bit from column A and a little bit from column B.
Even assuming you're right he could have just killed himself with the gun if he was afraid of a painful death
He couldn't even walk because of what Kenny did to him before he beaten him to death so even if he manage to shot Kenny then the rest would quickly come back and finish him.
I agree with you. No matter what, Carver would die.
Well, I don't know, okay? I don't know what it's like having a bullet in each knee, so whatever. But even if he did shoot Kenny, it'd be pointless for him since he'd die anyways. He thinks the best way for him to win in this situation is to mess with Kenny's head in a way that it stays with him forever, even after he kills him. Besides if Carver did want to kill him, he would have done it during the beatdown scene.
Carver giving his comic book speech (which he seems to be known to do) at the end there gave Clem enough time to sneak over and attack him. If you wait around long enough he spots Clem and kills her right then and there then game over, start again. The fact that he never reaches for his pistol could be due to knowing how fucking screwed he is, both with himself and his community.
But he says "I should've put you outta your misery right there" all the while he has a loaded gun in his pocket. Thats the funny part
Maybe, but from maybe until sure there are miles. I want to see proof, not just pointing fingers. While it had its little issues, I agree, the story on the whole is a very memorable and succesful one. And maybe there are talented people here, I don't contest that, but I want to see him write something better, if he invests in such bold statements.
Carver as a whole is pretty stupid, but at least this scene isn't really that dumb when you think about it. How much time would he have to reach for his gun when he's already on the floor with an AK aiming at him, and one angry redneck with a crowbar?
Regardless, he was dead either way.
Assuming this gun wasn't just overlooked part of Carver's character model, I doubt he could've reached for it in a room filled with armed people, especially Kenny and his bloodthirsty crowbar.
He threatens to kill Rebecca and his baby once he understands there was no other option to stop her from running away. "Better destroy it myself than let it go without me. No one can have it but me" logic. I don't think he would do that anyway, those were just words of angry, disappointed man.
We can as well compare Kenny's words to Clementine "I outta slap you". He said it after he lost his eye to protect her, but we haven't called it "Kenny's stupidity". He didn't mean it and I believe he wouldn't do that. Same as Carver.
He's surrounded by a bunch of people armed with a variety of weapons. Luke has an AK, at least one other person there has a handgun, and the rest are armed with a variety of melee weapons. The second he would reach for that gun, he'd either be blasted to bits, or immediately tackled and beaten senseless
And even if he did go for the gun, he'd be able to take down, what, a single person if he's lucky?
If he tried to pull that gun out once everyone else left, what do you think is going to happen? Kenny's just going to slowly walk over to him and let it happen? No, Kenny (or Rebecca or possibly Clementine) would see him reaching for the gun and he'd charge him with the crowbar before he could even get that thing out of his holster. A little known fact: you can easily charge someone reaching for a holstered gun before they can even get it out and take a reliable shot at you. It's not like he's some fucking quick-draw western dude that will pull it out and get a shot off within 0.5 seconds.
True. Seeing as how his gun barely had a presence in the rest of the story, he was probably better off not having it at all.
You do realize he was left in a room with three unarmed people and he decided to lecture them to death, right
Which part are you talking about? I haven't seen the scene in a while, so I don't really recall three unarmed people being lectured by Carver in that scene.
Kenny had his gun away while Clementine and Rebecca were unarmed. Instead of grabbing a gun by his hip he chose to preach a bunch of darwinist nonsense