But Fiona is not a regular defenseless women who carries a gun in a purse, she is a con artist, she knows how to use a gun, she has to in case things get dire. Athena was supposed to train Fiona how to survive in the world, so that she could leave Hollow Point, and she says that Fiona has potential, if she were bad with a gun, Athena wouldn't have said that. Regardless, Fiona has accurately used a machine gun in Ep 2, so I don't really see the point of this argument.
Many women carries little gun in purse for self defence. It doesn't make them good with weapons. In Borderlands universe Fiona's pistol is a… more toy, she'd die in regular game quick. Felix knew that and hired Athena to protect and train girls. Don't make Fiona somebody she's not.
To be fair, in every single universe where a character uses a gun they are either unrealistically overpowered OR the character is stupidly i… morenept in their use. I honestly have never seen any form of media depict guns accurately. Carl and Clementine should both be deaf and everyone on the Walking Dead (or anything with zombies, really) should have dumped their guns in favor of clubs by now. At least where zombies are concerned. Guns would only be (and are) useful against people because you don't need to (and shouldn't try to) make a headshot on them. Center mass 100% of the time, as I was taught.
Wait you mean to say that even when a soldier or a SWAT sniper or whatever uses laser sights a headshot is impractical? By the way I rarely use guns, so I wouldn't know that much anyway.
"Relatively easy to headshot" "Precision sights"
I'm going to assume you don't handle firearms often, if at all. (Which is fine, I know t… morehere are more people that don't handle them than people that do.) Headshots are always impractical, even if the target is standing still. That's why no police force or military anywhere recommends them. Even snipers and sharpshooters are taught to refrain from using them except in cases where it's literally the only option (which are rare)
If you hear the conversation when Fiona looking at the old picture in Felix's house,Sasha said that her sister is a better shooter than herself.During the shootout at the beginning of episode 3,she's also seems capable of firefight using the proper firearm.Don't make a conclusion before thorough observation.
Many women carries little gun in purse for self defence. It doesn't make them good with weapons. In Borderlands universe Fiona's pistol is a… more toy, she'd die in regular game quick. Felix knew that and hired Athena to protect and train girls. Don't make Fiona somebody she's not.
You can improve with training but no matter how much someone trains headshot after headshot after headshot remains improbable. Every militar… morey and police force are trained to avoid headshots because they're impractical. Except snipers and such, they're just discouraged from attempting them because they're risky shots even for them.
Wait you mean to say that even when a soldier or a SWAT sniper or whatever uses laser sights a headshot is impractical? By the way I rarely use guns, so I wouldn't know that much anyway.
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have the plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well.
Carlos asking Clementine to look after Sarah? He doesn't even particularly want to. He can even say that he doesn't want to trust her, but he has to:
Either Clementine, the kid he doesn't really know goes out into the woods on a possible rescue-mission and he stays behind, they all go together and leave Sarah behind to fend for herself, or Clementine stays there with Sarah where both of them are relatively safe. There really isn't any good choice to be made in that situation, and in his mind, it's kind of a lose-lose no matter what, so he chose what he believed to be the best option available.
Characters asking Clementine what they should do? Half of the time that anyone truly asks for her input is when she's the only other person around at the time. You go to find Kenny during the hostage situation at the end of A House Divided? She's the only other person by his side. If anything, it's probably a good thing that he even asks Clementine about whether or not he should take a shot or not.
A similar thing exists with the rest of the characters. Pete and Alvin share scenes where you're the only other person with them. Pete asks you to look out for Nick because you're the only person there that that will hear out his dying wishes. Same goes for Alvin if he survives episode 2. They're not even specifically asking you to look out for their loved ones as much as they're asking you to ask the rest of the group to look out for them.
Carlos asking you to talk to the rest of the ski lodge group? He makes a point in saying that they trust her, and given that she already knows one of the members of said group, that also gives her more credence as far as trust goes. His request is quite valid in that regard.
Alvin asking you to check out the station house at the bridge? Sure, a bit of a lazy-ass to do that, but is there truly any danger involved in doing that? Think about it: the lodge is small, it has a bunch a windows, and Matthew just came from over there. There is absolutely no reason that a walker would be inside there, nor any booby-traps or an ambush waiting to happen. And if anything was in there, you'd be able to see it from the safety of the giant windows looking right into the building.
Alvin asking if you can let him keep the can of food for Rebecca? At most, it's a bit of a selfish move, but only with the best interests for his wife and unborn child. And if Clementine calls him out on asking her to do that, he'll quickly backpedal on the idea and agree that the rest of the group should decide.
Carlos asking you to help calm Sarah down in the herd? Desperation mostly, and the realization that you're her friend, or someone at the very least that might be able to get through to her better than he can.
Trying to convince Sarah to get up and escape the trailer park? Clementine is pretty much the last resort at that point. Luke has been in there for who knows how long trying to talk to her, and has been unsuccessful. Clementine is the only other person that Sarah knows, and the only other person that has a shot at getting through to her. Luke doesn't want to just leave her to die, he wants to make sure she gets out safe. As the walkers start to break through, he reluctantly realizes that Jane might be right about them not being able to help her in time.
Kenny telling Clementine to do potentially dangerous stuff? To be fair, the only notably dangerous position he puts her in is giving the radio to Luke. Even then, he actually does have some valid ground to stand on in his reasoning; he's been the most defiant of the prisoners. He already broke out of his restraints and started a fight with Mike. He's basically the worst possible choice to even get the radio to Luke because he's already attracted too much heat. He also trusts her more than he does Mike, a guy that he doesn't even know in any way shape or form. He might be more able-bodied than Clementine, but how does he even know that Mike is truly on their side? Not to mention that by proxy, Mike is also in a bit of trouble since Kenny decided to start shit with him. Troy even makes mention that he's going to keep a watchful eye on both of them. I don't see how either of them would be able to get inside that comic store without Troy smacking them around before they could even reach the door. Clementine has the least amount of heat and suspicion up to that moment.
Kenny telling Clementine to look around the yard to find a way out? This isn't even particularly dangerous for her in particular. At the end of the day, she's still a kid, and I think most people realize that even if she's a hardened survivor, there's still some amount of innocence and childlike curiosity in there. If anything, it was more dangerous for Reggie than anyone else. Troy mentions that he wants Reggie to help keep things quiet regarding the new arrivals. Reggie himself mentions that they're expecting him to keep things in line. And if you do attract attention, Troy just blames Reggie and holds him accountable.
Getting the walkie-talkies at Howe's? First of all, the radios are kept in the stock room. Given that they lock the door that leads to the yard, they are not able to simply mosey over to it. Secondly, the path to the stock room is in direct view of Carver's office, as well as the rest of the hardware store. So if they were somehow able to open the door, they'd have to walk out in plain sight to even reach the stock room. Moreover, since the ladder is purposely cut, the only way for an adult to reach the roof is via the stairwell that is behind Carver's office. Ergo, there's no way for them to personally get up there undetected or without having to travel right past the office. So in the same way as before, there's no way to get to the roof without walking out in the open. So what does that leave them with? The winch. The winch that has already been shown to be quite flimsy (Rebecca flat-out mentions that it breaks frequently, and you see it fail to lift a sack of soil up). For all intents and purposes, for that specific task, Clementine is literally the only person able to get to the roof, and by extension, the only one that reliably has a shot at reaching the stock room.
Furthermore, the same applies to getting into Carver's office for the PA system. Even more so, consider that Carver and his guards would be even more cautious of our group. They'd practically shoot on sight if they saw any one of us trying to do something unsupervised. They don't know that Clementine was the one that grabbed the radios, nor do they suspect her in particular. Given that they caught Luke, and Kenny is the one to fess up the radio (on top of him already being incredibly defiant), they have no real reason to believe that Clementine was the one that managed to procure the radios in the first place. Once again, Clementine is the best candidate to get up there and turn it on.
Rebecca asking you to bring Alvin with you? She doesn't mean for Clementine to bring him out on her back. Remember the layout of Howe's; the stairwell to the roof is right outside of Carver's office. If climbing up to the skylight isn't an option, then simply going up the stairs to the roof and dropping into the stock room is. Rebecca most likely didn't think (or was in denial of the fact) that Alvin was that badly injured that he'd be unable to move on his own and make an escape.
Talking to Kenny in episodes 4 and 5? Backed up by the fact that she knows Kenny the most, and is the only person that shares a previous relationship of any form with him. They all recognize that if there are two people Kenny listens to, it's Sarita and Clementine. With Sarita out of the picture, Clem becomes the only other person that seems to be able to talk any kind of sense into him. They recognize that she's one of the few people that act as a kind of leash or tether for him. Even if Clementine doesn't like him that much, the feeling isn't exactly reciprocated by Kenny; he still has a soft spot for her, regardless of her disposition towards him.
Crawling through the ticket booth? This scene is unique in that it's quite self-aware. You can just call Bonnie right out on having you do something stupid, and she goes right back on that idea and does it herself. And again, Bonnie's the only one really telling Clementine to do that. Mike's not even in on it, and he didn't even realize that Bonnie was implying that Clementine should go through.
Going back for Luke? Bonnie's the only one that's even telling her to, and it's more a knee-jerk reaction from her being worried about Luke (small kid = less weight = lower chance of ice breaking). Luke and the rest are actively telling her not to, and that it is too dangerous.
Coming up with a plan to escape Howe's? It's not even Clementine coming up with things there, they figure things out on their own. Kenny comes up with using the herd to get out, Luke comes up with getting the radios so they can keep an eye on the guards (and the herd), and Jane is the one that suggests using walker guts. The only thing Clementine does is mention doing both Luke and Kenny's plans at once, and even then, if you stay silent, Mike quickly brings that up. None of the adults are even asking her about these plans. Hell, none of them are even expecting her to contribute. They don't all stare at her like "what do you think, professor?" every time one of them tosses an idea out.
Discussing whether to leave Howe's that night or bide their time? Again, Clementine barely plays a role in that argument. She's just another person voicing her choice on the matter. She isn't even a swing-vote here. And none of them directly make note of what she says all like "you're right Clem, we should leave right now!"
And the same goes for all the various arguments that the group has throughout each episode. Clementine isn't exactly solving any of the problems anyone has. More than half of the time, she's just stating the obvious that everyone else would have realized within the next 10 seconds regardless of her being there. Telling people to stop arguing? So what, they realize 5 seconds later that they're being stupid and agree to shut up, or someone else chimes in and tells them to stop arguing anyways. Clementine's not doing anything important here, other than being the first person to say something that someone else would have said anyways.
I think that covers most scenes that people generally cite when the argument of "everyone in S2 is a braindead and/or incompetent moron, and Clementine has to do everything herself" pops up. There's probably a few other scenes I forgot to mention, but most of those are most likely the same case as above.
Seriously, about the only scene that is really pushing it is the wind turbine one. And in all honesty, there's just no defending that scene, and it really didn't have to exist in the first place. They could have just had Carlos or Sarita take a look, ask if someone has a light, have Clementine give them the lighter and bam, mission accomplished.
Right?
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have the plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have t… morehe plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well… [view original content]
Nope, i don't even like killing dogs in video games. That bothers me, where as watching something like "reggie getting tossed off the ledge", makes me laugh. Its weird.
This is really starting to become silly now. It's impossible for Clementine to do this. It's impossible for Clementine to do that. Regardless of the fact that all these points have been answered god knows how many times.
The biggest answer to all these daft questions and statements is the following, 'ITS A GAME, WHO CARES!
Yes BOTH SEASONS are brilliant, well written and ground breaking. In fact in my opinion, I regard The Walking Dead the best game ever made, bar none.
However, some people have to realise that they are just a game, you can't take it that seriously. Just enjoy them and leave it at that.
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have t… morehe plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well… [view original content]
This is really starting to become silly now. It's impossible for Clementine to do this. It's impossible for Clementine to do that. Regardles… mores of the fact that all these points have been answered god knows how many times.
The biggest answer to all these daft questions and statements is the following, 'ITS A GAME, WHO CARES!
Yes BOTH SEASONS are brilliant, well written and ground breaking. In fact in my opinion, I regard The Walking Dead the best game ever made, bar none.
However, some people have to realise that they are just a game, you can't take it that seriously. Just enjoy them and leave it at that.
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have t… morehe plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well… [view original content]
"Oh my gosh, look at this dangerous situation we are in! What will us twenty to sixty year olds ever do?"
"Nothing! We'll just have t… morehe plot armoured 11 year old do everything."
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well… [view original content]
I think that by this point "TWD reality" is an oxymoron.
Reality is the only thing we have that we can compare this too, it'd be different if it was a fantasy setting or a space western, but it's not. It's set in modern-day Earth during an apocalypse.
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But Fiona is not a regular defenseless women who carries a gun in a purse, she is a con artist, she knows how to use a gun, she has to in case things get dire. Athena was supposed to train Fiona how to survive in the world, so that she could leave Hollow Point, and she says that Fiona has potential, if she were bad with a gun, Athena wouldn't have said that. Regardless, Fiona has accurately used a machine gun in Ep 2, so I don't really see the point of this argument.
in the comic they dumped guns in favor of melee weapons, but just because noise attracts walkers.
Wait you mean to say that even when a soldier or a SWAT sniper or whatever uses laser sights a headshot is impractical? By the way I rarely use guns, so I wouldn't know that much anyway.
If you hear the conversation when Fiona looking at the old picture in Felix's house,Sasha said that her sister is a better shooter than herself.During the shootout at the beginning of episode 3,she's also seems capable of firefight using the proper firearm.Don't make a conclusion before thorough observation.
I remember telling the sheriff "If that bomb blows it would be doing the world a favor." I'll always remember the mushroom cloud
I felt so evil and so good when I blew up the city, then I killed everybody in the Tempenny Tower because that was so bad ass.
I hope when she is older she can snipe.
Well let's not compare them to actual reality but to TWD reality
Yup, you still have to line up the laser sight just like any other sight.
It not that hard to dig a screw driver into something or swing an axe.
You know, I really think people blow this out of proportion
I never got the impression that every single adult character went into damsel-mode and Clementine was some end-all fixer of every problem
I just saw her as being the character best suited to the tasks at hand (more or less, with the exception of a few scenes, like the wind turbine)
Most of the scenes with Luke actually fit with his general character. He's a reckless, dare-devil type dude. Why does he have Clementine cross the bridge or do other potentially dangerous things? Because he sees Clementine as more than a kid, and he doesn't really see the harm in it. He's a guy that jumped across rooftops when he was a kid, of course he'd project a bit of that mindset onto Clementine as well.
Carlos asking Clementine to look after Sarah? He doesn't even particularly want to. He can even say that he doesn't want to trust her, but he has to:
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Either Clementine, the kid he doesn't really know goes out into the woods on a possible rescue-mission and he stays behind, they all go together and leave Sarah behind to fend for herself, or Clementine stays there with Sarah where both of them are relatively safe. There really isn't any good choice to be made in that situation, and in his mind, it's kind of a lose-lose no matter what, so he chose what he believed to be the best option available.
Characters asking Clementine what they should do? Half of the time that anyone truly asks for her input is when she's the only other person around at the time. You go to find Kenny during the hostage situation at the end of A House Divided? She's the only other person by his side. If anything, it's probably a good thing that he even asks Clementine about whether or not he should take a shot or not.
A similar thing exists with the rest of the characters. Pete and Alvin share scenes where you're the only other person with them. Pete asks you to look out for Nick because you're the only person there that that will hear out his dying wishes. Same goes for Alvin if he survives episode 2. They're not even specifically asking you to look out for their loved ones as much as they're asking you to ask the rest of the group to look out for them.
Carlos asking you to talk to the rest of the ski lodge group? He makes a point in saying that they trust her, and given that she already knows one of the members of said group, that also gives her more credence as far as trust goes. His request is quite valid in that regard.
Alvin asking you to check out the station house at the bridge? Sure, a bit of a lazy-ass to do that, but is there truly any danger involved in doing that? Think about it: the lodge is small, it has a bunch a windows, and Matthew just came from over there. There is absolutely no reason that a walker would be inside there, nor any booby-traps or an ambush waiting to happen. And if anything was in there, you'd be able to see it from the safety of the giant windows looking right into the building.
Alvin asking if you can let him keep the can of food for Rebecca? At most, it's a bit of a selfish move, but only with the best interests for his wife and unborn child. And if Clementine calls him out on asking her to do that, he'll quickly backpedal on the idea and agree that the rest of the group should decide.
Carlos asking you to help calm Sarah down in the herd? Desperation mostly, and the realization that you're her friend, or someone at the very least that might be able to get through to her better than he can.
Trying to convince Sarah to get up and escape the trailer park? Clementine is pretty much the last resort at that point. Luke has been in there for who knows how long trying to talk to her, and has been unsuccessful. Clementine is the only other person that Sarah knows, and the only other person that has a shot at getting through to her. Luke doesn't want to just leave her to die, he wants to make sure she gets out safe. As the walkers start to break through, he reluctantly realizes that Jane might be right about them not being able to help her in time.
Kenny telling Clementine to do potentially dangerous stuff? To be fair, the only notably dangerous position he puts her in is giving the radio to Luke. Even then, he actually does have some valid ground to stand on in his reasoning; he's been the most defiant of the prisoners. He already broke out of his restraints and started a fight with Mike. He's basically the worst possible choice to even get the radio to Luke because he's already attracted too much heat. He also trusts her more than he does Mike, a guy that he doesn't even know in any way shape or form. He might be more able-bodied than Clementine, but how does he even know that Mike is truly on their side? Not to mention that by proxy, Mike is also in a bit of trouble since Kenny decided to start shit with him. Troy even makes mention that he's going to keep a watchful eye on both of them. I don't see how either of them would be able to get inside that comic store without Troy smacking them around before they could even reach the door. Clementine has the least amount of heat and suspicion up to that moment.
Kenny telling Clementine to look around the yard to find a way out? This isn't even particularly dangerous for her in particular. At the end of the day, she's still a kid, and I think most people realize that even if she's a hardened survivor, there's still some amount of innocence and childlike curiosity in there. If anything, it was more dangerous for Reggie than anyone else. Troy mentions that he wants Reggie to help keep things quiet regarding the new arrivals. Reggie himself mentions that they're expecting him to keep things in line. And if you do attract attention, Troy just blames Reggie and holds him accountable.
Getting the walkie-talkies at Howe's? First of all, the radios are kept in the stock room. Given that they lock the door that leads to the yard, they are not able to simply mosey over to it. Secondly, the path to the stock room is in direct view of Carver's office, as well as the rest of the hardware store. So if they were somehow able to open the door, they'd have to walk out in plain sight to even reach the stock room. Moreover, since the ladder is purposely cut, the only way for an adult to reach the roof is via the stairwell that is behind Carver's office. Ergo, there's no way for them to personally get up there undetected or without having to travel right past the office. So in the same way as before, there's no way to get to the roof without walking out in the open. So what does that leave them with? The winch. The winch that has already been shown to be quite flimsy (Rebecca flat-out mentions that it breaks frequently, and you see it fail to lift a sack of soil up). For all intents and purposes, for that specific task, Clementine is literally the only person able to get to the roof, and by extension, the only one that reliably has a shot at reaching the stock room.
Furthermore, the same applies to getting into Carver's office for the PA system. Even more so, consider that Carver and his guards would be even more cautious of our group. They'd practically shoot on sight if they saw any one of us trying to do something unsupervised. They don't know that Clementine was the one that grabbed the radios, nor do they suspect her in particular. Given that they caught Luke, and Kenny is the one to fess up the radio (on top of him already being incredibly defiant), they have no real reason to believe that Clementine was the one that managed to procure the radios in the first place. Once again, Clementine is the best candidate to get up there and turn it on.
Rebecca asking you to bring Alvin with you? She doesn't mean for Clementine to bring him out on her back. Remember the layout of Howe's; the stairwell to the roof is right outside of Carver's office. If climbing up to the skylight isn't an option, then simply going up the stairs to the roof and dropping into the stock room is. Rebecca most likely didn't think (or was in denial of the fact) that Alvin was that badly injured that he'd be unable to move on his own and make an escape.
Talking to Kenny in episodes 4 and 5? Backed up by the fact that she knows Kenny the most, and is the only person that shares a previous relationship of any form with him. They all recognize that if there are two people Kenny listens to, it's Sarita and Clementine. With Sarita out of the picture, Clem becomes the only other person that seems to be able to talk any kind of sense into him. They recognize that she's one of the few people that act as a kind of leash or tether for him. Even if Clementine doesn't like him that much, the feeling isn't exactly reciprocated by Kenny; he still has a soft spot for her, regardless of her disposition towards him.
Crawling through the ticket booth? This scene is unique in that it's quite self-aware. You can just call Bonnie right out on having you do something stupid, and she goes right back on that idea and does it herself. And again, Bonnie's the only one really telling Clementine to do that. Mike's not even in on it, and he didn't even realize that Bonnie was implying that Clementine should go through.
Going back for Luke? Bonnie's the only one that's even telling her to, and it's more a knee-jerk reaction from her being worried about Luke (small kid = less weight = lower chance of ice breaking). Luke and the rest are actively telling her not to, and that it is too dangerous.
Coming up with a plan to escape Howe's? It's not even Clementine coming up with things there, they figure things out on their own. Kenny comes up with using the herd to get out, Luke comes up with getting the radios so they can keep an eye on the guards (and the herd), and Jane is the one that suggests using walker guts. The only thing Clementine does is mention doing both Luke and Kenny's plans at once, and even then, if you stay silent, Mike quickly brings that up. None of the adults are even asking her about these plans. Hell, none of them are even expecting her to contribute. They don't all stare at her like "what do you think, professor?" every time one of them tosses an idea out.
Discussing whether to leave Howe's that night or bide their time? Again, Clementine barely plays a role in that argument. She's just another person voicing her choice on the matter. She isn't even a swing-vote here. And none of them directly make note of what she says all like "you're right Clem, we should leave right now!"
And the same goes for all the various arguments that the group has throughout each episode. Clementine isn't exactly solving any of the problems anyone has. More than half of the time, she's just stating the obvious that everyone else would have realized within the next 10 seconds regardless of her being there. Telling people to stop arguing? So what, they realize 5 seconds later that they're being stupid and agree to shut up, or someone else chimes in and tells them to stop arguing anyways. Clementine's not doing anything important here, other than being the first person to say something that someone else would have said anyways.
I think that covers most scenes that people generally cite when the argument of "everyone in S2 is a braindead and/or incompetent moron, and Clementine has to do everything herself" pops up. There's probably a few other scenes I forgot to mention, but most of those are most likely the same case as above.
Seriously, about the only scene that is really pushing it is the wind turbine one. And in all honesty, there's just no defending that scene, and it really didn't have to exist in the first place. They could have just had Carlos or Sarita take a look, ask if someone has a light, have Clementine give them the lighter and bam, mission accomplished.
You have just created the best fucking post on these forums, I read that whole thing and agree with everything you just said.
I never blew up the city, i am kind of a environmentalist, so setting off a nuclear bomb isn't something i would do.
Not even in a virtual reality or dream?
Nope, i don't even like killing dogs in video games. That bothers me, where as watching something like "reggie getting tossed off the ledge", makes me laugh. Its weird.
In reality I had an evil karma playthrough and a good karma one, so in the evil one I do all evil things.
This is really starting to become silly now. It's impossible for Clementine to do this. It's impossible for Clementine to do that. Regardless of the fact that all these points have been answered god knows how many times.
The biggest answer to all these daft questions and statements is the following, 'ITS A GAME, WHO CARES!
Yes BOTH SEASONS are brilliant, well written and ground breaking. In fact in my opinion, I regard The Walking Dead the best game ever made, bar none.
However, some people have to realise that they are just a game, you can't take it that seriously. Just enjoy them and leave it at that.
Essentially, Clem is the only best option.
Uh oh, you just said the forbidden words
get ready for someone to start harping on S2 again and vehemently rebut your claim
I just be myself , My Karma tends to be in the mid to low category.
Plot holes make really good writing.
Clem is adaptable to situations. Lee taught her well and some skills she developed along the way. It shows how smart she is.
/Claps. I love you. Let's plan a wedding.
That would be me. Season 2 sucks.
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He only taught her how to shoot
Telltale logic. Even an idiot can use a melee weapon.
I don't why people felt that Clem was the one doing everything. And you just explained perfectly Why that wasn't the case.
I think that by this point "TWD reality" is an oxymoron.
Reality is the only thing we have that we can compare this too, it'd be different if it was a fantasy setting or a space western, but it's not. It's set in modern-day Earth during an apocalypse.
Ofc she will, Clem's a dead eye
But I also meant on surviving (depending on play through of any gamer, should they choose it).