Jane threatens Arvo so that he doesn't come back, so that he knows she won't just let him go the next time.
What if the car had a broken window? Well it doesn't, regardless of what ifs, the important thing is what is. And Walkers weren't seen anywhere near the car or Rest Stop, heck, there were only a few Walkers in the entire final chapter of Episode 5.
That blanket gave him warmth since it covered his entire body except his face, of course.
And when there's someone whose almost killed a Teenager with a disability to death in your group, you wouldn't think that someone would fear what could happen to the child or baby in your group if that person's anger got the best of him again. Jane put herself in danger, not Clementine, she did care about her own life, otherwise why would she ask help from Clementine but at the same time I can understand what you mean in a sense, she obviously wanted to show Clementine what Kenny was capable of even if it cost her her own life, which is probably why she didn't say AJ is alive. Jane said "I didn't kill him" to Kenny before the fight and Kenny goes outside and comes back inside accusing Jane of killing him without any proof. She doesn't tell Clementine to shoot him, she just asks Clementine for help, but since Clementine is on the ground bleeding, her only options are to shoot Kenny or not, the option to shoot Kenny(there are 2 different ones) is made by Clementine.
The definition of manipulation revokes that my Clementine was being manipulated, she wasn't cause I understood her game and intentions. Honestly, I'm surprised more people didn't see it coming.
how is it really Jane's fault when it could happen regardless?
As I said, she threatened Arvo for no reason before letting him go, w… morehich made him nervous. However, I should agree a bit because it's the most disappointing of the franchise.
Yeah Jane made the offer but Luke was the one who took up that offer, he knew he had a job to do but he chose not to do his job. She left AJ in a Car that was frozen on the outside, with no signs of Walkers near.
How so? What if the car had broken windows? Walkers are always everywhere because... teleporting walkers.
, AJ was protected and was warm enough not to cry for the entire time, if anything, AJ was warmer in the Car than she was outside
That's because he has a magic blanket which keeps him from freezing all the time
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Jane teaches her to kick a Walker in the knee, that's far different then using a weapon on the Walker's knee because in one instance you're using the weapon to create imbalance, in the other, you're using your own body to make the enemy unbalanced which gives you the opportunity to use your weapon to finish the job.
Yeah there are people who chose a different ending because they didn't like what Jane did, there were some who changed their endings because they didn't like Kenny's sugar-coated ending(that's what some people said about it) and some people changed their alone ending because they regretted Clementine and AJ being by themselves.
Urrgh how can anyone not like the Kenny endings? Well the one staying in Wellington at least! Even those that hate Kenny should like that ending because if they cared at all about Clementine's wellbeing, this was a truly decent thing to do. Just my opinion
Yeah there are people who chose a different ending because they didn't like what Jane did, there were some who changed their endings because… more they didn't like Kenny's sugar-coated ending(that's what some people said about it) and some people changed their alone ending because they regretted Clementine and AJ being by themselves.
The same reason people dislike Jane and the Alone Endings, opinions. One person might think the Kenny Ending is sweet and cry watching it, another one could cringe watching it, people perceive things differently, I cried in the Kenny Ending because it was sad seeing Clementine make a choice of either leaving Kenny for AJ's safety beyond unknown walls or taking AJ with her to stay with Kenny in the snow, in that ending, one could argue that it was sweet because Kenny was giving up the people he loved so that they could be in a better place, in another, one could argue that they dislike the Ending purely because it was forcefully emotional unlike the others, as in Clementine reacts the same regardless of her relationship with Kenny.
Urrgh how can anyone not like the Kenny endings? Well the one staying in Wellington at least! Even those that hate Kenny should like that en… moreding because if they cared at all about Clementine's wellbeing, this was a truly decent thing to do. Just my opinion
Im sure the show writers understand that but tv show fans have far less patience for things like that judging from the constant complaints of "boring" that I have seen over the years.
I didnt mean physical toughness, I meant character, fortitude, bravery. To me, its not the same idea, but thats fine. I didnt intend to get into an argument about it.
Well, I agree, but Im not a show producer thinking of ratings. They have a hard job because fanscan be so hard to please. I still think its a quality show. The game has a lottle more leeway so I think they could concentrate a bit more on developing relationships instead of killing the characters off. I wanted to see more of that struggle with survival and building community in season two, but we still have season three.
And I am almost 100% certain that they don't give a shit about good storytelling
We're talking about the guys that decided to fire Frank Darabont, the guys that underpay the actors, the guys that neutered the budget in the first few seasons
The only good thing they've really done is getting Glen Mazzara off of the show
In the case of the TV show, it's owned by AMC
And I am almost 100% certain that they don't give a shit about good storytelling
We're t… morealking about the guys that decided to fire Frank Darabont, the guys that underpay the actors, the guys that neutered the budget in the first few seasons
The only good thing they've really done is getting Glen Mazzara off of the show
Yes this was the big problem in season 2. It felt like none of our choices mattered and we weren't given the options to treat someone crap if we don't like them. Choices need to feel like they matter again like with the whole Kenny/Lilly thing from the first season
The same reason people dislike Jane and the Alone Endings, opinions. One person might think the Kenny Ending is sweet and cry watching it, a… morenother one could cringe watching it, people perceive things differently, I cried in the Kenny Ending because it was sad seeing Clementine make a choice of either leaving Kenny for AJ's safety beyond unknown walls or taking AJ with her to stay with Kenny in the snow, in that ending, one could argue that it was sweet because Kenny was giving up the people he loved so that they could be in a better place, in another, one could argue that they dislike the Ending purely because it was forcefully emotional unlike the others, as in Clementine reacts the same regardless of her relationship with Kenny.
They started to show that in Episode 1 with Rebecca, Alvin, Sarah, Carlos and Nick specifically but after that they practically stopped showing how choices can affect relationships, I wonder if the Writer/s just forgot or perhaps they chose not to integrate that anymore, despite it's importance.
Yes this was the big problem in season 2. It felt like none of our choices mattered and we weren't given the options to treat someone crap i… moref we don't like them. Choices need to feel like they matter again like with the whole Kenny/Lilly thing from the first season
Kenny. Jane has proven she will leave you behind. She left her sister, she left Sarah, she left the group, she left AJ. When the going gets tough she will abandon you.
If you cover for Luke and not listen to Bonnie in episode 5, she is hateful towards you in 1 scene near the end but that's the only real change in a character's treatment of you. No one else in the game will be negative towards Clem or whatever despite your choices. I was very annoyed how they just instantly changed Rebecca's personality in episode 2 from how horrible she was to Clem in episode 1. Even though there was a small convo where she apologised about it all, i didn't buy into that. Her whole character felt different from then onwards.
In season 3 i want to see another character you meet, and depending on a certain situation, if you choose to help him/her or not, he or she will treat you well or scold you for your choices. Or have a similar Lilly/Kenny thing where they force you to take sides but not like it was in Season 1.
Also do you find it annoying how in Season 2, almost every time it said ".....Will Remember That" and yet half the time he or she would never mention it again. Like if you tell Jane off for not trying to help Sarah in episode 4, it says she will remember that but yet never brings the convo up again. Are we supposed to just accept that she remembers and not discuss it in the future? Also if you listen to Rebecca's baby kick in episode 2 "Rebecca wlll remember that" but it's never referred back to again. And it was like this constantly so often in season 2. In season 1 almost every time a character "remembered" something, it was usually brought up again at some point, the writing was spot on, they put so much effort into it compared to S2. Just my opinion for anyone that disagrees but i still liked the second season
They started to show that in Episode 1 with Rebecca, Alvin, Sarah, Carlos and Nick specifically but after that they practically stopped show… moreing how choices can affect relationships, I wonder if the Writer/s just forgot or perhaps they chose not to integrate that anymore, despite it's importance.
Yes such an utter waste. I don't think the characters will be back because at the end of 400 Days, everyone but Bonnie is determinant on whether they go to the camp or not, plus imagine if they all came back, add them to Clementine and possibly other characters she meets, how would they all get screen time? To develop further? That's been the biggest problem from the tv show right now, too many characters, no development. I didn't care a damn when (SPOILERS) Deanna died in the S6 MSF, because i just didn't have any attachment to her. I think Telltale do better in making us feel attached to characters than on the tv show.
I mean look, I still have a lot of respect for the actual cast and crew of the show. They're doing what they can, making do with what they have (Greg Nicotero is a fucking guru when it comes to the special effects and make-up department, and Bear McCreary with the soundtrack is always good), and I still enjoy the show, but so much of the show's potential is hindered by the fact that it's owned fully by AMC
It also didn't help when they had Glen Mazarra as a showrunner, since he managed to mess up the prison arc (and S3 overall) something fierce
Scott Gimple has been doing a pretty great job with the past few seasons, though
I wish relationships mattered more in the apocalypse :x it feels like whenever there's a zombie game or movie etc. characters are really just there to hate or like the main character regardless, it gets tedious imo.
I agree, it would be nice to perhaps have feuds in the Howe's and Wellington/Kenny Endings, have Clementine find someone new in all 3 Endings and then pit that person up against either Kenny or Jane if one of them lived and you chose to go with them perhaps.
Most of the times I noticed "Will remember that" is right before a character dies.... unless we get a Dream Sequence, what's the point? After Nick/Sarah/Alvin/Bonnie die, their deaths are never brought up again, yet Clementine and Kenny reminisce about Lee... not the people they just lost recently. I still loved Season 2, I think perhaps more than Season 1 even but it was definitely sloppy in the remembering department, I also felt the Season was pretty short to be honest, I would've loved to get to know the characters more so I had more of a reason to like or dislike them.
If you cover for Luke and not listen to Bonnie in episode 5, she is hateful towards you in 1 scene near the end but that's the only real cha… morenge in a character's treatment of you. No one else in the game will be negative towards Clem or whatever despite your choices. I was very annoyed how they just instantly changed Rebecca's personality in episode 2 from how horrible she was to Clem in episode 1. Even though there was a small convo where she apologised about it all, i didn't buy into that. Her whole character felt different from then onwards.
In season 3 i want to see another character you meet, and depending on a certain situation, if you choose to help him/her or not, he or she will treat you well or scold you for your choices. Or have a similar Lilly/Kenny thing where they force you to take sides but not like it was in Season 1.
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I care when she died to be honest because she was a relatable character in my opinion(I'm not very bloodthirsty like allot of the group members xD) But I hope they incorporate 400 Days so far, otherwise 400 Days doesn't really do much for the game, it's more of a DLC to introduce Bonnie at this point, with the game it's easy to develop characters since it only takes one conversation with each character which is optional, in the TV Show, it's all scripted, Rick doesn't get to talk to everyone, especially since they center around 1 or a few characters per episode. I'd like to see more Episodes for characters like Tara, Heath and Father Gabriel, they're the only characters I really feel aren't getting enough screen time, they've been balancing it this Season pretty well I think.
Yes such an utter waste. I don't think the characters will be back because at the end of 400 Days, everyone but Bonnie is determinant on whe… morether they go to the camp or not, plus imagine if they all came back, add them to Clementine and possibly other characters she meets, how would they all get screen time? To develop further? That's been the biggest problem from the tv show right now, too many characters, no development. I didn't care a damn when (SPOILERS) Deanna died in the S6 MSF, because i just didn't have any attachment to her. I think Telltale do better in making us feel attached to characters than on the tv show.
Can we stop arguing? There is no right or wrong opinion from any Jane or Kenny fan. Although i agree with AronDracula on things about Jane. She didn't have to piss Kenny off to prove a point. She gave him a reason to get angry, he never trusted Jane, who questioned Rebecca in episode 4 "what are you going to do with the baby when it's born" implying that Rebecca should get rid of it. I don't think she ever wanted the baby around. In my opinion it was a messed up thing to do faking the baby's death and Clem's determinent reaction shows that. She wanted Clem to kill her friend so that she wouldn't be alone. In my opinion i think Jane felt as though Clem didn't want to leave Kenny and (sorry if this offends) this was her selfish way to get her point across for Clem to see it but as i said she didn't need to do it. She didn't even ask straight up "will you come with me Clem?". I also felt "in my opinion" that she was being manipulative to Clem. She kept constantly trying to turn Clem against Kenny not just during the final scene, comparing him to Carver which I strongly disagreed with. I didn't like Jane for insisting on leaving Sarah to die determinently twice, to give up on saving Luke trapped under the ice even though at the time he was still alive.
There are other reasons but i really don't want to cause an argument. We all have different opinions on Jane and Kenny and these views will never change. We should all respect everyone's opinions
Jane threatens Arvo so that he doesn't come back, so that he knows she won't just let him go the next time.
What if the car had a broken … morewindow? Well it doesn't, regardless of what ifs, the important thing is what is. And Walkers weren't seen anywhere near the car or Rest Stop, heck, there were only a few Walkers in the entire final chapter of Episode 5.
That blanket gave him warmth since it covered his entire body except his face, of course.
And when there's someone whose almost killed a Teenager with a disability to death in your group, you wouldn't think that someone would fear what could happen to the child or baby in your group if that person's anger got the best of him again. Jane put herself in danger, not Clementine, she did care about her own life, otherwise why would she ask help from Clementine but at the same time I can understand what you mean in a sense, she obviously wanted to show Clementine what Kenny was capable of … [view original content]
clearly you did not pay attention when she tells her story. she got issues, but se cares. its already been 2yrs and i'm over this discussion, but just because you think tht way, its not always the truth.
Kenny. Jane has proven she will leave you behind. She left her sister, she left Sarah, she left the group, she left AJ. When the going gets tough she will abandon you.
Learn to respect people's opinions. What you say isn't a fact either, plus Kennyftw didn't say she didn't care, he said she would abandon you and i agree. If her life was in danger i think she would leave her and AJ at the drop of a hat. She did it before and she would do it again. That's an opinion, my opinion
clearly you did not pay attention when she tells her story. she got issues, but se cares. its already been 2yrs and i'm over this discussion, but just because you think tht way, its not always the truth.
She didn't leave her sister the second things got tough, she tried and took with with her loads and loads, until one day it was impossible. I don't get where people get the idea she'll leave you the second it gets rough
Learn to respect people's opinions. What you say isn't a fact either, plus Kennyftw didn't say she didn't care, he said she would abandon yo… moreu and i agree. If her life was in danger i think she would leave her and AJ at the drop of a hat. She did it before and she would do it again. That's an opinion, my opinion
Clem is with Kenny. I actually liked Jane, but I couldn't justify staying with her at the end. Though she probably could protect Clem better, you never know.
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Wow, Hugo. You're mean. The answer is - alone. (But Ken's dead).
jane and the family (although i don't trust the dad)
Jane threatens Arvo so that he doesn't come back, so that he knows she won't just let him go the next time.
What if the car had a broken window? Well it doesn't, regardless of what ifs, the important thing is what is. And Walkers weren't seen anywhere near the car or Rest Stop, heck, there were only a few Walkers in the entire final chapter of Episode 5.
That blanket gave him warmth since it covered his entire body except his face, of course.
And when there's someone whose almost killed a Teenager with a disability to death in your group, you wouldn't think that someone would fear what could happen to the child or baby in your group if that person's anger got the best of him again. Jane put herself in danger, not Clementine, she did care about her own life, otherwise why would she ask help from Clementine but at the same time I can understand what you mean in a sense, she obviously wanted to show Clementine what Kenny was capable of even if it cost her her own life, which is probably why she didn't say AJ is alive. Jane said "I didn't kill him" to Kenny before the fight and Kenny goes outside and comes back inside accusing Jane of killing him without any proof. She doesn't tell Clementine to shoot him, she just asks Clementine for help, but since Clementine is on the ground bleeding, her only options are to shoot Kenny or not, the option to shoot Kenny(there are 2 different ones) is made by Clementine.
The definition of manipulation revokes that my Clementine was being manipulated, she wasn't cause I understood her game and intentions. Honestly, I'm surprised more people didn't see it coming.
With Jane
Jane teaches her to kick a Walker in the knee, that's far different then using a weapon on the Walker's knee because in one instance you're using the weapon to create imbalance, in the other, you're using your own body to make the enemy unbalanced which gives you the opportunity to use your weapon to finish the job.
I agree, I wished we would've had like a conversation with them at least.
Yeah there are people who chose a different ending because they didn't like what Jane did, there were some who changed their endings because they didn't like Kenny's sugar-coated ending(that's what some people said about it) and some people changed their alone ending because they regretted Clementine and AJ being by themselves.
The prisoners were so underutilized. They were so desperate to get to the governor
Its the same idea, shes not. Shes a child. Of course the guy is still a huge threat to her.
Urrgh how can anyone not like the Kenny endings? Well the one staying in Wellington at least! Even those that hate Kenny should like that ending because if they cared at all about Clementine's wellbeing, this was a truly decent thing to do. Just my opinion
The same reason people dislike Jane and the Alone Endings, opinions. One person might think the Kenny Ending is sweet and cry watching it, another one could cringe watching it, people perceive things differently, I cried in the Kenny Ending because it was sad seeing Clementine make a choice of either leaving Kenny for AJ's safety beyond unknown walls or taking AJ with her to stay with Kenny in the snow, in that ending, one could argue that it was sweet because Kenny was giving up the people he loved so that they could be in a better place, in another, one could argue that they dislike the Ending purely because it was forcefully emotional unlike the others, as in Clementine reacts the same regardless of her relationship with Kenny.
Im sure the show writers understand that but tv show fans have far less patience for things like that judging from the constant complaints of "boring" that I have seen over the years.
I didnt mean physical toughness, I meant character, fortitude, bravery. To me, its not the same idea, but thats fine. I didnt intend to get into an argument about it.
Well, I agree, but Im not a show producer thinking of ratings. They have a hard job because fanscan be so hard to please. I still think its a quality show. The game has a lottle more leeway so I think they could concentrate a bit more on developing relationships instead of killing the characters off. I wanted to see more of that struggle with survival and building community in season two, but we still have season three.
In the case of the TV show, it's owned by AMC
And I am almost 100% certain that they don't give a shit about good storytelling
We're talking about the guys that decided to fire Frank Darabont, the guys that underpay the actors, the guys that neutered the budget in the first few seasons
The only good thing they've really done is getting Glen Mazzara off of the show
Well, we're going to have to disagree there, on everything.
Yes this was the big problem in season 2. It felt like none of our choices mattered and we weren't given the options to treat someone crap if we don't like them. Choices need to feel like they matter again like with the whole Kenny/Lilly thing from the first season
No way
We're going to have a sternly worded, heated argument that goes nowhere, instead of putting aside our differences and agreeing to disagree
They started to show that in Episode 1 with Rebecca, Alvin, Sarah, Carlos and Nick specifically but after that they practically stopped showing how choices can affect relationships, I wonder if the Writer/s just forgot or perhaps they chose not to integrate that anymore, despite it's importance.
Hehe
This is the guy the police officer was talking about with Lee at the beginning of the game.
Kenny. Jane has proven she will leave you behind. She left her sister, she left Sarah, she left the group, she left AJ. When the going gets tough she will abandon you.
If you cover for Luke and not listen to Bonnie in episode 5, she is hateful towards you in 1 scene near the end but that's the only real change in a character's treatment of you. No one else in the game will be negative towards Clem or whatever despite your choices. I was very annoyed how they just instantly changed Rebecca's personality in episode 2 from how horrible she was to Clem in episode 1. Even though there was a small convo where she apologised about it all, i didn't buy into that. Her whole character felt different from then onwards.
In season 3 i want to see another character you meet, and depending on a certain situation, if you choose to help him/her or not, he or she will treat you well or scold you for your choices. Or have a similar Lilly/Kenny thing where they force you to take sides but not like it was in Season 1.
Also do you find it annoying how in Season 2, almost every time it said ".....Will Remember That" and yet half the time he or she would never mention it again. Like if you tell Jane off for not trying to help Sarah in episode 4, it says she will remember that but yet never brings the convo up again. Are we supposed to just accept that she remembers and not discuss it in the future? Also if you listen to Rebecca's baby kick in episode 2 "Rebecca wlll remember that" but it's never referred back to again. And it was like this constantly so often in season 2. In season 1 almost every time a character "remembered" something, it was usually brought up again at some point, the writing was spot on, they put so much effort into it compared to S2. Just my opinion for anyone that disagrees but i still liked the second season
I agree with Deltino
I loved the first 2 seasons of the tv show and after Frank Darabont was fired it's not felt the same since storywise.
Yes such an utter waste. I don't think the characters will be back because at the end of 400 Days, everyone but Bonnie is determinant on whether they go to the camp or not, plus imagine if they all came back, add them to Clementine and possibly other characters she meets, how would they all get screen time? To develop further? That's been the biggest problem from the tv show right now, too many characters, no development. I didn't care a damn when (SPOILERS) Deanna died in the S6 MSF, because i just didn't have any attachment to her. I think Telltale do better in making us feel attached to characters than on the tv show.
I mean look, I still have a lot of respect for the actual cast and crew of the show. They're doing what they can, making do with what they have (Greg Nicotero is a fucking guru when it comes to the special effects and make-up department, and Bear McCreary with the soundtrack is always good), and I still enjoy the show, but so much of the show's potential is hindered by the fact that it's owned fully by AMC
It also didn't help when they had Glen Mazarra as a showrunner, since he managed to mess up the prison arc (and S3 overall) something fierce
Scott Gimple has been doing a pretty great job with the past few seasons, though
I'm only with Aj.
I wish relationships mattered more in the apocalypse :x it feels like whenever there's a zombie game or movie etc. characters are really just there to hate or like the main character regardless, it gets tedious imo.
I agree, it would be nice to perhaps have feuds in the Howe's and Wellington/Kenny Endings, have Clementine find someone new in all 3 Endings and then pit that person up against either Kenny or Jane if one of them lived and you chose to go with them perhaps.
Most of the times I noticed "Will remember that" is right before a character dies.... unless we get a Dream Sequence, what's the point? After Nick/Sarah/Alvin/Bonnie die, their deaths are never brought up again, yet Clementine and Kenny reminisce about Lee... not the people they just lost recently. I still loved Season 2, I think perhaps more than Season 1 even but it was definitely sloppy in the remembering department, I also felt the Season was pretty short to be honest, I would've loved to get to know the characters more so I had more of a reason to like or dislike them.
I care when she died to be honest because she was a relatable character in my opinion(I'm not very bloodthirsty like allot of the group members xD) But I hope they incorporate 400 Days so far, otherwise 400 Days doesn't really do much for the game, it's more of a DLC to introduce Bonnie at this point, with the game it's easy to develop characters since it only takes one conversation with each character which is optional, in the TV Show, it's all scripted, Rick doesn't get to talk to everyone, especially since they center around 1 or a few characters per episode. I'd like to see more Episodes for characters like Tara, Heath and Father Gabriel, they're the only characters I really feel aren't getting enough screen time, they've been balancing it this Season pretty well I think.
Can we stop arguing? There is no right or wrong opinion from any Jane or Kenny fan. Although i agree with AronDracula on things about Jane. She didn't have to piss Kenny off to prove a point. She gave him a reason to get angry, he never trusted Jane, who questioned Rebecca in episode 4 "what are you going to do with the baby when it's born" implying that Rebecca should get rid of it. I don't think she ever wanted the baby around. In my opinion it was a messed up thing to do faking the baby's death and Clem's determinent reaction shows that. She wanted Clem to kill her friend so that she wouldn't be alone. In my opinion i think Jane felt as though Clem didn't want to leave Kenny and (sorry if this offends) this was her selfish way to get her point across for Clem to see it but as i said she didn't need to do it. She didn't even ask straight up "will you come with me Clem?". I also felt "in my opinion" that she was being manipulative to Clem. She kept constantly trying to turn Clem against Kenny not just during the final scene, comparing him to Carver which I strongly disagreed with. I didn't like Jane for insisting on leaving Sarah to die determinently twice, to give up on saving Luke trapped under the ice even though at the time he was still alive.
There are other reasons but i really don't want to cause an argument. We all have different opinions on Jane and Kenny and these views will never change. We should all respect everyone's opinions
Jane and AJ
jane and the family.
clearly you did not pay attention when she tells her story. she got issues, but se cares. its already been 2yrs and i'm over this discussion, but just because you think tht way, its not always the truth.
Clem is still in Wellington with AJ.
With Kenny or Alone. Can't choose between keeping a friend or saving a life.
Learn to respect people's opinions. What you say isn't a fact either, plus Kennyftw didn't say she didn't care, he said she would abandon you and i agree. If her life was in danger i think she would leave her and AJ at the drop of a hat. She did it before and she would do it again. That's an opinion, my opinion
I stayed with Jane and then told the family to GTFO.
She didn't leave her sister the second things got tough, she tried and took with with her loads and loads, until one day it was impossible. I don't get where people get the idea she'll leave you the second it gets rough
Jane and the famooly
Clem is with Kenny. I actually liked Jane, but I couldn't justify staying with her at the end. Though she probably could protect Clem better, you never know.