Choose your poison
You know there has been a lot of debates about who is right. Kenny, or Jane? I think the most likely truth is that they would both turn out bad in the end based on how they have been written. You really have to choose which you prefer. I would describe them as the scorpion, and the snake.
Kenny is the scorpion. You know his nature. He's volatile, and most dangerous when he's angry. If he is going to make a bad decision, or turn against you, you will see it coming. He doesn't hide it. Kenny has shown several times that he's willing to die if it means protecting someone he loves.
I'd describe Jane as the snake. She's less volatile, but very dangerous. Unlike Kenny she's very subtle, and if she turns on you, you won't see it coming. She tricked the guy who she shot in the balls, and left to be eaten. She tricked Kenny with the baby at the end to create a confrontation. Also she slept with Luke, and didn't really show any emotion when he died. The conclusion I came to is that it's possible she saw him as the strongest ally for going against Kenny when the time was right. It's just an opinion, but one I think is possible based on other things she has done. Also she will put herself ahead of others. She did it with her sister, and with Sarah, and sounded that way with the baby. If things go south, she'd probably drop Clementine.
So at the end of the day chances are Clementine would have to leave both of these people behind. That being said if I had to pick my poison, it would be Kenny because I'd see it coming while with Jane it would be a surprise, and at the worst possible moment.
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Sorry mate but I wouldn't consider Kenny poison or a scorpion. Like I have said before: Sure, Kenny has made some poor decisions and has some flaws but there is a good man deep within him, we just don't get to see that so clearly because he always loses the people he loves (Katjaa, Duck, Sarita) he was a family man and would do anything to protect the people he loved. Deep down he is a good man and cares deeply about Clementine and wants the best for her.
Everyone in the apocalypse has lost people they love and not all of them are as cruel as Kenny. That does not defend it.
I think saying you always see Kenny's cruelty coming is a bit excessive. He turns on Lee in, say, the beginning of episode 3 if you try to stop Kenny killing Larry, by leaving him to die under a door, having been helping him minutes before. Saying Kenny is predictable is..bizarre considering his mood swings.
Not that we need ANOTHER kenny vs jane thread.
Does a Scorpion show loyalty when being good with it?
Jane just doesn't like Kenny and tried to prove a point. I'd just make her some sort of fox than a snake because the true snakes are Bonnie and Mike.
We all cope with loss differently I guess, like the cop said in the beginning "People will often go mad when they think their life is over" Kenny's family was his life.
True.
I'd say Bonnie, and Mike did exactly what Jane is capable of. The difference is she will usually make sure you can never get back at her...... ever.
Sure we do.... until the next game...
Well damn. What I don't get is why would she even come back when she just left the group? It's inconsistent for me.
Jane - because I like Jane.
To further Chris' point: Kenny even tried saving Ben after wanting him dead an episode earlier. I wouldn't have done that.
Agreed. Kenny is not predictable. He's a loose cannon. With how broken he's become, anything could set him off, and it has.
Kenny, I think, is a good man. Unfortunately, he tried to kill Jane. And even this far into the apocalypse, I still can't let someone kill another. What Jane did with the baby was pretty uncool, but Kenny was attacking her, and so in every situation I'd choose Jane.
NEITHER
Or convinced Lee to leave him for dead. Both outcomes are canon.
These people have been more than two years into this apocalypse, and she has been on her own for a couple of months now. She was with a group near Washigton DC, and every single one of them died. Her sister died. She has witnessed death all around her, and she became aloof. Who can really blame her? It's a defense mechanism.
She didn't do it with Jamie. The two of them were cornered on a room with a skylight, and Jamie wasn't willing to escape. Jane herself says that she "couldn't throw her" up and through the hole on the roof, or convince her to get up; so it came down to Jane deciding to leave and save her life, instead of dying together with her sister.
Later, Jane, Luke and Clem get into a suspiciously similar situation (frowns at Telltale). Jane possibly started having flashbacks right there, and it seems like Sarah just can't be saved. Were they wrong to leave Sarah and save their own lives? It's debatable (I convinced Jane to save her, though).
That's a likely outcome, as Telltale needs them aside to advance the plot.
Edit: Added a couple of words.
Poisin Clementine, heh I guess it's in their nature...
Anyway, both seem to want what's best for Clem, even if they do it in the most radical way possible. To compare them to animals dosn't do them justice, considering they can be capable of doing good things even if it goes unnoticed here.
I think I also like Kenny because of the nostalgia from the first game. He's basically the last character that was in season 2.
We have also seen him stay behind to stay with someone (Ben) at the risk of his own life. Jane runs out. If I had to pick someone to back me up, it would be Kenny.
Most people's families are their life.
And we do cope with loss differently, but if you cope with loss by being violent and cruel, that is not a defence.
Actually how has Kenny been violent, and cruel to people who haven't tried to kill him? Yelling doesn't count. I have been yelled at and it's not like "oh my gosh this is so horrible"... It sucks at the time but not like a huge deal. Anyone who can't stand being yelled at would die very quickly in a zombie filled world.
The scenario is a little different though, @Kennyftw, as they are constantly surrounded by corpses that want to kill them, and other humans who want their supplies. People are going to be edgy, and it's completely understandable, so being yelled at by your supposed allies can be all that it takes to make you snap.
Kenny was the reason for the group have fallen. the man was broken and was going nuclear with everyone who tried to put some sense into him. Mike and Bonnie left the group because they knew that Wellington was a complete shot in the dark (and also by the fact that Luke died, the leader in whom they really trusted)
Jane knew it too and was trying to show Clem this situation before it was too late. she had a good plan, a plan that everyone knew where it was and had supplies for everyone, including AJ: Howe's Hardware.
For me Jane has never been a snake, I suppose I could define her as: the voice of reason. while Kenny was closer to: the voice of madness.
In terms of sleeping with Luke, she shows emotions for Luke after he dies, I remember her crying when Clementine told her that Luke might have felt the same way about her, showing no emotion is not the same as not caring about someone, there's a difference between feelings and expressions and even if she didn't, remember that she doesn't have to, it's the Apocalypse and both Jane and Luke wanted to take their mind off the world they're in right now and if she doesn't want to show the others how she feels about Luke, she has the right to keep it secret.
I don't think Jane saw Luke as the strongest ally to go against Kenny, remember she didn't have anything against Kenny at that point in time - in fact, she had barely interacted with Kenny. I doubt she'd save Kenny from Vitali if she wanted to take him out, she could've just waited a few more seconds for Vitali to kill Kenny and then for her to kill Vitali, killing two birds with one stone. Plus she's the only person who really tries to push Clementine into trying to take care of Kenny in Episode 5 but then develops doubts when he starts to physically abuse Arvo.
She didn't put herself above her sister, remember she carried her sister through multiple states and even dragged her when she didn't want to try and survive, they were on a roof and Walkers were coming, can you blame Jane if she couldn't save Jaime who showed signs of not wanting to live whilst Jane wanted to survive, should Jane just have let herself die because Jaime wanted herself to die? I don't think that's very fair on Jane, if she couldn't throw or convince Jaime to jump or didn't want to throw in fears of her falling to her death, it's reasonable that Jane gave Jaime the fate she wanted whilst also getting to live which is what Jane wanted, to be honest it's pretty controversial, since you could blame Jane for trying to save Jaime if she didn't want to be saved. Also, I should add that Jane said she never looked back and she never mentions hearing Jaime scream, indicating that it's possible that Jaime is still alive.
As for Sarah, Jane says that Sarah can't be saved comparing her to Jaime who Jane couldn't save, but in the end it's up to Clementine whether Sarah is saved at the Trailer Park and if Clementine saves Sarah, Jane stays behind and helps Sarah escape, almost getting grabbed herself, pretty much risking her life for someone she barely knew and hasn't actually spoken to directly. Later on she goes to say that Sarah can't be saved and she was right but I blame that on the writers for her illogical second death in the same episode she became determinant -_- Anyways... later on at the Observation Deck, Jane is the only one who will try to save Sarah, she does this if Clementine asks twice or if she stays silent, Jane will jump down on her own, Mike and Bonnie will help only if Jane tries to help but they each just use one bullet, there weren't that many Walkers and they just stood there... if anything I blame Sarah's second death on the writers and perhaps on Mike and Bonnie well a bit more Luke and Clementine who stayed on the deck doing crud all, sorry but it's kind of the truth.
As for AJ, Jane shows some liking towards AJ, if she didn't like AJ and tried to put herself over him, she would've just abandoned him in the blizzard, she'd have less of a hard time wandering through a snow storm and risking the attention of Walkers thanks to a baby crying after all and she could've just as easily left AJ in the blizzard to die and claim that she lost AJ in the snowstorm but nope, she decides to initiate a pretty stupid plan(in my opinion) but decides to keep AJ alive and protected in a car where he'll probably feel less cold due to not being in a snowstorm and be more protected since no Walkers were near, plus any danger that came to AJ would've been pretty easily spotted from the Pit Stop don't you think?
She's always had reasons for putting herself above others and in the Apocalypse, sometimes people need to do that to survive, you hadn't mentioned how Kenny put himself or his family above others so I feel this post is pretty biased.
Or maybe it could be as simple as you love them both but you can only choose one. Or just be alone if you hate them both that much.
@Kennyftw I was thinking the same.
I don't see the final choice as picking one over the other.
It's not about being the judge, jury and executioner. Clem isn't sitting there in the snow, bleeding from her wound and tallying up karma points for each character to determine who the bad guy needing to be punished is. I find it a little disappointing that so many people argue about the scenario from that perspective, even though the entirety of the series is about how there aren't really good guys or bad guys in the ZA, just sad or angry people who screw up.
Clem shoots Kenny in desperation at the last possible second, trying to stop the fight because she can't bear to watch someone she cares about murder someone else she cares about (or she doesn't shoot because she can't bear to pull the trigger on someone she cares about). She isn't thinking about who she has a better chance with, or who is more likely to abandon her, or who's right or wrong, or whether she prefers beards to pixie cuts. She just wants them to f***ing stop. That was the whole point of her Lee dream.
The tragedy is that poor Clem loses no matter what you choose to do. She's spends the entirety of the story trying to get everyone to play nice, to see each others' perspective and work together but "nobody ever listens to [her]" and things end in tears.
Anyway, I disagree with your assessment of both characters. I thought it was pretty clear that Clementine can trust either one of them. Both Kenny and Jane are willing to take the metaphorical bullet for her, since she represents redemption for both of them. They just unfortunately can't get along with each other despite both caring about Clem. They both think they're doing what's best by trying to get rid of the other, forgetting that all Clem wants is for everyone to stick together.
Also, I thought it was pretty clear Jane genuinely liked Luke, but wanted to keep things as superficial as possible for fear of Luke... well, dying.
I couldn't agree more.
Neither, because both of them suck.
As much as I like Kenny as a character, he would've eventually gotten Clementine killed because of his unraveling mental stability.
no
pls
don't do this
don't bring up kenny and jane together in a thread
dO N O T
That was beautifully worded.
Opinions. That's all there is too it.
Gotta go with Jane. Plus, snakes are cool.
I don't think Snakes and Scorpions suck, you're thinking of Mosquitos.