Don't listen to himmmmm, do what you gut says, my gut said smash larry in, but it might not be what yours or everyone elses said. Dont listen to those who say that your choices are wrong, or that certain choices are wrong. He's saying that because he considers it wrong himself, everyone should
Actually, now that you mention it, I remember one YouTube commenter putting it "Helping Lilly in the meat locker is what's easy, helping Kenny is what's right."
Now I'm all conflicted..... 6~9;
I'm a SUPER indecisive person (Which by the way does NOT help you in the game) and I as well panicked. I didn't cry though, but I literally just sat there in the deepest thought I could ever be in (Besides choosing to sit with Kenny or Luke.) I did pick to go with Kenny since he was my bro for life, but there was that sense of immediate regret once Kenny smashed Larry's head. I don't know... it was a thing where I knew Larry would die anyways.
I would NOT kill another Human being no matter what. I would take care of the problem when it presented itself. He was still breathing, and if you choose to help him, You can clearly see that. I would have taken care of it when it came to him not breathing. But Killing another human being is just disgusting. Clementine would have been fine, He was still breathing. And you REALLY think Murdering someone in cold blood is far more disgusting than letting a child die? That is just awful. But, it's your opinion, and You have a right to it.
So you wouldn't kill somebody if it was the only way to stop them from killing you? You wouldn't kill someone to stop them from killing a ch… moreild? The fact that you'd allow a child to die just because you wouldn't want to kill someone, is far more "disgusting" than killing someone by itself.
No, helping Kenny is the right choice. What people don't seem to realize is that the right thing to do isn't always the morally correct thing to do. Which is something that I think this choice demonstrates perfectly.
He was still breathing, and if you choose to help him, You can clearly see that.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
And even if he was still breathing, he wasn't going to live. There was no way to save Larry in that situation, and the group had nowhere to hide or anyway to defend themselves from a 6 foot overweight zombie. It's not pleasant to think about, but killing him instead of allowing him to reanimate and kill the whole group, is the better option.
Also it's not always murder to kill someone, such as in self-defense, to save someone else from being killed, accidentally, etc.
I would NOT kill another Human being no matter what. I would take care of the problem when it presented itself. He was still breathing, and … moreif you choose to help him, You can clearly see that. I would have taken care of it when it came to him not breathing. But Killing another human being is just disgusting. Clementine would have been fine, He was still breathing. And you REALLY think Murdering someone in cold blood is far more disgusting than letting a child die? That is just awful. But, it's your opinion, and You have a right to it.
He was still breathing, and if you choose to help him, You can clearly see that.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe… more that was him reanimating?
And even if he was still breathing, he wasn't going to live. There was no way to save Larry in that situation, and the group had nowhere to hide or anyway to defend themselves from a 6 foot overweight zombie. It's not pleasant to think about, but killing him instead of allowing him to reanimate and kill the whole group, is the better option.
Also it's not always murder to kill someone, such as in self-defense, to save someone else from being killed, accidentally, etc.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No breathing.
I'm pretty sure he was waking up again, since if you do five compression's he takes a breath and if you don't do five nothing happens. So yea, I'd take that him at least savable and even if he'd die anyway that would still buy the group some time and give Lilly time to say goodbye instead of everything ending abruptly because Kenny couldn't wait.
He was still breathing, and if you choose to help him, You can clearly see that.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe… more that was him reanimating?
And even if he was still breathing, he wasn't going to live. There was no way to save Larry in that situation, and the group had nowhere to hide or anyway to defend themselves from a 6 foot overweight zombie. It's not pleasant to think about, but killing him instead of allowing him to reanimate and kill the whole group, is the better option.
Also it's not always murder to kill someone, such as in self-defense, to save someone else from being killed, accidentally, etc.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No… more breathing.
I'm pretty sure he was waking up again, since if you do five compression's he takes a breath and if you don't do five nothing happens. So yea, I'd take that him at least savable and even if he'd die anyway that would still buy the group some time and give Lilly time to say goodbye instead of everything ending abruptly because Kenny couldn't wait.
I never liked Larry, the fucker would have left me for dead if Kenny hadn't saved me. I don't agree with Kenny a lot, but I'd be more than happy to help kill Larry. Lilly was as abrasive as her father, then tried to backpedal and ask me for help? I didn't like that at all, and seeing she kills my wife Carley, she can fend for herself on the side of the road for all I care.
If I recall correctly, he breathes a little at four compressions, and breaths a bit more at five. Although it is a bit hard to fit in five due to the little time you have. Understandably, I've never made it to six to see what happens before..... you know.....
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No… more breathing.
I'm pretty sure he was waking up again, since if you do five compression's he takes a breath and if you don't do five nothing happens. So yea, I'd take that him at least savable and even if he'd die anyway that would still buy the group some time and give Lilly time to say goodbye instead of everything ending abruptly because Kenny couldn't wait.
I never really saw her as abrasive, just tough, which is what you need in a leader of the zombie apocalypse. Of course she isn't always right, but I mean she has good reason to act that way, she's ensuring everyone's survival. While that does get in the way at times, like helping a wounded person you found in the woods, she still has good intentions.
Plus, she seemed to be in complete shock about what she did the moment she shot Carley, it all must have just gone by so fast and she was so upset she just got caught up in the moment. Like with Kenny, I was completely aware she only had the best of intentions, trying to protect the group from a traitor that could at any moment mean the death of everyone around her, the death of the only people she has left in this whole world.
I'm not biased towards her or anything and I like her just as much as every other character, I just see where she's coming from.
I never liked Larry, the fucker would have left me for dead if Kenny hadn't saved me. I don't agree with Kenny a lot, but I'd be more than h… moreappy to help kill Larry. Lilly was as abrasive as her father, then tried to backpedal and ask me for help? I didn't like that at all, and seeing she kills my wife Carley, she can fend for herself on the side of the road for all I care.
I would NOT kill another Human being no matter what.
I have to be honest and say if I was really in this situation I would likely never do half of what I do in the game, at the end of the day we are sat at a screen having a moral debate, I'm pretty sure half if not more would freeze up in half the scenarios, the bleeding hearts would ditch and kill people and the hardcore people might feel terrible about everything or even be the guy that helps people
I would NOT kill another Human being no matter what. I would take care of the problem when it presented itself. He was still breathing, and … moreif you choose to help him, You can clearly see that. I would have taken care of it when it came to him not breathing. But Killing another human being is just disgusting. Clementine would have been fine, He was still breathing. And you REALLY think Murdering someone in cold blood is far more disgusting than letting a child die? That is just awful. But, it's your opinion, and You have a right to it.
He DID Have mercy on Lee. He had every reason to try to kill him everyday, He had every reason to NOT help with the walker on top of him, But he did. He helped.
It is my eternal regret that I already knew what would happen before I start playing the game. If I played the episode before knowing about it, I would have probably have tried to help Larry.
And I would probably having some intense heartbeat and emotions during the scene.
Game-mechanic wise maybe. Definitely not for real, remember what he said after killing Larry?
Kenny: "You think I like doing this? I was the one who couldn't bear to put down the family dog. Sometimes you gotta have the guts to do the hard thing...... Or at least one of us does."
I tried to save him, but before trying I asked myself, "do I really want to save that piece of shit", but in the end I decide that we need the more survivors possible in our group. But even if Kenny is my best bro, I think he wasn't agreing with me in that scene.
Dafuk Kenny? I can't kill him infront of Lilly and Clem.
But If I don't kill him, He'll kill us including Lilly and Clem.
But I still can't kill him! His daughter is right there!
No I have to kill him, or he'll kill his daughter!
Killing a guy is wrong.
Letting him kill them is even more wrong. Should I take the chance to revive him?
I should take a chance. If I succeed in reviving him none of us die.
But if I try that and fail, we all die! What are the chances that a miracle revival happens?
If I kill him infront of Clem, she'll get the wrong idea...
But that won't matter if Clem dies.
I should save him, Lilly is better off dead than to see her father die.
But in that situation all of us will die also, Clem included.
AAAAAARGH!!!!!!
Or something along those lines. In the end I killed Larry. The big decider for me was that Larry was a towering powerhouse. And that if he woke up a walker. Then at that point there'd be no putting him to sleep again.
I don't get along well with overly tough people even in real life, but even I can admit she had a point about how foolish it was to make noises with gunfire and almost bring zombies inside just to help a group of strangers.
I don't ENTIRELY dislike Lilly, it's more her dad Larry I couldn't stand at all. Her paranoia rubbed me the wrong way in Episode 3, but I forget what we did to Larry in episode 2, it could definitely ruin a persons mind to see that. It's a bit of a shame, too, I might have changed my opinion of her if she could be allowed to stay if you choose not to abandon her, since she steals the RV and there's no chance for her character to develop or redeem.
You do bring up a good point, though. I'm just still sore about the death of Carley, I guess. :v
I never really saw her as abrasive, just tough, which is what you need in a leader of the zombie apocalypse. Of course she isn't always righ… moret, but I mean she has good reason to act that way, she's ensuring everyone's survival. While that does get in the way at times, like helping a wounded person you found in the woods, she still has good intentions.
Plus, she seemed to be in complete shock about what she did the moment she shot Carley, it all must have just gone by so fast and she was so upset she just got caught up in the moment. Like with Kenny, I was completely aware she only had the best of intentions, trying to protect the group from a traitor that could at any moment mean the death of everyone around her, the death of the only people she has left in this whole world.
I'm not biased towards her or anything and I like her just as much as every other character, I just see where she's coming from.
I don't get along well with overly tough people even in real life, but even I can admit she had a point about how foolish it was to make noi… moreses with gunfire and almost bring zombies inside just to help a group of strangers.
I don't ENTIRELY dislike Lilly, it's more her dad Larry I couldn't stand at all. Her paranoia rubbed me the wrong way in Episode 3, but I forget what we did to Larry in episode 2, it could definitely ruin a persons mind to see that. It's a bit of a shame, too, I might have changed my opinion of her if she could be allowed to stay if you choose not to abandon her, since she steals the RV and there's no chance for her character to develop or redeem.
You do bring up a good point, though. I'm just still sore about the death of Carley, I guess. :v
At first I was like "Aw man, if we squash his head some of it might get on my shoes." Then I realized that Larry wouldn't be needing his shoes anymore, so I sided with Kenny.
And the stranger in episode 5 can have either 1, 2 or 3 bullets in his gun, depending on your choices during that scene for no explainable reason that can be justified in any rational way
I don't know if things that can happen in different playthroughs can be reliably used as evidence of... anything really
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No… more breathing.
I'm pretty sure he was waking up again, since if you do five compression's he takes a breath and if you don't do five nothing happens. So yea, I'd take that him at least savable and even if he'd die anyway that would still buy the group some time and give Lilly time to say goodbye instead of everything ending abruptly because Kenny couldn't wait.
And the stranger in episode 5 can have either 1, 2 or 3 bullets in his gun, depending on your choices during that scene for no explainable reason that can be justified in any rational way
I think the only reason why TT made it the gun carry 1, 2 or 3 bullets is to find a way for Clementine to get her own gun to teach her how to survive in Lee's final moments.
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No breathing.
And the stranger in episode 5 can have either 1, 2 or 3 bullet… mores in his gun, depending on your choices during that scene for no explainable reason that can be justified in any rational way
I don't know if things that can happen in different playthroughs can be reliably used as evidence of... anything really
You know, when I think about it more in depth, I have a love/hate relationship with this whole scene
Part of me feels that they did a good job making an ambiguous choice, but part of me thinks they didn't
Part of me thinks they fell too much on the side of him potentially being alive, which really skewers and kind of ruins the whole intent of the scene
Part of me thinks having Larry 'breathe' upon the chest compressions just ends up making the scene appear too black and white when it's intended to sit heavily in the grey area
In fact, the fact that the Larry choice is a 35/65 split even further helps prove that this choice wasn't grey enough. Shouldn't it be balancing out more? Or maybe that's just in an ideal world? Either way, I feel the fact that what seems to be a majority of people are convinced he was actually alive, which just proves that this scene sort of fell flat in terms of presentation.
I really don't know. Subjectively, I felt that they struck that balance well. I could really see both sides of the coin here, and I found it to be a legitimately difficult choice. But the problem would extend beyond personal opinion. If anything, it doesn't seem like there's enough people sitting in that grey area where they can see the situation both ways; it always seems like people sit on either the black or white side of the spectrum when it comes to this choice, which feels like it's counter-intuitive to what they intended when they were designing this scene: either people are convinced he's definitely alive and that Kenny is fully in the wrong, others believe that he is dead and that everyone else is in the definite wrong, then there's an outlier group of people that just hate Larry and used that as the sole, or primary justification for killing him. How many people actually adopted a grey perspective on this situation?
Then again, we're sitting here talking about a video game. It's probably easier for us to justify saving him for the simple fact that we're not in mortal danger. No matter how much you suspend disbelief, there will always be a conscious part of you that recognizes that you're playing a video game. If you try to put yourself in everyone's shoes in that situation, it starts to make more sense. For all intents and purposes, in that situation, you could be about to die. It's easy for us to come up with an explanation or plan, but again, we have the luxury of not being in danger. We're sitting in a nice comfy room (well, most of us probably), not in any sort of danger or under any sort of stress. We have all the time in the world to propose a solution, and we have the benefit of being able to pause the game and think about things. Those are a giant series of safety-nets for us, and it's hardly applicable to being in a scenario even remotely similar to the one presented in game.
If you were in a locked room by a cannibalistic family that's planning on killing and eating you, in the middle of an apocalypse where corpses are already up and eating people, and you just learned hours earlier that anyone that dies comes back as one of them, and someone in your group falls to the floor without a pulse, do you honestly think you'd still be that confident about saving him, or even be believing beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's alive? I mean, try really really REALLY hard to picture yourself in that exact scenario, under all of the same stress these characters would be in at that exact moment. You can't say with any degree of certainty that anything you posted here is indicative in any way as to what you'd actually do, and how your actual thought-process at the time would work.
It's easy to sit here and say "no way I'd murder an unconscious man!" but I can bet that anyone that says that would legitimately consider killing him in that exact scenario, or that the thought would at the very least cross their mind. It's easy to stand on the moral high-ground until their are legitimate life-threatening stakes in real life, then we're all back in the gutter together.
People do dumb shit when they're panicking, when they're fearing for their own lives. People don't think straight. But us? The people playing this game while sitting back in a chair? We aren't panicking over anything, because we have nothing happening to elicit such a concentrated response like that. At best we have an elevated heart-rate and we're all like "ohshitohshitohshit", but that's about it. I've felt more legitimate fear nearly being in a car crash (one that would have been non-fatal, at that) than I ever did in a video game, or any piece of fiction for that matter. I have a fear of bees/wasps that has elicited a more intense fear reaction than any piece of fiction ever has.
Yeah, but it was still a life. I'm just going to copy and paste what I said in another topic about Doug and Carley:
They definitely did too little with Doug. Not only was he less interesting, but the situation he was in at the end of the episode seemed like less of a crisis. He's a strong guy getting held against a boarded window by only some hands grabbing his shoulders, while Carley was defenseless and inches away from a walker's mouth reaching her foot while another walker was coming straight for her. Plus, they unintentionally made Doug kind of seem rude in how he didn't know about your brother, saying it could be anyone, just rotting out there, and hurrying you up while you say goodbye. Meanwhile, Carley gives you the opportunity to trust her with your past and you're even with her when you have to decide whether you should kill a girl out of mercy. Not to mention she's a good shot.
They really could've done so much more with Doug, and I even remember reading somewhere that the writers felt the same way after seeing how many more people saved Carley over Doug.
Plus, if you choose her, you get to tell the group about your past yourself and better your relationship with them. I like Doug as much as Carley, but it's a shame they didn't do more with his character.
THANK YOU Deltino! I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Some people are so quick to say they wouldn't do what Kenny did, maybe not in the way he did it but in a possible threatening situation, i cannot honestly accept or think people wouldn't do something to keep them all alive instead of taking a risk to save a guy who could turn at any moment if dead. Larry wouldn't do the same for you if it was the other way around either. It's like you said, we are all all playing a game in a room sitting at a desk, we are not in that situation these characters are but if we were i think there wouldn't be many people staying calm knowing they may all die at any moment.
You know, when I think about it more in depth, I have a love/hate relationship with this whole scene
Part of me feels that they did a goo… mored job making an ambiguous choice, but part of me thinks they didn't
Part of me thinks they fell too much on the side of him potentially being alive, which really skewers and kind of ruins the whole intent of the scene
Part of me thinks having Larry 'breathe' upon the chest compressions just ends up making the scene appear too black and white when it's intended to sit heavily in the grey area
In fact, the fact that the Larry choice is a 35/65 split even further helps prove that this choice wasn't grey enough. Shouldn't it be balancing out more? Or maybe that's just in an ideal world? Either way, I feel the fact that what seems to be a majority of people are convinced he was actually alive, which just proves that this scene sort of fell flat in terms of presentation.
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THANK YOU Deltino! I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Some people are so quick to say they wouldn't do what Kenny did, maybe no… moret in the way he did it but in a possible threatening situation, i cannot honestly accept or think people wouldn't do something to keep them all alive instead of taking a risk to save a guy who could turn at any moment if dead. Larry wouldn't do the same for you if it was the other way around either. It's like you said, we are all all playing a game in a room sitting at a desk, we are not in that situation these characters are but if we were i think there wouldn't be many people staying calm knowing they may all die at any moment.
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Could you tell us how your views have changed on this subject? I am very curious. And I'm on mobile at the moment so I don't know what the half of your post looks like.
THANK YOU Deltino! I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Some people are so quick to say they wouldn't do what Kenny did, maybe no… moret in the way he did it but in a possible threatening situation, i cannot honestly accept or think people wouldn't do something to keep them all alive instead of taking a risk to save a guy who could turn at any moment if dead. Larry wouldn't do the same for you if it was the other way around either. It's like you said, we are all all playing a game in a room sitting at a desk, we are not in that situation these characters are but if we were i think there wouldn't be many people staying calm knowing they may all die at any moment.
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Don't listen to himmmmm, do what you gut says, my gut said smash larry in, but it might not be what yours or everyone elses said. Dont listen to those who say that your choices are wrong, or that certain choices are wrong. He's saying that because he considers it wrong himself, everyone should
I'm a SUPER indecisive person (Which by the way does NOT help you in the game) and I as well panicked. I didn't cry though, but I literally just sat there in the deepest thought I could ever be in (Besides choosing to sit with Kenny or Luke.) I did pick to go with Kenny since he was my bro for life, but there was that sense of immediate regret once Kenny smashed Larry's head. I don't know... it was a thing where I knew Larry would die anyways.
I would NOT kill another Human being no matter what. I would take care of the problem when it presented itself. He was still breathing, and if you choose to help him, You can clearly see that. I would have taken care of it when it came to him not breathing. But Killing another human being is just disgusting. Clementine would have been fine, He was still breathing. And you REALLY think Murdering someone in cold blood is far more disgusting than letting a child die? That is just awful. But, it's your opinion, and You have a right to it.
There is no right or wrong choice. It's how You would deal with the situation if presented to you.
Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe that was him reanimating?
And even if he was still breathing, he wasn't going to live. There was no way to save Larry in that situation, and the group had nowhere to hide or anyway to defend themselves from a 6 foot overweight zombie. It's not pleasant to think about, but killing him instead of allowing him to reanimate and kill the whole group, is the better option.
Also it's not always murder to kill someone, such as in self-defense, to save someone else from being killed, accidentally, etc.
There is no better opinion. It's just an opinion...
Five compression's = Breathing.
Less than five = No breathing.
I'm pretty sure he was waking up again, since if you do five compression's he takes a breath and if you don't do five nothing happens. So yea, I'd take that him at least savable and even if he'd die anyway that would still buy the group some time and give Lilly time to say goodbye instead of everything ending abruptly because Kenny couldn't wait.
Thank you Creeping!
He does love to have his mouth wipe open a lot though, I think he's projecting.
I never liked Larry, the fucker would have left me for dead if Kenny hadn't saved me. I don't agree with Kenny a lot, but I'd be more than happy to help kill Larry. Lilly was as abrasive as her father, then tried to backpedal and ask me for help? I didn't like that at all, and seeing she kills my wife Carley, she can fend for herself on the side of the road for all I care.
If I recall correctly, he breathes a little at four compressions, and breaths a bit more at five. Although it is a bit hard to fit in five due to the little time you have. Understandably, I've never made it to six to see what happens before..... you know.....
I never really saw her as abrasive, just tough, which is what you need in a leader of the zombie apocalypse. Of course she isn't always right, but I mean she has good reason to act that way, she's ensuring everyone's survival. While that does get in the way at times, like helping a wounded person you found in the woods, she still has good intentions.
Plus, she seemed to be in complete shock about what she did the moment she shot Carley, it all must have just gone by so fast and she was so upset she just got caught up in the moment. Like with Kenny, I was completely aware she only had the best of intentions, trying to protect the group from a traitor that could at any moment mean the death of everyone around her, the death of the only people she has left in this whole world.
I'm not biased towards her or anything and I like her just as much as every other character, I just see where she's coming from.
So this means Kenny loves killing people... Wow.
I have to be honest and say if I was really in this situation I would likely never do half of what I do in the game, at the end of the day we are sat at a screen having a moral debate, I'm pretty sure half if not more would freeze up in half the scenarios, the bleeding hearts would ditch and kill people and the hardcore people might feel terrible about everything or even be the guy that helps people
Actually, Carley saved me. If I'd save Doug, Mark would have saved me, giving him the axe.
True. But that does not mean he helped other players. Either way, He's just like Lee if you think about it.
It is my eternal regret that I already knew what would happen before I start playing the game. If I played the episode before knowing about it, I would have probably have tried to help Larry.
And I would probably having some intense heartbeat and emotions during the scene.
Game-mechanic wise maybe. Definitely not for real, remember what he said after killing Larry?
I tried to save him, but before trying I asked myself, "do I really want to save that piece of shit", but in the end I decide that we need the more survivors possible in our group. But even if Kenny is my best bro, I think he wasn't agreing with me in that scene.
My thoughts generally at the moment...
Dafuk Kenny? I can't kill him infront of Lilly and Clem.
But If I don't kill him, He'll kill us including Lilly and Clem.
But I still can't kill him! His daughter is right there!
No I have to kill him, or he'll kill his daughter!
Killing a guy is wrong.
Letting him kill them is even more wrong. Should I take the chance to revive him?
I should take a chance. If I succeed in reviving him none of us die.
But if I try that and fail, we all die! What are the chances that a miracle revival happens?
If I kill him infront of Clem, she'll get the wrong idea...
But that won't matter if Clem dies.
I should save him, Lilly is better off dead than to see her father die.
But in that situation all of us will die also, Clem included.
AAAAAARGH!!!!!!
Or something along those lines. In the end I killed Larry. The big decider for me was that Larry was a towering powerhouse. And that if he woke up a walker. Then at that point there'd be no putting him to sleep again.
I don't get along well with overly tough people even in real life, but even I can admit she had a point about how foolish it was to make noises with gunfire and almost bring zombies inside just to help a group of strangers.
I don't ENTIRELY dislike Lilly, it's more her dad Larry I couldn't stand at all. Her paranoia rubbed me the wrong way in Episode 3, but I forget what we did to Larry in episode 2, it could definitely ruin a persons mind to see that. It's a bit of a shame, too, I might have changed my opinion of her if she could be allowed to stay if you choose not to abandon her, since she steals the RV and there's no chance for her character to develop or redeem.
You do bring up a good point, though. I'm just still sore about the death of Carley, I guess. :v
We all are..... ;~;
I'm not! I always saved doug.
At first I was like "Aw man, if we squash his head some of it might get on my shoes." Then I realized that Larry wouldn't be needing his shoes anymore, so I sided with Kenny.
Kidding, kidding, I was stressing the Hell out.
What, so you're not sad about her death in the drug store and regret not saving her?~
And the stranger in episode 5 can have either 1, 2 or 3 bullets in his gun, depending on your choices during that scene for no explainable reason that can be justified in any rational way
I don't know if things that can happen in different playthroughs can be reliably used as evidence of... anything really
I think the only reason why TT made it the gun carry 1, 2 or 3 bullets is to find a way for Clementine to get her own gun to teach her how to survive in Lee's final moments.
I mean, that's the only way I can justify it.
You know, when I think about it more in depth, I have a love/hate relationship with this whole scene
Part of me feels that they did a good job making an ambiguous choice, but part of me thinks they didn't
Part of me thinks they fell too much on the side of him potentially being alive, which really skewers and kind of ruins the whole intent of the scene
Part of me thinks having Larry 'breathe' upon the chest compressions just ends up making the scene appear too black and white when it's intended to sit heavily in the grey area
In fact, the fact that the Larry choice is a 35/65 split even further helps prove that this choice wasn't grey enough. Shouldn't it be balancing out more? Or maybe that's just in an ideal world? Either way, I feel the fact that what seems to be a majority of people are convinced he was actually alive, which just proves that this scene sort of fell flat in terms of presentation.
I really don't know. Subjectively, I felt that they struck that balance well. I could really see both sides of the coin here, and I found it to be a legitimately difficult choice. But the problem would extend beyond personal opinion. If anything, it doesn't seem like there's enough people sitting in that grey area where they can see the situation both ways; it always seems like people sit on either the black or white side of the spectrum when it comes to this choice, which feels like it's counter-intuitive to what they intended when they were designing this scene: either people are convinced he's definitely alive and that Kenny is fully in the wrong, others believe that he is dead and that everyone else is in the definite wrong, then there's an outlier group of people that just hate Larry and used that as the sole, or primary justification for killing him. How many people actually adopted a grey perspective on this situation?
Then again, we're sitting here talking about a video game. It's probably easier for us to justify saving him for the simple fact that we're not in mortal danger. No matter how much you suspend disbelief, there will always be a conscious part of you that recognizes that you're playing a video game. If you try to put yourself in everyone's shoes in that situation, it starts to make more sense. For all intents and purposes, in that situation, you could be about to die. It's easy for us to come up with an explanation or plan, but again, we have the luxury of not being in danger. We're sitting in a nice comfy room (well, most of us probably), not in any sort of danger or under any sort of stress. We have all the time in the world to propose a solution, and we have the benefit of being able to pause the game and think about things. Those are a giant series of safety-nets for us, and it's hardly applicable to being in a scenario even remotely similar to the one presented in game.
If you were in a locked room by a cannibalistic family that's planning on killing and eating you, in the middle of an apocalypse where corpses are already up and eating people, and you just learned hours earlier that anyone that dies comes back as one of them, and someone in your group falls to the floor without a pulse, do you honestly think you'd still be that confident about saving him, or even be believing beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's alive? I mean, try really really REALLY hard to picture yourself in that exact scenario, under all of the same stress these characters would be in at that exact moment. You can't say with any degree of certainty that anything you posted here is indicative in any way as to what you'd actually do, and how your actual thought-process at the time would work.
It's easy to sit here and say "no way I'd murder an unconscious man!" but I can bet that anyone that says that would legitimately consider killing him in that exact scenario, or that the thought would at the very least cross their mind. It's easy to stand on the moral high-ground until their are legitimate life-threatening stakes in real life, then we're all back in the gutter together.
People do dumb shit when they're panicking, when they're fearing for their own lives. People don't think straight. But us? The people playing this game while sitting back in a chair? We aren't panicking over anything, because we have nothing happening to elicit such a concentrated response like that. At best we have an elevated heart-rate and we're all like "ohshitohshitohshit", but that's about it. I've felt more legitimate fear nearly being in a car crash (one that would have been non-fatal, at that) than I ever did in a video game, or any piece of fiction for that matter. I have a fear of bees/wasps that has elicited a more intense fear reaction than any piece of fiction ever has.
Not really. I disliked Carley a lot, and Doug was so much more Relatable.
Yeah, but it was still a life. I'm just going to copy and paste what I said in another topic about Doug and Carley:
Plus, if you choose her, you get to tell the group about your past yourself and better your relationship with them. I like Doug as much as Carley, but it's a shame they didn't do more with his character.
Lol you secretly love Kenny
Lol Kenny secretly loves genitalia in his mouth.
THANK YOU Deltino! I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Some people are so quick to say they wouldn't do what Kenny did, maybe not in the way he did it but in a possible threatening situation, i cannot honestly accept or think people wouldn't do something to keep them all alive instead of taking a risk to save a guy who could turn at any moment if dead. Larry wouldn't do the same for you if it was the other way around either. It's like you said, we are all all playing a game in a room sitting at a desk, we are not in that situation these characters are but if we were i think there wouldn't be many people staying calm knowing they may all die at any moment.
Thanks for the post
Man, I barely even remember making this post
I don't know if I agree with myself about the first half anymore, though
It scared the $#!+ outta me.
That's not awkward at all.
Could you tell us how your views have changed on this subject? I am very curious. And I'm on mobile at the moment so I don't know what the half of your post looks like.
(?) BetterToSleep will remember your silence.
Lol
What the fuck is this post? When did I make this shit and why?