Seeing this gif time and time again made me realize something:
I actually really like the way that shot is framed; the angle and composition and all that. It just feels cold and detached, which is a perfect fit for that scene
Season 1 Kenny by a mile. I only started disliking him when he refused to save clementine because he didn't like Lee. So for most of season 1 I thought he was alright.
An asshole. Did you forgot S1 E4!
"You've always been there for me Lee, always had my back when it mattered. What kind of friend would I be if I wasn't there for you now? You and Clementine are the only family I got left, I'm with you to the end."
It's also interesting (and pretty disappointing...) that this is really the only ending that seems to portray Clem as even slightly disliking Kenny. She actually looks super pissed off at Kenny right before she shoots him.
Seeing this gif time and time again made me realize something:
I actually really like the way that shot is framed; the angle and composition and all that. It just feels cold and detached, which is a perfect fit for that scene
In most endings she seems to have much more emotional attachment to a man she's talked with for 2 days than a woman who protected her for 16 months. Pretty lame writing.
It's also interesting (and pretty disappointing...) that this is really the only ending that seems to portray Clem as even slightly disliking Kenny. She actually looks super pissed off at Kenny right before she shoots him.
I started quickly dissolving my strongly positive impressions of him when he slaughtered an unconscious father in front of his daughter and then hid in a stable waiting for Lee to die. And of course this happens not once, not twice, but three times through the course of episode two and three. But I just kept myself away from him and found myself detaching from him as a friend. But whatever, right?
Then, we have A Long Road Ahead. The episode in which he called Clementine a "sham" to me because I was trying to get him to stop the train. That did it for me, after that I didn't give a fuck about his suffering and I did beat the shit out of him for that reason alone. Everything after that was one misstep after another, shoving my opinion of him further and further downwards... And season 2, good God.
Season 1 Kenny by a mile. I only started disliking him when he refused to save clementine because he didn't like Lee. So for most of season 1 I thought he was alright.
I started quickly dissolving my strongly positive impressions of him when he slaughtered an unconscious father in front of his daughter and … morethen hid in a stable waiting for Lee to die. And of course this happens not once, not twice, but three times through the course of episode two and three. But I just kept myself away from him and found myself detaching from him as a friend. But whatever, right?
Then, we have A Long Road Ahead. The episode in which he called Clementine a "sham" to me because I was trying to get him to stop the train. That did it for me, after that I didn't give a fuck about his suffering and I did beat the shit out of him for that reason alone. Everything after that was one misstep after another, shoving my opinion of him further and further downwards... And season 2, good God.
What a shithead Kenny is, I can't stand him.
I would've been able to show forgiveness if not for the actions subsequent to the incident. He apologizes to Lilly once, and that was most likely out of sheer shock of his own deed. He then immediately turns on Lee and is angrily defensive over everyone's rightful distaste of his action. He hides in a stall while a cannibal has Lee held up and is most definitely ready to kill him, at that moment I realized Kenny couldn't have cared all too much for his family's safety if he's willing to let more people die on his watch making it harder for him to achieve the very thing he so strongly advocates for, rescuing his family.
Of course, we haven't even gotten to him sneering at Lilly's sorrowful rebuttal when Kenny happily exclaims that there's free supplies. And the constant bullying and head-butting he did with her really showed he has no respect for anyone other than his family. He's selfish.
And he later on still refuses to aid Lee in the drug store not once but twice when Lee is attacked.
And I agree with the refusal to save Clementine, mainly because he had no motive other than petty indifference. It wasn't like his leg was injured like another individual or was pregnant. No, he just didn't feel like helping a girl who had done nothing to harm him... doubl- neigh, triple fuck him for that.
I disapproved of his actions in the meat locker but i forgave him because i could kind of symathise with the fact he was stressed out and st… moreuff.
I disliked him a little when he was bullying Lilly after killing her father though.
When he refused to save Clem, he had no excuses. Complete dickhead.
WHY WAS THE FORUM NEVER LIKE THIS A YEAR AGO?? I felt like I was the only one arguing against Kenny then haha, this talk against him with likes and being unchallenged is so refreshing.
I would've been able to show forgiveness if not for the actions subsequent to the incident. He apologizes to Lilly once, and that was most l… moreikely out of sheer shock of his own deed. He then immediately turns on Lee and is angrily defensive over everyone's rightful distaste of his action. He hides in a stall while a cannibal has Lee held up and is most definitely ready to kill him, at that moment I realized Kenny couldn't have cared all too much for his family's safety if he's willing to let more people die on his watch making it harder for him to achieve the very thing he so strongly advocates for, rescuing his family.
Of course, we haven't even gotten to him sneering at Lilly's sorrowful rebuttal when Kenny happily exclaims that there's free supplies. And the constant bullying and head-butting he did with her really showed he has no respect for anyone other than his family. He's selfish.
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You probably were, when I first joined I kept a strong lid on my opinions of him. I felt like with all the ravenous Kenny fans, that was one area I felt wasn't worth talking about... then over time I just couldn't hold it in anymore... it probably had something to do with his anger toward Clementine in Amid the Ruins and there being more people hoping on the side of people like you. His colors were shown to a lot of people then and it made me feel like standing up against his shit once and for all.
So yeah, you probably were greatly outmatched at the time but now old washed up stink lines McGillacuddy is determinate, so a lot of anti-Kenny members feel a lifted weight, In a sense.
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WHY WAS THE FORUM NEVER LIKE THIS A YEAR AGO?? I felt like I was the only one arguing against Kenny then haha, this talk against him with likes and being unchallenged is so refreshing.
Completely agree, if that wasn't obvious.
You probably were, when I first joined I kept a strong lid on my opinions of him. I felt like with all the ravenous Kenny fans, that was one… more area I felt wasn't worth talking about... then over time I just couldn't hold it in anymore... it probably had something to do with his anger toward Clementine in Amid the Ruins and there being more people hoping on the side of people like you. His colors were shown to a lot of people then and it made me feel like standing up against his shit once and for all.
So yeah, you probably were greatly outmatched at the time but now old washed up stink lines McGillacuddy is determinate, so a lot of anti-Kenny members feel a lifted weight, In a sense.
It astonishes me how people can condemn other users over something so petty. I may hate Kenny, but the fans of his I dislike are the ones you've mentioned... the ones that spew their hateful bullshit and don't like any other opinion other than their own. If someone likes Kenny, I simply ask why.
Hell, I love Clementine (even after No Going Back) but I don't hate anyone for saying she sucks as a character. An opinion is an opinion, and although I feel securely more right than others', I would never threaten violence because someone told me Clem sucks. That's preposterous.
Yep! But now of course they're preparing to get angry when he isn't in every episode of season 3.
You were smart not to get involved. Defending people who don't like Kenny got me actual death threats.
you either love him or hate him. Im a fan and it sucks to see people hating on him but its their opinion.
Anything season 1 related is my favourite. Some of Kennys lines from S1 had me howling, Gavin Hammon is god in that respect. Season 2 just didnt have the same impact at all
Christa was very very cold to Clementine, I wouldn't blame her if she didn't have any sense of emotional attachment to her (I know I didn't want my Clem to, I thought Christa was a bitch).
Kenny was with you in Season 1, was the closest person to you (through a forced plot) in Season 2. It can make sense why she still has emotional attachment to him.
So yeah, other than the forced Kenny/Clem relationship I wouldn't say its lame writing.
Yeah.
In most endings she seems to have much more emotional attachment to a man she's talked with for 2 days than a woman who protected her for 16 months. Pretty lame writing.
Does no one remember that Christa made a promise to Lee that she'd look after Clem for better or worse? Well, I think Omid and her baby dying was definitely for worse, and she still took good care of her. Clementine looked healthy and nourished even after the sixteen month time skip, more so than a worn down and almost sickly looking Christa.
She did care for Clementine, even she was somewhat crass toward Clementine's comments regarding Omid. Big whoop. What I find weird is that Kenny is somehow justified in screaming a string of hateful obscenities at Clementine, but God forbid Christa tells Clementine anything even slightly resembling any negative tone.
She loved Clementine very dearly and unlike the one-eyed redneck, proves her love through actions, not words.
Christa was very very cold to Clementine, I wouldn't blame her if she didn't have any sense of emotional attachment to her (I know I didn't … morewant my Clem to, I thought Christa was a bitch).
Kenny was with you in Season 1, was the closest person to you (through a forced plot) in Season 2. It can make sense why she still has emotional attachment to him.
So yeah, other than the forced Kenny/Clem relationship I wouldn't say its lame writing.
I'm gonna go babysit a child and then feed them and keep them warm, but at the same time speak harshly at them and probably make them feel like shit. That should make me a good caretaker!
She loved Clementine very dearly
Sure she did, if that makes you feel better.
unlike the one-eyed redneck
Resorting to insults about appearance instead of any good ones that define his actual character. You should be a lawyer!
Does no one remember that Christa made a promise to Lee that she'd look after Clem for better or worse? Well, I think Omid and her baby dyin… moreg was definitely for worse, and she still took good care of her. Clementine looked healthy and nourished even after the sixteen month time skip, more so than a worn down and almost sickly looking Christa.
She did care for Clementine, even she was somewhat crass toward Clementine's comments regarding Omid. Big whoop. What I find weird is that Kenny is somehow justified in screaming a string of hateful obscenities at Clementine, but God forbid Christa tells Clementine anything even slightly resembling any negative tone.
She loved Clementine very dearly and unlike the one-eyed redneck, proves her love through actions, not words.
I'm gonna go babysit a child and then feed them and keep them warm, but at the same time speak harshly at them and probably make them feel like shit. That should make me a good caretaker!
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared very dearly about because it brings up painful memories? Well then, good to know that screaming at a girl that she's a "stupid fucking kid" and that "this is all on your head" is better than "I know what Omid said..."
Sure she did, if that makes you feel better.
Absolutely does. Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
Resorting to insults about appearance instead of any good ones that define his actual character. You should be a lawyer!
Ok, how's this? Kenny is a violently unstable menace that would rather continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl. Yes, truly a great caretaker.
I'm gonna go babysit a child and then feed them and keep them warm, but at the same time speak harshly at them and probably make them feel l… moreike shit. That should make me a good caretaker!
She loved Clementine very dearly
Sure she did, if that makes you feel better.
unlike the one-eyed redneck
Resorting to insults about appearance instead of any good ones that define his actual character. You should be a lawyer!
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared v… moreery dearly about because it brings up painful memories?
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
What facts? All you've stated is your opinion and take on the situation, same as me. I see no facts here.
continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl
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I would've been able to show forgiveness if not for the actions subsequent to the incident. He apologizes to Lilly once, and that was most l… moreikely out of sheer shock of his own deed. He then immediately turns on Lee and is angrily defensive over everyone's rightful distaste of his action. He hides in a stall while a cannibal has Lee held up and is most definitely ready to kill him, at that moment I realized Kenny couldn't have cared all too much for his family's safety if he's willing to let more people die on his watch making it harder for him to achieve the very thing he so strongly advocates for, rescuing his family.
Of course, we haven't even gotten to him sneering at Lilly's sorrowful rebuttal when Kenny happily exclaims that there's free supplies. And the constant bullying and head-butting he did with her really showed he has no respect for anyone other than his family. He's selfish.
And he later on still refuses to aid Lee in the … [view original content]
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared very dearly about because it brings up painful memories?
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
What facts? All you've stated is your opinion and take on the situation, same as me. I see no facts here.
continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl
What else could he have done to help her, Bonnie (determinant) and Jane were doing all they could to make her warmer. I'm not saying that completely justifies his treatment of Arvo but that's a poor example. "Menace" again, is a matter of opinion.
I know that the Kenny hate on this forum will outweigh the Kenny love at this point, but whatever. I feel no want to keep arguing about a dead topic, so if you wanna continue, go ahead. I'll respond, but I've stated my opinion, as have you. We can respect it and move on, or we can keep beating a dead horse.
I'm gonna go babysit a child and then feed them and keep them warm, but at the same time speak harshly at them and probably make them feel l… moreike shit. That should make me a good caretaker!
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared very dearly about because it brings up painful memories? Well then, good to know that screaming at a girl that she's a "stupid fucking kid" and that "this is all on your head" is better than "I know what Omid said..."
Sure she did, if that makes you feel better.
Absolutely does. Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
Resorting to insults about appearance instead of any good ones that define his actual character. You should be a lawyer!
Ok, how's this? Kenny is a violently unstable menace that would rather continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl. Yes, truly a great caretaker.
For someone to still have something, they must have it in the first place.
Kenny and Clementine don't even exchange words in season 1. And in the majority of playthroughs he initially refuses to save her purely because he doesn't like Lee, and is only convinced if Lee says she's her family, while all he should base it on is the fact that she's a little girl and she needs to be saved.
Any strong emotional connection makes 0 sense, let alone a forced one.
Christa was very very cold to Clementine, I wouldn't blame her if she didn't have any sense of emotional attachment to her (I know I didn't … morewant my Clem to, I thought Christa was a bitch).
Kenny was with you in Season 1, was the closest person to you (through a forced plot) in Season 2. It can make sense why she still has emotional attachment to him.
So yeah, other than the forced Kenny/Clem relationship I wouldn't say its lame writing.
I accidentally upvoted your comment instead of pushing reply, my apologies.
Up, 'if you're not part of the solutiaton, you're part of the problem' is specifically referring to neutral parties, and how just not getting involved can do more harm than good, so yeah, that's the point.
...or maybe im just being neutral because i dissagree with both sides
unless someones life is one the line, im not gonna get involved if i dissagree with both sides
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
So because you think something conspired, it's canon? I don't deny Christa was angry at Clementine directly after Omid's death. But what we see in the sixteen month time skip is a healthy young girl who is very much intact and looks quite nourished. No lacerations, bruises, any broken bones. She was taken good care of, obviously. Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him being a shitty caretaker. What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all. Obviously, she has some connection to her if she's willing to not give up Clementine even thinking she wasn't there.
What facts? All you've stated is your opinion and take on the situation, same as me. I see no facts here
Resort to above.
What else could he have done to help her, Bonnie (determinant) and Jane were doing all they could to make her warmer. I'm not saying that completely justifies his treatment of Arvo but that's a poor example. "Menace" again, is a matter of opinion.
He could've, oh I don't know, fucking helped Jane find something to heat Clementine and not totally ignored her to proceed beating the life out of a bound kid. It's just a thought, but that would've been a bit better.
I know that the Kenny hate on this forum will outweigh the Kenny love at this point, but whatever. I feel no want to keep arguing about a dead topic, so if you wanna continue, go ahead. I'll respond, but I've stated my opinion, as have you. We can respect it and move on, or we can keep beating a dead horse.
Ok, I will. Don't bring up the "I'm a victim, cause I have no more ground to stand on" card. The Kenny "hate" is only as prominent as it is because most of the Kenny fans got themselves kicked out after starting one fight after another with anyone who dared say anything against him. They're gone though, and you're still here, so make good points and stop resulting to being so defensive to the point where you just say "fuck it, I'm out cause I can't make any more points stating that Kenny is a better guardian than a woman who put her life on the line for Clementine for over a year even after I lost literally everything else."
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared v… moreery dearly about because it brings up painful memories?
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
What facts? All you've stated is your opinion and take on the situation, same as me. I see no facts here.
continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl
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Yeah Kenny does have the worst excuse for not helping.
Omid - His leg's busted but even if Christa doesn't want to trust Lee, he still wa… morents to go.
Christa - She thinks it's too hard to trust you (and might partially be due to her pregnancy)
Ben - He's either dead or he doesn't want to screw everything up/get anyone else killed.
Kenny - He's angry/neutral towards you
Even if people don't like him, he's still one of the more interesting characters for me in both seasons(especially s2) because of how he changed due to losing his family.
Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him being a shitty caretaker
And how was any of that Kenny's fault?! Carver hit her, Arvo shot her, walkers and other people were the ones who almost killed her. If you wanna blame Kenny for that, than at the same time blame Luke, Rebecca, and Jane just as equally.
What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Resort to above.
Yeah, I'll resort to my above comment, which is all you've stated is opinions, not fact.
Don't bring up the "I'm a victim, cause I have no more ground to stand on" card.
They're gone though, and you're still here, so make good points and stop resulting to being so defensive to the point where you just say "fuck it, I'm out cause I can't make any more points stating that Kenny is a better guardian than a woman who put her life on the line for Clementine for over a year even after I lost literally everything else.
Except I'm not.
Honestly, I have plenty of ground to stand on, and if I didn't I wouldn't bother replying. I can do this all day if you want, like I have been. Any points I've brought up are just as strong as yours, but obviously you're too narrow minded to see that.
I have no wish to keep arguing because "I lack any arguments." I have no wish to keep arguing because like I said - I see no need to keep beating a dead horse. If telling yourself you've "won" this argument and stopped me from making any other arguments is sooooooooo important to you, then go ahead and tell yourself that.
All this is is a matter of different opinions, yet you act like I've personally insulted you over and over again. So yeah, I think the poor horse has had enough, don't you? Good day.
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's… more all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
So because you think something conspired, it's canon? I don't deny Christa was angry at Clementine directly after Omid's death. But what we see in the sixteen month time skip is a healthy young girl who is very much intact and looks quite nourished. No lacerations, bruises, any broken bones. She was taken good care of, obviously. Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him being a shitty caretaker. What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all. Obviously, she has s… [view original content]
Hey, I agree that the forced connection between them isn't very good writing, but completely saying they have no connection isn't very fair either imo.
she still has
For someone to still have something, they must have it in the first place.
Kenny and Clementine don't even exchange… more words in season 1. And in the majority of playthroughs he initially refuses to save her purely because he doesn't like Lee, and is only convinced if Lee says she's her family, while all he should base it on is the fact that she's a little girl and she needs to be saved.
Any strong emotional connection makes 0 sense, let alone a forced one.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Kenny did put her in that position in the first place by forcing her to take the radio regardless of your choice, because she was apparently the best person to be given the task to smuggle a radio to Luke according to Kenny. What if Kenny wasn't around to own up for the radio had she been caught? Clementine would have probably received the same punishment.
Basically, Kenny deliberately endangers the life of an eleven year old.
Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him be… moreing a shitty caretaker
And how was any of that Kenny's fault?! Carver hit her, Arvo shot her, walkers and other people were the ones who almost killed her. If you wanna blame Kenny for that, than at the same time blame Luke, Rebecca, and Jane just as equally.
What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Resort to above.
Yeah, I'll resort to my above comment, which is all you've stated is opinions, not fact.
Don't bring up the "I'm a victim, cause I have no more ground to stand on" card.
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Season 2, most definitely. In season 1 he's a dick to Lee and he doesn't want to come with you if you're a little hard with him, but in season 2 he really shows how much he cares for Clementine, and how far he's willing to go to protect her, just as Lee would if you'd ask me.
Clementine would have probably received the same punishment.
I doubt it. Carver appreciated Clem in a sense, he knew she was tough. He would probably say "that took guts" and "we need people like you to do the hard stuff.", then proceed to punish another member of the group for their disobedience
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Cle… morem can live in Wellington?
Kenny did put her in that position in the first place by forcing her to take the radio regardless of your choice, because she was apparently the best person to be given the task to smuggle a radio to Luke according to Kenny. What if Kenny wasn't around to own up for the radio had she been caught? Clementine would have probably received the same punishment.
Basically, Kenny deliberately endangers the life of an eleven year old.
Maybe not Carver, but Troy would have been happy to take the task since he can potentially smash Clementine's face with the butt of the rifle if she tries to intervene with Kenny's beating.
Just because Carver likes her (in his own twisted way) doesn't mean that his henchmen shares his opinion.
EDIT: Come to think of it, I don't recall Troy getting punished for knocking Carver's new 'friend' unconscious, in spite of appreciating her spirit. You'd think that Carver would not let that slide.
Clementine would have probably received the same punishment.
I doubt it. Carver appreciated Clem in a sense, he knew she was tough. … moreHe would probably say "that took guts" and "we need people like you to do the hard stuff.", then proceed to punish another member of the group for their disobedience
And how was any of that Kenny's fault?! Carver hit her, Arvo shot her, walkers and other people were the ones who almost killed her. If you wanna blame Kenny for that, than at the same time blame Luke, Rebecca, and Jane just as equally.
No doubt the cabin group weren't the brightest of people. But between Kenny constantly pushing Clementine to enact in risky operations such as snatching walkies by her lonesome and him straight up ignoring Clementine as she was slowly freezing to death, I'd say he wasn't really a very good person to watch over a young child.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Clem wasn't anywhere near Wellington, she was in the same shit pile he was in. The only reason his ass got beat down was cause of his constant acts of defiance toward him. Killing one of Carver's own men, determinately injuring Carver, then starting a fight with Mike which resulting in an entry point being exposed, and finally as far as Carver knew, stealing property from him... all within the first 48 hours of his "arrival." That's why he was beaten, I know for a fact after all that shit Carver said to Clem, he wouldn't have done anything near that level to her.
Yeah, I'll resort to my above comment, which is all you've stated is opinions, not fact
Lulwut.
Honestly, I have plenty of ground to stand on, and if I didn't I would bother replying. I can do this all day if you want, like I have been. Any points I've brought up are just as strong as yours, but obviously you're too narrow minded to see that.
Your points are anything but strong. And you've yet to give me any conclusive evidence as to why you feel Kenny is a better guardian. I've given my reasons, but I haven't seen any that can't be easily debunked.
All this is is a matter of different opinions, yet you act like I've personally insulted you over and over again. So yeah, I think the poor horse has had enough, don't you? Good day
Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him be… moreing a shitty caretaker
And how was any of that Kenny's fault?! Carver hit her, Arvo shot her, walkers and other people were the ones who almost killed her. If you wanna blame Kenny for that, than at the same time blame Luke, Rebecca, and Jane just as equally.
What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Resort to above.
Yeah, I'll resort to my above comment, which is all you've stated is opinions, not fact.
Don't bring up the "I'm a victim, cause I have no more ground to stand on" card.
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Idk, there have been times where people got mad at me for trying to help a situation (once HERE in fact), theres a certain user (whose name wont be mentioned unless drama somehow needs to be started, which it doesnt) whos gotten PISSED at me and started calling me childish names for trying to help someone they offended, so yeah my policy is gonna be stay out of it. Also why apoligize Flog, thats nothing to apoligize over, in fact that kinda breaks my heart haha, but nah, its oki. Im going to apoligize to you in particular though actually, if ive ever come off as a bad person or rude person, because i do try my hardest to be nice to everyone here. I just have to be neutral because the people who act like dirtbags to others never get banned in the couple of times ive reported them or called them out. There are times where i come here and see stuff i dislike and id already had a shitty day irl, so maybe my tone to others can come off as harsh, but i really do care a lot about others feelings. Im just saying it never helps or works in the couple of times i did try to do something, so why bother anymore. Neutrality helps honestly because it keeps a lot of dumb stuff from being started
I accidentally upvoted your comment instead of pushing reply, my apologies.
Up, 'if you're not part of the solutiaton, you're part of the… more problem' is specifically referring to neutral parties, and how just not getting involved can do more harm than good, so yeah, that's the point.
how did this comment that was originally about the cinematography of Kenny getting shot manage to blossom into yet another full scale argument over some bullshit yet again
why
Arguments pertaining to Kenny on either side are creating far more problems than they're fixing
I saw that "now you know how we feel" comment just up there, and I can't help but be reminded of another internet shitstorm that happened not that long ago: Bronies.
It started out with that fanbase gushing all over the place. Pony-related stuff everywhere you went. Slowly but surely, it pissed everyone off, just as you'd expect.
Then over time, the hate started to overshadow the love. Every time something pony-related came up, that opinion would be immediately shit on, and the person shunned by everyone else. That same set of words was also used as a justification, "now you know how the rest of us felt"
And that's when people started realizing something: both sides were starting to become major annoyances that had an equal amount of negative impact upon communities as a whole. The problem is still there and it still sparks arguments, but for the most part, people have moved on, as they realized that the more ridicule and vitriol that was flung about just made the whole situation worse.
Which brings me to my point: this is exactly what all the Kenny controversy is heading towards. It's practically being reenacted to a T. The sooner this place learns to move past it, the better it will be for everyone. Luckily, Kenny's determinant now which definitely helps stamp out some of the fire. Even as someone who actually likes Kenny*, I almost want him dead and gone solely so everyone can just shut up about him for once.
I am absolutely sick of both sides of this. I'm sick of seeing that fucking 'secret ending' posted all over, and all of the idolizing about him and those old "Kenny is god" posts, and I was sick of that stuff since the beginning pretty much. And now I'm sick of that fucking gif of him getting shot and all the other anti-Kenny stuff going on. People want some time in the limelight after all of the oppression they've faced at the hands of the Kenny fanbase, fair enough. Too bad that it's practically turning into the same monster the Kenny fanbase was. The same problems that existed then are still here. People like me, people situated more in the middle, we feel just like they did, and now we're forced to suffer through that same feeling again as the anti-Kenny fanbase gets their time to shine and get a small dose of revenge out of it. I'm sick of it all and I wish it would just stop, but everyone inadvertently keeps forwarding the problem. Maybe I'm helping forward it just by making this post/rant, which just further reinforces how bad this has all gotten.
*While I do like Kenny, I'm not overstated about it at all. I like him, and that's where the discussion ends. I'm not gonna start arguments and argue against someone that thinks otherwise. If I was situated on a love-hate spectrum, I'd be in the middle, trying to distance myself from both extreme sides of the spectrum, which is sort of what this rant is doing.
Seeing this gif time and time again made me realize something:
I actually really like the way that shot is framed; the angle and composition and all that. It just feels cold and detached, which is a perfect fit for that scene
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I agree, it's an amazing shot. Both in terms of cinematics and by Clementine.
Season 1 Kenny by a mile. I only started disliking him when he refused to save clementine because he didn't like Lee. So for most of season 1 I thought he was alright.
He initially refused to help Lee save Clementine in the majority of playthroughs.
It's also interesting (and pretty disappointing...) that this is really the only ending that seems to portray Clem as even slightly disliking Kenny. She actually looks super pissed off at Kenny right before she shoots him.
Yeah.
In most endings she seems to have much more emotional attachment to a man she's talked with for 2 days than a woman who protected her for 16 months. Pretty lame writing.
Except when it leads to bullying and racial slurs, of course. Which happens several times.
I started quickly dissolving my strongly positive impressions of him when he slaughtered an unconscious father in front of his daughter and then hid in a stable waiting for Lee to die. And of course this happens not once, not twice, but three times through the course of episode two and three. But I just kept myself away from him and found myself detaching from him as a friend. But whatever, right?
Then, we have A Long Road Ahead. The episode in which he called Clementine a "sham" to me because I was trying to get him to stop the train. That did it for me, after that I didn't give a fuck about his suffering and I did beat the shit out of him for that reason alone. Everything after that was one misstep after another, shoving my opinion of him further and further downwards... And season 2, good God.
What a shithead Kenny is, I can't stand him.
How does having little to no control over your emotions and having anger issues that cause problems for everyone make you a badass?
I disapproved of his actions in the meat locker but i forgave him because i could kind of symathise with the fact he was stressed out and stuff.
I disliked him a little when he was bullying Lilly after killing her father though.
When he refused to save Clem, he had no excuses. Complete dickhead.
I would've been able to show forgiveness if not for the actions subsequent to the incident. He apologizes to Lilly once, and that was most likely out of sheer shock of his own deed. He then immediately turns on Lee and is angrily defensive over everyone's rightful distaste of his action. He hides in a stall while a cannibal has Lee held up and is most definitely ready to kill him, at that moment I realized Kenny couldn't have cared all too much for his family's safety if he's willing to let more people die on his watch making it harder for him to achieve the very thing he so strongly advocates for, rescuing his family.
Of course, we haven't even gotten to him sneering at Lilly's sorrowful rebuttal when Kenny happily exclaims that there's free supplies. And the constant bullying and head-butting he did with her really showed he has no respect for anyone other than his family. He's selfish.
And he later on still refuses to aid Lee in the drug store not once but twice when Lee is attacked.
And I agree with the refusal to save Clementine, mainly because he had no motive other than petty indifference. It wasn't like his leg was injured like another individual or was pregnant. No, he just didn't feel like helping a girl who had done nothing to harm him... doubl- neigh, triple fuck him for that.
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WHY WAS THE FORUM NEVER LIKE THIS A YEAR AGO?? I felt like I was the only one arguing against Kenny then haha, this talk against him with likes and being unchallenged is so refreshing.
Completely agree, if that wasn't obvious.
You probably were, when I first joined I kept a strong lid on my opinions of him. I felt like with all the ravenous Kenny fans, that was one area I felt wasn't worth talking about... then over time I just couldn't hold it in anymore... it probably had something to do with his anger toward Clementine in Amid the Ruins and there being more people hoping on the side of people like you. His colors were shown to a lot of people then and it made me feel like standing up against his shit once and for all.
So yeah, you probably were greatly outmatched at the time but now old washed up stink lines McGillacuddy is determinate, so a lot of anti-Kenny members feel a lifted weight, In a sense.
Yep! But now of course they're preparing to get angry when he isn't in every episode of season 3.
You were smart not to get involved. Defending people who don't like Kenny got me actual death threats.
Now you know how we've felt for the last year and a half.
Youre saying that as if i was the ones posting gifs of Jane dying constantly
You weren't someone standing up for those annoyed and silenced by it.
'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem'.
It astonishes me how people can condemn other users over something so petty. I may hate Kenny, but the fans of his I dislike are the ones you've mentioned... the ones that spew their hateful bullshit and don't like any other opinion other than their own. If someone likes Kenny, I simply ask why.
Hell, I love Clementine (even after No Going Back) but I don't hate anyone for saying she sucks as a character. An opinion is an opinion, and although I feel securely more right than others', I would never threaten violence because someone told me Clem sucks. That's preposterous.
...or maybe im just being neutral because i dissagree with both sides
unless someones life is one the line, im not gonna get involved if i dissagree with both sides
you either love him or hate him. Im a fan and it sucks to see people hating on him but its their opinion.
Anything season 1 related is my favourite. Some of Kennys lines from S1 had me howling, Gavin Hammon is god in that respect. Season 2 just didnt have the same impact at all
Christa was very very cold to Clementine, I wouldn't blame her if she didn't have any sense of emotional attachment to her (I know I didn't want my Clem to, I thought Christa was a bitch).
Kenny was with you in Season 1, was the closest person to you (through a forced plot) in Season 2. It can make sense why she still has emotional attachment to him.
So yeah, other than the forced Kenny/Clem relationship I wouldn't say its lame writing.
Does no one remember that Christa made a promise to Lee that she'd look after Clem for better or worse? Well, I think Omid and her baby dying was definitely for worse, and she still took good care of her. Clementine looked healthy and nourished even after the sixteen month time skip, more so than a worn down and almost sickly looking Christa.
She did care for Clementine, even she was somewhat crass toward Clementine's comments regarding Omid. Big whoop. What I find weird is that Kenny is somehow justified in screaming a string of hateful obscenities at Clementine, but God forbid Christa tells Clementine anything even slightly resembling any negative tone.
She loved Clementine very dearly and unlike the one-eyed redneck, proves her love through actions, not words.
I'm gonna go babysit a child and then feed them and keep them warm, but at the same time speak harshly at them and probably make them feel like shit. That should make me a good caretaker!
Sure she did, if that makes you feel better.
Resorting to insults about appearance instead of any good ones that define his actual character. You should be a lawyer!
Probably make who feel like shit? For what? Saying Clementine needs to learn to make a fire and stop talking about a man who Christa cared very dearly about because it brings up painful memories? Well then, good to know that screaming at a girl that she's a "stupid fucking kid" and that "this is all on your head" is better than "I know what Omid said..."
Absolutely does. Facts make me feel at least a sense of understanding for a situation, can't say the same for you apparently.
Ok, how's this? Kenny is a violently unstable menace that would rather continue bullying a teenager than aiding a freezing girl. Yes, truly a great caretaker.
Hah, the horse is a brittle skeleton at this point.
Yeah Kenny does have the worst excuse for not helping.
Omid - His leg's busted but even if Christa doesn't want to trust Lee, he still wants to go.
Christa - She thinks it's too hard to trust you (and might partially be due to her pregnancy)
Ben - He's either dead or he doesn't want to screw everything up/get anyone else killed.
Kenny - He's angry/neutral towards you
Really? You think just because the only dialogue we see between Christa and Clementine is her talking about building a fire and stuff that's all their relationship was like? Yeah, I'm sure as soon as Omid was murdered with Clem's gun, Christa was like "its k Clem, let's go make sure you know how to make a fire."
What facts? All you've stated is your opinion and take on the situation, same as me. I see no facts here.
What else could he have done to help her, Bonnie (determinant) and Jane were doing all they could to make her warmer. I'm not saying that completely justifies his treatment of Arvo but that's a poor example. "Menace" again, is a matter of opinion.
I know that the Kenny hate on this forum will outweigh the Kenny love at this point, but whatever. I feel no want to keep arguing about a dead topic, so if you wanna continue, go ahead. I'll respond, but I've stated my opinion, as have you. We can respect it and move on, or we can keep beating a dead horse.
For someone to still have something, they must have it in the first place.
Kenny and Clementine don't even exchange words in season 1. And in the majority of playthroughs he initially refuses to save her purely because he doesn't like Lee, and is only convinced if Lee says she's her family, while all he should base it on is the fact that she's a little girl and she needs to be saved.
Any strong emotional connection makes 0 sense, let alone a forced one.
I accidentally upvoted your comment instead of pushing reply, my apologies.
Up, 'if you're not part of the solutiaton, you're part of the problem' is specifically referring to neutral parties, and how just not getting involved can do more harm than good, so yeah, that's the point.
So because you think something conspired, it's canon? I don't deny Christa was angry at Clementine directly after Omid's death. But what we see in the sixteen month time skip is a healthy young girl who is very much intact and looks quite nourished. No lacerations, bruises, any broken bones. She was taken good care of, obviously. Within the few days she was hanging around with Kenny, she's been hit, shot, almost killed countless times, almost froze, all part to him being a shitty caretaker. What does Christa say to the bandits when they demand she tell them who's she with? Nothing, she tells them fuck all. Obviously, she has some connection to her if she's willing to not give up Clementine even thinking she wasn't there.
Resort to above.
He could've, oh I don't know, fucking helped Jane find something to heat Clementine and not totally ignored her to proceed beating the life out of a bound kid. It's just a thought, but that would've been a bit better.
Ok, I will. Don't bring up the "I'm a victim, cause I have no more ground to stand on" card. The Kenny "hate" is only as prominent as it is because most of the Kenny fans got themselves kicked out after starting one fight after another with anyone who dared say anything against him. They're gone though, and you're still here, so make good points and stop resulting to being so defensive to the point where you just say "fuck it, I'm out cause I can't make any more points stating that Kenny is a better guardian than a woman who put her life on the line for Clementine for over a year even after I lost literally everything else."
Anyway, ciao.
Christa's reason is the same as Omid's - she wants to be around to help him, especially after the scare after coming back from Crawford.
Even if people don't like him, he's still one of the more interesting characters for me in both seasons(especially s2) because of how he changed due to losing his family.
And how was any of that Kenny's fault?! Carver hit her, Arvo shot her, walkers and other people were the ones who almost killed her. If you wanna blame Kenny for that, than at the same time blame Luke, Rebecca, and Jane just as equally.
And Kenny hasn't done similar things? Blame himself for the radio so Carver hurts him instead of Clem, practically sacrifice his life so Clem can live in Wellington?
Yeah, I'll resort to my above comment, which is all you've stated is opinions, not fact.
Except I'm not.
Honestly, I have plenty of ground to stand on, and if I didn't I wouldn't bother replying. I can do this all day if you want, like I have been. Any points I've brought up are just as strong as yours, but obviously you're too narrow minded to see that.
I have no wish to keep arguing because "I lack any arguments." I have no wish to keep arguing because like I said - I see no need to keep beating a dead horse. If telling yourself you've "won" this argument and stopped me from making any other arguments is sooooooooo important to you, then go ahead and tell yourself that.
All this is is a matter of different opinions, yet you act like I've personally insulted you over and over again. So yeah, I think the poor horse has had enough, don't you? Good day.
Hey, I agree that the forced connection between them isn't very good writing, but completely saying they have no connection isn't very fair either imo.
Kenny did put her in that position in the first place by forcing her to take the radio regardless of your choice, because she was apparently the best person to be given the task to smuggle a radio to Luke according to Kenny. What if Kenny wasn't around to own up for the radio had she been caught? Clementine would have probably received the same punishment.
Basically, Kenny deliberately endangers the life of an eleven year old.
Season 2, most definitely. In season 1 he's a dick to Lee and he doesn't want to come with you if you're a little hard with him, but in season 2 he really shows how much he cares for Clementine, and how far he's willing to go to protect her, just as Lee would if you'd ask me.
I doubt it. Carver appreciated Clem in a sense, he knew she was tough. He would probably say "that took guts" and "we need people like you to do the hard stuff.", then proceed to punish another member of the group for their disobedience
Maybe not Carver, but Troy would have been happy to take the task since he can potentially smash Clementine's face with the butt of the rifle if she tries to intervene with Kenny's beating.
Just because Carver likes her (in his own twisted way) doesn't mean that his henchmen shares his opinion.
EDIT: Come to think of it, I don't recall Troy getting punished for knocking Carver's new 'friend' unconscious, in spite of appreciating her spirit. You'd think that Carver would not let that slide.
No doubt the cabin group weren't the brightest of people. But between Kenny constantly pushing Clementine to enact in risky operations such as snatching walkies by her lonesome and him straight up ignoring Clementine as she was slowly freezing to death, I'd say he wasn't really a very good person to watch over a young child.
Clem wasn't anywhere near Wellington, she was in the same shit pile he was in. The only reason his ass got beat down was cause of his constant acts of defiance toward him. Killing one of Carver's own men, determinately injuring Carver, then starting a fight with Mike which resulting in an entry point being exposed, and finally as far as Carver knew, stealing property from him... all within the first 48 hours of his "arrival." That's why he was beaten, I know for a fact after all that shit Carver said to Clem, he wouldn't have done anything near that level to her.
Lulwut.
Your points are anything but strong. And you've yet to give me any conclusive evidence as to why you feel Kenny is a better guardian. I've given my reasons, but I haven't seen any that can't be easily debunked.
Peace.
Idk, there have been times where people got mad at me for trying to help a situation (once HERE in fact), theres a certain user (whose name wont be mentioned unless drama somehow needs to be started, which it doesnt) whos gotten PISSED at me and started calling me childish names for trying to help someone they offended, so yeah my policy is gonna be stay out of it. Also why apoligize Flog, thats nothing to apoligize over, in fact that kinda breaks my heart haha, but nah, its oki. Im going to apoligize to you in particular though actually, if ive ever come off as a bad person or rude person, because i do try my hardest to be nice to everyone here. I just have to be neutral because the people who act like dirtbags to others never get banned in the couple of times ive reported them or called them out. There are times where i come here and see stuff i dislike and id already had a shitty day irl, so maybe my tone to others can come off as harsh, but i really do care a lot about others feelings. Im just saying it never helps or works in the couple of times i did try to do something, so why bother anymore. Neutrality helps honestly because it keeps a lot of dumb stuff from being started
Really
how did this comment that was originally about the cinematography of Kenny getting shot manage to blossom into yet another full scale argument over some bullshit yet again
why
Arguments pertaining to Kenny on either side are creating far more problems than they're fixing
I saw that "now you know how we feel" comment just up there, and I can't help but be reminded of another internet shitstorm that happened not that long ago: Bronies.
It started out with that fanbase gushing all over the place. Pony-related stuff everywhere you went. Slowly but surely, it pissed everyone off, just as you'd expect.
Then over time, the hate started to overshadow the love. Every time something pony-related came up, that opinion would be immediately shit on, and the person shunned by everyone else. That same set of words was also used as a justification, "now you know how the rest of us felt"
And that's when people started realizing something: both sides were starting to become major annoyances that had an equal amount of negative impact upon communities as a whole. The problem is still there and it still sparks arguments, but for the most part, people have moved on, as they realized that the more ridicule and vitriol that was flung about just made the whole situation worse.
Which brings me to my point: this is exactly what all the Kenny controversy is heading towards. It's practically being reenacted to a T. The sooner this place learns to move past it, the better it will be for everyone. Luckily, Kenny's determinant now which definitely helps stamp out some of the fire. Even as someone who actually likes Kenny*, I almost want him dead and gone solely so everyone can just shut up about him for once.
I am absolutely sick of both sides of this. I'm sick of seeing that fucking 'secret ending' posted all over, and all of the idolizing about him and those old "Kenny is god" posts, and I was sick of that stuff since the beginning pretty much. And now I'm sick of that fucking gif of him getting shot and all the other anti-Kenny stuff going on. People want some time in the limelight after all of the oppression they've faced at the hands of the Kenny fanbase, fair enough. Too bad that it's practically turning into the same monster the Kenny fanbase was. The same problems that existed then are still here. People like me, people situated more in the middle, we feel just like they did, and now we're forced to suffer through that same feeling again as the anti-Kenny fanbase gets their time to shine and get a small dose of revenge out of it. I'm sick of it all and I wish it would just stop, but everyone inadvertently keeps forwarding the problem. Maybe I'm helping forward it just by making this post/rant, which just further reinforces how bad this has all gotten.
*While I do like Kenny, I'm not overstated about it at all. I like him, and that's where the discussion ends. I'm not gonna start arguments and argue against someone that thinks otherwise. If I was situated on a love-hate spectrum, I'd be in the middle, trying to distance myself from both extreme sides of the spectrum, which is sort of what this rant is doing.