Arvo and Ben are pretty much the same people, both were plot devices used to take Kenny's abuse. Why would i hate a gun if it shot someone i cared about? I wouldn't. The gun is just doing what it was made to do.
Like I said, all of that (including Kenny grabbing him and him not seeing his sister become a walker) could have been avoided if the Russian… mores hadn't tried to rob them in the first place. That's the whole point of my comment; Arvo and his crew put themselves into that situation.
I don't judge characters by age though. It's like what Chuck the hobo said before. It's about being alive. Michelle or whoever that girl was knew what she was doing when trying to rob Clementine. Had she not take the gun, she wouldn't have shot Omid.
This is TWDG. He didn't see his sis as a walker and how many other characters have refused to listen when others are pointed out as being walkers? Anyone hating Arvo for these reasons is being hypocritical, not putting themselves in his shoes
Sadly I do have to agree about not really feeling anything when Clementine was shot, while your example is probably because you never liked her mine's because I could see it coming from a mile away, from the moment the game gets you to shoot Natasha, it's quite obviously leading you onto a set up, especially with the constant dirty looks from Arvo. As well I wasn't afraid she'd die as that 6 second Vine Telltale showed was a scene that had not yet happened.
I really don't think telling us Arvo shot a 11 year old just to get 30 seconds extra time is defending him.
Besides no I would not shoot someone for killing someone that is already dead. Arvo knew just as much as everyone that his sister was dead and he wanted to take the blame over to Clementine because blaming himself for her death would be too hard. He is actually kind of similar to Kenny in that area. Both put their anger of the death of their loved ones out on people that didn't really do anything wrong.
I've always defended Arvo when it comes to shooting Clementine. I've always felt that most of us, if we were in his shoes, would've taken th… moree open shot if we had one. Yes, Clementine was a kid, but Arvo was still sour about his sister---whom Clementine shot. And Clementine can call for Kenny and Jane---Kenny being the guy Arvo's trying to get away from...so either way it's understandable why Arvo shoots Clementine.
Another possibility is Arvo did it to cause a distraction. Kenny and Jane would be too busy attending to Clementine to attempt chasing after the them.
I really don't think telling us Arvo shot a 11 year old just to get 30 seconds extra time is defending him.
Besides no I would not shoot … moresomeone for killing someone that is already dead. Arvo knew just as much as everyone that his sister was dead and he wanted to take the blame over to Clementine because blaming himself for her death would be too hard. He is actually kind of similar to Kenny in that area. Both put their anger of the death of their loved ones out on people that didn't really do anything wrong.
Sadly I do have to agree about not really feeling anything when Clementine was shot, while your example is probably because you never liked … moreher mine's because I could see it coming from a mile away, from the moment the game gets you to shoot Natasha, it's quite obviously leading you onto a set up, especially with the constant dirty looks from Arvo. As well I wasn't afraid she'd die as that 6 second Vine Telltale showed was a scene that had not yet happened.
What I really hate about Arvo is that no matter how you treat him his opinion of you is always the same - there are no real consequences as to how you treat him or if you stole the medicines - nothing matters - he hates you in the end and tries to kill you.
I am so burnt up about him getting away - I desperately hope that he returns in Season 3 - where I will destroy everything he holds dear and then kill him in the end - making sure he suffers.... a lot.
I'm pretty sure he already believes you destroyed everything he holds dear to himself, why do you think he shot Clem? Being nice to Arvo isn't going to make him think you didn't murder his sister in cold blood.
What I really hate about Arvo is that no matter how you treat him his opinion of you is always the same - there are no real consequences as … moreto how you treat him or if you stole the medicines - nothing matters - he hates you in the end and tries to kill you.
I am so burnt up about him getting away - I desperately hope that he returns in Season 3 - where I will destroy everything he holds dear and then kill him in the end - making sure he suffers.... a lot.
You forgive Arvo but not Kenny? weirdo. Lets take a look at Arvo. HIS group jumped yours with guns. HE and his group were responsible for his sisters death. THEY chose to use violence. Arvo is hooked on drugs, Arvo shot Clementine. Arvo is a piece of shit. What you have is a violent individual that used violence, and then when someone he loved got killed didn't like it very much. The only time he doesn't like violence is when it's happening to him. He doesn't mind it when he, and his group are doing it.
You forgive Arvo but not Kenny? weirdo. Lets take a look at Arvo. HIS group jumped yours with guns. HE and his group were responsible fo… morer his sisters death. THEY chose to use violence. Arvo is hooked on drugs, Arvo shot Clementine. Arvo is a piece of shit. What you have is a violent individual that used violence, and then when someone he loved got killed didn't like it very much. The only time he doesn't like violence is when it's happening to him. He doesn't mind it when he, and his group are doing it.
Well yeah. If he was a big lovable teddy bear there wouldn't have been any conflict with Luke, or Jane. Although I think he was pretty heavy handed in a lot of ways, he still looked out for Clementine, and AJ. He was a person who had lost his entire family, and just recently his girlfriend. If you would still be a really lovable, and polite person after all of that I'd say you probably were a little insane.
I think they just made him into a generic time bomb. Kenny was at least interesting and had character in Season 1. I still liked him more than Jane (worst character in the series along with Bonnie) but yeah
Well yeah. If he was a big lovable teddy bear there wouldn't have been any conflict with Luke, or Jane. Although I think he was pretty hea… morevy handed in a lot of ways, he still looked out for Clementine, and AJ. He was a person who had lost his entire family, and just recently his girlfriend. If you would still be a really lovable, and polite person after all of that I'd say you probably were a little insane.
I can't forgive Arvo because he was given time....now I know you just mentioned the whole thing about the time and still being in grief but just stay with me for a sec.
Kenny, the supposedly angriest most impulsive least rational hugest instinctual idiot on the planet, what does he do when ben tells him he caused his family's death. He tries to attack him? Sure. Encourages you to let him die. Yes I'll give you that. But that was mere 5 minutes after. And no more than a bit of time later does kenny find it in himself to forgive Ben.
Now when you're given a day or upwards. And you perform much much worse than the fury man of illogicalness. All while in the middle of a sneaky abandoning plan. In that case the room for excuse becomes much smaller. I might forgive Arvo if the next time I meet him he's created some kind of super ultra post-apocalypse wifi-featured waterfall including anti-walker utopia. Or if he gathered the 7 dragon balls and revived Lee. Or if he did good stuff or whatever. I'd just rather not forgive him just for the sake of forgiving him.
Even if you don't steal, Arvo still comes for you with his group. Which leads me to believe that hiding those meds wasn't a group decision, and that he ends up hiding the meds somewhere else and says "these people stole our meds!" or "I saw people run off with them!"
Another thing to consider about Arvo, and his group. Now this is just pure speculation, but a possible one. If you do everything right with Arvo. Let him take the drugs, and everything. They still jump you (another Telltale fake choices). However one possible explanation is that he went back, and told the group about Clementine, and Jane. You could imagine that during anarchy a young girl, and attractive woman could be used for barter. As bad as that sounds that kind of thing would probably happen. A sick guy with lots of supplies is probably willing to trade some of them for female companionship.
From his point of view, Clem(I think it was her, can't remember) killed his sister. He was trying to get her to wake up, obviously believing she could still be alive. Then he sees her get up, and Clem kills her. If only someone said to him "she was a walker", would've been a lot easier.
Honestly fuck Arvo. I understand people act irrationally and make stupid mistakes in the heat of the moment..but he was an ass. He pretended to be nice to Clem and seem grateful for her kindness..but then lies about our group stealing the supplies...and then the motherfucker has the nerve to shoot Clem? Fuck him! Its kill or be killed in the zombie apocalypse, and he just happened to be on the losing side. I felt a little bad for him losing his sister, but I'd rather she be dead than one of Clem's group in the shootout. If he didn't want her killed he shouldn't have risked their lives in the first place by lying about the medicine.
But come on , his group is dead. And Clem embarrasses him by mugging him. Plus, Clem and Lee are like 50 cent, they eat bullets, its vitamin b to them.
He is sure as hell not a kid. He is a teen more reckless than Ben. Even IF you didn't take the meds, Arvo will still try to rob you. His sis… moreter turned into a damn zombie, why not shoot her? If he didn't come in and start up shit, his sister would be alive. It's his fault. He shot Clementine because he was going to steal the truck with Mike and Bonnie. From the two glares he gave to Clementine, it was obvious he wanted retribution. I will never forgive that guy.
Sure. It just bugs me to see people go like "I want to kill him!" Because that goes against Clementine's character for me at least.
I shu… moredder at the thought of 11 year old Clem heartlessly murdering someone like Arvo, when before she would be friends with and protect them in the past (Ben).
Sure. It just bugs me to see people go like "I want to kill him!" Because that goes against Clementine's character for me at least.
I shu… moredder at the thought of 11 year old Clem heartlessly murdering someone like Arvo, when before she would be friends with and protect them in the past (Ben).
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Arvo and Ben are pretty much the same people, both were plot devices used to take Kenny's abuse. Why would i hate a gun if it shot someone i cared about? I wouldn't. The gun is just doing what it was made to do.
We don't know what might've led them to the ambush though, Arvo could've been forced
I don't judge characters by age though. It's like what Chuck the hobo said before. It's about being alive. Michelle or whoever that girl was knew what she was doing when trying to rob Clementine. Had she not take the gun, she wouldn't have shot Omid.
I dont really hate Arvo he didnt do anything to make me dislike him, honestly i sound terrible for this but i couldnt give two shits when he shot clem
Screw Arvo I wish Telltale would put Daenery's Dragon and make Arvo burn.
Well maybe he should be blaming the people who forced him then.
If he thinks someone murdered his loved one, he isn't gonna think very rationally
Well you're right about that. But still, it's hard to forgive him
Its only hard because we're in the shoes of Clementine, someone we're supposed to be attached to
Sadly I do have to agree about not really feeling anything when Clementine was shot, while your example is probably because you never liked her mine's because I could see it coming from a mile away, from the moment the game gets you to shoot Natasha, it's quite obviously leading you onto a set up, especially with the constant dirty looks from Arvo. As well I wasn't afraid she'd die as that 6 second Vine Telltale showed was a scene that had not yet happened.
Yes, oh boy. A discussion on a forum? RIDICLOUS
I really don't think telling us Arvo shot a 11 year old just to get 30 seconds extra time is defending him.
Besides no I would not shoot someone for killing someone that is already dead. Arvo knew just as much as everyone that his sister was dead and he wanted to take the blame over to Clementine because blaming himself for her death would be too hard. He is actually kind of similar to Kenny in that area. Both put their anger of the death of their loved ones out on people that didn't really do anything wrong.
these arguments have been made over and over again I was trying to keep my post short and directed to subject in question
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I'm to the point where i lost interest in her.
What I really hate about Arvo is that no matter how you treat him his opinion of you is always the same - there are no real consequences as to how you treat him or if you stole the medicines - nothing matters - he hates you in the end and tries to kill you.
I am so burnt up about him getting away - I desperately hope that he returns in Season 3 - where I will destroy everything he holds dear and then kill him in the end - making sure he suffers.... a lot.
I'm pretty sure he already believes you destroyed everything he holds dear to himself, why do you think he shot Clem? Being nice to Arvo isn't going to make him think you didn't murder his sister in cold blood.
Oh wow, me expressing an opinion? RIDICULOUS
Telling someone to kill themselves is also an opinion. Doesn't make it right.
Did I say it did? No I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth. Let's just leave it that.
Did i say you said it? Please tell me.
You forgive Arvo but not Kenny? weirdo. Lets take a look at Arvo. HIS group jumped yours with guns. HE and his group were responsible for his sisters death. THEY chose to use violence. Arvo is hooked on drugs, Arvo shot Clementine. Arvo is a piece of shit. What you have is a violent individual that used violence, and then when someone he loved got killed didn't like it very much. The only time he doesn't like violence is when it's happening to him. He doesn't mind it when he, and his group are doing it.
I didn't like what they did with him in Season 2. He was pretty lousy written and was very unlikable
Well yeah. If he was a big lovable teddy bear there wouldn't have been any conflict with Luke, or Jane. Although I think he was pretty heavy handed in a lot of ways, he still looked out for Clementine, and AJ. He was a person who had lost his entire family, and just recently his girlfriend. If you would still be a really lovable, and polite person after all of that I'd say you probably were a little insane.
I think they just made him into a generic time bomb. Kenny was at least interesting and had character in Season 1. I still liked him more than Jane (worst character in the series along with Bonnie) but yeah
I can't forgive Arvo because he was given time....now I know you just mentioned the whole thing about the time and still being in grief but just stay with me for a sec.
Kenny, the supposedly angriest most impulsive least rational hugest instinctual idiot on the planet, what does he do when ben tells him he caused his family's death. He tries to attack him? Sure. Encourages you to let him die. Yes I'll give you that. But that was mere 5 minutes after. And no more than a bit of time later does kenny find it in himself to forgive Ben.
Now when you're given a day or upwards. And you perform much much worse than the fury man of illogicalness. All while in the middle of a sneaky abandoning plan. In that case the room for excuse becomes much smaller. I might forgive Arvo if the next time I meet him he's created some kind of super ultra post-apocalypse wifi-featured waterfall including anti-walker utopia. Or if he gathered the 7 dragon balls and revived Lee. Or if he did good stuff or whatever. I'd just rather not forgive him just for the sake of forgiving him.
Bonnie got Luke killed...
Even if you don't steal, Arvo still comes for you with his group. Which leads me to believe that hiding those meds wasn't a group decision, and that he ends up hiding the meds somewhere else and says "these people stole our meds!" or "I saw people run off with them!"
Another thing to consider about Arvo, and his group. Now this is just pure speculation, but a possible one. If you do everything right with Arvo. Let him take the drugs, and everything. They still jump you (another Telltale fake choices). However one possible explanation is that he went back, and told the group about Clementine, and Jane. You could imagine that during anarchy a young girl, and attractive woman could be used for barter. As bad as that sounds that kind of thing would probably happen. A sick guy with lots of supplies is probably willing to trade some of them for female companionship.
From his point of view, Clem(I think it was her, can't remember) killed his sister. He was trying to get her to wake up, obviously believing she could still be alive. Then he sees her get up, and Clem kills her. If only someone said to him "she was a walker", would've been a lot easier.
Honestly fuck Arvo. I understand people act irrationally and make stupid mistakes in the heat of the moment..but he was an ass. He pretended to be nice to Clem and seem grateful for her kindness..but then lies about our group stealing the supplies...and then the motherfucker has the nerve to shoot Clem? Fuck him! Its kill or be killed in the zombie apocalypse, and he just happened to be on the losing side. I felt a little bad for him losing his sister, but I'd rather she be dead than one of Clem's group in the shootout. If he didn't want her killed he shouldn't have risked their lives in the first place by lying about the medicine.
But come on , his group is dead. And Clem embarrasses him by mugging him. Plus, Clem and Lee are like 50 cent, they eat bullets, its vitamin b to them.
Ben is a helpless piece of s%$%. but I think that Clem character isn't ready for murder, yet.
exept Arvo and Michelle are the crooks that rob people.
You all seem to forget you can kill kenny in cold blood at the end..( i mean the 1 where jane was already dead)
Arvo wasn't a character. He was just a plot device and nothing else.
...that "death glared" you every 5 minutes...
if season 3 includes a scene either clementine to shot arvo or not. i will shot him and replay until my anger to him dissasipated.
Really hoping Arvo and Bonnie make a special cameo in the DLC or season 3 so I can shoot them both in the face.
Fuck arvo, gonna give him the gryff treatment when we see him in season 3
I feel you