It adds the same thing as seeing someone die onscreen or someone swearing its doesnt add anything it makes it real, it doesnt hide anything and I'm glad it doesnt.
If it was a random 10 minute sex scene then fine but for the most part its little parts of scenes that would be that way anyway
Well, it does add something to the show, you can’t argue it away.
What does it add to the actual story itself though..? It's complet… moreely unnecessary to the story and also to the environment, for the most part. Its really way over the top, and I honestly don't think that it's meant as anything more than a sexual side to the show. I'm not sure if it's meant to be a draw for more viewers or what... but it's pretty annoying.
I kind of doubt that fans dislike Emilia as an actress because of her refusing to do additional nude scenes, but if they do, that's incredibly ridiculous.
Characters dying onscreen is for the sake of the story. Swearing is just a natural part of speech. The show actually goes out of it's own way to push for unnecessary nudity and random sex scenes. Just as a random example, all of the sex scenes in Littlefinger's brothel were 100% unnecessary and they added nothing to the story. This kind of thing is all over the show, and the only real reason is to add a sexual aspect for the audience.
It adds the same thing as seeing someone die onscreen or someone swearing its doesnt add anything it makes it real, it doesnt hide anything … moreand I'm glad it doesnt.
If it was a random 10 minute sex scene then fine but for the most part its little parts of scenes that would be that way anyway
When you consider the original work also had plenty of sex in it then its not really adding it just for that, and even if it was why does it matter? Everything is added for the audience.
Okay fine the Ros character was always a bit of a weird addition but she was gone by season 3, and I've always felt every scene had some purpose maybe the odd one less so but plenty of scenes in the show are often pointless.
Characters dying onscreen is for the sake of the story. Swearing is just a natural part of speech. The show actually goes out of it's own wa… morey to push for unnecessary nudity and random sex scenes. Just as a random example, all of the sex scenes in Littlefinger's brothel were 100% unnecessary and they added nothing to the story. This kind of thing is all over the show, and the only real reason is to add a sexual aspect for the audience.
When you consider the original work also had plenty of sex in it then its not really adding it just for that,
I can't really speak to how the books incorporated it, but that doesn't justify the show doing it, especially to the extent that they do. The vast majority of it has been totally separate from the actual story itself.
and even if it was why does it matter? Everything is added for the audience.
What justification does that hold? It was added for the audience so therefore it can't be criticized..? I simply think it's unnecessary, and a very clear attempt to attract viewers. Like I said before, it doesn't actually add anything to the story.
Okay fine the Ros character was always a bit of a weird addition but she was gone by season 3, and I've always felt every scene had some purpose maybe the odd one less so but plenty of scenes in the show are often pointless.
It wasn't just Ros. What about the multiple scenes with Oberyn? How about Podrick? Bronn? These are just random examples off the top of my head. Essentially every sex scene in the show meant nothing more than these examples. There's a very obvious agenda being pushed here. I mean really, essentially every episode has incorporated sex and/or nudity in some fashion (alright, not every episode, but seriously like what... 90% of them?). It wasn't just incorporated for a sense of realism... it's incorporated to sexualize the show and draw in viewers. It's unnecessary and way over the top.
is to add a sexual aspect for the audience.
When you consider the original work also had plenty of sex in it then its not really add… moreing it just for that, and even if it was why does it matter? Everything is added for the audience.
Okay fine the Ros character was always a bit of a weird addition but she was gone by season 3, and I've always felt every scene had some purpose maybe the odd one less so but plenty of scenes in the show are often pointless.
What about the multiple scenes with Oberyn? How about Podrick? Bronn?
All those scenes had tons of characters interacting and development, its wasnt just people fucking. The pod scene in particular added pretty much his first ever real scene and some humour. None of those scenes were more pointless than any other scenes where characters just talk. For most of those scenes it was the environment they were
There's a very obvious agenda being pushed here
its only an agenda because people turn it into one, I think its such a big deal due to the way america censors everything over here its not really that much
When you consider the original work also had plenty of sex in it then its not really adding it just for that,
I can't really speak t… moreo how the books incorporated it, but that doesn't justify the show doing it, especially to the extent that they do. The vast majority of it has been totally separate from the actual story itself.
and even if it was why does it matter? Everything is added for the audience.
What justification does that hold? It was added for the audience so therefore it can't be criticized..? I simply think it's unnecessary, and a very clear attempt to attract viewers. Like I said before, it doesn't actually add anything to the story.
Okay fine the Ros character was always a bit of a weird addition but she was gone by season 3, and I've always felt every scene had some purpose maybe the odd one less so but plenty of scenes in the show are often pointless.
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I sort of wonder if the fans who dislike Daenary's personality are the same ones that like Stannis.. who actually carries the same "bad" personality traits that Dany has, but to a more extreme. Just a thought.
All those scenes had tons of characters interacting and development, its wasnt just people fucking.
Of course there was interaction, but the constant sex and nudity is a total aside to that. It's not needed at all. Having characters interact doesn't justify the need for the constant sex and nudity.
None of those scenes were more pointless than any other scenes where characters just talk
... having characters talk and interact builds on their actual character and helps the audience to further connect with them, even if the scenes don't end up meaning a whole lot in the long run. The nudity and sex in the show is again, a total aside to that. It offers nothing other than to sexualize the show. That's seriously all it's for.
its only an agenda because people turn it into one, I think its such a big deal due to the way america censors everything over here
Like I said, this theme has been prevalent through every single season of the show, in essentially every single episode. You can't honestly tell me there isn't an agenda being pushed. There is a very obvious sexual aspect to the show, and it's totally separate from the story itself.
its not really that much
Then what can possibly constitute as "much"? We've been beaten over the head with it four seasons in a row now. It's found its way into like 90% of the total episodes. It would be one thing if we were talking about a little something every once in a blue moon, but the strong sexual themes are very much a part of what the show is, and it's completely separate from the actual story itself.
What about the multiple scenes with Oberyn? How about Podrick? Bronn?
All those scenes had tons of characters interacting and develo… morepment, its wasnt just people fucking. The pod scene in particular added pretty much his first ever real scene and some humour. None of those scenes were more pointless than any other scenes where characters just talk. For most of those scenes it was the environment they were
There's a very obvious agenda being pushed here
its only an agenda because people turn it into one, I think its such a big deal due to the way america censors everything over here its not really that much
I really don't get it. Stannis is such a popular character, and yet Daenarys seems to be pretty widely hated. It doesn't make any sense to me, considering Stannis's personality carries many of the same sort of traits that seem to get held against Daenarys.
Yeah people are like "Dany is soooo dumb for banishing Jorah, Stannis is much better!" Even though Stannis was literally about to have Davos executed and is more or less just Melisandre's pawn.
I really don't get it. Stannis is such a popular character, and yet Daenarys seems to be pretty widely hated. It doesn't make any sense to m… moree, considering Stannis's personality carries many of the same sort of traits that seem to get held against Daenarys.
While I can't speak for everyone I find that it has more to do with the sense of progression both in plot and character and less to do with their personalities, though that obviously has an impact. Stannis seems to have actual progression both in character and plot with events such as murdering his brother, assaulting Kings Landing and aiding the Nights Watch, real quantifiable efforts towards his goals that provide a sense of actual progression and have an impact on other characters stories.
Dany on the other hand is stuck over in Yunkai or wherever sitting on a throne listening to peasants whine and ignoring her advisors(that is one of my biggest problems with her). All she does is sit around "ruling." Her scenes/chapters are painfully slow, with little progress towards her original goals of taking the iron throne, this makes her character feel stale(at least to me), the books have character development through inner monologues but the show cannot portray that, which leaves her character seem lacking in development.
While Stannis is actually doing things that have impact on multiple main characters such as Cersei and Tyrion during the Kings Landing assault, Dany is secluded away from pretty much every other main character having virtually no impact on their lives.
I find her sections in the show/book feel more like filler content, as they are so detached from everything else going on, which makes her boring and I find it hard to like a boring character.
I really don't get it. Stannis is such a popular character, and yet Daenarys seems to be pretty widely hated. It doesn't make any sense to m… moree, considering Stannis's personality carries many of the same sort of traits that seem to get held against Daenarys.
I can definitely understand all of that. I'm speaking more to how people are judging the two on an individual sort of level, as in their personality traits. There seems to be a large portion of fans who have some sort of hate for the actual character herself.
While I can't speak for everyone I find that it has more to do with the sense of progression both in plot and character and less to do with … moretheir personalities, though that obviously has an impact. Stannis seems to have actual progression both in character and plot with events such as murdering his brother, assaulting Kings Landing and aiding the Nights Watch, real quantifiable efforts towards his goals that provide a sense of actual progression and have an impact on other characters stories.
Dany on the other hand is stuck over in Yunkai or wherever sitting on a throne listening to peasants whine and ignoring her advisors(that is one of my biggest problems with her). All she does is sit around "ruling." Her scenes/chapters are painfully slow, with little progress towards her original goals of taking the iron throne, this makes her character feel stale(at least to me), the books have character development through inner monologues but the … [view original content]
I'm one of those people who hate Dany and love Stannis, so I'll try to present the situation as I see it.
Stannis feels real, grey as the common man, not the king that people want to see sitting on the throne. Daenerys has bloodthirsty monsters and the ancient blood, with her people regarding her as their champion; Stannis does not have any of that. He is not as strong and perfect king material as Daenerys seems to be, he's not as self-sufficient and independent. He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people. Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North. Also, he's one of the best military commanders in Westeros (I'm not talking about the Blackwater, because no one could've predicted Tyrion's chain), just look at his great victiories in the past.
And, he is simply hillarious in his bitterness. I find his quotes the most powerful and memorable of the whole series.
"There is no creature more terrifying than a truly just man."
I really don't get it. Stannis is such a popular character, and yet Daenarys seems to be pretty widely hated. It doesn't make any sense to m… moree, considering Stannis's personality carries many of the same sort of traits that seem to get held against Daenarys.
I'm one of those people who hate Dany and love Stannis, so I'll try to present the situation as I see it.
Stannis feels real, grey as the… more common man, not the king that people want to see sitting on the throne. Daenerys has bloodthirsty monsters and the ancient blood, with her people regarding her as their champion; Stannis does not have any of that. He is not as strong and perfect king material as Daenerys seems to be, he's not as self-sufficient and independent. He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people. Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North. Also, he's one of the best military commanders in Westeros (I'm not talking about the Blackwater, because no one could've predicted Tyrion's chain), just look at his great victiories in the past.
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My hate for Daenerys as a character knows no boundaries. I have only antipathy for her cause, and I cringe to the thought her filthy bunch of Dothraki horse-f*ckers and Essos' slaves and lowest castes might ever soil the beautiful lands of Westeros with their dirty unwashed feet. But at least I love to hate her and read every single of their POVs, if only because her arc is closely intricate with the main plot.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys.
Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens......Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
My hate for Daenerys as a character knows no boundaries. I have only antipathy for her cause, and I cringe to the thought her filthy bunch o… moref Dothraki horse-f*ckers and Essos' slaves and lowest castes might ever soil the beautiful lands of Westeros with their dirty unwashed feet. But at least I love to hate her and read every single of their POVs, if only because her arc is closely intricate with the main plot.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys.
Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
Like many people have alluded to before me, I don't hate Emilia Clarke's portrayal of Daenerys I just simply hate Daenerys in general. When I first began reading the books I loved her character, she appeared to be a sort of pensive inquisitor that was deeply affected by the tragedies she endured and who was now on a quest to be the caring, just leader that Westoros needed.
But as the story progressed she grew an egotistical persona and gained some sort of false sense of entitlement much like her brother. She still believes that her father was a just man who was wrongly usurped from his throne and she even tells Barristan Selmy not to tell her the truth, she's purposely deludes herself. Everything she's earned has been given to her she doesn't fight, deal with strategy, come up with solutions, all her achievements can be attributed to either her council members or her army. I do respect her for liberating cities and attempting to end slavery but she makes faulty political decisions much like Robb Stark and her arrogant attitude especially in the T.V show is too bothersome for me to accept.
Now yes I am a Stannis loyalist. The man literally does not give up no matter what because of his strong passion for duty. His character has progressed from simply a man who is seeking what is rightfully his to someone who truly cares for the well being of Westoros being the only king who attempts to do something about the others (which GRRM has repeatedly said are the real threat) and the only person to attempts liberating the north.
Some Stannis the Mannis quotes...
"Your brothers will not like it, no more than your father's lords, but I mean to allow the wildlings through the Wall... those who will swear me their fealty, pledge to keep the king's peace and the king's laws, and take the Lord of Light as their god. Even the giants, if those great knees of theirs can bend. I will settle them on the Gift, once I have wrested it away from your new Lord Commander. When the cold winds rise, we shall live or die together. It is time we made alliance against our common foe. ”
– Stannis, to Jon Snow
“I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.”
– Stannis, to Jon Snow
“We all know what my brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell … or die in the attempt. ”
– Stannis, to his bannermen
“I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?”
– Stannis, to Theon Greyjoy
Like I said before, I'm specifically talking about them in terms of their personality traits. The typical negatives against Daenery's personality are traits that Stannis has as well, if not also in a more extreme sort of way.
I'll quickly touch on some of the things you brought up here anyway though.
He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people.
Could the same not be said for Dany?
Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North.
She has been building an army and fighting for what she believes in (the freedom of slaves). Her story has been about way more than her dragons, by comparison at least. Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
Also, he's one of the best military commanders in Westeros (I'm not talking about the Blackwater, because no one could've predicted Tyrion's chain), just look at his great victiories in the past.
Is that really something that can be held against Dany in comparison though? I don't think she has to be some sort of great commander (or a commander at all really) in order to be considered a good leader. I guess I'm not really sure what Stannis being a great commander has to do with not liking Daenerys...
In general it doesn't really seem very fair to compare the two in terms of their accomplishments + their current situations. Stannis is in fact more accomplished and is of course also a better commander.. but like I said above, what do these things have to do with not liking Dany?
I'm one of those people who hate Dany and love Stannis, so I'll try to present the situation as I see it.
Stannis feels real, grey as the… more common man, not the king that people want to see sitting on the throne. Daenerys has bloodthirsty monsters and the ancient blood, with her people regarding her as their champion; Stannis does not have any of that. He is not as strong and perfect king material as Daenerys seems to be, he's not as self-sufficient and independent. He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people. Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North. Also, he's one of the best military commanders in Westeros (I'm not talking about the Blackwater, because no one could've predicted Tyrion's chain), just look at his great victiories in the past.
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Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys. Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
My hate for Daenerys as a character knows no boundaries. I have only antipathy for her cause, and I cringe to the thought her filthy bunch o… moref Dothraki horse-f*ckers and Essos' slaves and lowest castes might ever soil the beautiful lands of Westeros with their dirty unwashed feet. But at least I love to hate her and read every single of their POVs, if only because her arc is closely intricate with the main plot.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys.
Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
We get to see her in Terminator Genisys this summer, so we'll see how she handles Sarah Connor.
I agree with the other posts about the fa… moreult being more in her writing than her acting. She was a well developed character in the first season, conflicted, scared--and she pulled it off well. Then she took on a leadership role and has perhaps come off too confident. But she's cool in my book.
Not exactly. (Spoilers!) For, example, Deanerys hadn't captured Yunkai, her people had. Jorah, Daario and the Grey Worm infiltrated the city and fought their way through the slave soldiers guarding it. Stannis was onboard his fleet burned to ashes, he led the charge against the wildlings. Dany is the boss, Stannis is the commander.
Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
Like I said, Daenerys has the advantage of being the perfect queen, people offer her gifts and put swords at her feet, delighted and honored to see her. Stannis hasn't got many allies. His wife doesn't love him, his own army doesn't value him. He is unlucky, unwanted and despised, even by his own family.
I guess I'm not really sure what Stannis being a great commander has to do with not liking Daenerys...
Personality traits make a character. Simple - I like Stannis because he can fight, I don't like Dany because she can't. I think it has to do with who is the better leader and (possibly) future king of Westeros.
In general it doesn't really seem very fair to compare the two in terms of their accomplishments + their current situations. Stannis is in fact more accomplished and is of course also a better commander.. but like I said above, what do these things have to do with not liking Dany?
I spoke in general, really couldn't finy any more of Daenerys' achievements or advantages than could be compared with Stannis. This was my personal confession of why I like Stannis more.
Like I said before, I'm specifically talking about them in terms of their personality traits. The typical negatives against Daenery's perso… morenality are traits that Stannis has as well, if not also in a more extreme sort of way.
I'll quickly touch on some of the things you brought up here anyway though.
He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people.
Could the same not be said for Dany?
Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North.
She has been building an army and fighting for what she believes in (the freedom of slaves). Her story has been about way more than her dragons, by comparison at least. Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
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You keep saying it's separate from the story. Well, let me tell you something: everything on the screen is not supposed to be plot-driven, it's building the world of the show not the story of it. It's showing us the sexual standards of Westeros and the sexuality of the characters. Yeah, now and then they might go over the top with it, but that doesn't mean those scenes are meant to be just, well, random nudity.
All those scenes had tons of characters interacting and development, its wasnt just people fucking.
Of course there was interaction,… more but the constant sex and nudity is a total aside to that. It's not needed at all. Having characters interact doesn't justify the need for the constant sex and nudity.
None of those scenes were more pointless than any other scenes where characters just talk
... having characters talk and interact builds on their actual character and helps the audience to further connect with them, even if the scenes don't end up meaning a whole lot in the long run. The nudity and sex in the show is again, a total aside to that. It offers nothing other than to sexualize the show. That's seriously all it's for.
its only an agenda because people turn it into one, I think its such a big deal due to the way america censors everything over here
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Sorry if my lack of admiration for Clarke offends her fandom, but no, I don't even have insane standards. The girl you post in your pic for example is objectively stunning and while I find this imageboard thing of rating people completely stupid, if you'd ask me of course I'd give this one a 10/10. (When it comes to this I'm quite generous with the 10s, I'd make a terrible judge for beauty contests because I would give half the contestants max points)
But I admit I've been a bit provocative. So let me review my comment.
The fact that Clarke looks fake as a blonde is indisputable, and there's no deying it. And we can't blame the wig alone. Some non-blondes look credible with dyed hair or wigs, some don't. Clarke doesn't.
As for the looks, obviously this is partly a matter of subjectivity. But while I'm willing to take back the harshest words (vulgar was over the top), I think it can be accepted as fact that Emilia Clarke is more on the cute side than the hot side. Round face, narrow jaw, narrow shoulders, short legs, slightly chubby ass and hips : all of this is adorable and very desirable. However she gives a girl next door vibe (a girl next door I'd feel lucky to have in my bed, just sayin, in case you want to go on with the predictable memes and attempts to depict me as a 'sour grapes' nerd), not an aristocratic beauty vibe.
This is not a matter of height either, she just happens to have these paedomorphic features that make one look juvenile and teenagerish the whole life. With her physical type, she is the kind that people feel inclined to call "kiddo" more than "lady" even at age 30+ (let alone "your highness").
And that's why she strikes me as completely off in the role of Daenerys Targaryen, that should look naturally majestic and give away a vibe of natural authority once established as queen. When Clarke's Daenerys attempts to play it queenly or gives orders, she looks like a spoiled teenager more than a ruler. She doesn't look the part of the last heiress of the most powerful house of dragon tamers.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her b… moreody is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens......Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refine… mored traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys. Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
You could say the same about Queen Victoria.
I think Emilia does a decent enough job, personally. I also don't understand why people dislike Daenerys so much... as in specifically what … morehas she done to incite so much hate? I mean... I guess she's kind of ruthless in a sense, but that only applies to her enemies (who have all pretty much been complete scumbags up to this point). She's a little no nonsense in general, but I don't really see a problem with that.
I completely agree with you here and I just want to add that for a humorless guy he's actually one of the funniest in the books.
Some of my favorites:
"Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing."
"Without a son of Winterfell to stand beside me, I can only hope to win the north by battle. That requires stealing a leaf from my brother's book. Not that Robert ever read one."
Renly to Stannis - "You'll be pleased to know she came to me a maid." Stannis: "In your bed she's like to die that way."
And 2 from the funniest guy in the books, Dolorous Edd:
"Your boat’s not like to sink, I don’t think. Boats only sink when I’m aboard"
"We will defend the wall to the last man!" said Cotter Pyke. "Probably me." Said Dolorous Edd, in a resigned voice.
Like many people have alluded to before me, I don't hate Emilia Clarke's portrayal of Daenerys I just simply hate Daenerys in general. When … moreI first began reading the books I loved her character, she appeared to be a sort of pensive inquisitor that was deeply affected by the tragedies she endured and who was now on a quest to be the caring, just leader that Westoros needed.
But as the story progressed she grew an egotistical persona and gained some sort of false sense of entitlement much like her brother. She still believes that her father was a just man who was wrongly usurped from his throne and she even tells Barristan Selmy not to tell her the truth, she's purposely deludes herself. Everything she's earned has been given to her she doesn't fight, deal with strategy, come up with solutions, all her achievements can be attributed to either her council members or her army. I do respect her for liberating cities and attempting to end slaver… [view original content]
I hope your being sarcastic. Abandoning the slaves and taking the 13 ships would of been a horrible choice. Sympathy for the slaves and trying to improve life for the the majority of slaves that do not want to be slaves is what gives her character a higher level of intelligence.
She is actually trying to solve problems. Not start more shit over in westeros.
Word! If she really cared about the people she claims as the rightful subjects of her precious Iron Throne, she would have left for Westero… mores when Illyrio Mopatis sent her those ships. I hate reading her chapters. Maybe I'll get lucky and Tyrion will take over her POV's.
"Oh but he came to aid the wall from the Wildlings." In a dance of dragons he ends up letting The wildlings pass through the wall as aid to his army where they can possibly flee from Stannis and start more shit in Westeros. John Snow has the better idea wants to just blow the tunnels and fortify the top of the wall.
John even looks for a way to get rid of Stannis because quartering his soldiers is costing the Night's watch resources.
There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Stannis and his red queen are the actual villains based on how much they use shadow more than light.
Even Maester Aemon a man who forfeited his right and all cares of rule long ago sees Stannis as destruction.
Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
Could the same not be said for Dany?
Not exactly. (Spoilers!) For, example, Deanerys hadn't captured Yunkai, her people had. Jorah, … moreDaario and the Grey Worm infiltrated the city and fought their way through the slave soldiers guarding it. Stannis was onboard his fleet burned to ashes, he led the charge against the wildlings. Dany is the boss, Stannis is the commander.
Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
Like I said, Daenerys has the advantage of being the perfect queen, people offer her gifts and put swords at her feet, delighted and honored to see her. Stannis hasn't got many allies. His wife doesn't love him, his own army doesn't value him. He is unlucky, unwanted and despised, even by his own family.
I guess I'm not really sure what Stannis being a great commander has to do with not liking Daenerys...
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"Oh but he came to aid the wall from the Wildlings." In a dance of dragons he ends up letting The wildlings pass through the wall as aid to his army where they can possibly flee from Stannis and start more shit in Westeros. John Snow has the better idea wants to just blow the tunnels and fortify the top of the wall.
John even looks for a way to get rid of Stannis in a dance with dragons because quartering his soldiers is costing the Night's watch resources. Stannis also while at the wall tries to take what ever he can from the Night's watch to continue his attack on the throne which is pretty counterintuitive than coming to aid the Night's watch.
There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Stannis and his red queen are the actual villains based on how much they use shadow/darkness to do their bidding more than light.
Even Maester Aemon a knowledgeable old man man who forfeited his right and all cares of rule long ago sees Stannis as destruction.
Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
Like many people have alluded to before me, I don't hate Emilia Clarke's portrayal of Daenerys I just simply hate Daenerys in general. When … moreI first began reading the books I loved her character, she appeared to be a sort of pensive inquisitor that was deeply affected by the tragedies she endured and who was now on a quest to be the caring, just leader that Westoros needed.
But as the story progressed she grew an egotistical persona and gained some sort of false sense of entitlement much like her brother. She still believes that her father was a just man who was wrongly usurped from his throne and she even tells Barristan Selmy not to tell her the truth, she's purposely deludes herself. Everything she's earned has been given to her she doesn't fight, deal with strategy, come up with solutions, all her achievements can be attributed to either her council members or her army. I do respect her for liberating cities and attempting to end slaver… [view original content]
she looks like a spoiled teenager more than a ruler.
Well, in the books she is supposed to be 16 during the happenings of season 4. Considering that they aged up most of the younger characters by roughly 2 years she would still be a teenager.
that should look naturally majestic and give away a vibe of natural authority once established as queen
You think because some people call her queen she gets the majestic and elegant demeanour as a side effect? Nobody taught her how to rule and to act like a queen, so she just makes it up as she goes along. Maybe you're not even supposed to find her majestic? Maybe you're supposed to find her behaviour embarassing and immature? It's not set in concrete what we should think about her, neither is the reason why people follow her cause.
Remember Syrio Forel? The one guy with the frizzy afro hairdo? Well, he's supposed to have a bald and shiny head - but even GRRM himself said, that he doesn't care about differences like that. Pick on her acting skills, alright, but being bothered by her narrow jaw and face shape? C'mon....
Sorry if my lack of admiration for Clarke offends her fandom, but no, I don't even have insane standards. The girl you post in your pic for … moreexample is objectively stunning and while I find this imageboard thing of rating people completely stupid, if you'd ask me of course I'd give this one a 10/10. (When it comes to this I'm quite generous with the 10s, I'd make a terrible judge for beauty contests because I would give half the contestants max points)
But I admit I've been a bit provocative. So let me review my comment.
The fact that Clarke looks fake as a blonde is indisputable, and there's no deying it. And we can't blame the wig alone. Some non-blondes look credible with dyed hair or wigs, some don't. Clarke doesn't.
As for the looks, obviously this is partly a matter of subjectivity. But while I'm willing to take back the harshest words (vulgar was over the top), I think it can be accepted as fact that Emilia Clarke is more on th… [view original content]
She has disrupted the Entire of Planetos' trading routes and slave trade. She is not solving anything but her own emotional reactions. She has thrown all of Essos into upheaval with no thought at all for how her 'campaign' is effecting the rest of the world or her precious Westeros, and it is.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the abolishment of slavery, fictional or not. And i will give her props for being empathetic enough to see it as a problem that needs fixing. But the way she has gone about it is ridiculous.
You cannot leave a gaping hole like that in an economy that has survived solely on that one thing you just took away (for thousands of years). And then just move on down the road and hope the poor former slaves you left behind will clean up the mess you made and form a functioning, stable governing force. And then do the exact same thing in the next city.
My point being, that for someone who claims all of these stupid titles, and claims to Already be Queen of Westeros, the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, she sure as fuck doesn't think much about what they're going through, or the pains she is causing them with her 'crusade'. Think about the poor Wildling women and children who were just captured by slavers, because they are trying to kickstart the trade again just as they usually do. That is on Daenerys.
I hope your being sarcastic. Abandoning the slaves and taking the 13 ships would of been a horrible choice. Sympathy for the slaves and tryi… moreng to improve life for the the majority of slaves that do not want to be slaves is what gives her character a higher level of intelligence.
She is actually trying to solve problems. Not start more shit over in westeros.
Not exactly. (Spoilers!) For, example, Deanerys hadn't captured Yunkai, her people had. Jorah, Daario and the Grey Worm infiltrated the city and fought their way through the slave soldiers guarding it. Stannis was onboard his fleet burned to ashes, he led the charge against the wildlings. Dany is the boss, Stannis is the commander.
Dany isn't exactly fit for battle... she isn't some sort of warrior or fighter at all really. It's a little much to expect her to be running off into battle a la Stannis.
Anyway, your other points for liking Stannis more by comparison make sense to me. What I still don't understand is why you hate Danaerys. That's really all I've been looking for since I initially raised the question. It seems like more often than not the fans that do have a dislike for her character tend to have a problem with her personality, which is why I was drawing parallels to Stannis in the first place. If these people hate Dany's personality, but then really like Stannis at the same time, that just seems weird to me.
Could the same not be said for Dany?
Not exactly. (Spoilers!) For, example, Deanerys hadn't captured Yunkai, her people had. Jorah, … moreDaario and the Grey Worm infiltrated the city and fought their way through the slave soldiers guarding it. Stannis was onboard his fleet burned to ashes, he led the charge against the wildlings. Dany is the boss, Stannis is the commander.
Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
Like I said, Daenerys has the advantage of being the perfect queen, people offer her gifts and put swords at her feet, delighted and honored to see her. Stannis hasn't got many allies. His wife doesn't love him, his own army doesn't value him. He is unlucky, unwanted and despised, even by his own family.
I guess I'm not really sure what Stannis being a great commander has to do with not liking Daenerys...
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Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
No, read the books again. Stannis burns traitors (but he also pardons many of them), and often denies Mel for making sacrifices for R'hllor when she asks. "Pray harder" -Stannis.
Dany crucifies people she doesn't like = Hitlerina?
To be honest since we are talking about Hitler, Dany as a person/leader is much more like him than Stan is. She is often irrational, her opinions wave making it hard for Jorah & co. to help her, she even thinks of herself as god at one point. Yeah, I'm not saying she is like Hitler but actually closer than Stannis.
I still dont see why people like Stannis more.
"Oh but he came to aid the wall from the Wildlings." In a dance of dragons he ends up lett… moreing The wildlings pass through the wall as aid to his army where they can possibly flee from Stannis and start more shit in Westeros. John Snow has the better idea wants to just blow the tunnels and fortify the top of the wall.
John even looks for a way to get rid of Stannis in a dance with dragons because quartering his soldiers is costing the Night's watch resources. Stannis also while at the wall tries to take what ever he can from the Night's watch to continue his attack on the throne which is pretty counterintuitive than coming to aid the Night's watch.
There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Stannis and his red queen are the actual villains based on how much they use shadow/darkness to do their bidding more than light.
Even Maester Aemon a knowledgeable old man man who forfeited his right… [view original content]
Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
* No, read the … morebooks again. Stannis burns traitors (but he also pardons many of them), and often denies Mel for making sacrifices for R'hllor when she asks. "Pray harder" -Stannis.
* Dany crucifies people she doesn't like = Hitlerina?
To be honest since we are talking about Hitler, Dany as a person/leader is much more like him than Stan is. She is often irrational, her opinions wave making it hard for Jorah & co. to help her, she even thinks of herself as god at one point. Yeah, I'm not saying she is like Hitler but actually closer than Stannis.
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It adds the same thing as seeing someone die onscreen or someone swearing its doesnt add anything it makes it real, it doesnt hide anything and I'm glad it doesnt.
If it was a random 10 minute sex scene then fine but for the most part its little parts of scenes that would be that way anyway
Characters dying onscreen is for the sake of the story. Swearing is just a natural part of speech. The show actually goes out of it's own way to push for unnecessary nudity and random sex scenes. Just as a random example, all of the sex scenes in Littlefinger's brothel were 100% unnecessary and they added nothing to the story. This kind of thing is all over the show, and the only real reason is to add a sexual aspect for the audience.
When you consider the original work also had plenty of sex in it then its not really adding it just for that, and even if it was why does it matter? Everything is added for the audience.
Okay fine the Ros character was always a bit of a weird addition but she was gone by season 3, and I've always felt every scene had some purpose maybe the odd one less so but plenty of scenes in the show are often pointless.
I can't really speak to how the books incorporated it, but that doesn't justify the show doing it, especially to the extent that they do. The vast majority of it has been totally separate from the actual story itself.
What justification does that hold? It was added for the audience so therefore it can't be criticized..? I simply think it's unnecessary, and a very clear attempt to attract viewers. Like I said before, it doesn't actually add anything to the story.
It wasn't just Ros. What about the multiple scenes with Oberyn? How about Podrick? Bronn? These are just random examples off the top of my head. Essentially every sex scene in the show meant nothing more than these examples. There's a very obvious agenda being pushed here. I mean really, essentially every episode has incorporated sex and/or nudity in some fashion (alright, not every episode, but seriously like what... 90% of them?). It wasn't just incorporated for a sense of realism... it's incorporated to sexualize the show and draw in viewers. It's unnecessary and way over the top.
All those scenes had tons of characters interacting and development, its wasnt just people fucking. The pod scene in particular added pretty much his first ever real scene and some humour. None of those scenes were more pointless than any other scenes where characters just talk. For most of those scenes it was the environment they were
its only an agenda because people turn it into one, I think its such a big deal due to the way america censors everything over here its not really that much
''Daenarys sucks, Stannis gives me a hard-on'' - GoT fans the past year.
Of course there was interaction, but the constant sex and nudity is a total aside to that. It's not needed at all. Having characters interact doesn't justify the need for the constant sex and nudity.
... having characters talk and interact builds on their actual character and helps the audience to further connect with them, even if the scenes don't end up meaning a whole lot in the long run. The nudity and sex in the show is again, a total aside to that. It offers nothing other than to sexualize the show. That's seriously all it's for.
Like I said, this theme has been prevalent through every single season of the show, in essentially every single episode. You can't honestly tell me there isn't an agenda being pushed. There is a very obvious sexual aspect to the show, and it's totally separate from the story itself.
Then what can possibly constitute as "much"? We've been beaten over the head with it four seasons in a row now. It's found its way into like 90% of the total episodes. It would be one thing if we were talking about a little something every once in a blue moon, but the strong sexual themes are very much a part of what the show is, and it's completely separate from the actual story itself.
I really don't get it. Stannis is such a popular character, and yet Daenarys seems to be pretty widely hated. It doesn't make any sense to me, considering Stannis's personality carries many of the same sort of traits that seem to get held against Daenarys.
Yeah people are like "Dany is soooo dumb for banishing Jorah, Stannis is much better!" Even though Stannis was literally about to have Davos executed and is more or less just Melisandre's pawn.
I seriously don't see why people pick so much on her, she seems fine as she is.
While I can't speak for everyone I find that it has more to do with the sense of progression both in plot and character and less to do with their personalities, though that obviously has an impact. Stannis seems to have actual progression both in character and plot with events such as murdering his brother, assaulting Kings Landing and aiding the Nights Watch, real quantifiable efforts towards his goals that provide a sense of actual progression and have an impact on other characters stories.
Dany on the other hand is stuck over in Yunkai or wherever sitting on a throne listening to peasants whine and ignoring her advisors(that is one of my biggest problems with her). All she does is sit around "ruling." Her scenes/chapters are painfully slow, with little progress towards her original goals of taking the iron throne, this makes her character feel stale(at least to me), the books have character development through inner monologues but the show cannot portray that, which leaves her character seem lacking in development.
While Stannis is actually doing things that have impact on multiple main characters such as Cersei and Tyrion during the Kings Landing assault, Dany is secluded away from pretty much every other main character having virtually no impact on their lives.
I find her sections in the show/book feel more like filler content, as they are so detached from everything else going on, which makes her boring and I find it hard to like a boring character.
I can definitely understand all of that. I'm speaking more to how people are judging the two on an individual sort of level, as in their personality traits. There seems to be a large portion of fans who have some sort of hate for the actual character herself.
I'm one of those people who hate Dany and love Stannis, so I'll try to present the situation as I see it.
Stannis feels real, grey as the common man, not the king that people want to see sitting on the throne. Daenerys has bloodthirsty monsters and the ancient blood, with her people regarding her as their champion; Stannis does not have any of that. He is not as strong and perfect king material as Daenerys seems to be, he's not as self-sufficient and independent. He wants justice. Nothing can dissuade him from doing what he thinks is right, nothing fazes him. He fights his own battles and leads his own people. Deanerys plays her adorable dragon game in Essos, while Stanins fights against the danger coming from the North. Also, he's one of the best military commanders in Westeros (I'm not talking about the Blackwater, because no one could've predicted Tyrion's chain), just look at his great victiories in the past.
And, he is simply hillarious in his bitterness. I find his quotes the most powerful and memorable of the whole series.
"There is no creature more terrifying than a truly just man."
Hail Stannis.
Didnt you mean to say ''Stannis gives me a hard-on'' ?
More than Daenerys, that's for sure.
My hate for Daenerys as a character knows no boundaries. I have only antipathy for her cause, and I cringe to the thought her filthy bunch of Dothraki horse-f*ckers and Essos' slaves and lowest castes might ever soil the beautiful lands of Westeros with their dirty unwashed feet. But at least I love to hate her and read every single of their POVs, if only because her arc is closely intricate with the main plot.
As for Emilia Clarke, her "hotness" is way overrated and she looks so fake as a blonde. Not even talking about her plain-looking face, her body is too round, stocky and vulgar, completely lacking the aristocratic vibe and refined traits that should suit the heiress to the most noble House of all Westeros, the Targaryens. A young Michelle Pfeiffer for example would have been perfect as Daenerys.
Physically speaking, Emilia Clarke would have been fine in the role of a peasant girl or one of Littlefinger's whores, but she's totally miscast as the last Targaryen.
Like many people have alluded to before me, I don't hate Emilia Clarke's portrayal of Daenerys I just simply hate Daenerys in general. When I first began reading the books I loved her character, she appeared to be a sort of pensive inquisitor that was deeply affected by the tragedies she endured and who was now on a quest to be the caring, just leader that Westoros needed.
But as the story progressed she grew an egotistical persona and gained some sort of false sense of entitlement much like her brother. She still believes that her father was a just man who was wrongly usurped from his throne and she even tells Barristan Selmy not to tell her the truth, she's purposely deludes herself. Everything she's earned has been given to her she doesn't fight, deal with strategy, come up with solutions, all her achievements can be attributed to either her council members or her army. I do respect her for liberating cities and attempting to end slavery but she makes faulty political decisions much like Robb Stark and her arrogant attitude especially in the T.V show is too bothersome for me to accept.
Now yes I am a Stannis loyalist. The man literally does not give up no matter what because of his strong passion for duty. His character has progressed from simply a man who is seeking what is rightfully his to someone who truly cares for the well being of Westoros being the only king who attempts to do something about the others (which GRRM has repeatedly said are the real threat) and the only person to attempts liberating the north.
Some Stannis the Mannis quotes...
"Your brothers will not like it, no more than your father's lords, but I mean to allow the wildlings through the Wall... those who will swear me their fealty, pledge to keep the king's peace and the king's laws, and take the Lord of Light as their god. Even the giants, if those great knees of theirs can bend. I will settle them on the Gift, once I have wrested it away from your new Lord Commander. When the cold winds rise, we shall live or die together. It is time we made alliance against our common foe. ”
– Stannis, to Jon Snow
“I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.”
– Stannis, to Jon Snow
“We all know what my brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell … or die in the attempt. ”
– Stannis, to his bannermen
“I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?”
– Stannis, to Theon Greyjoy
Like I said before, I'm specifically talking about them in terms of their personality traits. The typical negatives against Daenery's personality are traits that Stannis has as well, if not also in a more extreme sort of way.
I'll quickly touch on some of the things you brought up here anyway though.
Could the same not be said for Dany?
She has been building an army and fighting for what she believes in (the freedom of slaves). Her story has been about way more than her dragons, by comparison at least. Stannis also kind of has the benefit of an already assembled army that is loyal/ bound to him. Dany has had to start basically from scratch.
Is that really something that can be held against Dany in comparison though? I don't think she has to be some sort of great commander (or a commander at all really) in order to be considered a good leader. I guess I'm not really sure what Stannis being a great commander has to do with not liking Daenerys...
In general it doesn't really seem very fair to compare the two in terms of their accomplishments + their current situations. Stannis is in fact more accomplished and is of course also a better commander.. but like I said above, what do these things have to do with not liking Dany?
You could say the same about Queen Victoria.
What???
I don't think her acting is that bad. Not as good as others on the show, but still pretty solid acting
I couch my rebuttal entirely in the last few moments of Season 5 Episode 2.
emilia does fine with the material she gets. i get the impression she is supposed to look like someone failing to look truly confident.
it is reminding me of littlefinger's actor playing a bad actor.
Not exactly. (Spoilers!) For, example, Deanerys hadn't captured Yunkai, her people had. Jorah, Daario and the Grey Worm infiltrated the city and fought their way through the slave soldiers guarding it. Stannis was onboard his fleet burned to ashes, he led the charge against the wildlings. Dany is the boss, Stannis is the commander.
Like I said, Daenerys has the advantage of being the perfect queen, people offer her gifts and put swords at her feet, delighted and honored to see her. Stannis hasn't got many allies. His wife doesn't love him, his own army doesn't value him. He is unlucky, unwanted and despised, even by his own family.
Personality traits make a character. Simple - I like Stannis because he can fight, I don't like Dany because she can't. I think it has to do with who is the better leader and (possibly) future king of Westeros.
I spoke in general, really couldn't finy any more of Daenerys' achievements or advantages than could be compared with Stannis. This was my personal confession of why I like Stannis more.
You keep saying it's separate from the story. Well, let me tell you something: everything on the screen is not supposed to be plot-driven, it's building the world of the show not the story of it. It's showing us the sexual standards of Westeros and the sexuality of the characters. Yeah, now and then they might go over the top with it, but that doesn't mean those scenes are meant to be just, well, random nudity.
Sorry if my lack of admiration for Clarke offends her fandom, but no, I don't even have insane standards. The girl you post in your pic for example is objectively stunning and while I find this imageboard thing of rating people completely stupid, if you'd ask me of course I'd give this one a 10/10. (When it comes to this I'm quite generous with the 10s, I'd make a terrible judge for beauty contests because I would give half the contestants max points)
But I admit I've been a bit provocative. So let me review my comment.
The fact that Clarke looks fake as a blonde is indisputable, and there's no deying it. And we can't blame the wig alone. Some non-blondes look credible with dyed hair or wigs, some don't. Clarke doesn't.
As for the looks, obviously this is partly a matter of subjectivity. But while I'm willing to take back the harshest words (vulgar was over the top), I think it can be accepted as fact that Emilia Clarke is more on the cute side than the hot side. Round face, narrow jaw, narrow shoulders, short legs, slightly chubby ass and hips : all of this is adorable and very desirable. However she gives a girl next door vibe (a girl next door I'd feel lucky to have in my bed, just sayin, in case you want to go on with the predictable memes and attempts to depict me as a 'sour grapes' nerd), not an aristocratic beauty vibe.
This is not a matter of height either, she just happens to have these paedomorphic features that make one look juvenile and teenagerish the whole life. With her physical type, she is the kind that people feel inclined to call "kiddo" more than "lady" even at age 30+ (let alone "your highness").
And that's why she strikes me as completely off in the role of Daenerys Targaryen, that should look naturally majestic and give away a vibe of natural authority once established as queen. When Clarke's Daenerys attempts to play it queenly or gives orders, she looks like a spoiled teenager more than a ruler. She doesn't look the part of the last heiress of the most powerful house of dragon tamers.
Are you talking about the photographs where she is old and overweight ? Apples and oranges.
People hated her in the books aswell.
The fuck is up?
I completely agree with you here and I just want to add that for a humorless guy he's actually one of the funniest in the books.
Some of my favorites:
"Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing."
"Without a son of Winterfell to stand beside me, I can only hope to win the north by battle. That requires stealing a leaf from my brother's book. Not that Robert ever read one."
Renly to Stannis - "You'll be pleased to know she came to me a maid." Stannis: "In your bed she's like to die that way."
And 2 from the funniest guy in the books, Dolorous Edd:
"Your boat’s not like to sink, I don’t think. Boats only sink when I’m aboard"
"We will defend the wall to the last man!" said Cotter Pyke. "Probably me." Said Dolorous Edd, in a resigned voice.
I hope your being sarcastic. Abandoning the slaves and taking the 13 ships would of been a horrible choice. Sympathy for the slaves and trying to improve life for the the majority of slaves that do not want to be slaves is what gives her character a higher level of intelligence.
She is actually trying to solve problems. Not start more shit over in westeros.
The character sucks and so does the actress.
I still dont see why people like Stannis more.
"Oh but he came to aid the wall from the Wildlings." In a dance of dragons he ends up letting The wildlings pass through the wall as aid to his army where they can possibly flee from Stannis and start more shit in Westeros. John Snow has the better idea wants to just blow the tunnels and fortify the top of the wall.
John even looks for a way to get rid of Stannis because quartering his soldiers is costing the Night's watch resources.
There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Stannis and his red queen are the actual villains based on how much they use shadow more than light.
Even Maester Aemon a man who forfeited his right and all cares of rule long ago sees Stannis as destruction.
Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
I still dont see why people like Stannis more.
"Oh but he came to aid the wall from the Wildlings." In a dance of dragons he ends up letting The wildlings pass through the wall as aid to his army where they can possibly flee from Stannis and start more shit in Westeros. John Snow has the better idea wants to just blow the tunnels and fortify the top of the wall.
John even looks for a way to get rid of Stannis in a dance with dragons because quartering his soldiers is costing the Night's watch resources. Stannis also while at the wall tries to take what ever he can from the Night's watch to continue his attack on the throne which is pretty counterintuitive than coming to aid the Night's watch.
There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Stannis and his red queen are the actual villains based on how much they use shadow/darkness to do their bidding more than light.
Even Maester Aemon a knowledgeable old man man who forfeited his right and all cares of rule long ago sees Stannis as destruction.
Stannis is burning everyone that follows the old gods and any other religion. He is pretty much the Hitler of GOT.
Well, in the books she is supposed to be 16 during the happenings of season 4. Considering that they aged up most of the younger characters by roughly 2 years she would still be a teenager.
You think because some people call her queen she gets the majestic and elegant demeanour as a side effect? Nobody taught her how to rule and to act like a queen, so she just makes it up as she goes along. Maybe you're not even supposed to find her majestic? Maybe you're supposed to find her behaviour embarassing and immature? It's not set in concrete what we should think about her, neither is the reason why people follow her cause.
Remember Syrio Forel? The one guy with the frizzy afro hairdo? Well, he's supposed to have a bald and shiny head - but even GRRM himself said, that he doesn't care about differences like that. Pick on her acting skills, alright, but being bothered by her narrow jaw and face shape? C'mon....
A higher level of intelligence!?! Lol.
She has disrupted the Entire of Planetos' trading routes and slave trade. She is not solving anything but her own emotional reactions. She has thrown all of Essos into upheaval with no thought at all for how her 'campaign' is effecting the rest of the world or her precious Westeros, and it is.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the abolishment of slavery, fictional or not. And i will give her props for being empathetic enough to see it as a problem that needs fixing. But the way she has gone about it is ridiculous.
You cannot leave a gaping hole like that in an economy that has survived solely on that one thing you just took away (for thousands of years). And then just move on down the road and hope the poor former slaves you left behind will clean up the mess you made and form a functioning, stable governing force. And then do the exact same thing in the next city.
My point being, that for someone who claims all of these stupid titles, and claims to Already be Queen of Westeros, the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, she sure as fuck doesn't think much about what they're going through, or the pains she is causing them with her 'crusade'. Think about the poor Wildling women and children who were just captured by slavers, because they are trying to kickstart the trade again just as they usually do. That is on Daenerys.
Dany isn't exactly fit for battle... she isn't some sort of warrior or fighter at all really. It's a little much to expect her to be running off into battle a la Stannis.
Anyway, your other points for liking Stannis more by comparison make sense to me. What I still don't understand is why you hate Danaerys. That's really all I've been looking for since I initially raised the question. It seems like more often than not the fans that do have a dislike for her character tend to have a problem with her personality, which is why I was drawing parallels to Stannis in the first place. If these people hate Dany's personality, but then really like Stannis at the same time, that just seems weird to me.
No, read the books again. Stannis burns traitors (but he also pardons many of them), and often denies Mel for making sacrifices for R'hllor when she asks. "Pray harder" -Stannis.
Dany crucifies people she doesn't like = Hitlerina?
To be honest since we are talking about Hitler, Dany as a person/leader is much more like him than Stan is. She is often irrational, her opinions wave making it hard for Jorah & co. to help her, she even thinks of herself as god at one point. Yeah, I'm not saying she is like Hitler but actually closer than Stannis.
Daily reminder that Stannis had to be dragged back by his soldier like a child when he lost the battle of blackwater.
Well with comments like that you can't bash us Stan fanboys for being childish.