I just need to see what happens to Clementine. I don't understand those people who say "her story ended". Of course it didn't, season 2 had like 6 different endings! It's the biggest cliffhanger in the whole series so far! What happens next?
No need to welcome me, I have been a fan of the Comics way before the Telltale Games. And I know how common and how often even important character die in the franchise. I even have heard Kirkman saying that Rick will die before the end. However, he certainly won't to it until close before the end of the Series, I am very sure. Because Rick is the face of the Comic Series, just as Clementine is the face of Telltales TWD. So just as unlikely as Kirkman having Rick killed in the next Comic, just as unlikely it is for Clem to die in the next season. The way I see it, the Comic Series is about Rick's change from a goodhearted fellow who tries to help everyone to a cold person who does everything to keep his group alive. Just as Telltales TWD is about Clem becoming colder and more ruthless.
And I disagree with the "if we wanted to fall in love with telltale and their storytelling again, we have to stop caring about clem so much and move to the next story". Why? Why can't I love Telltale when Clem is the protagonist again? In fact, I will probably like them less if Clem isn't the protagonist, and while I can't speak for the majority (though I do think that my opinion is shared by the majority), I know many people who think like me too.
Especially with Clem and AJ pssibly alone, I believe it is only the beginning of Clems story.
Welcome to The Walking Dead, where there is no hope and everyone dies. Until Kirkman ends his comic or show in a way that labels hope for hu… moremanity, the basis of the story is that you survive as long as possible until you can't.
But I also thought of many different scenarios that could happen in season 3 that includes clem. But if we wanted to fall in love with telltale and their storytelling again, we have to stop caring about clem so much and move to the next story. But then again, they could make it work... Im not sure
I think the beginning of S3 should take place in the ending of S2, like we the players have to re-do our choice or whatever. I don't know why and I don't see the point but I just think it would have been cool.
Really in a nutshell, the endings showcase Clementines loyalty to what side of survivalism in this new world she took:
With Jane: The evil, selfish, and completely 100% alone survivor. I mean seriously, Jane even gave her the choice to leave an innocent family or take them in, instead of taking the choice herself she asks Clem ''nah I dont care, its up to you, an 11 year old''
With kenny: Clementine is still Clementine, and she still keeps herself up and doesn't lose herself or her originality. In this case, its the opposite to Jane's ending; once you enter with Kenny, he selflessly tells them to take Clem and AJ with them and leave him, just to get them to safety.
Alone with AJ: this reflects the cold, depressing, and sad ending. She is alone with a baby and no one to take care of her or AJ. She takes responsibility herself and says F you to everyone.
If you think about it, all these endings will reflect her personality in Season 3. It's really interesting to see how it goes and I really hope S3 will be as large as it's said to be.
another thing I thought about...
Would someone like a character similar to Lee that meets Clem and it affects her? Kind of like Ellie to Joel in TLOU... It would be very cool...
With Jane: The evil, selfish, and completely 100% alone survivor. I mean seriously, Jane even gave her the choice to leave an innocent family or take them in, instead of taking the choice herself she asks Clem ''nah I dont care, its up to you, an 11 year old''
With Kenny: Clementine is still Clementine, and she still keeps herself up and doesn't lose herself or her originality. In this case, its the opposite to Jane's ending; once you enter with Kenny, he selflessly tells them to take Clem and AJ with them and leave him, just to get them to safety.
Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
Clementine NOT will became angry and evil with Jane. I think it's Clementine will change Jane and open in her even more good qualities and more compassion.
The whole point of the ending was who you were with and who was gunna be Clems next influence after Lee, if you chose Jane, then that is what Clem will be because Jane will teach her her way of surviving. Remember, Clem is still a kid.
Although you could be right, anything could change in the future but as of now - if you chose Jane, Clem won't be such a nice person. She will only think of her, jane and Aj as the priority and no one else. What if some innocent kid comes stumbling upon the hardware store, and Clem just points the gun at the kid cold bloodedly and says ''get out of here''. I would not have done that.
Also another thing to point out, the ending also reflects the players moral judgement. Would we just judge some guy like Kenny who naturally acted the way he did in that situation, and that situation only and kill him, or give him a chance to redeem? Jane wanted her to look innocent, but deep down Jane is the bigger bad. She is a snake, while Kenny was just a depressed lion, or tiger.
With Jane: The evil, selfish, and completely 100% alone survivor. I mean seriously, Jane even gave her the choice to leave an innocent famil… morey or take them in, instead of taking the choice herself she asks Clem ''nah I dont care, its up to you, an 11 year old''
With Kenny: Clementine is still Clementine, and she still keeps herself up and doesn't lose herself or her originality. In this case, its the opposite to Jane's ending; once you enter with Kenny, he selflessly tells them to take Clem and AJ with them and leave him, just to get them to safety.
Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
Clementine NOT will became angry and evil with Jane. I think it's Clementine will change Jane and open in her even more good qualities and more compassion.
Although you could be right, anything could change in the future but as of now - if you chose Jane, Clem won't be such a nice person. She will only think of her, jane and Aj as the priority and no one else. What if some innocent kid comes stumbling upon the hardware store, and Clem just points the gun at the kid cold bloodedly and says ''get out of here''. I would not have done that.
Sorry, but you do not know about it. You do not know the influence of the endings. I do not think that Clem would be a bad because that she went with Jane. And is it in the final scene shows us that Jane is abd and Kenny good? No.
Jane wanted her to look innocent, but deep down Jane is the bigger bad. She is a snake, while Kenny was just a depressed lion, or tiger.
NO. Don't forget what Lee said in Clementine's dream. This is not mathematics, sometimes there is no right answer. Kenny and Jane - two good people who have lost close people with good and bad qualities, but you either to get rid Kenny from suffering and save Jane or leave them and go alone.
The whole point of the ending was who you were with and who was gunna be Clems next influence after Lee, if you chose Jane, then that is wh… moreat Clem will be because Jane will teach her her way of surviving. Remember, Clem is still a kid.
Although you could be right, anything could change in the future but as of now - if you chose Jane, Clem won't be such a nice person. She will only think of her, jane and Aj as the priority and no one else. What if some innocent kid comes stumbling upon the hardware store, and Clem just points the gun at the kid cold bloodedly and says ''get out of here''. I would not have done that.
Also another thing to point out, the ending also reflects the players moral judgement. Would we just judge some guy like Kenny who naturally acted the way he did in that situation, and that situation only and kill him, or give him a chance to redeem? Jane wanted her to look innocent, but deep down Jane is the bigger bad. She is a snake, while Kenny was just a depressed lion, or tiger.
I agree! and the fact that she returned to the group is already evidence of this internal change.
Clem and Jane will learn a lot from each other. Jane will teach everything Clem need's to know about survival ( like the "cow catcher" thing. ). and Clem will show to Jane. that despite everything that the world has become, it's still worth trust people and give them a chance to prove it.
With Jane: The evil, selfish, and completely 100% alone survivor. I mean seriously, Jane even gave her the choice to leave an innocent famil… morey or take them in, instead of taking the choice herself she asks Clem ''nah I dont care, its up to you, an 11 year old''
With Kenny: Clementine is still Clementine, and she still keeps herself up and doesn't lose herself or her originality. In this case, its the opposite to Jane's ending; once you enter with Kenny, he selflessly tells them to take Clem and AJ with them and leave him, just to get them to safety.
Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
Clementine NOT will became angry and evil with Jane. I think it's Clementine will change Jane and open in her even more good qualities and more compassion.
I agree! and the fact that she returned to the group is already evidence of this internal change.
Clem and Jane will learn a lot from eac… moreh other. Jane will teach everything Clem need's to know about survival ( like the "cow catcher" thing. ). and Clem will show to Jane. that despite everything that the world has become, it's still worth trust people and give them a chance to prove it.
You're missing the point again, are you even listening or just being a fanboy? (no offense)
You're letting that be the factor of your judgement, you alongside many people always want a happy ending and outcome but that is BS. It's not always gunna be a happy outcome, was Lee's end a happy outcome? Nope. If you know anything about TWD, you know that the black door can be opened MANY times and it has in the comics, games, and TV series.
The whole point was; we would drop our guard and judge Kenny completely on what he did which was going crazy on Jane; and see Jane as the good person because she was calm. That's not the case; you need to you see OUTSIDE the box. And in this case, she was the evil one. Them showing Lee saying that this is not mathematics is just for us to ONCE AGAIN be blinded for what we have seen and get lazy, and then do the wrong decision. It was for us, the players to finally become something bad. And telltale was successful, there is more players who went with jane than Kenny (see the game statistics for S2).
Jane had her chance to redeem, instead she let her urge of wanting another sister consume her (Clem, in this case) and she did a very crazy and fucked up thing with AJ, just like Joel did with Ellie in TLOU. Now that everything is safe, she will teach Clem HER own way of how to survive in this new world, and that is not just cow catching, but to also CONSUME Clem of making these decisions of either leaving an innocent family behind or do some other fucked up shit like stealing food from another person or group, etc. The WRONG influence, an influence I don't want to happen to her.
Kenny's influence is a no show; he already sacrificed himself for Clem and AJ to have a better life in Wellington; or agree with her that she should go alone with AJ because he was too dangerous. Will she realise this as something important when she is older? Yup. But with Jane, she is growing up to adulthood with doing these fucked up dangerous decisions, and she will see this as the RIGHT thing to do when it clearly (atleast to my morality) is NOT.
Now of course, anything of what I am saying could not happen and Clem could realise that Jane is dangerous, but fact remains that Jane is not a nice person. At all. In fact, she can be compared to many of the villains of TWD; because she is a villain by heart. She will teach Clem that the only important people in this world is her, Clem, and AJ and only think like this one dimensionally. Even if you did take the family in, Jane will seperate herself, Clem and AJ from them. If it wasn't for this and what I said, why would telltale even put a random family to bump onto them on the first place? It was to show us the dark morality of players.
Kenny's ending is the right ending for me, because there, she will still be treated as an 11 year old and not make life threatening decisions.... Obviously something that was still there with her when Lee was around, that is what she needs.
Although you could be right, anything could change in the future but as of now - if you chose Jane, Clem won't be such a nice person. She wi… morell only think of her, jane and Aj as the priority and no one else. What if some innocent kid comes stumbling upon the hardware store, and Clem just points the gun at the kid cold bloodedly and says ''get out of here''. I would not have done that.
Sorry, but you do not know about it. You do not know the influence of the endings. I do not think that Clem would be a bad because that she went with Jane. And is it in the final scene shows us that Jane is abd and Kenny good? No.
Jane wanted her to look innocent, but deep down Jane is the bigger bad. She is a snake, while Kenny was just a depressed lion, or tiger.
NO. Don't forget what Lee said in Clementine's dream. This is not mathematics, sometimes there is no right answer. Kenny and Jane - two good people who have lost close people with… [view original content]
For Clementine. Because Jane couldn't live with herself without another sister. Did you even notice how quickly she escalated with the death of alot of characters that happened and how the group disbanded? And when Kenny went out of the truck to check the other cars how quickly she saw the oppertunity to leave alone with Clementine as sisters, or when things got fucked up and she just left AJ in a car because he was a distraction between her having a sister again? Or how she continued trying to kill Kenny instead of stopping and saying AJ was in a car OR FREAKING BRING AJ IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF PLACING HIM IN A F'ING CAR (oh and Kenny mentioned this himself).
In the end, she wanted to be ALONE with Clementine. AJ is only there because Clem wants it. Jane could give two f**ks about AJ, its all about her and Clem..
As sisters.
Now disagree all you want but you should know this is a fact. Like I mentioned in my previous comment, this is the Walking Dead. Not everything is a happy ending.
I agree! and the fact that she returned to the group is already evidence of this internal change.
Clem and Jane will learn a lot from eac… moreh other. Jane will teach everything Clem need's to know about survival ( like the "cow catcher" thing. ). and Clem will show to Jane. that despite everything that the world has become, it's still worth trust people and give them a chance to prove it.
What do you think Clem and mainly AJ mean for Kenny? right: Duck! ( remember the "..pass me that can, Duck." line? so yeah, that's a fact.) then I would say that I agree with you about the fact that Jane see Clem as her sister, but Kenny is no different at all.. and he takes AJ to himself even when rebeca is still alive and she needs to scream at him to return the baby to her.
And when Kenny went out of the truck to check the other cars how quickly she saw the opportunity to leave alone with Clementine..
As I said in my other comments. Jane was trying to get away from Kenny because he was no longer someone safe to be around. when she said to Clem: "- Don't you ever want to know what it's like to live your own life?" she is referring to the fact that Kenny is not reasonable anymore. and would drag them with him even if it meant ending up in a cold death in an attempt to find a place he didn't even know or had the slightest idea where it was, or if it really existed at that time.
..and she was not the only person to think so. the entire group was unanimous. (and this is another fact ..)
or when things got fucked up and she just left AJ in a car because he was a distraction between her having a sister again?
Again. she was trying to show to Clem what Kenny had become. and since Kenny was no longer accepting other opnion that was not his own, she was forced to "forge" an accident so that Clem could see with her own eyes how dangerously unstable he was. ( and he admits that he no longer trusts himself to take care of them at the end.)
If AJ was a distraction between Jane and Clem, or something that supposedly messed up a fraternal relationship that she could have with her. she simply would have killed AJ..
Or how she continued trying to kill Kenny instead of stopping and saying AJ was in a car.
I think it was actually the opposite. she was saying that "accidentally" lost the baby in the snow and Kenny automatically assumed she murdered him and decided to kill her. at that time, even if she had said that AJ was alive Kenny wouldn't have stopped because he was out of control. he'd already decided in his mind that Jane was a baby-killer and deserved to die.. and that was exactly what she wanted Clem to witness.
Who guarantees that he couldn't have done something to Clem. if SHE instead were guilty of an supposed "accident". dont forget that when Clem tried to help Sarita he automatically lost control and literally left her alone in the middle of a horde of walkers. and I will speak again: He left her there..alone!
Actually, I think you'll find Jane tried to apologise to Kenny for the argument. "Kenny I'm-" Kenny interrupts "I'll go check this out you girls wait inside."
What do you think Clem and mainly AJ mean for Kenny? right: Duck! ( remember the "..pass me that can, Duck." line? so yeah, that's a fact.) … morethen I would say that I agree with you about the fact that Jane see Clem as her sister, but Kenny is no different at all.. and he takes AJ to himself even when rebeca is still alive and she needs to scream at him to return the baby to her.
And when Kenny went out of the truck to check the other cars how quickly she saw the opportunity to leave alone with Clementine..
As I said in my other comments. Jane was trying to get away from Kenny because he was no longer someone safe to be around. when she said to Clem: "- Don't you ever want to know what it's like to live your own life?" she is referring to the fact that Kenny is not reasonable anymore. and would drag them with him even if it meant ending up in a cold death in an attempt to find a place he didn't even know or had the slightest idea w… [view original content]
Yes. But it still doesn't disregard the fact that he was selfish and arrogant. he was like: My way or the highway. from the moment he lost Sarita.
things like: "I believe that Wellington exists, so let's all go there." or "I fixed this truck, so I say to where we need to go. even if Howe's is still there, and we all know where it is, we know that it still has food and formula, we know that Carver is dead and his people probably died or fled."
..he simply proclaimed himself the leader of the group, and he doesn't care if you don't agree with that.
Actually, I think you'll find Jane tried to apologise to Kenny for the argument. "Kenny I'm-" Kenny interrupts "I'll go check this out you girls wait inside."
No it wasn't because of Duck, you can't think of a son when you see a female, Clem is a woman and Duck was a boy so how the hell would he say that as in she would be like the next Duck? Maybe if it was a boy, but that doesn't work if its a female. Once again, same thing with Joel and Ellie. If Ellie was a guy, Joel would not find that sense of kind of having his daughter again because he never had a son.. Kenny never had a daughter. He said that because it accidentally passed his mind or Clem reminded him of the days when Duck was still alive.
You have a good point about Jane leaving Kenny because of that, but I don't believe it. That was the only way to convince Clem that he was 'dangerous', she couldn't just force Clem to go without Kenny. Especially if you chose to be mean to Jane a few times before; ignoring her, saying the negative options, etc etc etc.... Jane wanted that to be the main thing that would consume Clem and change her mind, when the same thing would happen if Clem lived with Jane... She would not live her own life, lol.
Like I said, it was a part of her genius plan of having Clementine has her sister, again... And what do you mean her KILLING AJ? That is completely stupid, it would ruin everything. There is a reason she didn't kill him, because if she did, Clementine would have either known and never been with Jane. Even if Jane used some excuse like ''oh he got bit by a walker'' how would that be possible? She was holding him, the only way of Jane losing AJ at that time would be if she just threw him. Either way, AJ being dead = Clem never being with Jane.
Nope you are completely wrong. Did you even see what I said earlier? Kenny MENTIONED that the entire fight would have stopped completely had she said AJ was alive in the car, or better yet not done anything. Kenny literally believed that AJ was completely 100% dead, I am sure nobody would know how it feels knowing a baby is dead and not even find the body. He was calm when they found the baby in the car, don't forget that either. Would he have been angry? Sure, anyone would be at that point. Why the hell would you put a baby's life at the risk by putting him in a car? Wtf.
About your point if it was Clem, would it have been any different if it was Jane? Nope, it wouldn't... BECAUSE SHE WANTS CLEM AS HER SISTER. Your point was that Kenny wanted clem as her next ''Duck'', that would have made no sense at all if he just killed her. Did he kill her or punch her or anything when Sarita died? Nope. And why would you imagine this being a situation with Clementine? You're just jumping to a horrible imagination, Clem would never do such a thing to AJ.
Ah and did I forget to mention, he didn't leave Clem alone. the heard of walkers was gunna kill them all had Kenny not shut up, and they got closer and got seperated from there. Remember, one of the key-stuff that happened with the heard was that EVERYONE was seperated, not leaving someone alone. Clem was alone because of the heard, not Kenny leaving her. Nobody would have left anyone if you could just calmly walk by the walkers in a heard.
What do you think Clem and mainly AJ mean for Kenny? right: Duck! ( remember the "..pass me that can, Duck." line? so yeah, that's a fact.) … morethen I would say that I agree with you about the fact that Jane see Clem as her sister, but Kenny is no different at all.. and he takes AJ to himself even when rebeca is still alive and she needs to scream at him to return the baby to her.
And when Kenny went out of the truck to check the other cars how quickly she saw the opportunity to leave alone with Clementine..
As I said in my other comments. Jane was trying to get away from Kenny because he was no longer someone safe to be around. when she said to Clem: "- Don't you ever want to know what it's like to live your own life?" she is referring to the fact that Kenny is not reasonable anymore. and would drag them with him even if it meant ending up in a cold death in an attempt to find a place he didn't even know or had the slightest idea w… [view original content]
Good point, but why did she completely get angry at him and call him an asshole right after he went out? Didn't make sense at all, it seemed like she was faking, or a developers oversight.
Actually, I think you'll find Jane tried to apologise to Kenny for the argument. "Kenny I'm-" Kenny interrupts "I'll go check this out you girls wait inside."
That was because he was consumed to the fact that he needed clem and AJ safe in Wellington and he was desperate, if I was in his shoes I would have been too. And,.. Well it may be hard for you, but he did kinda fix the truck wether you like it or not.... Lol.
All and all his focus was mostly on Clem and AJ, it may have been selfish.. But was it worst than shooting an eleven year old with a rifle, or leaving like a coward because you're too lazy to go to somewhere that may be long distance, steal all the supplies, and try to take the truck too?
Yes. But it still doesn't disregard the fact that he was selfish and arrogant. he was like: My way or the highway. from the moment he lost S… morearita.
things like: "I believe that Wellington exists, so let's all go there." or "I fixed this truck, so I say to where we need to go. even if Howe's is still there, and we all know where it is, we know that it still has food and formula, we know that Carver is dead and his people probably died or fled."
..he simply proclaimed himself the leader of the group, and he doesn't care if you don't agree with that.
No it wasn't because of Duck, you can't think of a son when you see a female, Clem is a woman and Duck was a boy so how the hell would he say that as in she would be like the next Duck? Maybe if it was a boy, but that doesn't work if its a female.
What!??? Since when sexual gender defines a paternal/maternal relationship? it has absolutely nothing to do with appearance. you are just trying to justify the fact that Kenny also sought in Clem a way to redeem himself for what happened to his son..
You have a good point about Jane leaving Kenny because of that, but I don't believe it. That was the only way to convince Clem that he was 'dangerous', she couldn't just force Clem to go without Kenny. Especially if you chose to be mean to Jane a few times before; ignoring her, saying the negative options, etc etc etc....
I'll say it again. the ENTIRE group was unanimous about Kenny's toxic behavior. you can not argue with that. not believe in a fact is different from not want to see a fact..
Like I said, it was a part of her genius plan of having Clementine has her sister, again... And what do you mean her KILLING AJ? That is completely stupid, it would ruin everything. There is a reason she didn't kill him, because if she did, Clementine would have either known and never been with Jane.
Well, now you're contradicting yourself. first you say that the fact that she had gotten rid of AJ was because he was a distraction. now you say she could never have gotten rid of AJ as this would be completely stupid? and magically Clem would know what happened and wouldn't follow her because of that?
Kenny MENTIONED that the entire fight would have stopped completely had she said AJ was alive in the car, or better yet not done anything. Kenny literally believed that AJ was completely 100% dead
Nah! he was just covering up the fact that he didn't have the mental capacity to just talk to Jane about what had happened. instead he automatically assumed that the "accident" meant killing.. as you said. in his disturbed state he literally believed that AJ was 100% dead. and no matter what you say. he would want to kill you.
Your point was that Kenny wanted clem as her next ''Duck'', that would have made no sense at all if he just killed her. Did he kill her or punch her or anything when Sarita died? Nope. And why would you imagine this being a situation with Clementine? You're just jumping to a horrible imagination, Clem would never do such a thing to AJ.
Again, you failed to understand. I never said Clem purposely would harm AJ. I was just illustrating on the fact that Kenny, in its unstable state. could make a decision that harmed Clem and even put her life at risk. as he did when she tried to help Sarita and ended up accidentally making things worse. so... AJ being the most important thing for him. if Clem accidentally lost AJ for the walkers. there would be a great chance for Kenny to lose control and do something irresponsible and dangerous to her.
he didn't leave Clem alone. the heard of walkers was gunna kill them all had Kenny not shut up, and they got closer and got seperated from there.
You don't let a 11yo alone in the middle of a horde of walkers. Lee would never do that. in fact, Lee even entered a horde of walkers to be able to get to her. and then. properly escort her out. Kenny could simply have done the same thing. but he was too busy going nuclear..
I respect your opinion, but I will always stick to their own. Lee words it was not just. There is no right answer. Someone went to Kenny, and someone with Jane, and some one - each chose their way, and neither of them is happy and I never said that.
jesus H himself.... I don't even know if I can argue anymore. You've ignored like 68% of my comments and you misunderstood most of them. I'm gunna try to keep it as short as possible.
NO I am not trying to justify anything, this is a fact and it's true. Sexual gender does affect that relationship, especially when Kenny already knew Clem back before when Duck was still around. Enough said with that.
2.Lmao.... That was the whole point. We were gunna see kenny as the bad guy because everyone was afraid of him, and then we would kill him and think to ourselfs it was the right thing, and then we end up with jane or alone.. Misjudging, that was the whole point of it. Kenny, a guy who is shown to be a bad guy because of what he has been through (but in heart only wants whats best). And the group thinking he is a 'toxic' was only a part of it, I told you to try think outside the box. You didn't.
I didn't contradict myself. See, this is where either you misunderstood, or you are tangling everything on me just to argue and look good. I never said it was a fact, I said it could have either happened in a hypothesis, or that she didn't care about AJ. The only reason AJ is still there in Janes eyes is because Clem wants it, Jane doesn't care about him. She could kill him (which she nearly did), but she does not.
No he wasn't ''covering''' up any facts about anything. And him not having the mental capacity to talk to jane would not matter at all. Jane was ready for him to strike, if he did talk it would not go anywhere. Anyone in Kenny's shoes would do what he did, once again you ignored my comment. How would Jane just lose a child from her hands like that? It would not make any sense. The only sensible way was that she threw him off, an accident? How? Oh yeah, the walkers just chose to eat baby flesh instead of Jane's, or better yet, Jane accidentally slipped and broke AJ in half.
And in that sense, what? Irresponsible and dangerous? I cant see anything outside from harming her, screaming untill Clementine is deaf? Lmao, there is only one way he would do something thats dangerous for her and that is hit her or something like that. And what do you mean he accidentally did something with Sarita when Clem tried to help her? What? When? When she got bitten? You're gunna have to explain more, I don't recall him doing anything, either he called Clem a stupid kid in the herd, or yelled at her at that drop off place.
Herd was different, more walkers + more people + people shooting = drawing MORE walkers, and having to walk slower, and in the process having to split.... Not too hard to figure it out. And please, for the love of god don't use Lee as an excuse. Lee is not a magical angel who can help and save everyone, he would have been split too in that herd. Hell, he proabably would have died because he would yell for clementine and draw attention judging by his personality.
No it wasn't because of Duck, you can't think of a son when you see a female, Clem is a woman and Duck was a boy so how the hell would he sa… morey that as in she would be like the next Duck? Maybe if it was a boy, but that doesn't work if its a female.
What!??? Since when sexual gender defines a paternal/maternal relationship? it has absolutely nothing to do with appearance. you are just trying to justify the fact that Kenny also sought in Clem a way to redeem himself for what happened to his son..
You have a good point about Jane leaving Kenny because of that, but I don't believe it. That was the only way to convince Clem that he was 'dangerous', she couldn't just force Clem to go without Kenny. Especially if you chose to be mean to Jane a few times before; ignoring her, saying the negative options, etc etc etc....
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That was because he was consumed to the fact that he needed clem and AJ safe in Wellington.
Exactly. and he was so consumed that not even asked her if it was really what she wanted. or the other members of the group. Clem can think for herself, and Kenny is not her father.
The fact that he repaired the truck was great. but that doesn't give him the right to impose his will on others. I don't deny that Kenny has many qualities. but I also can not deny his defects either. I will not absolve everything he did and just say: - It's okay Kenny! after all, you are Kenny. all these people around are surely wrong, or are plotting against us..
I agree with you about Arvo shooting Clem. that was terrible of him. but you are ignoring the fact that Arvo thought Clem had murdered his sister in cold blood, when in fact she had already become a walker at the time. he acted out of crazy revenge.
Mike and Bonnie no longer wanted to be with Kenny for obvious reasons. despite the act of stealing supplies and the truck being completely unfair. I can understand their motivations for abandoning him.
I mean, I think it's too easy to blame others when you don't even bother to understand their side of the story.
That was because he was consumed to the fact that he needed clem and AJ safe in Wellington and he was desperate, if I was in his shoes I wou… moreld have been too. And,.. Well it may be hard for you, but he did kinda fix the truck wether you like it or not.... Lol.
All and all his focus was mostly on Clem and AJ, it may have been selfish.. But was it worst than shooting an eleven year old with a rifle, or leaving like a coward because you're too lazy to go to somewhere that may be long distance, steal all the supplies, and try to take the truck too?
NO I am not trying to justify anything, this is a fact and it's true.
Well. That's your opinion, and is speculative. then you can not prove it..
Lmao.... That was the whole point. We were gunna see kenny as the bad guy because everyone was afraid of him, and then we would kill him and think to ourselfs it was the right thing, and then we end up with jane or alone.. Misjudging, that was the whole point of it.
There is no such "this was the whole point" thing. make biased choices is not the goal of TT. all that exists is only: your choice. unless you're a fanboy and start inventing pretexts to justify everything that happens. I think you are the one who needs to think outside the box here.
I didn't contradict myself. See, this is where either you misunderstood, or you are tangling everything on me just to argue and look good.
Nothing that I can answer here. and you replied against something you wrote yourself. I just pointed out the issue. and YES, you contradicted yourself. go read your comment..
How would Jane just lose a child from her hands like that? It would not make any sense.
Eer.. Walkers!? It's not that hard to imagine.. lol
And in that sense, what? Irresponsible and dangerous? I cant see anything outside from harming her, screaming untill Clementine is deaf? Lmao, there is only one way he would do something thats dangerous for her and that is hit her or something like that. And what do you mean he accidentally did something with Sarita when Clem tried to help her? What? When? When she got bitten? You're gunna have to explain more.
You know how to read a comment right? because I'm starting to doubt you can. or else you are trolling..
Herd was different, more walkers + more people + people shooting = drawing MORE walkers, and having to walk slower, and in the process having to split.... Not too hard to figure it out.
Still.. you don't leave a child alone in a herd of walkers. it's out of question.
Ok you're a fanboy, or a troll, or both, or a keyboard warrior, or all three.
Just to point at, the end end ''still.... you dont leave a child alone in a ''herd'' of walkers''
Did you even READ my comment? You're copying of what I am saying, I did read your comment. You obviously did not read mine. You're a Lee Everett fanboy who proabably thinks he is a god or something, you still have no argument against that.
NO I am not trying to justify anything, this is a fact and it's true.
Well. That's your opinion, and is speculative. then you can no… moret prove it..
Lmao.... That was the whole point. We were gunna see kenny as the bad guy because everyone was afraid of him, and then we would kill him and think to ourselfs it was the right thing, and then we end up with jane or alone.. Misjudging, that was the whole point of it.
There is no such "this was the whole point" thing. make biased choices is not the goal of TT. all that exists is only: your choice. unless you're a fanboy and start inventing pretexts to justify everything that happens. I think you are the one who needs to think outside the box here.
I didn't contradict myself. See, this is where either you misunderstood, or you are tangling everything on me just to argue and look good.
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Rather than being 'soon', it will be 'never' unless telltale pull their finger out and get Season Three released.
Point is the hype they created has vastly diminished already. Earlier in the year, people were clamouring for the continuing story of Clementine. Now though, apart from a few die hard fans, most have moved onto something else.
If they don't get Season Three sorted out and I hate to use the word 'soon', then they will lose the entire fanbase and it will be extremely difficult to get people back if and when they do release Season Three.
Sorry dude. unfortunately for you I'm not a fanboy, or troll... keyboard warrior? I like that name!
And I'm reading your comments. in fact, I'm quoting it so you can analise how much they make no sense. although it was clear that in your mind this is the whole truth, it's "the whole point", and it's a fact. even though you can not prove anything, and your arguments, ops.. I mean, your opinions. are completely flawed and controversial. you don't care if you're contradicting yourself. because after all that's your opinion. and that's all that matters.
You are doing a pretty great job being "Kennyish". Thank you for pointing that out to the community.
Ok you're a fanboy, or a troll, or both, or a keyboard warrior, or all three.
Just to point at, the end end ''still.... you dont leave a … morechild alone in a ''herd'' of walkers''
Did you even READ my comment? You're copying of what I am saying, I did read your comment. You obviously did not read mine. You're a Lee Everett fanboy who proabably thinks he is a god or something, you still have no argument against that.
As much as I want S03 to be released as soon as possible. I don't want them to rush it either, so I'm inclined to wait.
I think quite unlikely that they'll lose all their fanbase. I mean. if that were the case. Blizzard would have already closed their doors long, long ago. another example is Half Life. people are still anxious and biting their nails for the release of the third game. even after nearly 10 years!! If you think about it that way. even if TT just launched S03 in 2020 much of the fanbase would still be standing and hyped about it. I surely still would be.
Rather than being 'soon', it will be 'never' unless telltale pull their finger out and get Season Three released.
Point is the hype they c… morereated has vastly diminished already. Earlier in the year, people were clamouring for the continuing story of Clementine. Now though, apart from a few die hard fans, most have moved onto something else.
If they don't get Season Three sorted out and I hate to use the word 'soon', then they will lose the entire fanbase and it will be extremely difficult to get people back if and when they do release Season Three.
Haha, yeah in my mind. As much as in your mind, Jane is the right one and everything is gunna be fine and dandy with the Jane ending, when in reality all TWD should know that bad things can happen anytime.
You're gunna have to explain how my opinions (thanks for pointing that out) make no sense. In fact, if my opinions aren't facts, the same thing goes with you. There are no facts, its all opinions. That's what seperates TWD from other games, everyone has a different choice when it comes to the ending, etc etc etc. For me, its a fact that the kenny ending is the better one and Jane is a evil biatch. For you, well for you it just happens to be the opposite.
And sorry but I don't know what you mean with me being kennyish, is that even a word?
Sorry dude. unfortunately for you I'm not a fanboy, or troll... keyboard warrior? I like that name!
And I'm reading your comments. in fac… moret, I'm quoting it so you can analise how much they make no sense. although it was clear that in your mind this is the whole truth, it's "the whole point", and it's a fact. even though you can not prove anything, and your arguments, ops.. I mean, your opinions. are completely flawed and controversial. you don't care if you're contradicting yourself. because after all that's your opinion. and that's all that matters.
You are doing a pretty great job being "Kennyish". Thank you for pointing that out to the community.
Atleast a trailer maybe, a teaser trailer maybe? I mean, I dont hate the fact that the next episode of S3 will be released in 2016, in fact I'm glad they are taking their time and making it huge. But your point is completely right, the longer they go like this, they will lose alot of fans.. They're giving us the Rockstargames treatment.
Rather than being 'soon', it will be 'never' unless telltale pull their finger out and get Season Three released.
Point is the hype they c… morereated has vastly diminished already. Earlier in the year, people were clamouring for the continuing story of Clementine. Now though, apart from a few die hard fans, most have moved onto something else.
If they don't get Season Three sorted out and I hate to use the word 'soon', then they will lose the entire fanbase and it will be extremely difficult to get people back if and when they do release Season Three.
You're gunna have to explain how my opinions (thanks for pointing that out) make no sense.
I can not explain your opinion. as I said, it's your opinion, is what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you .. but I can explain and discuss arguments. and well.. you gave me practically none, just your personal opnion.
In fact, if my opinions aren't facts, the same thing goes with you. There are no facts, its all opinions.
That's where you stumble again. unlike you, I didn't give you my opnion, I presented you arguments. (These are quite different things, in case you don't know..) and FROM these arguments, which CAN be proven based on the analysis of what happened in the game. I built my opinion about the Kenny/Jane topic.
And sorry but I don't know what you mean with me being kennyish, is that even a word?
I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant. or are you really that oblivious? lol
Haha, yeah in my mind. As much as in your mind, Jane is the right one and everything is gunna be fine and dandy with the Jane ending, when i… moren reality all TWD should know that bad things can happen anytime.
You're gunna have to explain how my opinions (thanks for pointing that out) make no sense. In fact, if my opinions aren't facts, the same thing goes with you. There are no facts, its all opinions. That's what seperates TWD from other games, everyone has a different choice when it comes to the ending, etc etc etc. For me, its a fact that the kenny ending is the better one and Jane is a evil biatch. For you, well for you it just happens to be the opposite.
And sorry but I don't know what you mean with me being kennyish, is that even a word?
Telltale don't need to rush it, they are currently working on two final episodes at the moment along with Minecraft Story Mode and the Michonne mini series. When season 3 was announced they said it was a long way off and it wasn't going to release in 2015, The Walking Dead is their most popular franchise in terms of sales and awards so i doubt people will forget about it.
Rather than being 'soon', it will be 'never' unless telltale pull their finger out and get Season Three released.
Point is the hype they c… morereated has vastly diminished already. Earlier in the year, people were clamouring for the continuing story of Clementine. Now though, apart from a few die hard fans, most have moved onto something else.
If they don't get Season Three sorted out and I hate to use the word 'soon', then they will lose the entire fanbase and it will be extremely difficult to get people back if and when they do release Season Three.
Don't forget everyone! It doesn't matter how "rushed" this game is going to be. They actually have to MAKE THE WHOLE THING FROM SCRATCH. Animate characters, get the voice actors in the studio, write the script and story, program decisions, make it look good, fix lighting, etc, etc, etc. Telltale physically CAN'T rush this game, unless they were to say "The game isn't based on choices anymore!" which they wouldn't do. They could be, (and actually probably are), in pre-production as we speak. They are working hard to write the script. And, mind you, THEY HAVE TO CREATE 5 DIFFERENT OPENINGS BASED ON WHAT YOU CHOSE! They have to find out how to make all 5 Clementines end up in the same place with the same people. (Unless they decide to make 5 different games all together, which could also be what they mean by "considerably larger"), but I doubt that. Give them time, and the game will be better. They deliver. They always do. Currently the release date is set for 2016, but I'm not sure. These games take so much time, no matter how big the team.
You are the one that's stumbling man.... All my comments are ARGUMENTS, an opinion in this matter is an ARGUMENT, its the only source you have for an argument in this case. And yes you are gunna have to explain and educate me and MAKE me understand on why you think my opinion makes no sense, because to me they make perfect sense. It's the same thing if I said ''your opinion sucks dick'' you ask why, and I say ''well its your opinion, its what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you''
Yes, you did give your opinion. It's all based on opinion, and from there it becomes an argument.
And nope, I dont understand what you mean with kennyish.
You're gunna have to explain how my opinions (thanks for pointing that out) make no sense.
I can not explain your opinion. as I said… more, it's your opinion, is what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you .. but I can explain and discuss arguments. and well.. you gave me practically none, just your personal opnion.
In fact, if my opinions aren't facts, the same thing goes with you. There are no facts, its all opinions.
That's where you stumble again. unlike you, I didn't give you my opnion, I presented you arguments. (These are quite different things, in case you don't know..) and FROM these arguments, which CAN be proven based on the analysis of what happened in the game. I built my opinion about the Kenny/Jane topic.
And sorry but I don't know what you mean with me being kennyish, is that even a word?
I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant. or are you really that oblivious? lol
Don't forget everyone! It doesn't matter how "rushed" this game is going to be. They actually have to MAKE THE WHOLE THING FROM SCRATCH. Ani… moremate characters, get the voice actors in the studio, write the script and story, program decisions, make it look good, fix lighting, etc, etc, etc. Telltale physically CAN'T rush this game, unless they were to say "The game isn't based on choices anymore!" which they wouldn't do. They could be, (and actually probably are), in pre-production as we speak. They are working hard to write the script. And, mind you, THEY HAVE TO CREATE 5 DIFFERENT OPENINGS BASED ON WHAT YOU CHOSE! They have to find out how to make all 5 Clementines end up in the same place with the same people. (Unless they decide to make 5 different games all together, which could also be what they mean by "considerably larger"), but I doubt that. Give them time, and the game will be better. They deliver. They always do. Currently the release … [view original content]
All my comments are ARGUMENTS, an opinion in this matter is an ARGUMENT, its the only source you have for an argument in this case.
Oh! now all your opinions magically became arguments. how convenient! you're really pretty funny huh!
And yes you are gunna have to explain and educate me and MAKE me understand on why you think my opinion makes no sense, because to me they make perfect sense.
If you don't understand so far, it doesn't make sense if I explain everything again. I would be just repeating myself. just go read my comments.. it's all there!
And nope, I dont understand what you mean with kennyish.
Good. now it all starts to make perfect sense. I'm talking to a "kennyish" brick wall here.
You are the one that's stumbling man.... All my comments are ARGUMENTS, an opinion in this matter is an ARGUMENT, its the only source you ha… moreve for an argument in this case. And yes you are gunna have to explain and educate me and MAKE me understand on why you think my opinion makes no sense, because to me they make perfect sense. It's the same thing if I said ''your opinion sucks dick'' you ask why, and I say ''well its your opinion, its what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you''
Yes, you did give your opinion. It's all based on opinion, and from there it becomes an argument.
And nope, I dont understand what you mean with kennyish.
All my comments are ARGUMENTS, an opinion in this matter is an ARGUMENT, its the only source you have for an argument in this case.
… moreOh! now all your opinions magically became arguments. how convenient! you're really pretty funny huh!
And yes you are gunna have to explain and educate me and MAKE me understand on why you think my opinion makes no sense, because to me they make perfect sense.
If you don't understand so far, it doesn't make sense if I explain everything again. I would be just repeating myself. just go read my comments.. it's all there!
And nope, I dont understand what you mean with kennyish.
Good. now it all starts to make perfect sense. I'm talking to a "kennyish" brick wall here.
I also hope that the first episode is long... And by long, I mean REALLY long. Like the first episode of S1, everything felt great. S2's first episode felt lazy, there was never a time when you were in a situation like in the drug store, having to do all the puzzle stuff that is very fun and having so many options of doing stuff; giving clem a chocolate cake, hitting on Carley (by giving her batteries) and all these other stuff.
One of the biggest lacklusters of S2 was the episodes being way fast paced for its own good and the short length.
I also hope that in the beginning, it takes place at the ending of S2 so you can choose again. Some people may not have played Season 2 (why would you not? lol) or may play on another console so the save files are different.
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I know... it was a joke.
I just need to see what happens to Clementine. I don't understand those people who say "her story ended". Of course it didn't, season 2 had like 6 different endings! It's the biggest cliffhanger in the whole series so far! What happens next?
I want to hug Clementine in this days
I miss her SO MUCH...Т_Т
No need to welcome me, I have been a fan of the Comics way before the Telltale Games. And I know how common and how often even important character die in the franchise. I even have heard Kirkman saying that Rick will die before the end. However, he certainly won't to it until close before the end of the Series, I am very sure. Because Rick is the face of the Comic Series, just as Clementine is the face of Telltales TWD. So just as unlikely as Kirkman having Rick killed in the next Comic, just as unlikely it is for Clem to die in the next season. The way I see it, the Comic Series is about Rick's change from a goodhearted fellow who tries to help everyone to a cold person who does everything to keep his group alive. Just as Telltales TWD is about Clem becoming colder and more ruthless.
And I disagree with the "if we wanted to fall in love with telltale and their storytelling again, we have to stop caring about clem so much and move to the next story". Why? Why can't I love Telltale when Clem is the protagonist again? In fact, I will probably like them less if Clem isn't the protagonist, and while I can't speak for the majority (though I do think that my opinion is shared by the majority), I know many people who think like me too.
Especially with Clem and AJ pssibly alone, I believe it is only the beginning of Clems story.
I think the beginning of S3 should take place in the ending of S2, like we the players have to re-do our choice or whatever. I don't know why and I don't see the point but I just think it would have been cool.
Really in a nutshell, the endings showcase Clementines loyalty to what side of survivalism in this new world she took:
With Jane: The evil, selfish, and completely 100% alone survivor. I mean seriously, Jane even gave her the choice to leave an innocent family or take them in, instead of taking the choice herself she asks Clem ''nah I dont care, its up to you, an 11 year old''
With kenny: Clementine is still Clementine, and she still keeps herself up and doesn't lose herself or her originality. In this case, its the opposite to Jane's ending; once you enter with Kenny, he selflessly tells them to take Clem and AJ with them and leave him, just to get them to safety.
Alone with AJ: this reflects the cold, depressing, and sad ending. She is alone with a baby and no one to take care of her or AJ. She takes responsibility herself and says F you to everyone.
If you think about it, all these endings will reflect her personality in Season 3. It's really interesting to see how it goes and I really hope S3 will be as large as it's said to be.
another thing I thought about...
Would someone like a character similar to Lee that meets Clem and it affects her? Kind of like Ellie to Joel in TLOU... It would be very cool...
Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
Clementine NOT will became angry and evil with Jane. I think it's Clementine will change Jane and open in her even more good qualities and more compassion.
The whole point of the ending was who you were with and who was gunna be Clems next influence after Lee, if you chose Jane, then that is what Clem will be because Jane will teach her her way of surviving. Remember, Clem is still a kid.
Although you could be right, anything could change in the future but as of now - if you chose Jane, Clem won't be such a nice person. She will only think of her, jane and Aj as the priority and no one else. What if some innocent kid comes stumbling upon the hardware store, and Clem just points the gun at the kid cold bloodedly and says ''get out of here''. I would not have done that.
Also another thing to point out, the ending also reflects the players moral judgement. Would we just judge some guy like Kenny who naturally acted the way he did in that situation, and that situation only and kill him, or give him a chance to redeem? Jane wanted her to look innocent, but deep down Jane is the bigger bad. She is a snake, while Kenny was just a depressed lion, or tiger.
Sorry, but you do not know about it. You do not know the influence of the endings. I do not think that Clem would be a bad because that she went with Jane. And is it in the final scene shows us that Jane is abd and Kenny good? No.
NO. Don't forget what Lee said in Clementine's dream. This is not mathematics, sometimes there is no right answer. Kenny and Jane - two good people who have lost close people with good and bad qualities, but you either to get rid Kenny from suffering and save Jane or leave them and go alone.
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I agree! and the fact that she returned to the group is already evidence of this internal change.
Clem and Jane will learn a lot from each other. Jane will teach everything Clem need's to know about survival ( like the "cow catcher" thing.
). and Clem will show to Jane. that despite everything that the world has become, it's still worth trust people and give them a chance to prove it.
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I disagree completely.
You're missing the point again, are you even listening or just being a fanboy? (no offense)
You're letting that be the factor of your judgement, you alongside many people always want a happy ending and outcome but that is BS. It's not always gunna be a happy outcome, was Lee's end a happy outcome? Nope. If you know anything about TWD, you know that the black door can be opened MANY times and it has in the comics, games, and TV series.
The whole point was; we would drop our guard and judge Kenny completely on what he did which was going crazy on Jane; and see Jane as the good person because she was calm. That's not the case; you need to you see OUTSIDE the box. And in this case, she was the evil one. Them showing Lee saying that this is not mathematics is just for us to ONCE AGAIN be blinded for what we have seen and get lazy, and then do the wrong decision. It was for us, the players to finally become something bad. And telltale was successful, there is more players who went with jane than Kenny (see the game statistics for S2).
Jane had her chance to redeem, instead she let her urge of wanting another sister consume her (Clem, in this case) and she did a very crazy and fucked up thing with AJ, just like Joel did with Ellie in TLOU. Now that everything is safe, she will teach Clem HER own way of how to survive in this new world, and that is not just cow catching, but to also CONSUME Clem of making these decisions of either leaving an innocent family behind or do some other fucked up shit like stealing food from another person or group, etc. The WRONG influence, an influence I don't want to happen to her.
Kenny's influence is a no show; he already sacrificed himself for Clem and AJ to have a better life in Wellington; or agree with her that she should go alone with AJ because he was too dangerous. Will she realise this as something important when she is older? Yup. But with Jane, she is growing up to adulthood with doing these fucked up dangerous decisions, and she will see this as the RIGHT thing to do when it clearly (atleast to my morality) is NOT.
Now of course, anything of what I am saying could not happen and Clem could realise that Jane is dangerous, but fact remains that Jane is not a nice person. At all. In fact, she can be compared to many of the villains of TWD; because she is a villain by heart. She will teach Clem that the only important people in this world is her, Clem, and AJ and only think like this one dimensionally. Even if you did take the family in, Jane will seperate herself, Clem and AJ from them. If it wasn't for this and what I said, why would telltale even put a random family to bump onto them on the first place? It was to show us the dark morality of players.
Kenny's ending is the right ending for me, because there, she will still be treated as an 11 year old and not make life threatening decisions.... Obviously something that was still there with her when Lee was around, that is what she needs.
haha yeah she returned to the group....
For Clementine. Because Jane couldn't live with herself without another sister. Did you even notice how quickly she escalated with the death of alot of characters that happened and how the group disbanded? And when Kenny went out of the truck to check the other cars how quickly she saw the oppertunity to leave alone with Clementine as sisters, or when things got fucked up and she just left AJ in a car because he was a distraction between her having a sister again? Or how she continued trying to kill Kenny instead of stopping and saying AJ was in a car OR FREAKING BRING AJ IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF PLACING HIM IN A F'ING CAR (oh and Kenny mentioned this himself).
In the end, she wanted to be ALONE with Clementine. AJ is only there because Clem wants it. Jane could give two f**ks about AJ, its all about her and Clem..
As sisters.
Now disagree all you want but you should know this is a fact. Like I mentioned in my previous comment, this is the Walking Dead. Not everything is a happy ending.
What do you think Clem and mainly AJ mean for Kenny? right: Duck! ( remember the "..pass me that can, Duck." line? so yeah, that's a fact.) then I would say that I agree with you about the fact that Jane see Clem as her sister, but Kenny is no different at all.. and he takes AJ to himself even when rebeca is still alive and she needs to scream at him to return the baby to her.
As I said in my other comments. Jane was trying to get away from Kenny because he was no longer someone safe to be around. when she said to Clem: "- Don't you ever want to know what it's like to live your own life?" she is referring to the fact that Kenny is not reasonable anymore. and would drag them with him even if it meant ending up in a cold death in an attempt to find a place he didn't even know or had the slightest idea where it was, or if it really existed at that time.
..and she was not the only person to think so. the entire group was unanimous. (and this is another fact ..)
Again. she was trying to show to Clem what Kenny had become. and since Kenny was no longer accepting other opnion that was not his own, she was forced to "forge" an accident so that Clem could see with her own eyes how dangerously unstable he was. ( and he admits that he no longer trusts himself to take care of them at the end.)
If AJ was a distraction between Jane and Clem, or something that supposedly messed up a fraternal relationship that she could have with her. she simply would have killed AJ..
I think it was actually the opposite. she was saying that "accidentally" lost the baby in the snow and Kenny automatically assumed she murdered him and decided to kill her. at that time, even if she had said that AJ was alive Kenny wouldn't have stopped because he was out of control. he'd already decided in his mind that Jane was a baby-killer and deserved to die.. and that was exactly what she wanted Clem to witness.
Who guarantees that he couldn't have done something to Clem. if SHE instead were guilty of an supposed "accident". dont forget that when Clem tried to help Sarita he automatically lost control and literally left her alone in the middle of a horde of walkers. and I will speak again: He left her there..alone!
Actually, I think you'll find Jane tried to apologise to Kenny for the argument. "Kenny I'm-" Kenny interrupts "I'll go check this out you girls wait inside."
I have a feeling that this is all we are going to see of the Walking Dead
Yes. But it still doesn't disregard the fact that he was selfish and arrogant. he was like: My way or the highway. from the moment he lost Sarita.
things like: "I believe that Wellington exists, so let's all go there." or "I fixed this truck, so I say to where we need to go. even if Howe's is still there, and we all know where it is, we know that it still has food and formula, we know that Carver is dead and his people probably died or fled."
..he simply proclaimed himself the leader of the group, and he doesn't care if you don't agree with that.
No it wasn't because of Duck, you can't think of a son when you see a female, Clem is a woman and Duck was a boy so how the hell would he say that as in she would be like the next Duck? Maybe if it was a boy, but that doesn't work if its a female. Once again, same thing with Joel and Ellie. If Ellie was a guy, Joel would not find that sense of kind of having his daughter again because he never had a son.. Kenny never had a daughter. He said that because it accidentally passed his mind or Clem reminded him of the days when Duck was still alive.
You have a good point about Jane leaving Kenny because of that, but I don't believe it. That was the only way to convince Clem that he was 'dangerous', she couldn't just force Clem to go without Kenny. Especially if you chose to be mean to Jane a few times before; ignoring her, saying the negative options, etc etc etc.... Jane wanted that to be the main thing that would consume Clem and change her mind, when the same thing would happen if Clem lived with Jane... She would not live her own life, lol.
Like I said, it was a part of her genius plan of having Clementine has her sister, again... And what do you mean her KILLING AJ? That is completely stupid, it would ruin everything. There is a reason she didn't kill him, because if she did, Clementine would have either known and never been with Jane. Even if Jane used some excuse like ''oh he got bit by a walker'' how would that be possible? She was holding him, the only way of Jane losing AJ at that time would be if she just threw him. Either way, AJ being dead = Clem never being with Jane.
Nope you are completely wrong. Did you even see what I said earlier? Kenny MENTIONED that the entire fight would have stopped completely had she said AJ was alive in the car, or better yet not done anything. Kenny literally believed that AJ was completely 100% dead, I am sure nobody would know how it feels knowing a baby is dead and not even find the body. He was calm when they found the baby in the car, don't forget that either. Would he have been angry? Sure, anyone would be at that point. Why the hell would you put a baby's life at the risk by putting him in a car? Wtf.
About your point if it was Clem, would it have been any different if it was Jane? Nope, it wouldn't... BECAUSE SHE WANTS CLEM AS HER SISTER. Your point was that Kenny wanted clem as her next ''Duck'', that would have made no sense at all if he just killed her. Did he kill her or punch her or anything when Sarita died? Nope. And why would you imagine this being a situation with Clementine? You're just jumping to a horrible imagination, Clem would never do such a thing to AJ.
Ah and did I forget to mention, he didn't leave Clem alone. the heard of walkers was gunna kill them all had Kenny not shut up, and they got closer and got seperated from there. Remember, one of the key-stuff that happened with the heard was that EVERYONE was seperated, not leaving someone alone. Clem was alone because of the heard, not Kenny leaving her. Nobody would have left anyone if you could just calmly walk by the walkers in a heard.
Good point, but why did she completely get angry at him and call him an asshole right after he went out? Didn't make sense at all, it seemed like she was faking, or a developers oversight.
That was because he was consumed to the fact that he needed clem and AJ safe in Wellington and he was desperate, if I was in his shoes I would have been too. And,.. Well it may be hard for you, but he did kinda fix the truck wether you like it or not.... Lol.
All and all his focus was mostly on Clem and AJ, it may have been selfish.. But was it worst than shooting an eleven year old with a rifle, or leaving like a coward because you're too lazy to go to somewhere that may be long distance, steal all the supplies, and try to take the truck too?
What!??? Since when sexual gender defines a paternal/maternal relationship? it has absolutely nothing to do with appearance. you are just trying to justify the fact that Kenny also sought in Clem a way to redeem himself for what happened to his son..
I'll say it again. the ENTIRE group was unanimous about Kenny's toxic behavior. you can not argue with that. not believe in a fact is different from not want to see a fact..
Well, now you're contradicting yourself. first you say that the fact that she had gotten rid of AJ was because he was a distraction. now you say she could never have gotten rid of AJ as this would be completely stupid? and magically Clem would know what happened and wouldn't follow her because of that?
Nah! he was just covering up the fact that he didn't have the mental capacity to just talk to Jane about what had happened. instead he automatically assumed that the "accident" meant killing.. as you said. in his disturbed state he literally believed that AJ was 100% dead. and no matter what you say. he would want to kill you.
Again, you failed to understand. I never said Clem purposely would harm AJ. I was just illustrating on the fact that Kenny, in its unstable state. could make a decision that harmed Clem and even put her life at risk. as he did when she tried to help Sarita and ended up accidentally making things worse. so... AJ being the most important thing for him. if Clem accidentally lost AJ for the walkers. there would be a great chance for Kenny to lose control and do something irresponsible and dangerous to her.
You don't let a 11yo alone in the middle of a horde of walkers. Lee would never do that. in fact, Lee even entered a horde of walkers to be able to get to her. and then. properly escort her out. Kenny could simply have done the same thing. but he was too busy going nuclear..
I respect your opinion, but I will always stick to their own. Lee words it was not just. There is no right answer. Someone went to Kenny, and someone with Jane, and some one - each chose their way, and neither of them is happy and I never said that.
jesus H himself.... I don't even know if I can argue anymore. You've ignored like 68% of my comments and you misunderstood most of them. I'm gunna try to keep it as short as possible.
2.Lmao.... That was the whole point. We were gunna see kenny as the bad guy because everyone was afraid of him, and then we would kill him and think to ourselfs it was the right thing, and then we end up with jane or alone.. Misjudging, that was the whole point of it. Kenny, a guy who is shown to be a bad guy because of what he has been through (but in heart only wants whats best). And the group thinking he is a 'toxic' was only a part of it, I told you to try think outside the box. You didn't.
I didn't contradict myself. See, this is where either you misunderstood, or you are tangling everything on me just to argue and look good. I never said it was a fact, I said it could have either happened in a hypothesis, or that she didn't care about AJ. The only reason AJ is still there in Janes eyes is because Clem wants it, Jane doesn't care about him. She could kill him (which she nearly did), but she does not.
No he wasn't ''covering''' up any facts about anything. And him not having the mental capacity to talk to jane would not matter at all. Jane was ready for him to strike, if he did talk it would not go anywhere. Anyone in Kenny's shoes would do what he did, once again you ignored my comment. How would Jane just lose a child from her hands like that? It would not make any sense. The only sensible way was that she threw him off, an accident? How? Oh yeah, the walkers just chose to eat baby flesh instead of Jane's, or better yet, Jane accidentally slipped and broke AJ in half.
And in that sense, what? Irresponsible and dangerous? I cant see anything outside from harming her, screaming untill Clementine is deaf? Lmao, there is only one way he would do something thats dangerous for her and that is hit her or something like that. And what do you mean he accidentally did something with Sarita when Clem tried to help her? What? When? When she got bitten? You're gunna have to explain more, I don't recall him doing anything, either he called Clem a stupid kid in the herd, or yelled at her at that drop off place.
Herd was different, more walkers + more people + people shooting = drawing MORE walkers, and having to walk slower, and in the process having to split.... Not too hard to figure it out. And please, for the love of god don't use Lee as an excuse. Lee is not a magical angel who can help and save everyone, he would have been split too in that herd. Hell, he proabably would have died because he would yell for clementine and draw attention judging by his personality.
Exactly. and he was so consumed that not even asked her if it was really what she wanted. or the other members of the group. Clem can think for herself, and Kenny is not her father.
The fact that he repaired the truck was great. but that doesn't give him the right to impose his will on others. I don't deny that Kenny has many qualities. but I also can not deny his defects either. I will not absolve everything he did and just say: - It's okay Kenny! after all, you are Kenny. all these people around are surely wrong, or are plotting against us..
I agree with you about Arvo shooting Clem. that was terrible of him. but you are ignoring the fact that Arvo thought Clem had murdered his sister in cold blood, when in fact she had already become a walker at the time. he acted out of crazy revenge.
Mike and Bonnie no longer wanted to be with Kenny for obvious reasons. despite the act of stealing supplies and the truck being completely unfair. I can understand their motivations for abandoning him.
I mean, I think it's too easy to blame others when you don't even bother to understand their side of the story.
Well. That's your opinion, and is speculative. then you can not prove it..
There is no such "this was the whole point" thing. make biased choices is not the goal of TT. all that exists is only: your choice. unless you're a fanboy and start inventing pretexts to justify everything that happens. I think you are the one who needs to think outside the box here.
Nothing that I can answer here. and you replied against something you wrote yourself. I just pointed out the issue. and YES, you contradicted yourself. go read your comment..
Eer.. Walkers!? It's not that hard to imagine.. lol
You know how to read a comment right? because I'm starting to doubt you can. or else you are trolling..
Still.. you don't leave a child alone in a herd of walkers. it's out of question.
Ok you're a fanboy, or a troll, or both, or a keyboard warrior, or all three.
Just to point at, the end end ''still.... you dont leave a child alone in a ''herd'' of walkers''
Did you even READ my comment? You're copying of what I am saying, I did read your comment. You obviously did not read mine. You're a Lee Everett fanboy who proabably thinks he is a god or something, you still have no argument against that.
Rather than being 'soon', it will be 'never' unless telltale pull their finger out and get Season Three released.
Point is the hype they created has vastly diminished already. Earlier in the year, people were clamouring for the continuing story of Clementine. Now though, apart from a few die hard fans, most have moved onto something else.
If they don't get Season Three sorted out and I hate to use the word 'soon', then they will lose the entire fanbase and it will be extremely difficult to get people back if and when they do release Season Three.
Sorry dude. unfortunately for you I'm not a fanboy, or troll... keyboard warrior? I like that name!
And I'm reading your comments. in fact, I'm quoting it so you can analise how much they make no sense. although it was clear that in your mind this is the whole truth, it's "the whole point", and it's a fact. even though you can not prove anything, and your arguments, ops.. I mean, your opinions. are completely flawed and controversial. you don't care if you're contradicting yourself. because after all that's your opinion. and that's all that matters.
You are doing a pretty great job being "Kennyish". Thank you for pointing that out to the community.
As much as I want S03 to be released as soon as possible. I don't want them to rush it either, so I'm inclined to wait.
I think quite unlikely that they'll lose all their fanbase. I mean. if that were the case. Blizzard would have already closed their doors long, long ago. another example is Half Life. people are still anxious and biting their nails for the release of the third game. even after nearly 10 years!! If you think about it that way. even if TT just launched S03 in 2020 much of the fanbase would still be standing and hyped about it. I surely still would be.
Haha, yeah in my mind. As much as in your mind, Jane is the right one and everything is gunna be fine and dandy with the Jane ending, when in reality all TWD should know that bad things can happen anytime.
You're gunna have to explain how my opinions (thanks for pointing that out) make no sense. In fact, if my opinions aren't facts, the same thing goes with you. There are no facts, its all opinions. That's what seperates TWD from other games, everyone has a different choice when it comes to the ending, etc etc etc. For me, its a fact that the kenny ending is the better one and Jane is a evil biatch. For you, well for you it just happens to be the opposite.
And sorry but I don't know what you mean with me being kennyish, is that even a word?
Agreed.
Atleast a trailer maybe, a teaser trailer maybe? I mean, I dont hate the fact that the next episode of S3 will be released in 2016, in fact I'm glad they are taking their time and making it huge. But your point is completely right, the longer they go like this, they will lose alot of fans.. They're giving us the Rockstargames treatment.
I can not explain your opinion. as I said, it's your opinion, is what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you .. but I can explain and discuss arguments. and well.. you gave me practically none, just your personal opnion.
That's where you stumble again. unlike you, I didn't give you my opnion, I presented you arguments. (These are quite different things, in case you don't know..) and FROM these arguments, which CAN be proven based on the analysis of what happened in the game. I built my opinion about the Kenny/Jane topic.
I'm pretty sure you understood what I meant. or are you really that oblivious? lol
Telltale don't need to rush it, they are currently working on two final episodes at the moment along with Minecraft Story Mode and the Michonne mini series. When season 3 was announced they said it was a long way off and it wasn't going to release in 2015, The Walking Dead is their most popular franchise in terms of sales and awards so i doubt people will forget about it.
Don't forget everyone! It doesn't matter how "rushed" this game is going to be. They actually have to MAKE THE WHOLE THING FROM SCRATCH. Animate characters, get the voice actors in the studio, write the script and story, program decisions, make it look good, fix lighting, etc, etc, etc. Telltale physically CAN'T rush this game, unless they were to say "The game isn't based on choices anymore!" which they wouldn't do. They could be, (and actually probably are), in pre-production as we speak. They are working hard to write the script. And, mind you, THEY HAVE TO CREATE 5 DIFFERENT OPENINGS BASED ON WHAT YOU CHOSE! They have to find out how to make all 5 Clementines end up in the same place with the same people. (Unless they decide to make 5 different games all together, which could also be what they mean by "considerably larger"), but I doubt that. Give them time, and the game will be better. They deliver. They always do. Currently the release date is set for 2016, but I'm not sure. These games take so much time, no matter how big the team.
You are the one that's stumbling man.... All my comments are ARGUMENTS, an opinion in this matter is an ARGUMENT, its the only source you have for an argument in this case. And yes you are gunna have to explain and educate me and MAKE me understand on why you think my opinion makes no sense, because to me they make perfect sense. It's the same thing if I said ''your opinion sucks dick'' you ask why, and I say ''well its your opinion, its what you want to believe. nothing I can do for you''
Yes, you did give your opinion. It's all based on opinion, and from there it becomes an argument.
And nope, I dont understand what you mean with kennyish.
Now that I am thinking about it I agree.. Maybe a spring 2016 release date that follows with Season 1 episode one's release date? : )
Oh! now all your opinions magically became arguments. how convenient! you're really pretty funny huh!
If you don't understand so far, it doesn't make sense if I explain everything again. I would be just repeating myself. just go read my comments.. it's all there!
Good. now it all starts to make perfect sense. I'm talking to a "kennyish" brick wall here.
You're running in circles....
all my comments were arguments, my first two long comments and all the ones going down from there. Just go read my comments.. It's all there
Your opinions make no sense, btw.
And thanks for the compliment.
And I am pretty sure I'm not a brick.
You may be more right than you can imagine.
I also hope that the first episode is long... And by long, I mean REALLY long. Like the first episode of S1, everything felt great. S2's first episode felt lazy, there was never a time when you were in a situation like in the drug store, having to do all the puzzle stuff that is very fun and having so many options of doing stuff; giving clem a chocolate cake, hitting on Carley (by giving her batteries) and all these other stuff.
One of the biggest lacklusters of S2 was the episodes being way fast paced for its own good and the short length.
I also hope that in the beginning, it takes place at the ending of S2 so you can choose again. Some people may not have played Season 2 (why would you not? lol) or may play on another console so the save files are different.